How my friend James paid his IM bills this month

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My friend James up in Arkansas just started IM last week, and his Internet access was being cut-off for non-payment. I offered to pay it for him, but he got indignant and started talking something about "honor" and not being in another man's debt?


So he took a list of PLR, printed it out for free at his school library, and went door-to-door taking $2 orders for the "books" that he had on various subjects.

He did this for two days so that he could make $56 and get his Internet service turned back on.

In the process, he accidentally made $108.

Today he went back to the school library and printed out the books that were ordered, and delivered them.

Then about 30 minutes ago he went and paid his cable bill.

He has enough money to get some candy tonight, and then tomorrow when his Internet gets turned back on, he is back to work.



I have to admit I'm a little inspired by his ability to take action... I've become so lazy, always taking the easy route.... I wonder if I would have been so innovative if I was in a desperate situation like that? And worse, with all of the resources I have at my disposal now, I wonder if I am being innovative enough? How much more could I be accomplishing?
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    James could have mowed a couple of lawns in a fraction of the time.

    Oh ya... not to be a stickler, but is the public library really there to print out products that are for sale? Every drop of ink and every page printed is paid for by local tax payers. Is that fair?
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      James could have mowed a couple of lawns in a fraction of the time.
      Yea, but that's work.

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    • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      James could have mowed a couple of lawns in a fraction of the time.

      Oh ya... not to be a stickler, but is the public library really there to print out products that are for sale? Every drop of ink and every page printed is paid for by local tax payers. Is that fair?
      Our library charges for each page. Last time I went a few years ago it was only like 10 or 15 cents. I can't imagine any library permitting whole books to be copied.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        He didn't use the public library; he said school library. Since he has a cable bill, I would assume that means a college as most high school kids would not have bills of their own. If that's the case, with as much as tuition can cost, I don't see the beef as long as the school allowed it.

        And he also said he printed PLR books which means they are very likely fairly short. I've never seen a digital ebook come close to being the size of a real book.

        Maybe much of the controversy in this thread can be attributed to not reading carefully.
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      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      James could have mowed a couple of lawns in a fraction of the time.

      Oh ya... not to be a stickler, but is the public library really there to print out products that are for sale? Every drop of ink and every page printed is paid for by local tax payers. Is that fair?
      Are your copies free at your library? Mine charges up between .20-$1 per page. (depending if the paper is letter, legal or map.) It's actually a very good deal on map, because that's a rare size.

      Besides, as long as he pays taxes when he is making money, what's the harm?

      Great Job! :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Hi.

    Nice post.

    I've been "James" on more than one occasion. This works in too many ways to mention in one. Post.

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  • Are there really people dumb enough to pay money for a "book" that was produced on a copier?

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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
      Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

      Are there really people dumb enough to pay money for a "book" that was produced on a copier?

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      It ws only $2. They likely felt sorry for him. I used to have a guy who would come to my door about once a week and i gave him $2 to #$5 each time till I got tired of giving him money.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        Whenever someone posts that they need to pay a bill or make money, everyone says get creative. Someone does get creative and everyone knocks the dude down.

        Is that irony...

        Or something else?
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        • Profile picture of the author Trent Brownrigg
          Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

          Whenever someone posts that they need to pay a bill or make money, everyone says get creative. Someone does get creative and everyone knocks the dude down.

          Is that irony...

          Or something else?
          I agree! Yeah there are other things he could have done to make just as much (or more) money in less time. But maybe he didn't think of those things or maybe they don't fit his situation for one reason or another. Give him credit for being creative, getting off his butt, and making the money. Many people would have just sat around and whined about their problem, but he did something about it.
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          • Profile picture of the author purplecone
            Originally Posted by Trent Brownrigg View Post

            I agree! Yeah there are other things he could have done to make just as much (or more) money in less time. But maybe he didn't think of those things or maybe they don't fit his situation for one reason or another. Give him credit for being creative, getting off his butt, and making the money. Many people would have just sat around and whined about their problem, but he did something about it.
            I agree, too. So what if they purchased because they were sorry for him? He earned the money. And since he is a tax payer, too, he helped pay for that ink and paper.

            At least he did something.

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            • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
              Originally Posted by purplecone View Post

              And since he is a tax payer, too, he helped pay for that ink and paper.
              Wait a second. I thought he was a kid....

              Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

              Did anyone notice that this was a kid? Read the OP for clues.
              Aren't most schools funded by property taxes? Does this kid pay property taxes? And why don't his parents pay the cable bill?

              This is a very inspirational story, but some of it's not making sense to me.

              What was his closing rate, BTW? I'm just asking questions, you know....
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        • Profile picture of the author mounds
          To me, this is epic. It is a bit of a silly way to make money, but the fact that this guy had the kahunas to walk door to door, convincing people to buy books he would later print at the library, makes him a better marketer than I.

          I'm still working up to posting a Warrior For Hire ad. It sounds like this guy could haggle the shirt off a mans back and sell it back to him for a profit.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
              Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

              James could have mowed a couple of lawns in a fraction of the time.

              Oh ya... not to be a stickler, but is the public library really there to print out products that are for sale? Every drop of ink and every page printed is paid for by local tax payers. Is that fair?
              There are any number of things he could have done instead, for example,


              I wrote:
              I offered to pay it for him, but he got indignant
              He has stubbornness issues.



              Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

              Not "knocking anyone down" but this story lacks the ring of truth.

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              Yeah, okay then. Thanks for calling me a liar in a public forum. I'm sure you can tell from my other posts that I don't believe in honesty, integrity, and truthfulness.


              Somehow I expected the more reputable posters around here to steer the conversation toward the part of my post where I talked about innovation?


              But looking back at my post, I just wrote out the story, and didn't spend much time on the point of it, so maybe that is my fault.
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              • Profile picture of the author J Cohen
                Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

                Yeah, okay then. Thanks for calling me a liar in a public forum. I'm sure you can tell from my other posts that I don't believe in honesty, integrity, and truthfulness.


                Somehow I expected the more reputable posters around here to steer the conversation toward the part of my post where I talked about innovation?


                But looking back at my post, I just wrote out the story, and didn't spend much time on the point of it, so maybe that is my fault.
                Thanks for posting this Mike. as someone new to IM it's great to receive tips on how to pay those bills. I made a post myself about how I gave up a cup of costa coffe a day to pay for hosting and autoresponder etc.

                I know we are in IM but it doesn't mean we cannot look at other ways to provide funds for what we need.

                Full repect to the guy for doing what he did

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        • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
          Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

          Whenever someone posts that they need to pay a bill or make money, everyone says get creative. Someone does get creative and everyone knocks the dude down.

          Is that irony...

          Or something else?
          Well said Tina.

          Too many half empty cups here for my liking.
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        • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
          Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

          Whenever someone posts that they need to pay a bill or make money, everyone says get creative. Someone does get creative and everyone knocks the dude down.

          Is that irony...

          Or something else?
          I didn't knock him down. I simply made two points:

          1. He did an awful lot of work for a small amount of money. He could have just mowed a lawn or two and made the same amount.

          2. He stole tax payers' resources to do the work. The library printer is not there for people to print "books" to sell.
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          • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
            Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

            1. He did an awful lot of work for a small amount of money. He could have just mowed a lawn or two and made the same amount.

            2. He stole tax payers' resources to do the work. The library printer is not there for people to print "books" to sell.

            He had a problem and found a solution that worked for him - that he was motivated to do. Yes, it could have been done differently or more efficiently but he got it done fast. There are heaps of different ways to reach a modest goal if you put your head down and think outside the box.

            Maybe the Student Council should organise an inquest into the inappropriate use of school library photocopy resources
            as the whispers around the water cooler suggest that Jenny from Arts just produced 100 copies of her car for sale ad; and rumour has it the engineers have doubled the number of invites to this month's kegger. This never happened when I was at school!
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        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
          Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

          Someone does get creative and everyone knocks the dude down.
          Crabs in a bucket.
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        • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
          Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

          Whenever someone posts that they need to pay a bill or make money, everyone says get creative. Someone does get creative and everyone knocks the dude down.

          Is that irony...

          Or something else?
          Yes Tina its called being a TROLL
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          • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
            Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

            Yes Tina its called being a TROLL
            I think there is a big difference between playing devil's advocate and being a troll.

            I disagree with the method that he used and I stated my opinion on it. I happen to be a strong advocate against tax dollar waste. I think that somebody using a public library's printer to print out products for sale is wasteful and no community should be taken advantage of in that way.

            What's to stop James from doing this on an ongoing basis? What's to stop James from telling all of his friends about this?

            I know this may sound petty to some, but it's just the kind of thing that I stand strongly against. The government should not be used to pay your bills and you definitely should not steal from it. After all, who is the government? It's you and me and I certainly don't want somebody getting for free what I have to pay for, even if it is to pay his Internet bill.

            My wife is a school teacher and every copy made is counted. Teachers can't go over a certain limit of paper... and that is for paper used on the students!

            Little Johnny doesn't get to take a practice test, but James gets to pay his Internet bill. Lovely.
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

              After all, who is the government? It's you and me and the guy using the printer
              Fixed that for you.

              Everyone seems to forget that the guy at the library printing out the books is also a taxpayer, and has also put his money into the library over the years. The tax money that supports the library and provides the printer for the community is partially his, too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
      Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

      Are there really people dumb enough to pay money for a "book" that was produced on a copier?
      It is almost as stupid as paying for a 'book' that comes as a digital download - but I guess they do have their very own virtual ecover.

      I know councils will be different but you still have to pay for photocopies here. The price just isn't as high as a printing shop or newsagent.

      I think Tina's post summed up my feelings. This bloke put in the work he needed to without having a sook about how hard life is.
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    • Profile picture of the author mysterrio
      Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

      Are there really people dumb enough to pay money for a "book" that was produced on a copier?

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      Sometimes or should I say often...it is not the 'thing' it is the marketing of the thing. Using an emotional trigger can sell an arrows to the indians or ice to an Eskimo.

      Oh and as a side note...most books are produced on a copier of some kind (but I know what you were going for...I was just using some humor here.)
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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        Did anyone notice that this was a kid? Read the OP for clues.

        Give him some credit for being creative, I do admit I'd like to know more about his permission to use a school printer and supplies before I give him 100% kudos, however I see no reason to not believe this or even to be negative about it.

        We all have our opinions about what's dumb. Some think it's dumb to sell gigs on fiver for under $4 while others sell info on how to do it. Some think it's dumb to sell or buy info products at all, however we all are all here because, one, Allen Says, does not think it's dumb.

        Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

        Are there really people dumb enough to pay money for a "book" that was produced on a copier?

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        Yep, they are. And others are dumb enough to pay for books printed on printing presses and in the past stone tablets were all the rage and don't forget parchment scrolls.

        No mention was made about what was printed. It could have been recipes that people wanted, "How to train your dog." "How to cure.... whatever." and any number of other things.

        This kid might have been a "Guru" to his buyers. Whether we believe it or not, many if not most people do not Google. If they even know about Google they think it's still a noun.

        I have friends who have paid thousands for a couple of pieces of paper a week from the likes of Kiplinger and others. $2 was not much to pay for some good ol' needed information.

        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        Whenever someone posts that they need to pay a bill or make money, everyone says get creative. Someone does get creative and everyone knocks the dude down.

        Is that irony...

        Or something else?
        So true Tina. I give the kid credit for doing something many only dream of. Making money using the Internet and a printer.

        Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

        Not "knocking anyone down" but this story lacks the ring of truth.

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        I don't know what you base that on, however I have done the same thing. I don't call them books I call them "special reports" and I find Realtors, insurance agents and some others are willing to pay $100 a page or more. (OK, small font and single space I admit.)

        So have local PTAs when they use a copier to print "Our Favorite Recipes," use a spiral binder to put the pages together in a "Cook Book" and sell them to the public at large to raise funds for the sports teams.



        Originally Posted by mysterrio View Post

        Sometimes or should I say often...it is not the 'thing' it is the marketing of the thing. Using an emotional trigger can sell an arrows to the indians or ice to an Eskimo.

        Oh and as a side note...most books are produced on a copier of some kind (but I know what you were going for...I was just using some humor here.)
        That's really not a joke, it's true and very germane to this discussion.

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      Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

      Are there really people dumb enough to pay money for a "book" that was produced on a copier?

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      I think that's rude..I hope you don't mean it.

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      He stole tax payers' resources to do the work. The library printer is not there for people to print "books" to sell.
      It was a school library. And apparently the printer is not monitored.

      The bigger question for me is this:

      Would you want your child to attend a school that carefully counted sheets of cheap copy paper - or a school that allowed students academic freedom for entrepreneurial pursuits? Different view?

      Hmmmmm...
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      Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

      Are there really people dumb enough to pay money for a "book" that was produced on a copier?

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      James sold those books before he actually made copies of them. He has probably checked other people's interested subjects before making the copies. I would buy one if it is in my interest, cheap, and it can save my time looking around on the internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post


    So he took a list of PLR, printed it out for free at his school library, and went door-to-door taking $2 orders for the "books" that he had on various subjects.
    I'd probably buy one of the books too since I would have already paid for it to be printed. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author d0rhk
    Yeah what the hell?

    If someone came to my door with a stack of paper looking to sell me a "book" i would laugh and just close the door.

    Are the people in Arkansas actually that gullible? or did they just pity him?

    Also, a quicker way to make money is to sell stuff you don't need on classifieds. I could EASILY sell 1-5 items on kijiji or craigslist to cover my cable bill.

    If this story is indeed true, I feel sorry for that guy. Wayyyy too much work to make $100 or whatever he did going door to door.
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  • Profile picture of the author georgedinmore
    James needs respect.

    I wouldn't of done that, but everyone to their own.

    He had the willing to go out and do what was needed to get paid.

    That shows commitment and ACTION.

    Loads of people out there wouldn't of took that action, and James did - Congrats!
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  • Profile picture of the author Anjine
    Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

    So he took a list of PLR, printed it out for free at his school library, and went door-to-door taking $2 orders for the "books" that he had on various subjects.

    Talk about a go-getter. I love it!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      I can't believe how rude and arrogant a couple of people have been in this thread. Who are YOU to call this poster a liar without a shred of proof? Did you look at his past posting history before calling him out for supposedly "fabricating" his story?

      I'm all for calling out BS when it's found, but without proof of wrongdoing you are just making yourselves look petty and insulting.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      The new trend is, sadly I might add, in many posts lately Debbie (and Danny) Downers are jumping in and questioning posts that leave out a lot of details, Posts that are meant to start a discussion rather than being long articles where the OP Pontificates trying to show how great they are because they have this LONG OP to prove it and I'll leave nothing out so you poor souls don't have to bother to even add anything to MY Thread. "Now listen to me and shut up. Because I have experience in this." That's what is a sad trend to me.

      Winlin, You say you have been in sales for thirty years and in sales management for twenty plus and you don't believe a "hungry" salesperson whether they be a kid or an adult can't go out in 2 days and make an average of 13 sales a day and for a $2 product to boot.

      Heck, I see street people, some homeless, making more than that selling everything from fruit to drawings. They have let their whole lives get in arrears (not just a cable bill) and they are motivated to "work for food" rather than just holding up signs that say, "I will work for food."

      What is more unbelievable than a Kid selling a few "books" is a 30 year sales veteran who hasn't met at least 1,000 hungry wanna be sales people who are stoked enough to go out in two days and make $100. Now that sounds like a fabrication, although I'm not saying it is, it just doesn't have the "ring of truth." If you say as a sales manager you haven't motivated anyone enough to make a few dollars in two days I'll just have to believe you.

      IMHO

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      Originally Posted by Winlin View Post

      Is this a new trend? I mean, these poorly written fabrications. What's the purpose? What's the benefit? What's in it for the OP?

      @OP: I've been in sales for thirty years and in sales management for twenty plus. It's highly unlikely (especially in today's culture) that someone wakes up one day and in the next two they make 26 sales by knocking on doors. If this is the case your "Friend from Arkansas" is probably worth six figures as a salesperson.

      Further it's not consistent that someone who would go arrears $56.00 to a cable bill, is motivated enough to go through the scenario you laid out. - There's more to spinning a good yarn then just stating a few facts...
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Truth is - any kid on my street could do that if he thought of it. I've bought a lot of things from neighborhood kids that I didn't want or need - because the kid need spending money for vacation or his band or sports group was raising money.

        When my son was 14, many of his friends were Dungeons and Dragons addicts (remember that?). He made up what he called "matrices" and typed them up and sold them for $1 each. He made enough over a weekend to buy the skateboard he wanted.

        This is the same kid that "collected" beer cans by picking them up from the gutters and roadsides in the college town where we lived. My friends thought I was crazy to let him keep them but he neatly lined the wall of the garage with them and I saw no harm in it. When we were moving I told him he couldn't move the "collection" so he advertised it and sold it for four figures. Crazy, right?

        Some people will find a way to work for what they need - others will wait for someone else to tell them how or to give it to them. I'll take the first kind of person any day.

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
    Thanks to everyone who had something positive to add.


    (... I don't really feel the need to respond to the critics. I'm not actively in the IM/make money niches, I don't advertise on the Warrior Forum, nor will I ever... So in the end if people think I'm up to something other than exactly what I say, well... Let's leave them to their conspiracies, because their paranoia really has no effect on my life whatsoever.)



    What I would much rather talk about, and what I thought this would start a conversation about, is the importance of innovation vs. getting lazy.

    I have been lazy and lacking in creativity lately, constantly running the same old ad campaigns because they always work. But one thing I have learned from my time here is that nothing "always" works and eventually everything needs to grow and change.

    I'm a huge fan of Steve Jobs, and I was reading one of those posts about "The 25 Smartest Things" he ever said, and a few of them really resonate with me, and make me want to change the way I've been doing things.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      You bring up a good point. We see it spelled out all the time - "you don't need to reinvent the wheel". Perhaps that philosophy is stifling creativity and innovation in too many people these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonChoi
    Wow. The fact that people are criticizing that persons creativity is quite shocking. I personally thought it was inspiring.
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by JasonChoi View Post

      Wow. The fact that people are criticizing that persons creativity is quite shocking. I personally thought it was inspiring.
      Some people are criticizing what they believe to be the OP's creativity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
    Point being missed is that when you're desperate enough you WILL come up with a solution. If you can't swim and you find yourself in deep water you have two choices. You can fold your arms over your chest and say "I guess I'm gonna drown". OR you can kick your feet and thrash your arms. Maybe you'll drown anyway but maybe you won't.

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  • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
    Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

    For Internet Marketing, you normally need the following:

    1. The Internet

    My friend James up in Arkansas just started IM last week, and his Internet access was being cut-off for non-payment. I offered to pay it for him, but he got indignant and started talking something about "honor" and not being in another man's debt?


    So he took a list of PLR, printed it out for free at his school library, and went door-to-door taking $2 orders for the "books" that he had on various subjects.

    He did this for two days so that he could make $56 and get his Internet service turned back on.

    In the process, he accidentally made $108.

    Today he went back to the school library and printed out the books that were ordered, and delivered them.

    Then about 30 minutes ago he went and paid his cable bill.

    He has enough money to get some candy tonight, and then tomorrow when his Internet gets turned back on, he is back to work.



    I have to admit I'm a little inspired by his ability to take action... I've become so lazy, always taking the easy route.... I wonder if I would have been so innovative if I was in a desperate situation like that? And worse, with all of the resources I have at my disposal now, I wonder if I am being innovative enough? How much more could I be accomplishing?


    Inspiring, thanks for sharing! Yanik Silver works with young entrepreneurs, and this reminds me of many youth who come to his Underground events in DC each year, enthusiastic go- getters. Kudos!
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  • Profile picture of the author onlinebizgiant
    No doubt that James will succeed in his IM journey hence he is totally dedicated. It really inspired me.
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  • Profile picture of the author gtownfunk
    It makes me feel lazy too. I just spent the last 30 minutes rifling though free PLR ebooks. If he sold them for $2/ea I wonder where he got the list.
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    Congrats indeed to making the effort and then making that effort *work*.

    I am astounded at the people here who would post negatives after such a creative idea. I think encouragement goes a hell of a lot longer!!

    There are so many ways one can get out there in local marketing and start to generate business in a small, teeny tiny way; posting up flyers for local Realtors who don't have the time, being the middleman between recruiters and realtors, etc.etcetc.

    What are some of your more creative/offbeat ways?
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    • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
      Originally Posted by barbling View Post

      What are some of your more creative/offbeat ways?
      Barbling,

      When I was at varsity (a long time ago), I was short of cash. I decided to try my hand at selling hotdogs during our Inter-Varsity weekend. I bought 125 pink hotdogs and rolls. I would heat up 40 at a time, pack them into a cooler box and then scoot around the varsity on my scooter and sell them. It was back-breaking work while everyone else was 'playing'.

      At the end of it I raised R500 (South African Rand) which in today's terms and exchange rate is equal to about $70.00. It was worth a lot more then.

      I have to admit though, that I have NEVER been able to eat a pink hotdog since that weekend and it is some 30 odd years later

      When you are desperate, you just have to do it

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  • Profile picture of the author James Hessler
    Creative action by someone who needed the cash. For sure there may have been other ways, more lucrative, but still. He saw, he worked, he made $$$. On a side note, Mikes thread title is interesting. As my names is James I opened it right away.
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  • Profile picture of the author BabyMama
    Desperate times cause for desperate measures! Glad to hear James is back online! Not easiest way to make money but he did it and made a profit on top!
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Great story and even better reactions from everyone!

    I found the story both inspiring and sad, actually. Inspiring that this (younger, I'm sure) person had the gumption to get this done, get face to face with people, and actually sell them some printed PLR! Sad in that it shows the sad state of affairs and the desperation some people are struggling with to make money.

    On the one hand I want to congratulate the guy (kid?) on taking action. That's the kind of resourcefulness that could be molded into something great someday. At the same time, I want to tell him that he really needs to think bigger than that...thinking on a larger scale and taking that same ballsy approach can get you MUCH more than $100 in so many other aspects of business.

    Anyway...thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Paule
    I say big up to that guy for doing something. instead of feeling sorry for himself, he got up and did something, which a lot of people would not even do. I am inspired by him!
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    Why assume the printing was free?

    The school I attended, charged for using the library printer. Our public library does too.

    As to mowing lawns...

    Maybe he doesn't have a mower. Or lives in an area where it's not needed at the current time.

    Although, I do think most people purchased the ebooks to help him. Not for the content or need.


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    This story means everything to some people.
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    • Profile picture of the author dsouravs
      Many people said He could have done something else to earn more in less time.
      Then why we IMers stop doing IM and start making robots or warplanes or cruise ships. What one does is his choice and depends on his knowledge and situation.
      Also one of U said that he went to library and printed out for free @ the cost of taxpayers money. What would you have done under this situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author perfectlovehere
    Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

    For Internet Marketing, you normally need the following:

    1. The Internet

    My friend James up in Arkansas just started IM last week, and his Internet access was being cut-off for non-payment. I offered to pay it for him, but he got indignant and started talking something about "honor" and not being in another man's debt?


    So he took a list of PLR, printed it out for free at his school library, and went door-to-door taking $2 orders for the "books" that he had on various subjects.

    He did this for two days so that he could make $56 and get his Internet service turned back on.

    In the process, he accidentally made $108.

    Today he went back to the school library and printed out the books that were ordered, and delivered them.

    Then about 30 minutes ago he went and paid his cable bill.

    He has enough money to get some candy tonight, and then tomorrow when his Internet gets turned back on, he is back to work.



    I have to admit I'm a little inspired by his ability to take action... I've become so lazy, always taking the easy route.... I wonder if I would have been so innovative if I was in a desperate situation like that? And worse, with all of the resources I have at my disposal now, I wonder if I am being innovative enough? How much more could I be accomplishing?
    It's amazing that when people sometimes have a good idea and take action on it they do more amazingly then when they don't act, even with a good idea. I guess one of the most important steps is action. Also, his intentions were good for not burdening you. And I believe that when you do good for others it comes back to you in some form.
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  • I have got to hand it to James there!! I would have never thought to go to the library. Pretty creative!!
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    • Profile picture of the author chemo38
      Originally Posted by Miriam Higginbotham View Post

      I have got to hand it to James there!! I would have never thought to go to the library. Pretty creative!!

      I am lucky enough to have several FREE internet connections near where I live. They include the public libraries, coffee houses, and a downtown shopping area. That expense could have been prevented by using these resources.

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  • Profile picture of the author tebor79
    Someone pointed out that he could have made more money mowing a few yards, which is very true but, would require first purchasing a lawn mower.
    Good Mowers can be pricey.
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  • Profile picture of the author DotComBum
    I can see Success for James in the near future as he took actions and not just wishful thinking.
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    Nice one, it's great what you can do when you put your mind to it
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  • Profile picture of the author thomashoi
    Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post

    For Internet Marketing, you normally need the following:

    1. The Internet

    My friend James up in Arkansas just started IM last week, and his Internet access was being cut-off for non-payment. I offered to pay it for him, but he got indignant and started talking something about "honor" and not being in another man's debt?


    So he took a list of PLR, printed it out for free at his school library, and went door-to-door taking $2 orders for the "books" that he had on various subjects.

    He did this for two days so that he could make $56 and get his Internet service turned back on.

    In the process, he accidentally made $108.

    Today he went back to the school library and printed out the books that were ordered, and delivered them.

    Then about 30 minutes ago he went and paid his cable bill.

    He has enough money to get some candy tonight, and then tomorrow when his Internet gets turned back on, he is back to work.



    I have to admit I'm a little inspired by his ability to take action... I've become so lazy, always taking the easy route.... I wonder if I would have been so innovative if I was in a desperate situation like that? And worse, with all of the resources I have at my disposal now, I wonder if I am being innovative enough? How much more could I be accomplishing?
    Many newbies thought that by getting the latest push button software, they will be able to make full time income online, so they keep buying and paying and seeing no results.

    Your friend has clearly demonstrated what it takes to be successful. No excuses, no blaming, no whinning, just do it (actions) and see the results....

    If only people will start taking actions to do what they need to do, they will see the results soon....
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by MikeTucker View Post


      What I would much rather talk about, and what I thought this would start a conversation about, is the importance of innovation vs. getting lazy.

      I have been lazy and lacking in creativity lately, constantly running the same old ad campaigns because they always work. But one thing I have learned from my time here is that nothing "always" works and eventually everything needs to grow and change.

      I'm a huge fan of Steve Jobs, and I was reading one of those posts about "The 25 Smartest Things" he ever said, and a few of them really resonate with me, and make me want to change the way I've been doing things.
      There is a book called "Who moved my cheese" which basically teaches that you should always be on the lookout for that new source of cheese just in case it runs out.

      Some times it takes some desperation for some people to unleash their creative gene. I guess you need to figure out what it takes to light the fire under your arse. Find something that inspires or motivates you to reach beyond your current goals.

      Also note that there is nothing wrong with being comfortable where you are at or satisfied with what you have. But don't confuse that with being prepared for the future and what might happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author kennethtang
    People do what works for them.

    Given his situation, his thinking processes, his resources, his views in life, his experience, etc., etc., it was the best, logical thing for him to do. Anyone else with the same material and psychological set up would literally do the same thing.

    He did what he had to do, what he could SEE that he could do. And that's enough.

    When people face desperate situations (there are degrees of desperation, of course, depending on each individual's makeup) they get "a fightin", and they get creative.

    "There ain't nothin a man can't or won't do when his kids a' hungry and he needs to put food on the table"
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  • Profile picture of the author Sheryl Polomka
    WOW - it's really sad to see so much negativity around an inspiring story. Someone needed money and found a way to get it - I think that's both creative and smart. This is someone that has motivation and determination to succeed.

    I bet this guy doesn't spend time on forums knocking down everyone that is inspiring. This is a guy that has what it takes to succeed.

    So everyone that knocks him or calls him a liar or a thief - perhaps you could actually take some lessons from him!

    As for the 'stealing the use of the photocopier' there was no mention of whether it was used in a 'sneaky' way or whether he had permission to use the photocopier, perhaps he may have even paid a small fee to use it - we don't know those details so I don't think it's necessary to assume he's a thief. That's just petty!

    Well done James for getting off your butt and taking action - I am sure you'll succeed in IM and do really well. Thanks Mike for sharing the story!
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    • Profile picture of the author rusty1027
      Originally Posted by Sheryl Polomka View Post

      WOW - it's really sad to see so much negativity around an inspiring story. Someone needed money and found a way to get it - I think that's both creative and smart. This is someone that has motivation and determination to succeed.

      I bet this guy doesn't spend time on forums knocking down everyone that is inspiring. This is a guy that has what it takes to succeed.

      So everyone that knocks him or calls him a liar or a thief - perhaps you could actually take some lessons from him!

      As for the 'stealing the use of the photocopier' there was no mention of whether it was used in a 'sneaky' way or whether he had permission to use the photocopier, perhaps he may have even paid a small fee to use it - we don't know those details so I don't think it's necessary to assume he's a thief. That's just petty!

      Well done James for getting off your butt and taking action - I am sure you'll succeed in IM and do really well. Thanks Mike for sharing the story!
      Thank you Sheryl! This was kid - he took the money he had left over to buy candy for gods sake!

      As for all the taxpayer advocates - I think you all take yourselves a little too seriously! I feel embarrassed for some of the people who've jumped on top of their soap boxes in this thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
        A little clarification:



        Originally Posted by Richard Odell View Post

        When will he pay the school back?
        He just turned 20 goes to NAWCC, so we could talk about the current rate of student loan debt, but that is another encyclopedia of posts waiting to explode.



        Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

        There is a book called "Who moved my cheese"
        Good one! There is also a very amusing cartoon/movie to go along with it... AT&T showed it to me when I was doing some work for them back in 2003 (they were SBC back then). Spencer Johnson rocks! If you like Who Moved My Cheese you should also check out The One Minute Manager and The One Minute Salesperson.




        Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

        And I doubt that the person you quoted is calling you a troll... or if he is, he obviously just doesn't know who you are and how much you contribute here.
        Agreed 100% ...and yes, there is a huge difference between being a troll and playing Devil's Advocate or having a different viewpoint.



        Originally Posted by AmandaT View Post

        The point of all of this is getting out there and making money with the resources you have available!

        I know in college one month my roommate and I were really short on cash. We weren't sure how we were going to pay for food for the rest of the month. The thing is, we are both great and cooking and everyone in our dorm knew it. We hosted a dinner event, offering a "home cooked" meal on a Sunday night. We charged $10 per person, paid ahead of time, about the price of a pizza from across the street. We used part of the money to cook dinner, put the rest away for our food budget.

        We ended up with 20 people. We made meatloaf, mashed potatoes, corn, gravy, and biscuits with cheesecake for dessert. With a mix of coupons and smart shopping we got everything for around $100, netting us a nice profit doing something we enjoyed.

        We made a habit of selling cheesecake after that. People could come by our dorm and order cheesecakes on Monday and have them by Wednesday and that is how we paid for our food and our books.

        Later we took it a step further and started teaching other people to make cheesecake for a fee!

        Creativity can really take you far.

        Now that is huge! Much coolness, I love it!!




        Originally Posted by rusty1027 View Post

        Thank you Sheryl! This was kid - he took the money he had left over to buy candy for gods sake!
        Well it was Holloween, and he grew-up Jehovas' Witness, so being able to celebrate the Holidays is a big deal to him. But yeah, he's a kid, so not going about things in the smartest way possible, and using PLR (not to start another war, but that is another thing I am very strongly against) could perhaps be forgiven?
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    I think this dude figured out what "he" could do to make money in a short amount of time and just went for it. It's easy for some here to criticize him for working too much, or criticize the buyers for buying information available online, but keep in mind that the buyers probably don't know a thing about Clickbank, PLR or other info products that we take for granted.

    Most average folks are not tuned into IM...so good for him. He sold some useful content for cheap to people that were interested in the topics. And, reached his income goal too. That's taking action on a quick cash idea.

    Hmmm...I used to work at a major university. I guess I'll keep quiet about some of the stuff I used the copier for...
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    It would be so cool to have James respond in this thread, now that he has paid his bill and his internet service is turned back on. He is a folk hero to the Warrior forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      I think there is a big difference between playing devil's advocate and being a troll.

      I disagree with the method that he used and I stated my opinion on it. I happen to be a strong advocate against tax dollar waste. I think that somebody using a public library's printer to print out products for sale is wasteful and no community should be taken advantage of in that way.
      Just for the record, in my initial comment, I was NOT referring to you, EBR, although I do think it's rather negative to say he could have earned the money easier in other ways.

      Sure, he could have, but at least he didn't wait for someone else to do it for him and he didn't sit and have a "poor me, the gurus are keeping me down" pity party that so many seem to post here lately.

      I happen to agree with you as to misuse of tax dollars. I just find it hard to believe it would have been a public library anyway as I've never seen one that didn't either charge you for copies or limit you to just a few pages.

      And I doubt that the person you quoted is calling you a troll... or if he is, he obviously just doesn't know who you are and how much you contribute here.

      However, I do think you may have missed the fact that it was a school library and I would have to assume that to mean a college since I've never seen a younger student have to pay their own internet bill. With tuition the way it often is, I would consider that to be a use that the person paid for.

      I could be wrong about that but that was what I thought was meant.
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    Good advice for me " try whatever you can do when you have trouble!" but...choose the best way !
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    I can see it either way-

    On the one hand, if he's a taxpayer then yes he has contributed towards the library and is rightfully using it.

    That said- printing out (what I'm guessing is) hundreds or thousands of pages is kind of a lot.

    There are definitely better ways to make $100, but you at least he paid his bills.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      I look at it this way:

      If the library has no rule against what he did - and I'm assuming they don't - then he didn't violate any rules.

      He saw a community resource, and he came up with a way to use it to his advantage.

      Any one of those residents could have gone to the library and printed out those reports. They didn't. In essence, they paid him a delivery/convenience fee to bring the reports to them. He helped them use their own community resource more effectively.

      It would be the same thing if he charged people a service to check out, deliver, pick up and return the books in the library. (Think about it - people in retirement homes, the hospital, nursing homes, shut ins, people with small children, etc.) The books are free for people to borrow - he would be charging for a way to help people use the resource more effectively.

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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaT
    The point of all of this is getting out there and making money with the resources you have available!

    I know in college one month my roommate and I were really short on cash. We weren't sure how we were going to pay for food for the rest of the month. The thing is, we are both great and cooking and everyone in our dorm knew it. We hosted a dinner event, offering a "home cooked" meal on a Sunday night. We charged $10 per person, paid ahead of time, about the price of a pizza from across the street. We used part of the money to cook dinner, put the rest away for our food budget.

    We ended up with 20 people. We made meatloaf, mashed potatoes, corn, gravy, and biscuits with cheesecake for dessert. With a mix of coupons and smart shopping we got everything for around $100, netting us a nice profit doing something we enjoyed.

    We made a habit of selling cheesecake after that. People could come by our dorm and order cheesecakes on Monday and have them by Wednesday and that is how we paid for our food and our books.

    Later we took it a step further and started teaching other people to make cheesecake for a fee!

    Creativity can really take you far.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Wilkinson
      Originally Posted by AmandaT View Post

      The point of all of this is getting out there and making money with the resources you have available!
      Creativity can really take you far.
      If necessity is the Mother of invention, desperation has to be its Father.

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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by AmandaT View Post

      The point of all of this is getting out there and making money with the resources you have available!

      I know in college one month my roommate and I were really short on cash. We weren't sure how we were going to pay for food for the rest of the month. The thing is, we are both great and cooking and everyone in our dorm knew it. We hosted a dinner event, offering a "home cooked" meal on a Sunday night. We charged $10 per person, paid ahead of time, about the price of a pizza from across the street. We used part of the money to cook dinner, put the rest away for our food budget.

      We ended up with 20 people. We made meatloaf, mashed potatoes, corn, gravy, and biscuits with cheesecake for dessert. With a mix of coupons and smart shopping we got everything for around $100, netting us a nice profit doing something we enjoyed.

      We made a habit of selling cheesecake after that. People could come by our dorm and order cheesecakes on Monday and have them by Wednesday and that is how we paid for our food and our books.

      Later we took it a step further and started teaching other people to make cheesecake for a fee!

      Creativity can really take you far.
      Now that is a great story!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gavori
    James seems like a pretty smart guy, enjoyed reading the 'adventures of james!'
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    ha, awesome story This guy is born to make money, very smart move.
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  • Profile picture of the author YourProfessional
    Personally, I think it's a creative idea.

    Most people know about e-books. You go to someone and say, I print out informative e-books which I have rights to sell, would you like to buy one for $2?

    Yes... because most e-books cost $7-whatever amount these days. To me - it seems that if you pick the right people - they will appreciate a bargain.

    I print out a lot of my e-books ANYWAY. He's saving me the hassle of a. buying it online b. printing it.

    win win.

    Whether or not it was "right" for him to "use" the public tax payers money... If I was the School Librarian, I'd let him take all the free copies he wanted.

    Why?

    You're helping someone else better themselves. Surely, we haven't come so far as to begrudge someone from making their own way in the world? And sure if the tax payers money helps him....

    That's why we pay taxes. To better the lives of everyone in the country.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Kage
    Your friend James just gave me a good idea, unfortunately they won't allow me to print for free in the school library.
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