Do You Have An Editor?

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A wise old Sage once told me that every good writer needs a good editor.

I certainly do and though my composition and punctuation skills have greatly improved over the past ten years I wouldn't dare publish an article or webpage without first having one of the two ladies that I use for profreading and editing take a close look at it.

Over the years I've developed a system that requires an editor to use red and green font. Red indicates where an editor suggests eliminating, deleting, or changing something and green indicates content and punctuation she has added. This system allows me to see where I am goofing up so I can mend my ways in the future.

I also find that a good editor can be instrumental in ferreting out "le mot juste" --- that exactly right word or phrase for the occasion.

I'm curious if I'm the only warrior that feels he needs an editor to publish good work.
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  • Profile picture of the author mgkimsal
    You're not the only one.

    I publish some tech journals, and while I'm not an author, I have all the authors' pieces go through two editors - a technical editor who works with the authors directly, then one more editor who once overs everything and focuses on consistency between the pieces (always a moving target, but we work on it).

    For people who don't use external editors - why not? Is it disruptive to the writing and publishing process? Is it a cost concern? Something else?
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  • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
    Originally Posted by Ernie Mitchell View Post

    A wise old Sage once told me that every good wroter needs a good editor.
    And you even proved your own point ...
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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Mitchell
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      Originally Posted by Ernie Mitchell View Post

      A wise old Sage once told me that every good wroter needs a good editor.

      And you even proved your own point ...
      Thank you Annie --- I rest my case
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    • Profile picture of the author Amy Harrop
      I use a proofreader for some of my writing. I've actually taken proofreading classes, so I can proofread my own work, but I find that a second pair of eyes can really help.
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      • Profile picture of the author Resonic
        For the most part, I do a good job of ensuring my text is free of spelling errors and grammatical ones. Ever since I won 8th place in an elementary school spelling bee, I've taken pride in that fact. Still, whenever I can do it, I ask my girlfriend to read what I've written (not because she's my girlfriend, but because she has an excellent eye for spelling and grammar) - and have been surprised with the results, as she occasionally finds places where I've been sloppy, places where I've edited and edited and forgotten the original context of the words.

        I agree with you, Ernie. An editor is an extraordinarily valuable person to have.
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  • Profile picture of the author mjhart
    Originally Posted by Ernie Mitchell View Post

    A wise old Sage once told me that every good wroter needs a good editor.
    I own a book production service and find it essential to have at least two sets of eyes other than the author--a copyeditor and a proofreader. It's hard for a writer to look at their own work with a critical eye, nor do many have the expertise of a good editor. Even my authors who are editors need an independent edit.

    Many websites, articles, ebooks, etc. would certainly benefit from employing editors.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I never make mistrakes so I don't need no editor.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Mitchell
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      I never make mistrakes so I don't need no editor.
      I know exactly what you mean. I was the same way until I drank five gallons of Old Potrero one Saturday night in New Orleans in 1968 and I haven't been the same since.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Ernie Mitchell View Post

        I know exactly what you mean. I was the same way until I drank five gallons of Old Potrero one Saturday night in New Orleans in 1968 and I haven't been the same since.
        OMG!!!!

        I was BORN in 1968!!!

        PLEASE tell me you remember EVERYTHING from that night!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author Ernie Mitchell
          Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

          OMG!!!!

          I was BORN in 1968!!!

          PLEASE tell me you remember EVERYTHING from that night!!!
          UAHH --- Only some of it. The 60s were really good to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Ernie Mitchell View Post

    I'm curious if I'm the only warrior that feels he needs an editor to publish good work.
    This makes me out to be a bit hypocritical/illogical, but I do agree with you and don't really have an editor.

    I do have some training and experience, myself, as an editor, and I muddle through on that basis. I try to "leave things for a little while and go back to them later" before the last edit, hoping to be able to see them with a fresh eye (though it's still difficult).

    I do publish all content on my own sites first, though, before anything gets widely syndicated, and that at stage one or both of my parents will nearly always read them ... so I do have "one last chance" to correct any mistakes, even though technically they're "already published", at that stage.
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    • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      This makes me out to be a bit hypocritical/illogical, but I do agree with you and don't really have an editor.
      LOL... I feel the same way, Alexa!

      I never publish something of my own or send something off to a client right away. I always let it sit for a few hours (or overnight). That way, when I come back to it, I have a fresh set of eyes - and, more often than not, I spot something that I want to change/fix. However, I also worked as a professional editor in a newsroom for years, so I'm used to going over things with a fine-toothed comb. Many people aren't use to that and tend to skip over stuff.

      I think it's a great idea to have an editor look over your stuff before you publish it. In fact, the money you spend for your editor to catch "silly" mistakes or to clean up your writing can actually make you more money in the long run - because you're not publishing stuff that makes you look sloppy. After all, who knows how many sales you could miss out on because of a misspelling or some other kind of error?

      Remember, your visitors are going to judge you by your content. If you can't get it right, it's natural for people to wonder what else you can't get right - and those questions can certainly stop them from doing business with you.
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      • Originally Posted by NicoleBeckett View Post

        Remember, your visitors are going to judge you by your content. If you can't get it right, it's natural for people to wonder what else you can't get right - and those questions can certainly stop them from doing business with you.
        Exactly.

        I once trashed a book in an Amazon review because the author told an anecdote based around a fortune cookie he'd received in a Japanese restaurant.

        Japanese restaurant? What else did he -- and his editor -- get wrong?

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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

          Japanese restaurant? What else did he -- and his editor -- get wrong?
          Well ... please excuse my mentioning that I've also seen fortune cookies in Japanese restaurants (in Europe), and not only once.

          Some people believe that they do it "to match the local Chinese restaurants" (which somehow doesn't quite ring true to me?). Others claim that it was originally a tradition in Japanese restaurants, and it was Chinese restaurants, especially in North America, who copied it from them.

          Your comment interested me enough to have a play around with Google for a minute or two, looking for further information about this, but I ended up none the wiser. (Nor even any better informed, as you may say! ). I suspect it may vary, in different parts of the world, but there certainly seem to be plenty of online references to fortune cookies in Japanese restaurants, anyway ...
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    I think this simple thread just took me backward in time some 6 years ago!

    I'd be lying if I were to suggest that my love for writing excluded the literary accomplishments of the many great minds whom have influenced me to pursue it further.

    Rather than bore anyone with the long version of what I believe has ultimately led me here, I'll try to narrow it down.

    Six years ago, a well-educated individual pursuing his PHD in Theology once happened across some writings I was fooling around with, which I had blindly entitled; "Perplexing the Void With Canonical Force".

    The irony being, this person held a Master's Degree, and a few other reputable academic accomplishments to his credit, whereby, I am a free-spirited, high school dropout with no formal training for my writing passion.

    Honestly, I think subconsciously, I willed him to find these writings and had mentally prepared myself to be insulted, ridiculed, and perhaps reveal that my writings sucked, as I had yet to accept the act of writing as anything more than a hobby of sort.

    My wife held a position working as the Pastor's assistant, and I'd often fooled around on the Pastor's office computer, with permission of course, and had been adding to a Word document I labeled, "Art's Utter Mutterings" for maybe 2 weeks.

    At the time, it was maybe 10-12k words in a raw "rough draft".

    The "Wise Old Sage" in this case, seems a befitting title for the Pastor, who approached me rather seriously one afternoon, and asked firmly; "Art, did you write this in my computer?"

    Here I was thinking it 'offended' him or that I may have crossed the line with my philosophical writings.:rolleyes:

    Anyway, he asked me if I knew of Martin Luther?

    "Sure, he's the guy who stood for equal rights;" -I responded.

    He smirked, and said; "No, not him, I was referring to; Martin Luther c1500's -Diet of Worms."

    Long story short, I hadn't a clue who that Martin Luther was at the time, let alone what he did?, what he wrote?, or who he impacted with his influential thinking and bold philosophies?

    Anyway, the point being... (*finally) -The Pastor contended to tell me my writings were written in similar accord as Martin Luther's writings.:confused:
    He too mentioned some words I later had to look up in the dictionary, such as his mention that my syntax and contextual flow was superbly written.

    He then, ripped me up stating; "Do you realize that you are writing at or above the standard college academic levels?

    He went on to say; "If you were to pursue a career in writing, and I suggest that you do, the biggest issue I see is your grammar and punctuation is seriously lacking!"

    Mind you, I was/am a skilled laborer of sort, with the ability to build, repair, design, reconstruct, and even draft the blueprints for suitable construction projects, and yet; here's this "genius" telling me I'm a writer.

    I simply wrote it off as flattering, and nothing more than an insult to my experience, or better still, my reality!

    I did however, look into an online course called; "Break Into Print" through the LongRidge Writer's Group, and to this very day, I have still procrastinated pursuing a career in writing or truly committing myself to that course, or even that of perfecting or improving upon my grammar or punctuation!:rolleyes:

    However, I maintain a silent desire to write at a higher level, and believe this threads title may very well impart contain the answer...

    I desperately NEED a proof reader and an editor! -Yet, there remains a silent fear, I might actually be able to take my hobby to the next level, and I'm still wondering if that will help increase my passion for writing? or kill it, and make it a chore?

    Hence, I am trapped as are many of my writing ambitions in a perplexing series of failing at everything else I have tried to establish for nearly the entirety of the past 6 years, in a futal attempt to salvage the experience I had gained over the 15 years I was self-employed, offline.

    I don't know "How it works" with other writers, but for me, I love the therapeutic value writing provides, and the state of peace I find when I just let it flow. Perhaps, I fear losing that comfort? -I dunno!

    Unfortunately, if I try to critique my writings, or edit them myself, I will literally obliterate what came naturally in trying to correct upon it, and spend all my time questioning it's literary correctness, as I am not privileged to know what constitutes quality writing from an academic vantage point.

    Internet Marketing seems a valiant way to remain anonymous, while testing the waters, and I have since found great challenge in mastering the tools of this trade to create an ethical business that will not rob me of this passion.

    The greater question now is; "Where does one find a proof reader? and/or an editor?"

    Apparently, my short version ran a bit over my projected response, as I have all but "spilled my guts out all over the stage", as Mick Jagger's lyrics come to mind.

    Meanwhile, I am so damn stubborn with exploring my writing or seeking a proofreader or editor, that much of my current "reality" screams; "It's do or die!" -I'm either going to start writing my future or be consumed by my writing as it appears to be both a blessing and a curse!

    All the Best,

    Art
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    • Profile picture of the author Ernie Mitchell
      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      I think this simple thread just took me backward in time some 6 years ago!

      ....... I maintain a silent desire to write at a higher level, and believe this threads title may very well impart contain the answer...

      I don't know "How it works" with other writers, but for me, I love the therapeutic value writing provides, and the state of peace I find when I just let it flow. Perhaps, I fear losing that comfort? -I dunno!

      The greater question now is; "Where does one find a proof reader? and/or an editor?"

      Meanwhile, I am so damn stubborn with exploring my writing or seeking a proofreader or editor, that much of my current "reality" screams; "It's do or die!" -I'm either going to start writing my future or be consumed by my writing as it appears to be both a blessing and a curse!

      All the Best,

      Art
      Hello Art,

      In the 1600s Descartes said "I write, therefore I am."

      The passion you feel is widely shared among true writers.

      I question that you may be putting too much emphasis on the educational credentials of others and too little on your own natural talents and skills. Truth be known one doesn't have to function above a 9th grade level to be a good writer.

      Any duffis can be taught to spell and punctuate. The ability to write --- to create desire and emotion that engages an audience is not so easily taught. Sadly, most people that possess a gift for writing go to their grave with their best music still in them.

      Finding an editor shouldn't be all that difficult. An English major grad student might be the perfect candidate. Contact a local university.

      I write a weekly newspaper column focused on business and personal development and I find writing an offline column less confining and therefore more rewarding than having to write for the search engines. I write both commercial and noncommercial content and find satisfaction in both. Having spent 30+ years in sales, writing sales copy comes easier to me than most.

      From a commercial standpoint, Panda thinned the heard by making low quality potboiler content all but worthless. Panda has opened up tremendous opportunity for good writers that can produce syndication quality content so grab an editor and get in the game.

      If you like you can PM me. Include your email address and I will forward it on to the ladies I use.




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