What is the dirty secret with article content???

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With the goal of developing a small niche website with totally original content, I just posted my first job on Elance. Within a couple hours I had quite a few proposals. I looked at the writing samples of each contractor.

• Two contractors provided the exact same article as evidence of their work. Same title, same article word-for-word. WTF? This seems like something that would get someone's account terminated.

• For the other 4-5 I checked, I copy/pasted a few passages from their work into Google, found all of it to be duplicated numerous times in different places.

• If I hire a writer to produce 10 original articles, and I post those articles to my site, will they be copied by others? Wouldn't Google then possibly label my originals as duplicate and punish my site?

Obviously I am new to creating IM content; and this all leaves me highly skeptical.

What is going on here please? What am I missing... I need to understand this. Thank you...
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by seeeker7 View Post

    • If I hire a writer to produce 10 original articles, and I post those articles to my site, will they be copied by others?
    Possibly, but if they are it's easily remedied by serving a DMCA notice on their hosting company, if you want to.

    Originally Posted by seeeker7 View Post

    Wouldn't Google then possibly label my originals as duplicate and punish my site?
    No.

    You're confusing "duplicate content" and "syndicated content".

    "Duplicate content" refers to multiple copies of the same text within one website.

    Originally Posted by seeeker7 View Post

    What is going on here please?
    I'm not quite sure, but I suspect that some article writers who hang around on sites like that may possibly not quite be what they appear to be? Many good writers advertise their services here in the "Warriors For Hire" folder.
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  • Profile picture of the author webapex
    You have to assume there are a percentage of poor writers who use others' works as samples. I though eLance was stricter than some of the other marketplaces.

    As long as your copies of an article are spidered before any copies are, they will credit you site as being the source. People are always considering the tradeoffs in whether they should first post an article on their own site or to an article directory.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
    Unfortunately, you're dealing with people who aren't on the up-and-up. If you can't trust your writer (or any other professional that you're considering outsourcing work to) to be honest now, you won't be able to trust them later when they deliver your work.

    Don't be skeptical of all writers out there, though... There are some great ones. However, as you're learning, you really have to do your homework before you hire anyone to work for you. Once you find the right writer, you'll be able to get custom content that meets/exceeds your expectations.

    And listen to Alexa's advice about DMCA's and duplicate content. She is spot on
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  • Profile picture of the author Kecia
    For the first bullet point, it is possible they are the same writer(s) using multiple accounts or working together. Still, it should raise a red flag because they should be able to at least provide you with two different writing samples for your consideration.

    For the second bullet point, it is possible that their content has been syndicated all over the internet, which Alexa discussed in her post. Of course, it is also possible that they have stolen the content and are using it for their own gain, in the form of writing samples for Elance.

    It sounds as though you are attracting the less than honest members of Elance. I would suggest trying to hire writers here or by other means.
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    • Profile picture of the author FaisalKarim
      Articles are a great source for effective back linking and targeted traffic therefore my suggestion is to take them seriously. A half-baked article marketing effort can be an undesired waste of your time and money and in cases can backfire, hurting your search engine rankings. I have hired content writers from GetAFreelancer and Elance, but in my case, I made an effort to get to know those content writers before hiring them. Content writers especially from abroad are generally spearheaded by a team leader who oversees content written by not-so-seasoned writers and edits their work as needed. Try speaking to that team leader and make it known to them how important it is for you to get genuinely unique and authentic content. Additionally, read up on their profiles and try to get a feel for the operation in general. On sites like GAF and eLance the outputted work is sometimes just as good as the savvy of the hiring party. Good luck with your efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author danr62
    Wow, that sounds pretty shady to me. If these "writers" can't even send you something original as their "writing sample" then how could you possibly expect them to write something original when you pay for it?
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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaT
    Well, I know a lot of my samples are articles I wrote for EZA so they will be on multiple websites. Some of my samples are from my blogs. I used to send out a set of samples that were unpublished but after I started sending them out to many prospective clients, I noticed they were being stolen and used so I always send samples published on my sites.

    One thing you can do is ask them to write a short sample... say 150 words.

    I do this quite often and check for:

    1. Uniqueness... does it pass copyscape or other plagiarism checkers?
    2. Quality. Does it make sense and have good spelling and grammar?
    3. Response time. If it takes more than 24 hours I usually won't hire them. I don't like to hire people that are just going to further outsource. (I don't want to pay $15 for an article and have them pay someone else $5 to write it for them. If I wanted a $5 article, I would order a $5 article.)

    Those are just a few tips. Normally I do most of my writing myself though if I fall behind on my own content because I am writing for clients or I just want a fresh perspective for my blog, I'll hire someone else to write.

    The Warriors for Hire section has a lot of great writers.
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    • Profile picture of the author seeeker7
      Thank you all very much for your replies. They are very helpful, and the picture is starting to make sense.

      I don't know what was going on with those two writers in question, but fortunately there were quite a few proposals from different contractors, and several looked promising. So with the proper vetting I should be able to find a good fit.

      If you try to honestly develop original content, you hope it serves you rather than becomes another problem. I was just worried when so many identical articles were in different places, it could mean anything really. Where did they originate, what is "syndicated" v. blindly copy/pasted, etc.

      What is "serving DMCA notice on their hosting company?" What is a DMCA?

      Thank you...
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by seeeker7 View Post

        What is "serving DMCA notice on their hosting company?" What is a DMCA?
        Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

        A "DMCA takedown notice" is something you send to a hosting company notifying them that something currently published on a page/site they're hosting is a breach of your copyright. Normally they'll respond by removing it.

        You can find out who hosts websites from sites like who-hosts.com.

        There's a specimen DMCA notice here on Suzanne's website (you have to scroll down a bit to get to it, I think): http://domainingdiva.com/legal-issue...ipoff-artists/
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  • Profile picture of the author flannie
    Writers can get caught between a rock and a hard place with samples of their work. It's always possible that their content appears in multiple places because once they sell to a broker, they have no more control over where it goes or who uses it. I used to sell a lot of my articles through brokers. Not that I minded what they did with them - I was paid for them by the brokers and that was that. But if I were to use one or two of them as samples of my work, it would look as if I lifted them from the internet. Other examples of my work would be from my ghostwritten articles which are passed off as the buyer's own.

    On the other hand, writers do not like to be asked to create a brand new document just for evaluation purposes. Many buyers will take that article, wave off the writer, and proceed to use that article for free. If they do this enough times, they have a steady source of articles. Even if they hire the writer, they don't always offer compensation for that first article.
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  • Profile picture of the author nm5419
    If you think that's bad, look at things from my perspective (just for a minute -- for 'fun').

    A guy hired me to write some articles years ago. Out of curiosity, I searched it up and found it all over the internet. I assumed the guy sold it as PLR material.

    No big whoop...

    ...Until I discover an outsourcing writing service used the same article as an example of the "excellent" level writing quality they offer (in addition to a "good" level, "okay" level, "poor" level).

    That's a very bad move and I'm not sure if I should inform them. This is a fairly well known outsourcing service.
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  • Profile picture of the author nm5419
    Originally Posted by seeeker7 View Post

    • Two contractors provided the exact same article as evidence of their work. Same title, same article word-for-word. WTF? This seems like something that would get someone's account terminated.
    Be aware that a number of service providers hire other writers, and then pass off those writers' works as their own. A lot of offshore writers do that, in fact, in an attempt to get US dollars. You might have been the end recipient of that little scheme.

    Originally Posted by seeeker7 View Post

    • For the other 4-5 I checked, I copy/pasted a few passages from their work into Google, found all of it to be duplicated numerous times in different places.
    Ask for a sample that hasn't been plastered all over the internet.

    Originally Posted by seeeker7 View Post

    • If I hire a writer to produce 10 original articles, and I post those articles to my site, will they be copied by others? Wouldn't Google then possibly label my originals as duplicate and punish my site?
    What does Elance's terms of service say about that? At vWorker, if providers breach the terms of a contract's copyright provision, you can file arbitration (at no cost, mind you) to resolve the issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    First off, you should be commended for doing your homework. That said, for me personally, if two writers delivered the EXACT same sample I would disqualify them from selection.

    Reminds me of all the link sellers on the DP forums. You'll post that your looking for links and you'll have twenty PM's and nearly all of them are advertising the exact same sites. Simply reselling the links and then contacting the site owners on your behalf.

    When it comes to written content you want the best damn work you can afford. For a website, an article is what makes or breaks a site. For another tip, head on over to the Warrior For Hire section and see if there are any writers in there that can meet your needs.
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  • Profile picture of the author scraig
    There's lots of great writers in the Warriors For Hire section of this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teacherman
    Honestly, I've worked with a lot of people looking to buy content, and I tell them all the same thing. You might be able to find a decent writer for $5 an article, but they won't stay at that price very long if they are any good. You need to pay for someone who will give you professional-level content, but even more importantly, provide top-notch communication and turnaround times. I personally guarantee my own writing and promise to immediately address any concerns within 24 hours of learning of any problems. This has only ever happened twice (both times due to miscommunication of what was ultimately required) and was immediately rectified. Once you find a writer you can trust and work with, treat them like gold. It's well worth your time when you consider the opportunity costs of the time you spend looking for someone new to trust with your writing services.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      • For the other 4-5 I checked, I copy/pasted a few passages from their work into Google, found all of it to be duplicated numerous times in different places.
      Not sure this one is something to worry about. As a writer, I often include partial or full articles as examples. These may be articles I submitted to eza for my own sites or may be content written and posted for my own site.

      These are examples of MY writing - I wrote them but didn't confine their use to providing a writing sample to prospects. Often the sample I use are from some of the highest producing articles I've written for myself.

      On freelance and writing-for-hire sites there seems to be an incrase in idiots who think writing is so easy they can submit a sample written by someone else....and still complete the work if they get the job.

      On elance - look at the person's previous feedback but then go farther and look at other feedback issued by those specific buyers. A writer who has been hired several times by more than one buyer is probably a good bet.

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