What is Frank Doing!?

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I keep getting these e-mails from Frank Kern where he tells you about a highly confidential webinar where he is going to reveal some big secrets or whatever. I call BS, besides the only time secrets, tips, insider info etc will help is if you already have a steady business(doesn't seem to me like the people on FK's list)

The interesting part to me is seeing HOW he is marketing his webinar. After entering your e-mail here you are supposed to sign an NDA and fax it or e-mail it to his office... Also I think an NDA in this situation would be almost impossible to enforce. Sounds like marketing hype to me.

What do you think is the strategy behind this? How many people will actually go through the effort to do that? Maybe they'll be really convinced by the time they get to the webinar because they've gone through so much effort, signed an NDA etc.

Thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
    Originally Posted by theoneinventor View Post

    Thoughts?
    Andrew, it sounds like you've summed it up pretty well. Watching the process is probably 90% of what you'll gain going through Frank's circus.

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    • I was really impressed the first time an entity asked me to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement. Much less so on subsequent occasions.

      Perhaps 66% of marketing is playing on the perceptions of people who don't know any better.

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      • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
        Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

        I was really impressed the first time an entity asked me to sign a Non-Disclosure Agreement. Much less so on subsequent occasions.

        Perhaps 66% of marketing is playing on the perceptions of people who don't know any better.

        fLufF
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        I would say as high as 90% ^ (unfortunately)

        It's all about creating VALUE whether it is actually VALUABLE or not - you only have to look at the tat that is sold on the shopping channels.

        It starts off at a bargain price of $89 and goes right down to $19!

        I think that is what Frank is doing here...

        If you think "Damm this MUST be super secret stuff" and sign the non-disclosure you are joining the pantomime of marketing.

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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    Anytime you're intrigued by a marketer, create a new folder in your Inbox and set up a filter that saves every message to said inbox.

    After a week or month or year, you'll have one heck of a swipe file and online followup marketing education!

    I've been doing that now since my after Rich Hermit days (2006) and this idea keeps delivering big.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Originally Posted by theoneinventor View Post


    What do you think is the strategy behind this?
    To do exactly what you're doing now - creating a buzz and getting people to talk about his new product/service/widget and visit his website.

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      Perhaps somewhat similar to when you are on a webinar and the speaker asks you to type something into the little box, signing an NDA is a way of getting the reader or listener to engage.

      Once you do engage, it creates a sense of reciprocity on your part and the somewhat unconscious internal belief that tsince you have already put some time into this, a littel more is not going to hurt you any.

      Getting engagement is a very powerful marketing strategy.

      You see this on FAcebook sometimes where your friends post something like,
      "I can't believe the nerve of some people to DO THIS TO ME!!!"

      but they don't say what happened, so in order to find out what happened, you have to engage with them and ask.

      Pretty powerful stuff.
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
        Originally Posted by JMichaelZ View Post

        You see this on FAcebook sometimes where your friends post something like,
        "I can't believe the nerve of some people to DO THIS TO ME!!!"

        but they don't say what happened, so in order to find out what happened, you have to engage with them and ask.

        Pretty powerful stuff.
        I think it sounds like you need to dump some of your Facebook "Friends".
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        • Profile picture of the author Harlan
          When I worked with Frank for his Serializer seminar, everyone had to sign an NDA.

          Plus I had Frank bring in a lawyer to explain the NDA at the beginning of the seminar and tell the folks what would happen if they broke the NDA.

          My favorite line of the copy, "your lawyers will need lawyers if you break this agreement."

          There's some great marketing going on there but I assure you, people are not cross checking to see if you submitted your NDA.

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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    the webinar was good, the offer was great and I am sure he made a small fortune with them.

    Frank's info has made me more money than any other info product combined. Anyone should listen and do everything he says. he's the only person I follow so heavily, but I am glad I do.
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    • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
      Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

      the webinar was good, the offer was great and I am sure he made a small fortune with them.

      Frank's info has made me more money than any other info product combined. Anyone should listen and do everything he says. he's the only person I follow so heavily, but I am glad I do.
      Sure and a newb will make $10,000 in under 30 days by buying your product.
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    • Profile picture of the author jan roos
      Originally Posted by nicholasb View Post

      the webinar was good, the offer was great and I am sure he made a small fortune with them.

      Frank's info has made me more money than any other info product combined. Anyone should listen and do everything he says. he's the only person I follow so heavily, but I am glad I do.
      I agree. Frank is an amazing marketer and I watch what he does and also read his free stuff which is so good that I now feel guilty for never buying anything from him. Maybe if he didn't charge 2K plus for his stuff I would.

      Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Miranda
    Some of his marketing methods are a little off the wall but I think that is was it takes these days to make yourself stand out. Whatever Frank is doing obvisouly is effective to a great mass of people as we cannot disagree with his success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pierce
    Regardless of what you think of him, what he does obviously works. Implement what you like, discard the rest. Personally I am a huge Frank Kern fan and have made a lot of money doing what I have learned from him and yeah creating buzz is a major part of what he does.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lilach
    I find Frank Kern fascinating. He clearly is a successful marketer who is earning crazy money. He likes to things differently, the Kajabi launch caused loads of talk - he had 60 minute sales videos which is pretty unheard of.

    I must admit, whilst he's a highly successful marketer, I don't get why people buy into it. His products are not the best, not the cheapest and yet he takes money from people like candy....
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    • Profile picture of the author WikiWarrior
      I figured the NDA thing was hype but it did make me want to join in to see what he was up to. Unfortunately I don't have a fax machine for another few weeks so I missed it.
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      I think you just answered your second paragraph with your first paragraph.

      The key with Frank is that he does have a devoted following. His Mind Control was awesome, and once again, he is doing what he teaches.

      People on here can say "oh yeah, he doesn't fool me", but I'd say that they are not his customers and he doesn't really care about them.

      The reason people pay so much? well his latest stunt creates what I believe to be the ultimate exclusivity in a product.

      The Kernites of this world have most likely used his stuff and made money from it, so why wouldn't they buy again?

      The rest may have purchased once and are now just part of the churn.

      Originally Posted by Lilach View Post

      I find Frank Kern fascinating. He clearly is a successful marketer who is earning crazy money. He likes to things differently, the Kajabi launch caused loads of talk - he had 60 minute sales videos which is pretty unheard of.

      I must admit, whilst he's a highly successful marketer, I don't get why people buy into it. His products are not the best, not the cheapest and yet he takes money from people like candy....
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  • Profile picture of the author marcuslim
    Ya, you learn heaps just from the way he markets himself and his products. A lot of what he does comes straight out from Cialdini's classic book on persuasion - Influence, a book he himself acknowledges to have read. All the weapons of persuasion are on display -

    Reciprocity? Tick. He gives away high quality info.

    Social proof? Tick.

    Liking? Tick. Everyone loves Frank Kern.

    Authority? Tick. Everything he does, he does with the intention of building up that brand, that authority image of 'IM guru who loves to surf and goof off'.

    Commitment and consistency? Tick (this is the NDA tactic - when you have COMMITTED yourself to it, you are more likely to then be CONSISTENT with your course of action).

    Scarcity? Tick. Of course it's limited to just 150 people =p

    Truly a master marketer at work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lilach
      @marcuslim - Liking - everyone loves Frank Kern - no they don't! He may be very good at marketing and thinking outside the box. He's also consistent in his marketing methods. BUT Frank is like marmite, you either love him or hate him.
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      • Profile picture of the author marcuslim
        Originally Posted by Lilach View Post

        @marcuslim - Liking - everyone loves Frank Kern - no they don't! He may be very good at marketing and thinking outside the box. He's also consistent in his marketing methods. BUT Frank is like marmite, you either love him or hate him.
        That's true, but that's the point too. He only cares about reaching those who DO like him and his image. All others are not in his 'target market' anyway. Which allows him to be even more targeted in his message and his appeal.
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    I never bought any of these self proclaimed gurus methods and I am making a full time income. These guys are feeding of newbs with too much money, that is all there is too it.
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  • Profile picture of the author RAMarketing
    There are only 2 reasons.

    1. To create this thread (people talking about it)
    2. He actually doesn't want it disclosed, easily enforce with Google Alerts to something similar.

    I think it's BS, personally.
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  • Profile picture of the author nm5419
    ?? Is this the same Frank Kern that got in trouble with the FTC for internet scams ?? If so, it might be why he's requesting NDAs. It's a definite way to minimize witnesses. LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by nm5419 View Post

      ?? Is this the same Frank Kern that got in trouble with the FTC for internet scams ?? If so, it might be why he's requesting NDAs. It's a definite way to minimize witnesses. LOL
      I tell you there's no intelligent life on this planet.
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      • Profile picture of the author nm5419
        Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

        I tell you there's no intelligent life on this planet.
        Hmm... is/was that Frank's USP?
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        • Profile picture of the author Ben Armstrong
          I'm happy to say I barely even know who Frank Kern is. I've heard his name mentioned a million times but I couldn't tell you what he looks like or what he does, and that's the way I like it.

          Anyone who wants to be make serious money on the internet eventually has to reach the point where they realize there's so much more to gain by leading, than there is by following.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Maschke
        Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

        I tell you there's no intelligent life on this planet.
        Is that a presupposition or an embedded command?
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          What's your guess at the price of this course, presupposing you are qualified to buy? somewhere around $12,000?
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      • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
        Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

        I tell you there's no intelligent life on this planet.
        Sure there is, but as no-one has successfully learned Dolphin yet we can't talk to them. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author apolwar
    Originally Posted by theoneinventor View Post

    I keep getting these e-mails from Frank Kern where he tells you about a highly confidential webinar where he is going to reveal some big secrets or whatever. I call BS, besides the only time secrets, tips, insider info etc will help is if you already have a steady business(doesn't seem to me like the people on FK's list)

    The interesting part to me is seeing HOW he is marketing his webinar. After entering your e-mail here you are supposed to sign an NDA and fax it or e-mail it to his office... Also I think an NDA in this situation would be almost impossible to enforce. Sounds like marketing hype to me.

    What do you think is the strategy behind this? How many people will actually go through the effort to do that? Maybe they'll be really convinced by the time they get to the webinar because they've gone through so much effort, signed an NDA etc.

    Thoughts?
    I went to the site and
    NOTE: Due to the sensitive (and controversial) nature of what you will discover, a non-disclosure agreement is required.
    I'm afraid of what that non-disclosure agreement is. Especially coming from someone I do not know much about.
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    • Profile picture of the author nm5419
      Originally Posted by apolwar View Post

      I went to the site and I'm afraid of what that non-disclosure agreement is. Especially coming from someone i do not know much about.
      People should also be extremely careful about handing over a signature to a complete stranger online. That's as bad as handing over a credit card number or social security number!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I tell you there's no intelligent life on this planet.
        Reading this thread, I'm inclined to agree:p
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by theoneinventor View Post

    What do you think is the strategy behind this?
    "IT'S ALL ABOUT THAT SMALL POCKET OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HIGHLY INTERESTED."

    - Frank Kern, 2006
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    • Profile picture of the author scraig
      You can be sure that whatever Kern is doing is well tested. Using a NDA is most likely a marketing trick to make you think you are getting something special. I'll about guarantee in the end there will be a $1995 price tag attached to something he is selling.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
        He could be doing it just to get a more qualified prospect. Instead of just clicking a link, maybe the extra step is enough to separate people that are actually interested.

        For me, it's kind of an eye-roller personally. Same with having a lawyer get up at a conference. But, I'm not really a frank kern customer/prospect. I think his ideal customer/prospect comes in kind of enamored with the lifestyle they think he leads...surfing, california, little work, and not a care in the world.
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  • Profile picture of the author dm101
    It might be that he's not looking for volume as much as quality in the customer list he acquires with this method. Especially if the end-product is high-end.
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    Guess retirement does't pay the bills.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
      Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

      Guess retirement does't pay the bills.
      Ha. I think John Reese's emails are a little better. He announced that he was getting outta the IM business, with the exception of "some limited
      teaching/coaching via this email newsletter".

      Since then, I've gotten about 50 emails from him...I don't think any contain any teaching or coaching. Unless you consider pitching products, "teaching".

      Personally, I don't really care if you want to pitch products. It's my choice whether or not to stay signed up, but come on. Quit making bold claims.
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  • They make all their money duping people into buying whatever they are pitching. It's a festival for Idiots... same old same old.
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  • If anything, Frank's marketing is entertaining which lifts it above a lot of marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpa
    Yeah, as alot of people said allready, I think You summed it up pretty well there.

    I believe he is just using the NDA to:

    - Provide the campaign with even MORE hype.(we never get tired of the good ol' hype, do we?)

    - As You said, the conversion rate probably goes up alot since people going through the process of sending in papers and stuff allready "went in the trap without knowing it" In other words, I think people are affected with things like ( they allready done these things, sending in papers so they might as well go all the way?)

    - The NDA makes the whole shabang fell more exclusive, but that goes right in under the subject: HYPE. Don't it?

    This is what I think

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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I must admit, whilst he's a highly successful marketer, I don't get why people buy into it. His products are not the best, not the cheapest and yet he takes money from people like candy....
    It's called positioning. Like him or not, he is a master of this principle.

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    • Profile picture of the author Raydal
      You know there are two Internet marketers that I have high respect
      for the way they stick to the fundamentals and they are Frank Kern
      and Yanik Silver.

      Yanik talks a lot about how he has Dan Kennedy's Ultimate Sale Letter
      book all marked up. His sales letters use the principles stated there
      and they work for him.

      Frank also uses principles that are available in popular copywriting
      and marketing books (Cialdini's Persuasion for example) but he is
      a genius at repackaging these principles and selling them for high
      prices. Somehow he knows how to make them sexy and make
      himself look smart--which is smart.

      Love him or hate him he has the results to prove that what
      he is doing works.

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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Farnham
        Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

        Frank also uses principles that are available in popular copywriting and marketing books (Cialdini's Persuasion for example but he is a genius at repackaging these principles and selling them for high prices. Somehow he knows how to make them sexy and make himself look smart--which is smart.

        Love him or hate him he has the results to prove that what he is doing works.
        Works for him, or works for his customers?

        I think one of the distinctions that should be made for people who sell Making Money products is whether or not their customer base on the average makes money applying what they've paid money for.

        And I'm not just talking about them making money off selling more making money products. That's a clusterf#ck loop. What I'm referring to is taking the methods taught and using them to makes sales outside of the MMO niche.

        Like it or not, there is a higher level of value for value exchange in niches outside the MMO niche. Which is one of the reasons why the MMO niche is so tiny compared to online commerce in general.

        Statements like, "repackaging these principles and selling them for high prices" smacks of a one sided exchange where to much of the value for your bucks is exchanged for air.

        Now, if a verifibly true statement was made that "Marketer ABC's customers have produced more sales volume in their respective markets for the money invested in their courses than 90% of all other teachers" than that would be something that would distinguish them as a teacher.

        Moreso in my opinion than "Marketer ABC also uses principles that are available in popular copywriting and marketing books (Cialdini's Persuasion for example) but he is a genius at repackaging these principles and selling them for high prices. Somehow he knows how to make them sexy and make himself look smart--which is smart."

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        • Profile picture of the author Raydal
          Originally Posted by Bill Farnham View Post

          Works for him, or works for his customers?

          I think one of the distinctions that should be made for people who sell Making Money products is whether or not their customer base on the average makes money applying what they've paid money for.

          And I'm not just talking about them making money off selling more making money products. That's a clusterf#ck loop. What I'm referring to is taking the methods taught and using them to makes sales outside of the MMO niche.

          Like it or not, there is a higher level of value for value exchange in niches outside the MMO niche. Which is one of the reasons why the MMO niche is so tiny compared to online commerce in general.

          Statements like, "repackaging these principles and selling them for high prices" smacks of a one sided exchange where to much of the value for your bucks is exchanged for air.

          Now, if a verifibly true statement was made that "Marketer ABC's customers have produced more sales volume in their respective markets for the money invested in their courses than 90% of all other teachers" than that would be something that would distinguish them as a teacher.

          Moreso in my opinion than "Marketer ABC also uses principles that are available in popular copywriting and marketing books (Cialdini's Persuasion for example) but he is a genius at repackaging these principles and selling them for high prices. Somehow he knows how to make them sexy and make himself look smart--which is smart."

          ~Bill
          I see your point but how many products that are sold online
          are really original? How many marketing products really teach
          anything new?

          But even marketing ideas need to be sold and he is good at
          selling them. Many of his students claim that they apply
          "his" principles and make a ton of money outside of MMO niche.

          I'm not defending Frank one way or the other but I have to
          respect the way he adds perceived value to some readily
          available marketing ideas and strategies.

          Requiring the NDA simply filters his prospects and again adds
          perceived value to his seminar--not to talk about this very
          discussion that gives him more exposure.

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          • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
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          • Profile picture of the author virtualprincipal
            Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

            I see your point but how many products that are sold online
            are really original? How many marketing products really teach
            anything new?

            But even marketing ideas need to be sold and he is good at
            selling them. Many of his students claim that they apply
            "his" principles and make a ton of money outside of MMO niche.

            I'm not defending Frank one way or the other but I have to
            respect the way he adds perceived value to some readily
            available marketing ideas and strategies.

            Requiring the NDA simply filters his prospects and again adds
            perceived value to his seminar--not to talk about this very
            discussion that gives him more exposure.

            -Ray Edwards
            Adding value to some readily available marketing ideas and strategies? Sorta like a used car salesman then? What positive things has Frank Kern ever given the world? People need to quit looking for the key to using hype and deception to make money and make the world a better place. The money will come.....
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      • Profile picture of the author Harlan
        Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

        Frank also uses principles that are available in popular copywriting
        and marketing books (Cialdini's Persuasion for example) but he is
        a genius at repackaging these principles and selling them for high
        prices. Somehow he knows how to make them sexy and make
        himself look smart--which is smart.

        -Ray Edwards
        You think Frank reads? The only thing he reads are his stats in the morning and the labels of the beer he drinks.

        That's it.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

          My favorite line of the copy, "your lawyers will need lawyers if you break this agreement."

          Peace.
          I love it - "your lawyers will need lawyers..."

          On a side note, Harlan, I just looked at the keyword you used for a demo (on a recent webinar), and it had five of the top ten organic results. Impressive...
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        • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
          Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

          You think Frank reads? The only thing he reads are his stats in the morning and the labels of the beer he drinks.

          That's it.
          That sir- is good enough read for the day if you ask me. Beer and paper- perfect combo!

          I believe that while everyone is giving points on each side of of the argument- I am just going to put that email to my swipe mail and test it out for a non IM niche soon. IMHO, its cool marketing technique- and that is it
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        • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
          Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

          You think Frank reads? The only thing he reads are his stats in the morning and the labels of the beer he drinks.

          That's it.
          Harlan!

          Long time no speak! Remember me? We spoke about NLP a few years back...

          Anyway it's good to see your still active on the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author JennSpencerIM
    Sounds like the NDA is being use to qualify people...see who will actually get off their butts and do something.

    The "highly confidential" is just playing on people's desire to learn secrets and be in the know. I just got invited to one from him but I know he already had a round of this a few weeks ago from the comments I've seen on FB.

    Marketing. Just really good marketing. I don't tend to agree with all his marketing efforts but I'm assuming that they must work because he does them over and over again. If you pay attention to what he's doing you can learn his systems for selling and use what you will for your own business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Love him or hate him, the fact is that for any marketer - online or offline - to be able to create buzz is a powerful talent. There are almost 50 posts here - some adoring him and some trashing him but in the end there are a lot of people who have been exposed and reminded once again about his name and what he does.

    I can almost guarantee that some will buy something from him based solely on something they read in this thread. Others will go join his list to see just how bad he is or what the big deal is about. Others will try to emulate him by figuring out how to get that exclusitivity trigger going with their clients and prospects and if they are successful they will credit him which further builds his "brand".

    There is a lot to be learned by taking the "monkey see, monkey do" approach.

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  • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
    No doubt it's a nice trick to make the potential visitor feel they are getting something of extreme value
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Ok, here is something funny. Yesterday I sent a blank email back to the email address we were told to send our signed NDA's... and yes, you guessed it. I just received an email back from them today (about 24 hours later) thanking me for submitting my NDA and with a link to register for the webinar.

    I had a sneaking suspicion they were not checking these things and it was simply a marketing tactic. It kind of gave it away when they said we could simply take a photo of our signed NDA and send them just the photo - as if that would hold up in court.

    So I guess I can now attend the webinar and share the content with anyone I know since I haven't signed a damn thing. See you all there!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      LOL - You had a "sneaking suspicion"? I felt a slap upside the head - another brilliant marketing ploy.

      The thing Frank is best at is getting people's attention - so they generate buzz for him. It's a valuable skill.
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    Frank Kern...

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  • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
    LOL.

    (That is NOT a pointless post - it is what I am doing right now)


    (Some understand ;])
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  • Profile picture of the author Lilach
    So what is Frank Kern doing? mmm getting us to talk about him?!!

    Everything he does is for that purpose. One hour sales videos caused loads of talk and now an NDA which he probably doesn't read and he laughs at every time some mug is mad enough to complete it!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Hilton
    Frank's a great marketer. Just watch closely what he does!
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  • Profile picture of the author Webbatron
    Frank Kern's target market is predominantly on this forum- and the IM community as a whole.

    This thread was guaranteed to be created by someone, as a lot will be on his list. He knew it; but how do you get those who he cannot directly contact [not on his list etc] to click through, without expensive advertising.....Do something that makes people go go WTF is he doing with this?

    How many people have clicked through to his site from the original posters' link just because they were curious about what he was doing?

    How many more people have registered to test whether the NDA thing is real?

    And now how many more people will watch the webinar just to find out what this is all about....

    Very impressed!
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    • Profile picture of the author IMToday
      Originally Posted by Webbatron View Post

      And now how many more people will watch the webinar just to find out what this is all about....

      Very impressed!
      LOL you've been mass controlled!
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    • Profile picture of the author nm5419
      Originally Posted by Webbatron View Post

      Frank Kern's target market is predominantly on this forum- and the IM community as a whole.

      This thread was guaranteed to be created by someone, as a lot will be on his list. He knew it; but how do you get those who he cannot directly contact [not on his list etc] to click through, without expensive advertising.....Do something that makes people go go WTF is he doing with this?

      How many people have clicked through to his site from the original posters' link just because they were curious about what he was doing?

      How many more people have registered to test whether the NDA thing is real?

      And now how many more people will watch the webinar just to find out what this is all about....

      Very impressed!
      How can you be impressed without access to the numbers??
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  • Profile picture of the author mstewart
    Originally Posted by theoneinventor View Post

    I keep getting these e-mails from Frank Kern where he tells you about a highly confidential webinar where he is going to reveal some big secrets or whatever. I call BS, besides the only time secrets, tips, insider info etc will help is if you already have a steady business(doesn't seem to me like the people on FK's list)


    Thoughts?
    It seemed that you really got his method for the success business.Then follow his step and walk your own way.
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