Copyrighted Material - Is This Illegal?

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Someone has designed a website and created a product that looks a lot like mine with the same feel and tone but the graphics on the site and on the product is different and most of the text is worded differently. Is this illegal? Do I have any recourse or is this just "part of the game?"
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
    Bob,

    That's a lawyer question and without seeing the two sites it's impossible to give an opinion.

    Martin
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    • Profile picture of the author W.P. Allen
      So even if they are not identical or have chunks of text copied verbatim I still have recourse?

      I need to know before I pay a lawyer to take a look.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        Originally Posted by hst151975 View Post

        So even if they are not identical or have chunks of text copied verbatim I still have recourse?

        I need to know before I pay a lawyer to take a look.
        I'm afraid you've got the process backwards... you have to
        pay for qualified advice in order to be sure. Opinions form unqualified
        people on internet forums doesn't help you in the least.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
        Originally Posted by hst151975 View Post

        So even if they are not identical or have chunks of text copied verbatim I still have recourse?
        You haven't provided sufficient information to make a determination, and you really should consult an attorney on this matter. If there are substantial differences between your product and theirs, it is unlikely that you will be able to prevent them from continuing to market it.

        Remember: you cannot copyright a concept or an idea -- you can only copyright the expression of that idea. That's why there can be hundreds of books written on the exact same topic and none of them infringe on the others.

        For instance, you might publish a book on "How to Repair Your Home Using Peanut Butter and Duct Tape" and I could publish a book on the exact same topic and be within the law if my expression of that idea is unique when compared to yours.

        Again, if you suspect that there is an infringement, you really must consult an attorney. Only after your lawyer advises you about whether or not they feel that the other product is infringing should you then consider notifying the other party about removing the offending material.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kyle Tully
    Unless they have copied things word-for-word or actually taken your content there isn't much you can do.

    "Look and feel" and "ideas" aren't protected.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Im not a lawyer but go with your gut instinct if it looks and smells off and you dont like it then of course see a lawyer. Im sure there are a few specialising in net law around here that could take a free 5 minute look for you
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      • Profile picture of the author W.P. Allen
        I'm afraid you've got the process backwards... you have to
        pay for qualified advice in order to be sure. Opinions form unqualified
        people on internet forums doesn't help you in the least.

        Tsnyder
        Good point.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fermin Suero
    Are you using a PLR or Resell Rights minisite template? If you are there is a good chance you will have other sites with your look and feel.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cosmo Demopoulos
    I'm not a lawyer, but . . .

    Your content is copyrighted whether you post a copyright notice or not, AND
    Your METADATA is also copyrighted by default.

    I know a Intellectual Property Attorney who gives free initial consults. Good/smart guy -- interviewed him for my last book.

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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    So even if they are not identical or have chunks of text copied verbatim I still have recourse?
    Yes. This is called copyright infringement and it is illegal.

    1. Consult with an attorney and have your attorney send them an appropriate DMCA take down notice via certified mail.
    2. Consult with your attorney about whether you should also send the infringer's host a DMCA take down notice.
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    • Profile picture of the author LB
      Originally Posted by Josh Anderson View Post

      Yes. This is called copyright infringement and it is illegal.

      1. Consult with an attorney and have your attorney send them an appropriate DMCA take down notice via certified mail.
      2. Consult with your attorney about whether you should also send the infringer's host a DMCA take down notice.
      Josh, all due respect here but there is simply not enough info provided by the OP to make that kind of call.

      All he has stated is that it has a similar look and tone...what that encompasses is unknown.

      Depending on the depth of similarities he may or may not have a case but any copyright attorney worth his salt is going to be very cautious about the use of DMCAs unless there is definite infringement occurring.

      There might be...but I don't see the info here to say, "yes" flat out. I realize you did advise him to speak to an attorney but someone else reading this thread might take your advice to heart and get themselves in trouble.

      To the OP: The html code is a good place to start...is there anything 100% unique to your site that he has copied?
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      • Profile picture of the author W.P. Allen
        To the OP: The html code is a good place to start...is there anything 100% unique to your site that he has copied?
        Not that I know of.

        The writing on the sales letter is similar but not exact. The product is similar but not exact. That's the thing. It's close but it's not identical. That's why I hesitate in consulting a lawyer.
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  • Profile picture of the author patJ
    Without knowing that much about what it is exactly, I would say forget about it. It's not worth the time if it just "look similar". That happens all the time. Every time something gets successful everyone copies it and change a few words here and there. Just look at all the survey sites and ****/green tea blogs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
    Josh, all due respect here but there is simply not enough info provided by the OP to make that kind of call.
    You're right about that when you are talking about the specific situation which is why he needs to contact an attorney before sending the DMCA.

    However, this is what I was responding to:

    So even if they are not identical or have chunks of text copied verbatim I still have recourse?
    If some one copies your work rewording it and also using chunks of the original text and you are the original author and copyright holder...

    That is called copyright infringement.

    The end result of a copyright infringement lawsuit... well that is for the courts to decide.

    Why people are so afraid of calling the kettle black when it comes to this subject I will never understand.

    The person who started this thread definitely has recourse and rights and should contact an attorney regarding sending a DMCA to the infringer and their host and the possibility of additional legal action if necessary.

    It's close but it's not identical. That's why I hesitate in consulting a lawyer.
    If nothing is identical then it still is potential copyright infringement... but much harder to prove. But if as you said earlier the infringer copied blocks of your text and reworded other parts leaving the end result to be a substantially similar work obviously derived from your original work then you definately have grounds.

    If the person is infringing your goal should be to get the advice of an Attorney on whether you have sufficient grounds to send a DMCA to the individual and if they do not comply to the Hosting company.

    In a case such as this where the work is not identical it will be important for you to have the advice of the attorney first before sending a DMCA take down notice.

    Also sometimes you can get results by emailing and calling the individual and letting them know that they are infringing and requesting that they cooperate and take down the infringing materials.
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    Hi Josh, I think we're having a grammatical misunderstanding here...

    He said:

    So even if they are not identical or have chunks of text copied verbatim I still have recourse?
    I understood this to mean that the site is not identical NOR does it have chunks of text verbatim.

    It appears that you understood it to mean that it was not identical but DID have verbatim chunks of text.

    The correct interpretation is....I don't know! Not sure what he meant.

    But yes, if there is verbatim copying going on...go get the *******.
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  • Profile picture of the author briankoz
    "Look and feel" and "ideas" aren't protected.
    That's not entirely true even though a lot of people tend to say and think that.

    I would see if you can get a free consultation from a lawyer first. There's a lot more protection than some people think (a lot of advice in forums can be misleading at best when it comes to legal matters).

    You also have to ask yourself if it's worth the time and effort, if the competition is really effecting your sales (you might find that they aren't at all), etc.. In some cases, it's just not worth it even if you want to slap the guy around for copying you (if that's the case), but other times there are legit reasons for why you want to do that.

    Brian
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    • Profile picture of the author jacktackett
      Originally Posted by briankoz View Post

      That's not entirely true even though a lot of people tend to say and think that.

      I would see if you can get a free consultation from a lawyer first. There's a lot more protection than some people think (a lot of advice in forums can be misleading at best when it comes to legal matters).

      You also have to ask yourself if it's worth the time and effort, if the competition is really effecting your sales (you might find that they aren't at all), etc.. In some cases, it's just not worth it even if you want to slap the guy around for copying you (if that's the case), but other times there are legit reasons for why you want to do that.

      Brian

      As most folks have said here - get competent legal advice.

      But to address this - from US Copyright law - ideas can not be copyrighted. However there are other forms of intellectual property protection - contract law, trademarks, trade secrets, patents etc.

      Just because something is not copyrighted does not mean it can't be protected.

      But ideas are definitely not protected by copyrights.

      However - lets be honest - IANAL - If the OP is really concerned and takes his business seriously - then he needs to spend the money and talk to a lawyer.

      He should also seriously consider registering his copyright quickly - both to be able to prove in a court he is the original copyright holder - but also to prevent the other person from claiming copyright. Its about $45 US now to register a copyright.

      stuff to think about at least.

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  • Profile picture of the author Fermin Suero
    Can you post a link to both sites or is that not allowed?
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  • Profile picture of the author mrspencer
    What state are you in? I might be able to help?
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    • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
      Originally Posted by mrspencer View Post

      What state are you in? I might be able to help?
      LOL Thats funny. You cant even follow the sig rules.
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        noticed that, that's what I get for being a NEWBIE
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        • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
          Originally Posted by mrspencer View Post

          noticed that, that's what I get for being a NEWBIE
          you still have it wrong
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  • Profile picture of the author briankoz
    Jack, I wasn't sure if your message was agreeing or disagreeing with me, so I don't want to jump to any conclusions in case I read it wrong. However, there are several ways of protecting things like software.

    People always say that you can't get protection with those things, but that's FAR from the truth. Not only have I worked with lawyers on some of my own stuff before, but I also have a relative who is a lawyer that specializes in JUST software patents, copyrights, trademarks, and the like. There's a lot more out there than you might think, but you have to ask yourself how far you want to go.

    I would, as I said before, talk to a lawyer first on it. And make sure that it's a competent lawyer who specializes in this.

    Brian
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