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How to make lots of money-Dont open guru emails

by terry1288
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I remember about two to three years ago when I first took some advice off what was then a new pair of internet marketers.

They offered good advice that made money and I thought this is great.

They said do this and you will never need to buy anything else again.

Of course this wasnt really true, in so far as their sales strategy, because if that was true there would have been no reason to buy anything else off them again.

Well, actually it was true because it made money but they came back with constant emails about how new things where the things to buy.

What I am trying to say, If somewhat in a clumsy way, is that if you get a good method of making money then concentrate on it and give it your full attention.

Until it starts to lose money dont stray onto other so called maracle methods.

Yes, of course, theres always room to expand your business enterprises but dont go for the magic button solutions everytime some so called guru tells you its the new way to make your fortune.

Remember to make a constant living the sales gurus have to keep selling things, some might be good as well as some things might be just money makers to keep the flow going.

There's no real magic button for offline or online sales.

You need an in demand product.

You need traffic or visitors to your site.

A reasonable to good site will convert(yes, some will be better than others).

In demand product + targeted traffic = buyers

Buyers = money.

No real mystery.

Terry
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    Subscribing to a bunch of "guru" newsletters is basically the same thing as chasing the latest "make $1,974.91 in your pajamas" get-rich-quick dream.

    Make your first dollar, first. Was it easy to do? Great! Duplicate whatever you did and make $10, then $20, etc.

    Definitely diversify. But don't fall into the trap of constantly buying the latest and greatest $97 product every day.
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    • Profile picture of the author terry1288
      Exactly, if you can make a dollar theres a good chance
      you can make two dollars.

      If you can make two dollars then go for ten.

      It can be done.

      After that just set your targets.

      Set achieveable and realistic targets to keep yourself
      earning.

      Terry
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  • Profile picture of the author Miriam Higginbotham
    You are absolutely right! Find a method of making you money consistently and do not get caught up in the next shiny thing that comes along. Once you have mastered that method then try another one and master it. Diversifying is great if you are making money from what you are doing. But otherwise you are just wasting money and not learning anything in the process!
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    • Profile picture of the author terry1288
      Originally Posted by Miriam Higginbotham View Post

      You are absolutely right! Find a method of making you money consistently and do not get caught up in the next shiny thing that comes along. Once you have mastered that method then try another one and master it. Diversifying is great if you are making money from what you are doing. But otherwise you are just wasting money and not learning anything in the process!
      Yes, theres nothing wrong with having alternative meathods of income.

      If one dries up then you have others to take over.

      But master one before going onto another.

      I have fallen foul of this trap myself but hopefully this small piece of
      advice will help others to avoid this easily fallen into trap.

      Terry
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    If you don't open guru emails, you don't see how they market to their audiences.

    That's an education in and of itself!!

    Certainly you don't have to buy...but actually seeing how followup messages are done - it's good stuff indeed.

    Never shun gurus simply because it's the in-thing to do.

    Learn from them instead.
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    • Profile picture of the author terry1288
      Originally Posted by barbling View Post

      If you don't open guru emails, you don't see how they market to their audiences.

      That's an education in and of itself!!

      Certainly you don't have to buy...but actually seeing how followup messages are done - it's good stuff indeed.

      Never shun gurus simply because it's the in-thing to do.

      Learn from them instead.
      You have sort of answered the sales question there.

      Create an email headline that gets people to open the email.

      Write an email that creates interest but leaves the reader wanting to know more.

      Put a link in the email to your website.

      Have a website that converts viewers to buyers.

      Terry
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    • Profile picture of the author cardine
      Originally Posted by barbling View Post

      If you don't open guru emails, you don't see how they market to their audiences.

      That's an education in and of itself!!

      Certainly you don't have to buy...but actually seeing how followup messages are done - it's good stuff indeed.

      Never shun gurus simply because it's the in-thing to do.

      Learn from them instead.
      This is true, there is a lot to be learned from looking at how 'gurus' promote their offers.

      Just don't read to much into the 'substance' of what they are selling. If they found a 'secret' way to make money online they'd be very quietly doing it for themselves!
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    You also need to find a method that excites you. Some people want to be affiliates, others are product creators. Find your groove and work it!
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    As businesses grow, they find themselves in need of new ways to expand, new ways to automate, and new ways to communicate. Most people don't have the time to scour the earth looking for the right tools, so they subscribe to trade magazines, email newsletters, or "guru" email lists to see what's out there that can help their business.

    Not every advertisement is aimed at you. Remember, you are one of many on a list. Just as you are not the only reader of a magazine. The key is to not be compelled to buy everything just because it is a well written sales pitch. Read the copy and ask yourself if this is something that will help your business or will it throw you off track into a new direction.

    ...and, as others have pointed out, you can learn a lot from reading guru emails. If they are truly good at what they do, then learn from them.
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    • Profile picture of the author terry1288
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      If this thread were good advice, then there would be no such thing as trade magazines... or at least no advertising in them.

      As businesses grow, they find themselves in need of new ways to expand, new ways to automate, and new ways to communicate. Most people don't have the time to scour the earth looking for the right tools, so they subscribe to trade magazines, email newsletters, or "guru" email lists to see what's out there that can help their business.

      Not every advertisement is aimed at you. Remember, you are one of many on a list. Just as you are not the only reader of a magazine.
      Ah, so you are saying that not folowing the gurus advice is bad advice.

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      • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
        Originally Posted by terry1288 View Post

        Ah, so you are saying that not folowing the gurus advice is bad advice.

        Terry
        It depends on who you consider a guru. Just because somebody has a big email list doesn't mean that they are giving out solid advice. What it does mean is that they have done something right to get that big list and you can learn a lot from what they are doing. They will also be putting a lot of product ideas and solutions into your head from their ads. You can use all of this to your benefit, without spending a dime.
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        • Profile picture of the author terry1288
          Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

          It depends on who you consider a guru. Just because somebody has a big email list doesn't mean that they are giving out solid advice. What it does mean is that they have done something right to get that big list and you can learn a lot from what they are doing. They will also be putting a lot of product ideas and solutions into your head from their ads. You can use all of this to your benefit, without spending a dime.
          Brian, with all due repest you know that no so called guro gives out a complete money making system for free.

          You get fed little bits of info and you usually have to pay for the majority of it.

          BTW by the time you buy most secret formulas they are virtually already at the end of their shelf life.

          Thats the nature of online marketing.

          If this is not true then all the successful marketers would willingly give us their successful meathods for free.

          I have no problem with them charging, after all as I say this is internet marketing and we all do this to some degree or other.

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          • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
            Originally Posted by terry1288 View Post

            Brian, with all due repest you know that no so called guro gives out a complete money making system for free.

            You get fed little bits of info and you usually have to pay for the majority of it.

            BTW by the time you buy most secret formulas they are virtually already at the end of their shelf life.

            Thats the nature of online marketing.

            If this is not true then all the successful marketers would willingly give us their successful meathods for free.

            I have no problem with them charging, after all as I say this is internet marketing and we all do this to some degree or other.

            Terry
            Of course I know this... and it works for them. They make a lot of money with this course of action. They are great examples of pipeline swipes coming into your inbox everyday. Their advertisements and teasers are often times worth much more than the product that they are selling.
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        • Profile picture of the author terry1288
          Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

          It depends on who you consider a guru. Just because somebody has a big email list doesn't mean that they are giving out solid advice. What it does mean is that they have done something right to get that big list and you can learn a lot from what they are doing. They will also be putting a lot of product ideas and solutions into your head from their ads. You can use all of this to your benefit, without spending a dime.

          I agree small profitable email lists are better than big non productive lists.

          If you are saying ignore what the guru's are trying to sell you but take note of how they are trying to do it then yes there probably may b some merit in that advice.

          Terry
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          • Profile picture of the author terry1288
            There comes a day when you just say I am fed up with this guys emails trying to sell me something, so heres abit of very old advice that rarely seems to be used if my recieved emails are anything to go by.

            Offer valuable info in your emails.

            Perhaps give away some free plr or other material.

            Don't try to sell people something with every email.

            Terry
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            • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
              Originally Posted by terry1288 View Post

              There comes a day when you just say I am fed up with this guys emails trying to sell me something, so heres abit of very old advice that rarely seems to be used if my recieved emails are anything to go by.

              Offer valuable info in your emails.

              Perhaps give away some free plr or other material.

              Don't try to sell people something with every email.

              Terry
              Would you give the same advice to a free Real Estate rag or newsletter? One of those Penny Pincher weekly newspapers? Just curious.
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              • Profile picture of the author terry1288
                Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

                Would you give the same advice to a free Real Estate rag or newsletter? One of those Penny Pincher weekly newspapers? Just curious.

                Not quite sure what you mean but wether it be free advice or paid for advice, if it's of no use or basically just something trying to get me interested in buying something else to profit the sender and not benefit me then I seriously would consider cancelling the subscription.

                Terry
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                • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
                  Originally Posted by terry1288 View Post

                  Not quite sure what you mean but wether it be free advice or paid for advice, if it's of no use or basically just something trying to get me interested in buying something else to profit the sender and not benefit me then I seriously would consider cancelling the subscription.

                  Terry
                  What I meant was that both of those examples are advertising only rags. People get them knowing that there is no content, other than well written ads. The same goes for some people that subscribe to email newsletters. Some want the ads. They want to get new ideas and see what's hot. Those are the people that the list caters to in those cases.
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                  • Profile picture of the author terry1288
                    Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

                    What I meant was that both of those examples are advertising only rags. People get them knowing that there is no content, other than well written ads. The same goes for some people that subscribe to email newsletters. Some want the ads. They want to get new ideas and see what's hot. Those are the people that the list caters to in those cases.
                    Well yeah, I can see that if you just want some literature to pick out the brains of how to construct an ad they may be useful.

                    But how long would you want them for before you thought, well OK I think I can do that now.

                    Has advertising changed so significantly over the years.

                    A good healine to get people to open your email.

                    An email that creates an interest so the reader feels compelled to visit your website.

                    A website that converts the viewer into a buyer.

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                    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
                      Originally Posted by terry1288 View Post

                      Well yeah, I can see that if you just want some literature to pick out the brains of how to construct an ad they may be useful.

                      But how long would you want them for before you thought, well OK I think I can do that now.

                      Has advertising changed so significantly over the years.

                      A good healine to get people to open your email.

                      An email that creates an interest so the reader feels compelled to visit your website.

                      A website that converts the viewer into a buyer.

                      Terry
                      The point of the rags I mentioned is not to see how an ad is constructed, it is to read the ads, because they are advertising products that the target audience is looking to buy.
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                      • Profile picture of the author terry1288
                        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

                        The point of the rags I mentioned is not to see how an ad is constructed, it is to read the ads, because they are advertising products that the target audience is looking to buy.
                        So you receive rags just to read ads in case there is something you want to buy?

                        That's a little bit like all that wonderful free literature that gets put through my letterbox everyday telling how wise I would be to buy my telephone services off this comapny or that one, or how I would be far better off by getting double glazing now before the winter rush.

                        Not sure but I think thats whats called junk mail or spam.

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                        • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
                          Originally Posted by terry1288 View Post

                          So you receive rags just to read ads in case there is something you want to buy?

                          Terry
                          LOL, you've never seen a real state guide, apartment finders guide, or a penny pincher newspaper? Nothing but classified ads. Auto Trader is the same thing. Magazines full of nothing but ads, aimed at people that want to buy the things being advertised. Point being that there is a market for people that are always looking to buy. Mike Carraway once said that lots of people buy IM techniques again and again "just to learn the trick".

                          There are many reasons to subscribe to guru email lists. Some people subscribe just to see the guru selling techniques, but make no mistake about it, those lists are targeted to one type of person... the buying type.
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                          • Profile picture of the author terry1288
                            Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

                            LOL, you've never seen a real state guide, apartment finders guide, or a penny pincher newspaper? Nothing but classified ads. Auto Trader is the same thing. Magazines full of nothing but ads, aimed at people that want to buy the things being advertised. Point being that there is a market for people that are always looking to buy. Mike Carraway once said that lots of people buy IM techniques again and again "just to learn the trick".

                            There are many reasons to subscribe to guru email lists. Some people subscribe just to see the guru selling techniques, but make no mistake about it, those lists are targeted to one type of person... the buying type.
                            Of course they are targeted to buyers, thats the whole point.

                            To make the sellers rich.

                            It,s the one's that buy the products that I am focusing on.

                            There's a common fact that gets widely chucked around the internet that 98% of people who try to succeed online fail.

                            Why?

                            According to form they just need to buy one of these products and make a million.

                            I know, they don.t do what the seller says or carry it through.

                            That's my original pint, get one idea and stick with it.

                            Don't keep reading the emails and buying every new thing.

                            Terry
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    • Profile picture of the author terry1288
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      As businesses grow, they find themselves in need of new ways to expand, new ways to automate, and new ways to communicate. Most people don't have the time to scour the earth looking for the right tools, so they subscribe to trade magazines, email newsletters, or "guru" email lists to see what's out there that can help their business.

      Not every advertisement is aimed at you. Remember, you are one of many on a list. Just as you are not the only reader of a magazine. The key is to not be compelled to buy everything just because it is a well written sales pitch. Read the copy and ask yourself if this is something that will help your business or will it throw you off track into a new direction.

      ...and, as others have pointed out, you can learn a lot from reading guru emails. If they are truly good at what they do, then learn from them.
      I think trade magazines would normally be filled with businesses that tell you their progress in business and how they are generally doing business.

      They do not offer to sell you their secrets or advice you of some hidden techniques that only they know how to succeed in business.

      As opposed to guru emails that are only aimed at this purpose.

      The advertising that goes in trade journals is anybodies who has the money, I know I have paid enough over the years to advertise my offilne businesses.

      Long before I ever got involved in this oline world.


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  • Profile picture of the author marcuslim
    It's ok to open guru emails, if nothing else, to learn from what they are doing and how they are doing it. Instead of being in the consumer mindset, try to view the emails from their point of view and think if you can apply some of what they are doing to your own business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I think this becomes a very personal issue. If you know that
    you have a "buying problem" then don't go to the store.

    Some people get into a buying spree before they concentrate
    on learning any one thing. So if that's you then not opening
    gurus emails may be the discipline that YOU need to not
    get distracted.

    There are other people who find the emails educational.

    If I bought from every sale letter I read then I'd be dead
    broke--or rather dead. But I read those sales letters
    to study/critique them most of the time.

    Know thyself and to thyself be true.

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    • Profile picture of the author terry1288
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      I think this becomes a very personal issue. If you know that
      you have a "buying problem" then don't go to the store.

      Some people get into a buying spree before they concentrate
      on learning any one thing. So if that's you then not opening
      gurus emails may be the discipline that YOU need to not
      get distracted.

      There are other people who find the emails educational.

      If I bought from every sale letter I read then I'd be dead
      broke--or rather dead. But I read those sales letters
      to study/critique them most of the time.

      Know thyself and to thyself be true.

      -Ray Edwards
      Can't argue with your logic and what you offer is sound advice.

      But how many emails do you need to read before you say OK i have learnt enough and then unsubscribe.

      Terry
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      • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
        Originally Posted by terry1288 View Post

        Can't argue with your logic and what you offer is sound advice.

        But how many emails do you need to read before you say OK i have learnt enough and then unsubscribe.

        Terry
        If you feel like you have gotten all that you can get out of an email subscription, then unsubscribe. Either way, it costs you nothing but a click of the delete button if there is nothing to see.... BUT that one email that makes you say, "hey, I like what he is doing here" might be worth sticking around for.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
          BINGO!

          Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

          ... BUT that one email that makes you say, "hey, I like what he is doing here" might be worth sticking around for.
          Provided that the OP did actually stick around.

          I receive a thousand or more promotional emails each day. Most don't get opened, but neither do they get deleted.

          If their subject line catches me, and it's pertinent to what I'm doing this day/week, then I'll probably scan through it, and maybe even click over to the sales page. If not, that email becomes study material for when I have enough time to do it.

          I'm a techno-weenie. My copy writing skills are atrocious. I definitely have room for improvement, and those emails (and the sales pages they lead to) give me loads of examples for both pre-sales and sales copy. I'll spend an hour or two each week, learning everything I can from the emails I've received (not from the products that they promote), or from the sales pages, list-building strategies, etc.

          Why would I ever opt-out of receiving such valuable information?
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      • Profile picture of the author Raydal
        Originally Posted by terry1288 View Post

        Can't argue with your logic and what you offer is sound advice.

        But how many emails do you need to read before you say OK i have learnt enough and then unsubscribe.

        Terry
        For me, it's hard to tell, I could never tell which email would
        give me the inspiration to do something new and great.

        But again, marketing materials are study pieces for me and not
        necessarily "buy from" ads. So some people may need to
        unsubscribe to unclutter their in-boxes.

        I once had a $39 per month newsletter subscription and
        noticed after 2 years that the information was just recycling
        from year to year. So every February I'll get the same type
        of material. After I noticed that I unsubscribed.

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        • Profile picture of the author terry1288
          Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

          For me, it's hard to tell, I could never tell which email would
          give me the inspiration to do something new and great.

          But again, marketing materials are study pieces for me and not
          necessarily "buy from" ads. So some people may need to
          unsubscribe to unclutter their in-boxes.

          I once had a $39 per month newsletter subscription and
          noticed after 2 years that the information was just recycling
          from year to year. So every February I'll get the same type
          of material. After I noticed that I unsubscribed.

          -Ray Edwards
          Yes thats fair enough.

          I suppose you have to a little bit of selective email culling to only get the best.

          Have you noticed that there is a fear to unsubscribe from an email list in case one day you just might miss out on a useful piece of info.

          How many guru lists do the gurus sign up to?

          Terry
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  • Profile picture of the author Keith Everett
    Who decides who is a Guru?

    You know these are the guys, everyone says " The Guru's Don't Want You To Know This" but no one ever says, who they are....

    If you are talking about some of the "Top Names"... you would be advised to quit thinking like a Guru Basher and start taking notes from them on how to make money. Most of these guys have worked their A** off to get where they are today and probably none of them did it by Guru Bashing!..

    Now I'm not saying every Guru is a saint.. of course they're not.. but come on, don't Bash nameless people... learn from experts... you never know, you might actually learn something!..

    Ciao

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    • Profile picture of the author terry1288
      Originally Posted by kweb777 View Post

      Who decides who is a Guru?

      You know these are the guys, everyone says " The Guru's Don't Want You To Know This" but no one ever says, who they are....

      If you are talking about some of the "Top Names"... you would be advised to quit thinking like a Guru Basher and start taking notes from them on how to make money. Most of these guys have worked their A** off to get where they are today and probably none of them did it by Guru Bashing!..

      Now I'm not saying every Guru is a saint.. of course they're not.. but come on, don't Bash nameless people... learn from experts... you never know, you might actually learn something!..

      Ciao

      Keith

      I am not as you say "guru bashing".

      I am purely saying to people that opening and listening to all those emails you get in your email inbox everyday will not make you money.

      I have always had it taught to me that you can learn off any one, be it a fool or some one with sense, you just sift the information.

      My point here is that thes people are not offering free advice thet are sellin dreams on the back of what most times are non profiatable meathods.

      Of course there are good people woth good advice, I never said that there was not.

      BTW I make a good living online and have done for 10 years following 30 years plus offline working for myself and doing okay so theres no guru bashing just hopefully some advice that say's don't buy into all these emails you get everyday.

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  • Profile picture of the author swordmaster
    Good insights here. Terry, first of all let me thank you for your valuable lines here in your posts, that I feel cost more than many "paid" courses.

    What I also came up to is when I see VERY flashy and VERY professional video presentations of the new product, I immediately close down the browser tab - this is the BEST indication to me that the product is hyped and full of BS.

    P.S. you can even trace the same pattern in most of them, like: "I was broken and on the verge of suiside...then suddenly I met one undergound programmer (often Russian..) who was raking millions every year on auto-pilot using his own secret software. Then I "persuaded" him to make this software public to "help" those struggling IM newbies, as I was sick a nd tired seeing as "other gurus" reaping them off...
    So this is my Mission now! I decided to give you this "super-secret metod/software" almost for free (comparing to its real value) so that you can also get out of rate race as I did last year..
    OR, scenario #2 - I joined a "secret underground team of ghost-milionaries" and after plugging a script they gave me durign our drink-party, I saw money flowing into my account in just 60 minutes after it has been fired on!, etc, (the rest, basically the same)

    After you buy in that flashy video that sells you a dream in a best traditions of a holiwood blockbasters, you meet up with One time ofer of $197, or $77 product on the next page that makes you look a total ass**le if you pass on them..
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    • Profile picture of the author terry1288
      Originally Posted by swordmaster View Post

      Good insights here. What I also came up to is when I see VERY flashy and VERY professional video presentations of the new product, I immediately close down the browser tab - this is the BEST indication to me that the product is hyped and full of BS.

      P.S. you can even trace the same pattern in most of them, like: "I was broken and on the verge of suiside...then suddenly I met one undergound programmer (often Russian..) who was raking millions every year on auto-pilot using his own secret software. Then I "persuaded" him to make this software public to "help" those struggling IM newbies, as I was sick a nd tired seeing as "other gurus" reaping them off...
      So this is my Mission now! I decided to give you this "super-secret metod/software" almost for free (comparing to its real value) so that you can also get out of rate race as I did last year..
      OR, scenario #2 - I joined a "secret underground team of ghost-milionaries" and after plugging a script they gave me durign our drink-party, I saw money flowing into my account in just 60 minutes after it has been fired on!, etc, (the rest, basically the same)

      After you buy in that flashy video that sells you a dream in a best traditions of a holiwood blockbasters, you meet up with One time ofer of $197, or $77 product on the next page that makes you look a total ass**le if you pass on them..
      Yes, that just about says it all.

      An emai with a link to the holy grail of making money.

      It,s an eweber link, to track click thrus, that goes to Clickbank(more time than not).

      Then the all important, very over the top professional video.

      The seller has struggled through all adversity but now he has made a fortune his first thought was to give the secret away, well only $97, no better still get it now because he's only selling 200 copies get it for $47.

      And this is why we subscribe to these emails to get new marketing ideas?

      Terry
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  • Profile picture of the author justpits
    so among all which guru you prefer or learned or taught u to make money
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  • Profile picture of the author ydraw2011
    Good article. I have been opening up gurus emails and I know I am part of their sells funnels. I would suggest doing what the gurus do just not getting sucked into their offers.
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