You make me mad - What you mean your STILL not making money??

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Seriously, I am annoyed.

I always browse these forums to keep an eye on how the young warriors are doing and to check up on what the veterans are pushing.

Well...

Just lately I have seen way too many posts that go something like this:

"I've been doing this for XX Months / XX Years now and I still haven't made any money - well, I made one sale, months ago, blah blah blah"

Honestly...

WTF is wrong with you?!?!

Making money online is easy - it is very simple in both theory and application, all that is needed is a little hard graft and some patience.

Let me explain something to you:

Most of the "systems" do work.

Most of the "systems" are essentially the same, or very similar - there are about 10 different ones and a million spins on the those 10.

The simplest and easiest fomula for making money online is this:

"Traffic x Pre-Sale (or conversion tactic) = Profit"

Furthermore, there is a better formula:

"Traffic x Pre-Sale x Back-End Sale = More Profit"


Now please excuse my mood - I'm ranting as you can see, but let me explain this clearly....

First of all, you need to master traffic - I will do that for you right now - here is a masterminded plan for gaining traffic:

1) Write 10 articles and submit them using a submitting service. (Link to your website in the signature)
2) Convert those articles into video format - submit them. (Link to your website in the description)
3) Convert tthose articles into .pdf format - submit them to sites like Scribd, GoogleDocs, Torrent sites and the likes. (Link to your website both in the .pdf and in the signature.
4) Convert those articles into podcasts - submit them.
5) Convert those articles into FACEBOOK PAGES* - (Teenage Genius secret tactic - you heard it here first!!!)
6) Convert those articles into forum posts - post them on on-topic forums. (Link in your signature).

This shouldn't actually take you that long - and - you only gain speed with practice.

Now - those 10 original articles - spin them and repeat the process!


Furthermore now all you need to master is conversion tactics.

Therefore let me tell you a law which I have discovered though trial and error:

"If you are converting people to click adSense add's - do NOT put "valuable" content on your page, put adSense links and a load of junk so that people click the adSense to navigate away from your page"

"If your converting people to buy Clickbank products - pre-sell them with a sly sales copy"

Simples.

There is of course more to this than meets the eye - but this basic formula is more than enough to get you making money NOW!

So stop messing about with whatever non-sense you are currently doing to not earn you money.


Regards,
Sorry for ranting

TG.
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  • Profile picture of the author arkad25
    thank you for giving us an idea how about how mo gain more traffic..
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  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
    Hi Teenage Genius,

    Originally Posted by Teenage Genius View Post

    Making money online is easy - it is very simple in both theory and application, all that is needed is a little hard graft and some patience.
    I don't really agree that it's easy at all but regardless - you've already identified why many of the people you are ranting about don't find it easy -

    all that is needed is a little hard graft and some patience
    Many people don't find hard graft or patience easy, especially when they are their own boss.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Rankin
    Thanks for the outline, I'm new so I have some research to do now, this should get me going in the right direction!
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  • Profile picture of the author Morganzolar
    Hi, thanks for the advice! I'm a little dubious of 'article syncronising', due to some posts on here saying that even though they posted the article on their website, got it indexed, and posted the article on article directories - they still got banned for duplicate content. I know it can work, because people have written about their success, so I'll give it a go and see if I can do it :rolleyes:.

    Cheers again!

    MZ
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Hart
    do NOT put "valuable" content on your page, put adSense links and a load of junk so that people click the adSense
    Controversial to say the least.

    Does it happen, YES, do I agree with it NO, but hey each to their own I guess

    Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author Alonzo White
    I kind of agree with Teenage Genius.

    Really all anyone needs to make money online is a high converting offer and traffic. It's not that difficult.

    But...what I've seen is that most people are trying to find the PERFECT way to make money online. They go through course after course without implementing what they're learning because they're looking for a magic solution.

    The secret is realizing that there is no secret.
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    The reason most people don't make money, from what I have seen, is not because they don't know what to do, but because they aren't doing it. They are worried, scared, uneasy, unsure, etc. By the time they are ready to do anything, or realize that nothing is working, months or years have gone by.

    And that's when we get the "I've been doing this for XX months/XX years and haven't made a penny!" posts. Getting backlinks is easy, getting traffic is easy, but you have to actually do something to get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author braincandy7
    A good post. One thing i always find hard is the video part though. Not a fan of getting up in front of a cam and don't feel that text vids really have what it takes to keep people interested.
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    • Profile picture of the author Patrick Kelly
      Hi,

      A great way to start the ball rolling for those of you who have not made it above ground zero! A good blueprint plan!

      This would be a great script for someone to pass on to their 'out-source-er'...if they are already making money

      cheers, Patrick
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    • Profile picture of the author Leslyaviel
      Originally Posted by braincandy7 View Post

      A good post. One thing i always find hard is the video part though. Not a fan of getting up in front of a cam and don't feel that text vids really have what it takes to keep people interested.
      This is when you use fiverr to your advantage. You pay someone $5 to make a professional looking video for you. There are tons of people on Fiverr.com offering this service. Hope this helps.
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      Originally Posted by braincandy7 View Post

      A good post. One thing i always find hard is the video part though. Not a fan of getting up in front of a cam and don't feel that text vids really have what it takes to keep people interested.
      Some VERY successful marketers are making millions with text videos.

      Don't make assumptions...take actions...then draw your own conclusions based on experience.

      Often times when we make assumptions that something is not going to be worth our time it is nothing more than procrastination based on fear or laziness.
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      • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
        Originally Posted by FromBrokeToRich View Post

        Some VERY successful marketers are making millions with text videos.

        Don't make assumptions...take actions...then draw your own conclusions based on experience.

        Often times when we make assumptions that something is not going to be worth our time it is nothing more than procrastination based on fear or laziness.

        Best post I've read in some time - excellent advice!
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    Originally Posted by Teenage Genius View Post

    1) Write 10 articles and submit them using a submitting service. (Link to your website in the signature)
    2) Convert those articles into video format - submit them. (Link to your website in the description)
    3) Convert tthose articles into .pdf format - submit them to sites like Scribd, GoogleDocs, Torrent sites and the likes. (Link to your website both in the .pdf and in the signature.
    4) Convert those articles into podcasts - submit them.
    5) Convert those articles into FACEBOOK PAGES* - (Teenage Genius secret tactic - you heard it here first!!!)
    6) Convert those articles into forum posts - post them on on-topic forums. (Link in your signature).

    TG.

    Thanks TG,

    The suggestions in bold are something that I have never thought of. Going to see how I can apply this.

    Di
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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Paule
    Thanks for some great ideas. my websites are dying for some traffic, and i will be sure to implement your ideas.

    Its not as easy I would like it to be though
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  • Profile picture of the author Abby Gibbs
    Perseverance, interest and eagerness are the things to do to earn money online.
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    Making money online is about 1 thing - doing it! You can buy all the WSO's you want, you can read all teh threads you want, you can waste days and days on different forums trying to learn about how to do it, but until you actually DO IT, you won't make a cent.

    OP is correct in saying its relatively simply - the most important factor is finding one method / system, and then doing it ALL THE WAY THROUGH - don't try for a day and then give up cos its not working ... you need to work the method / system.

    In other words - never give up - never surrender!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    It takes some longer to develop the right mindset to be successful online. Some marketers come out of the gate with it. Others take months or even years. It took me years to develop discipline and the right mindset. Unfortunately it can't be taught. There ARE plenty of systems and tactics that work. Heck, you could build a business around just 1 or 2 tactics. But only those with the right amount of discipline will be able to do them consistently and make them work.
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  • Profile picture of the author True Solution
    Guys I know TG personally - he helped take my page from a few visitors to a few thousand.

    Thanks for this post Steve - It's very helpful to newbies and veterans alike. But I most agree with what some people are saying in this thread: some times it is not the fact that people don't know how - it is that they do not apply the knowledge they have learnt whole heartedly.

    What you've given us here is an excellent system to get anybody making money online - well, an outline anyway - but as you have told me: you can write an entire book, teaching secrets you and insider knowledge which you have, in a single post on a forum - I get that - and can't wait until your "Simple System X" comes out.

    Anyway thanks for the great post - oh and I've made some progress on that project you gave me - I'll talk to you later about it.

    Peace bro,
    Hakim.
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  • Profile picture of the author True Solution
    Originally Posted by Teenage Genius View Post

    5) Convert those articles into FACEBOOK PAGES* - (Teenage Genius secret tactic - you heard it here first!!!)
    Genius!

    Edit: Sorry for the double post!
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    What do you mean about converting them into FACEBOOK PAGES. Are you saying make each article into a seperate fan page or just post the article on your own fan page wall?

    Also how can you post an article on a forum? I always thought forums were for adding short comments.

    You seemed to have left out keyword research
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  • Profile picture of the author Tek Scavenger
    He left out keyword research because SEO is not a forefront of this plan, it's getting people to follow content from other high traffic sites back to your page.

    I like the outline. Thank you TG! You're right, I have seen this all before (well most), simply not in this direct structure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I agree with Roger (ExRat) but also think that telling people they should build their business by spamming out regurgitated versions of their articles is really bad advice.

    There's a massive difference between scratching around for some random sales and building a business.

    Both are valid and suitable for different situations/people but don't confuse them as the same thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    Originally Posted by Teenage Genius View Post


    Just lately I have seen way too many posts that go something like this:

    "I've been doing this for XX Months / XX Years now and I still haven't made any money - well, I made one sale, months ago, blah blah blah"
    But there are even more posts about what other people have posted.
    I'm not sure which are worse, the original, or the recycled version.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Originally Posted by Teenage Genius View Post

    Making money online is easy
    Sure it is, once you LEARN HOW.

    Originally Posted by Teenage Genius View Post

    WTF is wrong with you?!?!
    Some people learn quicker than others. Doesn't immediately mean there's something wrong with them. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    Yup. Here is a man who could not give a monkeys about what Google are going to do next.

    I would add - make sure you find some innovative ways of collecting e-mails somewhere in the funnel so you can sell to these people all over again in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author troy23
    "He left out keyword research because SEO is not a forefront of this plan, it's getting people to follow content from other high traffic sites back to your page."

    Keyword research is not just for SEO. I could post a bunch of articles in the way he mentioned, but if few are interested in what I have it's unlikely they are going to follow the links back.
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  • Profile picture of the author NatureGal
    Originally Posted by Teenage Genius View Post

    1) Write 10 articles and submit them using a submitting service. (Link to your website in the signature)

    TG.
    What are some good article submitting services?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    Hey Genius, pLEASEEE don't take this the wrong way - but as a genius, you should know the difference between "your" and "you're" - sorry, could not resist - lol

    Great post other than that! :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Vlad Romanov
    I could summarize any of my university classes in a similar post, yet 40% of students fail the course. Clearly there is more to Internet marketing than a few paragraphs...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    Originally Posted by Teenage Genius View Post

    Therefore let me tell you a law which I have discovered though trial and error:

    "If you are converting people to click adSense add's - do NOT put "valuable" content on your page, put adSense links and a load of junk so that people click the adSense to navigate away from your page"
    Glad that is working for you, I'd propose another route for people looking to make money with adsense: give valuable content AND structure your site to make people click offsite. Not sure what tier level of adsense earning you are at, but I know a couple of Adsense managers (@ Google) who will initiate a manual review and take a hard look at a site to see if it's a "good" one or a "questionable" one. They will either ban your adsense account or most likely invalidate the ads for your junk site if the site doesn't prove to be one of providing a valuable viewing experience to the end user.

    Take it from someone who has been working the Adsense game now since it was released day one..
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  • Profile picture of the author vibharak
    Why should you get links to your website artificially? Are there methods to get traffic naturally over a period of time so that your site is not punished by search engines.

    This kind of traffic will be of good quality and responsive/converting.

    My 2 cents...
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    • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
      Originally Posted by arkad25 View Post

      thank you for giving us an idea how about how mo gain more traffic..
      No problem, this is really just a ring in a desert when it comes to gaining traffic to your website - I just wanted to share something which I know most people will be able to do rather easily.

      Some of the best ways of gaining traffic are actually OFFLINE marketing - doing events with charities and wearing t-shirts and sporting banners with the websites URL on it for example.

      Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

      Hi Teenage Genius,



      I don't really agree that it's easy at all but regardless - you've already identified why many of the people you are ranting about don't find it easy -



      Many people don't find hard graft or patience easy, especially when they are their own boss.
      I hear you on this - believe me I was once the complete opposite of the productive guy I was today - and before that, I was similar to how I am now, just really young.

      There was a point in my life where I just broke down and spent a good few years being a lazy depressed mess (it's hard to explain, heart break at 16, son born at 15, years of fighting in court, the girl I loved telling lies about me - missing my GCSE's even though I was the school's top student - It was all too much!)

      But that experience taught me so much and finding the strength inside me to pull myself out of my bad ways has done nothing but strengthen me further since then.

      I understand some people can't hold it down - and to those people I give one piece of advice:

      "DO IT ANYWAY!"

      What I mean is: whether you believe you are strong or weak, whether you believe your plans will succeed or fail - DO IT ANYWAY - this will give you "true knowledge" and feedback that you can work on - you would have taken the first step and proven to yourself that really: it was easy, wasn't it? - and it's easy to do even better next time - in fact, it's near impossible not to do better next time

      Originally Posted by Morganzolar View Post

      Hi, thanks for the advice! I'm a little dubious of 'article syncronising', due to some posts on here saying that even though they posted the article on their website, got it indexed, and posted the article on article directories - they still got banned for duplicate content. I know it can work, because people have written about their success, so I'll give it a go and see if I can do it :rolleyes:.

      Cheers again!

      MZ
      There seems to be a growing trend in syndication - IMHO: if you've had bad dealing with articles then go for the other options on the list.

      Articles themselves are abused badly and have been since day - but the others are nowhere near as controlled, monitored, or restricted.

      It is also a good idea to try and talk to staff who work for the directory companies - it is amazing what changes happen when you simply talk to them on an honest level - for certain things it will mean the difference between you not getting banned when everybody else does (not saying your going to get banned, but this is an example)

      As a different example: my sister tried to get a Littlewoods catalog - she applied online and was refused.

      I told her to phone them and have a word, be real with them - they accepted her.

      Sometimes a little phone call here and there makes all the difference - especially when dealing with CPA offers.

      Originally Posted by Andy Hart View Post

      Controversial to say the least.

      Does it happen, YES, do I agree with it NO, but hey each to their own I guess

      Andy
      Controversy is one of the big keys to success in this game Andy.

      Controversy sells - so does sex and death, but I stay away from selling the second and third lol.

      Seriously though, thanks for the comment - I understand some people may see it as unethical - when I say "junk" with the adSense pages it doesn't have to all be bad - (within bad: good is concealed, within good: bad is concealed) - the page can still contain good content and if that's the case then placement of ad's is key.

      Honestly I see "unethical" with adSense doing things like making a search engine where every result is actually an adSense link - or - using clever gimmicks to get people to "click here" when there is an adSense link hidden underneath - all that stuff I personally stay away from - but saying that, I personally stay away from adSense these days so I can't be one to talk.

      Originally Posted by Alonzo White View Post

      I kind of agree with Teenage Genius.

      Really all anyone needs to make money online is a high converting offer and traffic. It's not that difficult.

      But...what I've seen is that most people are trying to find the PERFECT way to make money online. They go through course after course without implementing what they're learning because they're looking for a magic solution.

      The secret is realizing that there is no secret.
      I really like that "The secret is realizing there is no secret"

      But, there are secrets. I would say the biggest secret is to think for yourself and have enough conviction to follow everything through until you get results, good or bad.

      I do agree with what you said about people waiting for the "perfect" system - there isn't one - IMHO these people should simply quit IM and go start a Window Cleaning company - right there is a simple proven system of gaining profit.

      Originally Posted by KimboJim View Post

      The reason most people don't make money, from what I have seen, is not because they don't know what to do, but because they aren't doing it. They are worried, scared, uneasy, unsure, etc. By the time they are ready to do anything, or realize that nothing is working, months or years have gone by.

      And that's when we get the "I've been doing this for XX months/XX years and haven't made a penny!" posts. Getting backlinks is easy, getting traffic is easy, but you have to actually do something to get it.
      I agree with you 100%

      Originally Posted by braincandy7 View Post

      A good post. One thing i always find hard is the video part though. Not a fan of getting up in front of a cam and don't feel that text vids really have what it takes to keep people interested.
      Thank you

      If you don't like jumping on video, get somebody else too!

      Seriously, I don't know you, but I don't need to know you personally to know that you undoubtedly know someone who will do it.

      (You have immense power if only you knew - this power is everybody you've ever met in your life, school mates, family, ex-bosses etc ;])

      And - the real secret to text based videos is the music - ever noticed how the music alone in a scary film can make you worried then jump? - Music when used correctly can enslave people I swear it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pierce
    Learning the techniques to make money online is really not that hard to do if you work at it. The real problem is that no one takes action. A lot of people who are making money online aren't exceptionally gifted or anything, they just go out there and get to work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
    Originally Posted by Patrick Kelly View Post

    Hi,

    A great way to start the ball rolling for those of you who have not made it above ground zero! A good blueprint plan!

    This would be a great script for someone to pass on to their 'out-source-er'...if they are already making money

    cheers, Patrick
    Thanks for the kind words - and I like your business mind, outsourcing this would be the way to go once your earning.

    Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

    Thanks TG,

    The suggestions in bold are something that I have never thought of. Going to see how I can apply this.

    Di
    Excellent, I wish you all the best with it.

    (Let me know how you get on and if you need any help or advice on anything in particular feel free to drop me a PM)

    Originally Posted by Lisa Paule View Post

    Thanks for some great ideas. my websites are dying for some traffic, and i will be sure to implement your ideas.

    Its not as easy I would like it to be though
    It is not easy simply because you haven't done it before (by the sounds of it?) - after you've completed one cycle, the second will be easier and the third even easier.

    There are ways to automate though - and - outsourcing is also a good choice

    Originally Posted by Abby Gibbs View Post

    Perseverance, interest and eagerness are the things to do to earn money online.
    Thanks Abby - I agree with you!


    Originally Posted by therocsta View Post

    Making money online is about 1 thing - doing it! You can buy all the WSO's you want, you can read all teh threads you want, you can waste days and days on different forums trying to learn about how to do it, but until you actually DO IT, you won't make a cent.

    OP is correct in saying its relatively simply - the most important factor is finding one method / system, and then doing it ALL THE WAY THROUGH - don't try for a day and then give up cos its not working ... you need to work the method / system.

    In other words - never give up - never surrender!!!
    Thanks for this - I agree with you and "never surrender" is actually quite inspiring lol

    Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

    It takes some longer to develop the right mindset to be successful online. Some marketers come out of the gate with it. Others take months or even years. It took me years to develop discipline and the right mindset. Unfortunately it can't be taught. There ARE plenty of systems and tactics that work. Heck, you could build a business around just 1 or 2 tactics. But only those with the right amount of discipline will be able to do them consistently and make them work.
    Yeah I agree with you here also Jason - trust me, my life hasn't all be fun and games - "change comes from within"

    Excellent post and advice

    Originally Posted by True Solution View Post

    Guys I know TG personally - he helped take my page from a few visitors to a few thousand.

    Thanks for this post Steve - It's very helpful to newbies and veterans alike. But I most agree with what some people are saying in this thread: some times it is not the fact that people don't know how - it is that they do not apply the knowledge they have learnt whole heartedly.

    What you've given us here is an excellent system to get anybody making money online - well, an outline anyway - but as you have told me: you can write an entire book, teaching secrets you and insider knowledge which you have, in a single post on a forum - I get that - and can't wait until your "Simple System X" comes out.

    Anyway thanks for the great post - oh and I've made some progress on that project you gave me - I'll talk to you later about it.

    Peace bro,
    Hakim.
    Thanks bro!

    Originally Posted by troy23 View Post

    What do you mean about converting them into FACEBOOK PAGES. Are you saying make each article into a seperate fan page or just post the article on your own fan page wall?

    Also how can you post an article on a forum? I always thought forums were for adding short comments.

    You seemed to have left out keyword research
    Keyword research is the first thing taught by everyone in every flippin' product I've ever bought or received free - forgive me for skipping this.

    Articles can be added to forums - you simply have to be a little creative about how you construct your post.

    Also, with Facebook - I am trying to say use Facebook as a hosting platform which has benefits

    For example: a Blogger blog is simply a free web hosting platform - however you can make a Blogger blog appear to be a website, or a sales page, or a wordpress blog! - but blogger has benefits - it's free and Google loves it.

    The same applies to Facebook.

    Originally Posted by Tek Scavenger View Post

    He left out keyword research because SEO is not a forefront of this plan, it's getting people to follow content from other high traffic sites back to your page.

    I like the outline. Thank you TG! You're right, I have seen this all before (well most), simply not in this direct structure.
    Actually I left out keyword research because I'm sick of it being the first thing taught or spoken about - it drives me mental lol.

    And thanks for the kind words
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  • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
    Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

    I agree with Roger (ExRat) but also think that telling people they should build their business by spamming out regurgitated versions of their articles is really bad advice.

    There's a massive difference between scratching around for some random sales and building a business.

    Both are valid and suitable for different situations/people but don't confuse them as the same thing.
    Thanks for this Andy - my bad if I came across in this way - I simply want some people to start making money, the one's that are stuck.

    Originally Posted by Frank Horton View Post

    You have so many useful points here. I read some of them but you offer more. You truly mastered what you are doing. I will try your methods though.
    Wow thanks for that post Frank

    Give them a go - and feel free to PM me if you need any further help.

    Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

    But there are even more posts about what other people have posted.
    I'm not sure which are worse, the original, or the recycled version.
    LOL.

    The original



    Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

    Sure it is, once you LEARN HOW.



    Some people learn quicker than others. Doesn't immediately mean there's something wrong with them. :rolleyes:
    Alright alright

    Originally Posted by Paleochora View Post

    Yup. Here is a man who could not give a monkeys about what Google are going to do next.

    I would add - make sure you find some innovative ways of collecting e-mails somewhere in the funnel so you can sell to these people all over again in the future.


    Excellent advice


    Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

    Hey Genius, pLEASEEE don't take this the wrong way - but as a genius, you should know the difference between "your" and "you're" - sorry, could not resist - lol

    Great post other than that! :-)
    Shame on you exposing my typo!

    lol just kidding I do that all the time to other people as well.

    Thanks for the kind words


    Originally Posted by Kael41 View Post

    Glad that is working for you, I'd propose another route for people looking to make money with adsense: give valuable content AND structure your site to make people click offsite. Not sure what tier level of adsense earning you are at, but I know a couple of Adsense managers (@ Google) who will initiate a manual review and take a hard look at a site to see if it's a "good" one or a "questionable" one. They will either ban your adsense account or most likely invalidate the ads for your junk site if the site doesn't prove to be one of providing a valuable viewing experience to the end user.

    Take it from someone who has been working the Adsense game now since it was released day one..
    Thank you for this Kael - IMHO I haven't messed with Adsense for a little while now, but what I mentioned in my post was my tactic before and I never received punishment.

    BUT - Warrior's please take advice from Kael as he has more authority to speak on the subject than me!

    Originally Posted by vibharak View Post

    Why should you get links to your website artificially? Are there methods to get traffic naturally over a period of time so that your site is not punished by search engines.

    This kind of traffic will be of good quality and responsive/converting.

    My 2 cents...
    Who said anything about artificially getting links? Sorry, have I missed something?


    Regards all,
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    EDIT: Sorry for the Triple Post - It was necessary to get all the replies in.

    AND: LOL at the forum moaning about me having "27 Images" in my post, when in actual fact they were "quote boxes" - silly vBulletin - this is the reason I had to split my post down into 3 messages!
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    • Profile picture of the author ronaldmd
      Good thread. Your post will help newbies. I even recommended them to visit this thread.

      Originally Posted by Teenage Genius View Post

      There was a point in my life where I just broke down and spent a good few years being a lazy depressed mess (it's hard to explain, heart break at 16, son born at 15, years of fighting in court, the girl I loved telling lies about me - missing my GCSE's even though I was the school's top student - It was all too much!)
      I feel you. I had similar experience.

      Originally Posted by Teenage Genius View Post

      AND: LOL at the forum moaning about me having "27 Images" in my post, when in actual fact they were "quote boxes" - silly vBulletin - this is the reason I had to split my post down into 3 messages!
      The "images" are actually emoticons, not the quote boxes.
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  • Profile picture of the author wildjohnny
    Is that #5 tactic with Facebook Pages really work? How much time you need to promote these FB pages?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kael41
    Facebook pages(or really any web 2.0 properties) work great for viral exposure. I've got a new site built up that automatically posts out stuff to several properties on any new addition to the site. People see my post on facebook, linkedin, twitter, etc and follow up with it by coming back to my site if it interests them.

    Case in point: Seo Tools Universe – The Black Hat, White Hat Tool and Service Directory

    Every new listing that gets posted gets blasted all over the place. Had some traffic come over today from status.net

    Moral of the story is, don't hesitate in using syndication to the web 2.0 platforms. It works.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marcus Robbins
    The secret is definitely just sticking at one thing until it works or until you throw yourself out of a window in frustration.

    Hopefully the money will come first

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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    To be honest- it was easier for me to follow systems before I found the Warrior Forum.

    Once I got here and saw that there are hundreds of different systems people use, it's VERY easy to get overwhelmed or sidetracked.

    Bottom line is that it comes down to 3 things:

    1) Get quality traffic
    2) Collect their emails
    3) Provide value

    Do that, and you can make some $$$
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny GotPaid
      Originally Posted by Justin Stowe View Post

      To be honest- it was easier for me to follow systems before I found the Warrior Forum.

      Once I got here and saw that there are hundreds of different systems people use, it's VERY easy to get overwhelmed or sidetracked.
      I know what you mean, you can literally hear two people given two different answers that directly oppose and contradict each other.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by Justin Stowe View Post

      To be honest- it was easier for me to follow systems before I found the Warrior Forum.

      Once I got here and saw that there are hundreds of different systems people use, it's VERY easy to get overwhelmed or sidetracked.

      Bottom line is that it comes down to 3 things:

      1) Get quality traffic
      2) Collect their emails
      3) Provide value

      Do that, and you can make some $$$
      yes for the right person, this info could take a newbie and make them $500 - $5000 a months. But I underline that word, "Right person"

      Simple always wins this race that is for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author tlrix
    I agree with the thread starter. Making money is easy... all it takes is action!
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    • Profile picture of the author mounds
      The truth is that a lot of people simply want the dream. They don't want the crap that comes in-between, and they don't want to settle for less than riches. Naturally, the guys in the IM niche are going to market products that claim colossal incomes and require hardly any effort.

      It's psychology at it's finest. Here's a recent example:

      I frequent another forum and made a post about how I saved $700 last month by using the principle of pay yourself first and two automatic transfers. My wife and I are both on salary so a bit got skimmed off of each check. It was so effective that my wife didn't even notice I did it . Five minutes, $700 a month for as long as I want to keep it up.

      Will most people now scramble to learn about that principle and set up automatic transfers? Nope. The technique doesn't sell the dream and so, most people don't care.

      I prefer a very structured approach:

      1. Figure out how much money you need to live the life you want. Set your goals from there.

      2. Learn to hang onto the money you have. No amount will ever sate you if you can't handle your cash.

      3. Learn some sales psychology. Learn to sell to others, learn to spot sales techniques. Curbs impulse spending like nothing else.

      4. Figure out what you're good at, what you enjoy, all that jazz. From there, choose a business model.

      5. Learn as you go, researching what you need to know. If you're worried about missing something relevant, set up Google Alerts and check it once a day.

      6. Only buy what you need in order to continue.

      That's my approach. Works for me

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    Thanks man. You saved my time. Definitely I am going to practice it.
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  • Profile picture of the author BabyMama
    This is a very simple and effective method that all newbies or not so newbies that are not making any money can follow.
    It takes work, consistency, and focus to make money online and it is more than possible!
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  • Profile picture of the author warriorjeterboy
    Thanks guys, awesome! You hit me a bit
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  • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
    Once you add the words "work", "determination", "common sense", "plan", and "persistence", you've lost pretty much everyone who makes those posts. Really, there are hundreds of how-to threads on the WF going WAAYYY back that are still solid today and can make you a solid income. Problem is, it won't just create itself, you've got to go out and do it (yeah, like the Nike commercial).
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  • Profile picture of the author Dex88
    Good thread indeed.... lots of good insights here
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  • Profile picture of the author WendyWoudstra
    I would add
    1.5) Put the articles into a powerpoint and upload to slideshare (with embedded links)
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  • Profile picture of the author keepgoin
    Also...Keep overheads low by not buying every WSO out there - the forum is swimming with them! Buy the essentials like domain names and hosting, then keep costs down as much as poss!

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    • Profile picture of the author DavidMoore557
      Wow!

      I've been "studying" IM for years now with slow to NO action on my part. Something always seems to get in the way.

      Now here's a simple plan that takes a lot of what I've been reading and distills it down to something that is workable for me. Thanks for that!

      For the benefit of those who are not convinced of the potential for article marketing, it seems to me that whether the articles get pickedup and read or not, they are a great place to script out what comes next, i.e. videos, podcasts, fanpages and what not.

      Thanks again for a great thread.

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    • Profile picture of the author ryanmilligan
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      Took me a whole year to earn $100.


      I look back at that and think 'Wow I wasted so much time'.

      Wouldn't change it though, I learnt so much I can implement now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny GotPaid
    Very good information!
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  • Profile picture of the author perfectlovehere
    Could even make this better, imo, by sending all traffic to a squeeze page where people can then optin to join your list. That way you can resell to that same traffic possibly multiple times.
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    • Profile picture of the author LauriS
      Very sound advice, TG!

      Love all of your traffic insights, some of those I had never heard of before.

      But I think the clincher is just picking a plan and sticking with the plan. I was going to say finding one, but really, it comes down to picking one.

      Glad to see you were able to make lemonade out of lemons during your difficult time!

      L.
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  • Profile picture of the author plongmire
    Let me add one more, and I think this would go somewhere around the submitting of articles, join active linkedin groups and once your in, go to each group and submit your links to the articles, vids or good content that you write, if it is crappy stuff dont submit, you will only hurt yourself.

    But if you can find niches in there it will do wonders for you. Linkedin drives really solid traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaiganeshv
    People like to complicate things, mess up and finally beginning from scratch

    They like to learn everything and decide which is better, not straightaway doing things, they want interesting things and excuses...

    Above said describes me..
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  • Profile picture of the author Dwight Anthony
    It really does come down to a numbers game of providing good content and more importantly - quality traffic. Without this, you won't convert as well and you'll lose out definitely.

    I've been working on these tactics more and more myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Wilson
    People still think that internet is some kind of a magic place where $5000 in two days can be accomplished easily if knowing the right "secrets".

    The secret is that there are no secrets. Some just do things better than others.
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    • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
      Originally Posted by Daniel Wilson View Post

      People still think that internet is some kind of a magic place where $5000 in two days can be accomplished easily if knowing the right "secrets".
      Is this not the case?!?!

      In all seriousness, I have achieved this feat and it was not difficult. High-Ticket Price Affiliate Product + List = $20,000 in two days.

      (Tristan loved me for it I bet! lol!!)

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  • Profile picture of the author MarketExperience
    Thank you for the traffic generation ideas, there extremely valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author stoogefest
    Cut the patience crap, if you're not getting results soon it means you're doing something wrong.

    Even when your website's a "grower" and requires time to expand, it'll happen in the matter of weeks. If you're stuck on something for more than 1 month with no results, you won't ever get any.
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    • Profile picture of the author perfectlovehere
      Originally Posted by stoogefest View Post

      Cut the patience crap, if you're not getting results soon it means you're doing something wrong.

      Even when your website's a "grower" and requires time to expand, it'll happen in the matter of weeks. If you're stuck on something for more than 1 month with no results, you won't ever get any.
      That's a really good point. If something's not working then somebody should change their approach.
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      • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
        Originally Posted by perfectlovehere View Post

        That's a really good point. If something's not working then somebody should change their approach.

        Albert Einstein (I believe?) once famously said:

        "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results"

        This sums up a large percentage of people unfortunately - those people need to understand that no matter how many times they fail, as long as they track and record their results and make changes in their experiments each time, they will make progression - if they don't then they will simply drive themselves insane, literally!

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  • Profile picture of the author Mauricio Lopez
    When I first decided to get involved with IM - I knew nothing of sorts. (My entire background has always been in Entertainment and Real estate investing) To me it felt like I was looking at a giant puzzle with to many pieces to fit together.

    It certainly wasn't "EASY" as you have discussed in your post - However I will agree that once I started to learn from someone that was already successful with IM - things started to magically make sense and the more and more I did it the better and better I got to the point of making money online.

    In my opinion - if I had to explain my success in IM - I would describe it in these steps:

    1.) Learn from someone success that has done what you want to be doing. (FYI:books, videos, mentorship programs, membership programs, products, etc.)

    2.) Make a list of 10 goals and pick the one you feel would have the greatest impact on your life if you achieved it.

    3.) Create a plan - write down all the things you'll need to achieve your goal

    4.) Work from your goal daily - (TAKE ACTION - START) Do one thing from your list daily and master the skill set. (Even if it takes you 2 to 3 weeks to learn a new traffic technique - master it first - then move on to the next.)

    5.) Repeat - Do it over and over again until you get it right. The sooner you start to get good at one thing - you'll come to find out it will take you less time to learn new techniques.
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    • Profile picture of the author BabyMama
      Originally Posted by Mauricio Lopez View Post

      When I first decided to get involved with IM - I knew nothing of sorts. (My entire background has always been in Entertainment and Real estate investing) To me it felt like I was looking at a giant puzzle with to many pieces to fit together.

      It certainly wasn't "EASY" as you have discussed in your post - However I will agree that once I started to learn from someone that was already successful with IM - things started to magically make sense and the more and more I did it the better and better I got to the point of making money online.

      In my opinion - if I had to explain my success in IM - I would describe it in these steps:

      1.) Learn from someone success that has done what you want to be doing. (FYI:books, videos, mentorship programs, membership programs, products, etc.)

      2.) Make a list of 10 goals and pick the one you feel would have the greatest impact on your life if you achieved it.

      3.) Create a plan - write down all the things you'll need to achieve your goal

      4.) Work from your goal daily - (TAKE ACTION - START) Do one thing from your list daily and master the skill set. (Even if it takes you 2 to 3 weeks to learn a new traffic technique - master it first - then move on to the next.)

      5.) Repeat - Do it over and over again until you get it right. The sooner you start to get good at one thing - you'll come to find out it will take you less time to learn new techniques.
      Some great advice here. Focus and goals are very important. Also planning is essential and should be done whether you are a newbie or an experience marketer. I change my planning a few times per month to keep on track and keep my goals written on the wall infront of my desk
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  • Profile picture of the author PandaPoacher
    I think people tend to look at internet marketing and making money online as an easy means to making money. Personally I feel it's easy, but there are many people who have problems learning it.

    Anyways great tips and I may utilize them sometime in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Msands
    This is quite an interesting view...

    THe most interesting for me is using the tactic of adding junk to your page so users will click the adsense link to get away from your page...a nice trick worth trying...the only thing is the adsense ads won't necessarily be targeted to your niche or topic....OR would it?

    Ima gonna try the traffic builder thing too...It doesn't help to try!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
    IMHO - there seems to be a running concensus that making money is infact easy - all it takes is a little hard graft, self-belief and thinking, testing and tracking for yourself.



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  • Profile picture of the author shawoon98
    I could click the Thanks button only once........so here I thank again......Thank you, Thank you, Thank you......

    You've covered a big report in a few sentences...

    Originally Posted by Teenage Genius View Post


    First of all, you need to master traffic - I will do that for you right now - here is a masterminded plan for gaining traffic:

    1) Write 10 articles and submit them using a submitting service. (Link to your website in the signature)
    2) Convert those articles into video format - submit them. (Link to your website in the description)
    3) Convert tthose articles into .pdf format - submit them to sites like Scribd, GoogleDocs, Torrent sites and the likes. (Link to your website both in the .pdf and in the signature.
    4) Convert those articles into podcasts - submit them.
    5) Convert those articles into FACEBOOK PAGES* - (Teenage Genius secret tactic - you heard it here first!!!)
    6) Convert those articles into forum posts - post them on on-topic forums. (Link in your signature).

    This shouldn't actually take you that long - and - you only gain speed with practice.

    Now - those 10 original articles - spin them and repeat the process!
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    • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
      Originally Posted by shawoon98 View Post

      I could click the Thanks button only once........so here I thank again......Thank you, Thank you, Thank you......

      You've covered a big report in a few sentences...
      Thank you bro
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    Do people actually watch text-based videos??!?!
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    • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
      Originally Posted by nicnac03 View Post

      Do people actually watch text-based videos??!?!
      Yes.

      In my experience it is all about the music in text based videos - along with, of course, a good gripping start - short questions for example.

      There is also a document famous in psychology circles which is called a "Barnem Statement" which is essentially a document which actually refers to "anyone" but makes the reader feel as if it is relating to them directly - the statement will says things like: "You are very extroverted in your approach at times and at others very introverted" - which of course applies to everybody in the world! - This is a good area of study to look at if your going to be using text based videos.

      Regards,
      TG.


      P.S - I was only ranting to begin with, but I am glad so many people found my post helpful.
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    This is brilliant Teenage Genius! Brilliant!!
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  • Profile picture of the author jerry25
    That is my downfall...not buying all the WSO's out there. I am going to stick to the absolute necessities, follow this marketing plan and kick up the sales!
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  • Profile picture of the author sprice
    Great post. This is very true, most people are just too lazy to put the work into making money online. It's really not a hard process at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
      Originally Posted by DavidMoore557 View Post

      Wow!

      I've been "studying" IM for years now with slow to NO action on my part. Something always seems to get in the way.

      Now here's a simple plan that takes a lot of what I've been reading and distills it down to something that is workable for me. Thanks for that!

      For the benefit of those who are not convinced of the potential for article marketing, it seems to me that whether the articles get pickedup and read or not, they are a great place to script out what comes next, i.e. videos, podcasts, fanpages and what not.

      Thanks again for a great thread.

      -DaveMike
      Dave you've identified the main problem: you need to take action! - be fearless in your approach because whether you succeed or fail first time, you will undoubtedly learn something of use.

      And as your second point: yes, articles are a great way of scripting the rest of your marketing efforts. I honestly find that articles alone are simply not enough - well - writing and submitting to EZA for example - but even if you don't make videos and podcasts from your articles; forum posts and facebook pages are sufficient to drive some really high quality traffic your way.

      TG

      Originally Posted by sprice View Post

      Great post. This is very true, most people are just too lazy to put the work into making money online. It's really not a hard process at all.
      Thank you

      And, I find the same thing! - I am guessing that this is because when people "work" in brick and mortar businesses they are commanded and pressured into doing their duties (and even then, some are still lazy and sluggish about it!) - but truth be told these people need to learn what I call the "secret to life" which is: You need to put something in to get something out!

      Also, weird enough, I find some of my best work comes between midnight and 5 in the morning! I find that during this time there is no distractions for me and I can simply work away - maybe this would help some people who, for whatever reason, can't bring themselves to put in more than a few hours work.

      IMHO - It is very easy online to earn £1,000 in less than 24 hours. This does take time to reach this level of reputation and skill however, but even still: this should be a motivation for people to get working because I know a lot of people that don't even make this amount in a month! working a 9-5 job! - even if you worked 72hours, or even a whole week to earn you £1,000, you are still earning 4x as much more than most people in 1/4 of the time!


      Also - there have been a lot of thank you posts and I am saying thank you for your thank you's - but, if anybody has any questions please don't hesitate to ask them here in the thread and I will do my best to answer them for you.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kysaan
    Originally Posted by Teenage Genius View Post

    Seriously, I am annoyed.

    I always browse these forums to keep an eye on how the young warriors are doing and to check up on what the veterans are pushing.

    Well...

    Just lately I have seen way too many posts that go something like this:

    "I've been doing this for XX Months / XX Years now and I still haven't made any money - well, I made one sale, months ago, blah blah blah"

    Honestly...

    WTF is wrong with you?!?!

    Making money online is easy - it is very simple in both theory and application, all that is needed is a little hard graft and some patience.

    Let me explain something to you:

    Most of the "systems" do work.

    Most of the "systems" are essentially the same, or very similar - there are about 10 different ones and a million spins on the those 10.

    The simplest and easiest fomula for making money online is this:

    "Traffic x Pre-Sale (or conversion tactic) = Profit"

    Furthermore, there is a better formula:

    "Traffic x Pre-Sale x Back-End Sale = More Profit"


    Now please excuse my mood - I'm ranting as you can see, but let me explain this clearly....

    First of all, you need to master traffic - I will do that for you right now - here is a masterminded plan for gaining traffic:

    1) Write 10 articles and submit them using a submitting service. (Link to your website in the signature)
    2) Convert those articles into video format - submit them. (Link to your website in the description)
    3) Convert tthose articles into .pdf format - submit them to sites like Scribd, GoogleDocs, Torrent sites and the likes. (Link to your website both in the .pdf and in the signature.
    4) Convert those articles into podcasts - submit them.
    5) Convert those articles into FACEBOOK PAGES* - (Teenage Genius secret tactic - you heard it here first!!!)
    6) Convert those articles into forum posts - post them on on-topic forums. (Link in your signature).

    This shouldn't actually take you that long - and - you only gain speed with practice.

    Now - those 10 original articles - spin them and repeat the process!


    Furthermore now all you need to master is conversion tactics.

    Therefore let me tell you a law which I have discovered though trial and error:

    "If you are converting people to click adSense add's - do NOT put "valuable" content on your page, put adSense links and a load of junk so that people click the adSense to navigate away from your page"

    "If your converting people to buy Clickbank products - pre-sell them with a sly sales copy"

    Simples.

    There is of course more to this than meets the eye - but this basic formula is more than enough to get you making money NOW!

    So stop messing about with whatever non-sense you are currently doing to not earn you money.


    Regards,
    Sorry for ranting

    TG.
    I like your rant
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  • Profile picture of the author just Zer0
    Awesome post. This is what makes WF WF!

    Thanks for sharing this, I'm sure it will help many users of the board.

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    • Profile picture of the author Teenage Genius
      Originally Posted by just Zer0 View Post

      Awesome post. This is what makes WF WF!

      Thanks for sharing this, I'm sure it will help many users of the board.

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  • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
    Want to know the real reason most folks never make money online? It has less to do with what they're doing than what they're thinking. Most folks just don't believe it can be done. They try something just long enough to prove that that particular method doesn't work. Then they go on to something else. The truth of the matter is most things actually work...if you do!
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  • Profile picture of the author Goatboy
    Where do you get the music for these text videos? And, are there any available on YouTube, I would like to see one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Osman_M
    Its amazing how taking it back to the basics can fix many problems. With all these WSO's nowadays people get lost and on a broader level loose out on the simplicity of the internet. Traffic is everywhere you just have to get in front of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peeps66
    Originally Posted by Teenage Genius View Post

    1) Write 10 articles and submit them using a submitting service. (Link to your website in the signature)
    Any suggestions to which submission directories to use? Are automatic ones OK? How many directories are we talking about?

    Can we have another rant Teenage Genius? I like your rants!

    Peeps
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