I need your advise about what should i do?

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Hi Friends,
I have a fiverr client which ordered few of my gigs and i completed them on time and as per her requirement. Now the issue is i am from India and she is from Sweden. She is impressed by my work and now she is offering me to work with her and asking me my charges for 40 hours a week.

As i have not done anything like this before i mean working with someone who is from another country. I am interested in working with her but i want your suggestion about what should i do and what should be my next step. Also i don't have idea about how much i should charge.

Ajay
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  • Profile picture of the author BrainCopy
    Originally Posted by ajaykt View Post

    Hi Friends,
    I have a fiverr client which ordered few of my gigs and i completed them on time and as per her requirement. Now the issue is i am from India and she is from Sweden. She is impressed by my work and now she is offering me to work with her and asking me my charges for 40 hours a week.

    As i have not done anything like this before i mean working with someone who is from another country. I am interested in working with her but i want your suggestion about what should i do and what should be my next step. Also i don't have idea about how much i should charge.

    Ajay
    Hi Ajay,

    One problem with what I see in this situation is this.
    Your work has been through fiverr, meaning that you
    completed a job for $5 - so you already have some what
    of a precieved value of what your work is worth.
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  • Profile picture of the author Elion Makkink
    Also, make sure you sign a contract or an upfront payment (half of the job) so you are assured to have work and not getting scammed.
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  • Profile picture of the author xohaibx
    Hey Ajay,

    Indians have always been great when it comes to freelancing, no wonder this opportunity dropped into your kitty

    Coming to your confusion:

    Go ahead and take a leap of faith. Don't worry about how things will turn out to be. The best way is to take the plunge and let things shape up. The fear of unknown should NOT stop you.

    Here's my advice:
    • Talk to your client about how things can be worked out as he can propose a solution too. Don't be afraid to do so.
    • Sign up with oDesk and ask your client to do so as well. They've got an amazing system in place where everything can be tracked. You and your client will find a comfortable environment to work in.
    • Have you added him/her to your Skype? If not, then do so because building a relationship with your client is important.
    • As far as your charges are concerned - it depends on what service you're offering. So ask yourself - what are you worth? How much value can give? Can you actually deliver what you say? Based on that, come up with an appropriate charge.
    • Research around sites like oDesk, Elance, Getafreelancer and get an idea as to how the other guys within your niche are doing. You'll get an understanding of what they charge, the kind of projects they are doing, etc.
    • Last but not the least; whatever you do - don't undervalue your skills. Ask the price that you deserve. Don't work for cheap when you can give value.

    Hope that helps! All the best

    - Mustafa
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    • Profile picture of the author Ajay Tiwari
      Originally Posted by Anthony La Tour View Post

      Hi Ajay,

      One problem with what I see in this situation is this.
      Your work has been through fiverr, meaning that you
      completed a job for $5 - so you already have some what
      of a precieved value of what your work is worth.
      I was thinking about that only that is why i was a bit confused...

      Originally Posted by Elion Makkink View Post

      Also, make sure you sign a contract or an upfront payment (half of the job) so you are assured to have work and not getting scammed.
      Thanks Buddy, i will definitely keep it in mind and do the same..

      Originally Posted by Mustafa Khundmiri View Post

      Hey Ajay,

      Indians have always been great when it comes to freelancing, no wonder this opportunity dropped into your kitty

      Coming to your confusion:

      Go ahead and take a leap of faith. Don't worry about how things will turn out to be. The best way is to take the plunge and let things shape up. The fear of unknown should NOT stop you.

      Here's my advice:
      • Talk to your client about how things can be worked out as he can propose a solution too. Don't be afraid to do so.
      • Sign up with oDesk and ask your client to do so as well. They've got an amazing system in place where everything can be tracked. You and your client will find a comfortable environment to work in.
      • Have you added him/her to your Skype? If not, then do so because building a relationship with your client is important.
      • As far as your charges are concerned - it depends on what service you're offering. So ask yourself - what are you worth? How much value can give? Can you actually deliver what you say? Based on that, come up with an appropriate charge.
      • Research around sites like oDesk, Elance, Getafreelancer and get an idea as to how the other guys within your niche are doing. You'll get an understanding of what they charge, the kind of projects they are doing, etc.
      • Last but not the least; whatever you do - don't undervalue your skills. Ask the price that you deserve. Don't work for cheap when you can give value.

      Hope that helps! All the best

      - Mustafa
      Mustafa thank you very much for giving me nice ideas and advice i will keep them in mind. At this moment i have asked for work profile as she have not explained it briefly. After receiving response from her i will move ahead as per your & Elion's advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dimian
    proceed with caution and have a good safe check in place - i've been ripped off by a similar situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anang Andriana
    Take this opportunity and do not be fooled Ajay. Get your payment first and show your skill to her. So its win- wins solution.
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
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    • Profile picture of the author Ajay Tiwari
      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      I normally would not take such a job because it will be just like having a regular Job and take up all your time, but if you need the money I would charge at least $2,500 per 40 hour week.

      Most likely she will not go for it because being that your from India, she probably thinks that she can get you cheap but remember that your time and knowledge is valuable.

      -Joseph
      Joseph, as an indian charging $2,500 for 40 hours per week will be overprice, because in India only very high profiled peoples of big companies earn that much. As a freelancer i can charge her in the range of $300 to $500 per week which means your weekly charge is higher than my monthly charge.

      (The reason behind my charges are low is $1(US Currency) is equal to Rs. 49 (Indian Currency). So if i will charge $500 a week that means i am earning Rs. 24500 a week & around Rs. 100,000 monthly which is a real big amount for any middle class family in India.)

      I hope you got the idea why Indian's are cheap, it is all money rating game. .
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    • Profile picture of the author xohaibx
      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      I normally would not take such a job because it will be just like having a regular Job and take up all your time, but if you need the money I would charge at least $2,500 per 40 hour week.

      Most likely she will not go for it because being that your from India, she probably thinks that she can get you cheap but remember that your time and knowledge is valuable.

      -Joseph
      That didn't make any sense to me. How is it like having a regular "job" when he's in fact working with a client on a project basis (short term OR long term)? He probably isn't going to get tied down the way it happens in a 9 to 5 job. He can work with other clients as well if he wants.

      Also, he's already on Fiverr - so that obviously means that he needs the money, right?

      And how did you come up with a "$2,500" figure per 40 hours/week without knowing the needs of his clients and the nature of the work?

      Although I do agree with you when it comes to not undervaluing your skills and working for too cheap. You should know your worth and not be afraid to charge a good price.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ajay Tiwari
        Originally Posted by Mustafa Khundmiri View Post

        That didn't make any sense to me. How is it like having a regular "job" when he's in fact working with a client on a project basis (short term OR long term)? He probably isn't going to get tied down the way it happens in a 9 to 5 job. He can work with other clients as well if he wants.

        Also, he's already on Fiverr - so that obviously means that he needs the money, right?

        And how did you come up with a "$2,500" figure per 40 hours/week without knowing the needs of his clients and the nature of the work?

        Although I do agree with you when it comes to not undervaluing your skills and working for too cheap. You should know your worth and not be afraid to charge a good price.
        Mustafa actually she want me to work on BMD, SENuke, Linksleuth kinda softwares. And it is not that hard to work on such softwares as most of the features are in-build and work auto-pilot. So i believe charging $2.500 per week is very high value for such work. What do you say?
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        • Profile picture of the author xohaibx
          Originally Posted by ajaykt View Post

          Mustafa actually she want me to work on BMD, SENuke, Linksleuth kinda softwares. And it is not that hard to work on such softwares as most of the features are in-build and work auto-pilot. So i believe charging $2.500 per week is very high value for such work. What do you say?
          Yup, that's pretty high for submission work!

          What you charge should be based on the skills, the value you bring to the table. Why do you think a cardiologist gets paid MUCH, MUCH more than a general physician?

          The more specialized the job is, the higher the pay.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Kelly
    Hi Ajay,

    Careful to not contravene the TOS for fiverr. That said, if this is a decent contract for this individual in Sweden you may just not need them anymore!

    You have obviously impressed this potential contact (potential 'contract'), so don't undersell yourself, but at the same time don't overprice such that you become out of their ball-park!

    cheers, Patrick
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    • Profile picture of the author Ajay Tiwari
      Originally Posted by Patrick Kelly View Post

      Hi Ajay,

      Careful to not contravene the TOS for fiverr. That said, if this is a decent contract for this individual in Sweden you may just not need them anymore!

      You have obviously impressed this potential contact (potential 'contract'), so don't undersell yourself, but at the same time don't overprice such that you become out of their ball-park!

      cheers, Patrick
      Yes Patrick, actually that pricing confused me i mean i want to charge her as per the market situation, the value which i deserve for my work. No Undersell no overprice.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustLight
    Get all the information that is required for you to do the job. Then since you have already done some work for her on fiverr, she may expect to get you at a cheaper rate than what she is expending on fiverr. You know how long it take to get the job done on fiverr, then then you have to translate that into (cost per hour) to know how much it cost you per hour to do that job. You can charge probably 4X or 3X the the said amount. If she really like your service, she will take the offer. Also make sure you collect at least 50% of your weekly pay upfront in other not to be scammed.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheHotChick
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    Well congrats on finding someone who wants to work with you. Hopefully she doesn't turn out to be a flake. I've wasted hours of time in the past making arrangements with people only to get nothing out of it. Like everyone else already suggested, just make sure you get at least 50% up front. I would also watermark my work & only send the final copy after the remaining 50% is received with payment confirmation.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
    Just be careful about billing straight through PayPal. They have NO protection for sellers of digital goods and services. I had them yank several thousand dollars out of my account because a scammer told them I did not deliver. Even with all the paperwork, my money was still gone. Just make sure you have confirmations of work delivered and confirmations of work satisfaction (ie. make her email you after each assignment telling you that the work was provided and that it was satisfactory to her). Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yoong
    Hi there,

    I would say set up an Odesk profile and let her pay you through there. The feedback gained from there can be valuable in getting future jobs from other clients.

    Good luck and well done,

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Ajay, Good Luck with the outcome. I think you're taking steps steps in the right direction. The fact that someone wants more of your work, your time, and is willing to negotiate payment says something positive is headed your way.

    Naturally, business in any form includes risk. Walking in the rain can get you struck by lightning too, but I would focus on the positive. Worst case scenario, your out 40 hours of work. Best case scenario, she pays, you continue to deliver, word spreads and before you know it; you're negotiating new terms as the demand for your skills will increase.

    I have experienced this offline, and am building my foundations now to create a similar mindset online. YES, there will always be those without conscience, ethics, or principles, and who'll rip you off. I do believe in cautioning oneself, but not to the point of "paranoia" or that of avoiding risk altogether. 9 out of 10 times if you deliver on your promises, you'll succeed!

    As far as the $2,500 per week, that's my goal... but, I expect it will take some time to establish that kind of income, and $1,200 -$2,000 per month sounds like it will gain you some great advantages based on the value per dollar as explained above. Heck, that's good money here in America for someone working at home.

    Do follow up, I'd be curious to see how it plays out for you.

    All the Best,

    Art
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    • Profile picture of the author Ajay Tiwari
      Originally Posted by art72 View Post

      Ajay, Good Luck with the outcome. I think you're taking steps steps in the right direction. The fact that someone wants more of your work, your time, and is willing to negotiate payment says something positive is headed your way.

      Naturally, business in any form includes risk. Walking in the rain can get you struck by lightning too, but I would focus on the positive. Worst case scenario, your out 40 hours of work. Best case scenario, she pays, you continue to deliver, word spreads and before you know it; you're negotiating new terms as the demand for your skills will increase.

      I have experienced this offline, and am building my foundations now to create a similar mindset online. YES, there will always be those without conscience, ethics, or principles, and who'll rip you off. I do believe in cautioning oneself, but not to the point of "paranoia" or that of avoiding risk altogether. 9 out of 10 times if you deliver on your promises, you'll succeed!

      As far as the $2,500 per week, that's my goal... but, I expect it will take some time to establish that kind of income, and $1,200 -$2,000 per month sounds like it will gain you some great advantages based on the value per dollar as explained above. Heck, that's good money here in America for someone working at home.

      Do follow up, I'd be curious to see how it plays out for you.

      All the Best,

      Art
      Thanks Art for the encouragement to think positive way. I will definitely let you all know how things are working with me.
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  • Profile picture of the author dms321
    If your assumption is that your client can get hourly rates on

    odesk, then I guess you need to correlate your decisions with

    that.

    Each project is different. You might consider braking the

    project in several steps and evaluate your payments with the

    client after each step.

    Another thing is whether you want connect and be paid directly by

    the client or via fiverr or odesk. That I do not know. I would

    probably ask other fiverr or odesk people who sell their services

    on those sites.

    Al the best to you!
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