ooo, someone wants to advertise on my site... 1st time, how much?

by thedog
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Hi guys.

I got an email from one of my early amazon review sites, from someone looking to advertise on it.

The site get roughly 1000 visits a month... not really a lot...

It gets very little revenue from amazon, as I haven't bothered with it too much... it was an early attempt... targeted info keywords, doh!

Anyway... should I stick a banner on here... and if so, how much do you think I should ask for?
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Wilson
    Ask for a very high price and then negotiate. They'll probably just want a text-based advertisement.
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    • Profile picture of the author thedog
      Originally Posted by Daniel Wilson View Post

      Ask for a very high price and then negotiate. They'll probably just want a text-based advertisement.
      $1,000,000?

      But seriously, I have no idea... Lets see, I'm gonna pull this figure out of my a$$

      $200 a month for a text link & $300 for a small banner?
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  • Profile picture of the author dugu56
    If you ask too much than you might not get anything at all, as not everyone likes negotiating.
    If I were you I'd ask something like $7.50 per text link and $10 per banner. If you have many sites, offer these as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    I usually get offered something like $50 or $60 a year. Seems to be fairly standard for lower traffic sites. Some I accept, some I reject.
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  • Profile picture of the author jaggyjay
    $10 to $20 a month for a Text Link add is reasonable depending on the Page Rank of the page.

    Also, assume your buyer already knows how much traffic you get, what your Page Rank(s) are and what to pay for a text link/banner ad more or less.

    If you ask for too high a price - then that just may reveal your lack of experience in this area. If you ask too low a price - then you leave money on the table.

    If the buyer is trying to buy banner ad space, then he or she will probably already know that such media buys are based on CPM (cost per thousand).

    And as your site only gets about 1000 visits a month anyway, selling a banner ad won't be as financially beneficial to you.

    Also, Banner CPM rates nowadays are somewhat pathetic at $2 - $3 per thousand - based on my experience - and depending on the industry the buyer wants to advertise for. By the way, I have a high traffic site and I'm happy to sometimes get as much as $5 CPM -- but that is across hundreds of thousands of impressions so it's worthwhile

    So, what to do? Selling a text link ad at $10 to $20 a month ($120 - $240 a year) may be your best bet.

    And if you're up to it, start building dozens and even hundreds of easy-to-build and easy-to-maintain sites. Soon enough, you'll have your own mini network pulling in millions of impressions a month.

    Then get Open X or any other free media/banner ad management software and install it on your site. The software will handle ad rotations and other aspects of running your network. At that time you can sell ad space for much more at $1500+ per advertiser. And even at $3 CPM - 10 advertisers can get you $15K a month just for delivering 500,000 impressions

    Ok, sorry for getting long-winded. Hope you've found this helpful.

    Best!
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  • Profile picture of the author onegoodman
    wow warriors prices for advertising sounds over priced.

    1000 visitor a month are not much, If he going for small banned $5 - $10 a month (something like 125 x 125)
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    negotiate with them make them make the first offer, then whatever they say say no and doube it, you should be able to rest somewhere in the middle. It's worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author SerenityS
    I got one, too. They want to advertise on my site for 150$...for a year!
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    • Profile picture of the author condra
      Rate must go hand in hand with traffic. I was struggling to see why someone would contact anyone about advertising on a quiet old site, and I guess its possible that someone would "get the impression" that a site is more successful than it really is.

      More likely though. Someone is sending the same message to multiple people, hoping to get a few cheap and cheerful links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Top Dog Marketer
    Offer them a banner or side display slot for a flat fee. Show them a google traffic report if they want, otherwise basd off of 1k visits a month I'd say charge $100 or less.

    To be honest though, if it's an experienced marketer, like if I was negotiating with you, I'd offer you $40 flat to start.

    I know that's not as high a number as you wanted to hear, but if they are not an experienced marketer then just shoot for $100.
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  • Profile picture of the author colinph970
    I suggest $30 a month, with discount for 6 month term and larger discount for 12 month term. Say, $150 for 6 months and $290 for a year.
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    • Profile picture of the author condra
      30 dollars a month for an ad on a site that gets 1000 hits a month...

      With all due respect, That is utter insanity IMO.

      For an ad on a site that gets 1000 hits a month, I would be prepared to pay maybe 30 dollars for a whole year, if the site was relevant to one of my ventures and traffic was targetted.

      One of my websites gets around 1000 hits a month. If someone offered me 30 dollars a month to advertise on that site, I would bite their arm off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    Call me paranoid but my scamometer is hitting 10. Why would someone be seeking you out for a site that only gets 1,000 visitors A MONTH?
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    • Profile picture of the author cashcow
      Originally Posted by Marhelper View Post

      Call me paranoid but my scamometer is hitting 10. Why would someone be seeking you out for a site that only gets 1,000 visitors A MONTH?
      It's actually quite common. I have quite a few sites that people advertise on that get only 1000 visitors a month. They are looking for a back link and generally want a site that has lots of diverse links to it.

      I usually charge $10 - $20 a month for a link.

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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        I'd suggest you go in with a suitable offer.

        If you quote high, you can have the person dissapear and lose interest in the click of a mouse. They don't always reply to say "no".
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      • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
        Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

        It's actually quite common. I have quite a few sites that people advertise on that get only 1000 visitors a month. They are looking for a back link and generally want a site that has lots of diverse links to it.

        I usually charge $10 - $20 a month for a link.

        Lee
        Wow. Did not know that. I guess I need to be more proactive as far as advertising is concerned.
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    • Profile picture of the author SteveDolan
      Originally Posted by Marhelper View Post

      Call me paranoid but my scamometer is hitting 10. Why would someone be seeking you out for a site that only gets 1,000 visitors A MONTH?

      Me too. I've had quite a few of these and none have panned out. Usually on my older sites with 1k - 2k visitors per month. If you reply all you get is a huge influx of junk mail (or they spoof the domain name and send out TONS of spam).

      I hope it's a genuine offer, and TBH with such a small amount of visitors I'd offer $40 - $60 flat fee per year. Even at $40 you're still ahead of the game so why turn away free money?
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      • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
        Originally Posted by SteveDolan View Post

        Me too. I've had quite a few of these and none have panned out. Usually on my older sites with 1k - 2k visitors per month. If you reply all you get is a huge influx of junk mail (or they spoof the domain name and send out TONS of spam).

        I hope it's a genuine offer, and TBH with such a small amount of visitors I'd offer $40 - $60 flat fee per year. Even at $40 you're still ahead of the game so why turn away free money?
        I've had several offers like this and they have all panned out except for one and that I turned down because the offer was too low - only about a tenth of what another company was already paying me. Usually it's SEO companies looking for text links for big companies and the amounts vary.

        For a site getting 1000 vistors a month I would expect about $100-$150 a year.
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        • Profile picture of the author condra
          Rather than make a new thread, I thought I would pose this quick question here.

          What is the best way to proove traffic stats? Does Google Analytics have some sort of third party log-in feature?
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  • Profile picture of the author pacelattin
    Unfortunately quite a few people who "Reach out" to advertise on small sites are very much like street walkers. They will screw you and give you a virus.

    Be very careful about what you do, what you put on your page, how you get paid.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I recently sold two text links, one for $285 a year and the other for $480 a year. Neither are on prominent pages, but are on pages with content relevant to the advertisers. That's one factor in the price.

    Another factor is if they want "do-follow" links or not. If not, a lower price is warranted because you're not giving up any link juice to them. If they want the link juice for the search engine benefit, then a higher price is warranted. That's the second factor in price.

    The links I sold are on a PR5 site. That costs more than links on a site with a lower PR value. That's the third price factor.

    Then there is number of visitors, and you said your site is getting about 1,000 a month. My site is getting about 55,000 a month. That's a BIG difference, and another price factor.

    Figure out the price you'd be happy with, and then add some onto it to give yourself some negotiating room if you tell them your asking price. I like to let the buyer make the first offer. I'll tell them something like this:
    I'm not too keen on selling ad space, but I'm always willing to listen. I suggest you make your best offer first.
    Depending on how much the offer is, I'll either accept it, counteroffer, or tell them they're not in the ballpark.

    Sometimes telling them they're not in the ballpark will bring in a much better offer. The last time I did that the company's agent doubled the offer. I still turned them down though. The offer was good enough, but I didn't want to advertise for the site she represented (which wasn't disclosed until we agreed on a price).
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  • Profile picture of the author munchsoul
    Yeah, becareful on what sites you advertise. Their ads must complement your site as well. Otherwise your potential customers on your own site may be put off or confused on what the actual content of your site is really about.

    For low traffic sites such as yours, $5-15/month is around the average.

    Just make sure that they send you an image ( if they want an image/banner ad) and not a link to an image, as they have the possibility of changing the image at a later point without your consent which may end up damaging your traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author JerrickYeoh
    Between $200 to $400 is more than enough while your traffic only 1k per month . Even all traffic is quality and unique traffic but the traffic amount still low.
    Ask for more when you get more traffics.
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    • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
      Being realistic, many of the advertisers are more interested in relevance and PR than traffic. Most of them want dofollow text links for the link juice - that's at your own risk. Some are happy to pay lower prices for nofollow ads on higher traffic sites but that's been the minority for me.
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      • Profile picture of the author thedog
        Hi guys, quick update, they offered $50 for a link on an internal page, that gets little traffic.

        I asked for $65 and they accepted... happy with that... this is one of my early amazon attempts... so, it does't bring in too much revenue.

        Thanks warriors.
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        • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
          Originally Posted by thedog View Post

          Hi guys, quick update, they offered $50 for a link on an internal page, that gets little traffic.

          I asked for $65 and they accepted... happy with that... this is one of my early amazon attempts... so, it does't bring in too much revenue.

          Thanks warriors.
          That's good, when I get inside page advertisers they sometimes come back and ask to pay for links on other pages too. If it's an SEO company possibly for a different advertiser.

          I always let the SEO companies know that I have other sites in that niche or in different niches. You work efficiantly with them they come back for more because it makes their job easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author marcans2011
    Well, just give a fair price. It is good to help others.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeeSharp
    Yeah I guess 65 is a good price for your site but you should try to expand and ask for more when your site gets more visitors.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Honestly?

    For 60$ a month I wouldn't login to the site to put the damn banner. Unless he sells peanuts, and even with 1K visitors per month, that customer will rank good profit from the investment. So why bother selling short?

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  • Profile picture of the author Webkingseo
    yes you have to go for it....
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    • Profile picture of the author thedog
      It's weird, I haven't done anything with the site for ages... and it's my first site to move up to PR 1.

      Incedently, the page he wanted the link on was also PR 1.

      I have no idea how PR is calculated.... as this page is no more special than my other internal pages..... and doesn't get as much visits.

      Anyway, $65 in the pocket, nice.

      Cheers guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThunderC
    i got a bunch of micro niche sites, getting 200-500 unique/month, and i got paid text links on almost all of them, at a 30$/month average, all on "paypal subscription" so it doesn't really matter, i would have sold them even for 10$/month, as i don't do any work on these sites, and it adds up to the adsense income
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  • Profile picture of the author JCorp
    Great for you. The transaction seemed to go quick and smoothly...hope you get future offers as well!
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    • Profile picture of the author condra
      Man, well done. Cash flow is cash flow!
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      • Profile picture of the author thedog
        And it's happened again.... not sure how they're finding my adsense sites... this one is in the travel niche... and I've all but given up on it...

        They want to put a banner ad on. I asked them how much, but they sent me a list of banner sizes, 160x600, 240x400, 300x250, 336x280, 468x60, 728x90... and asked how much per month.

        I guess it'll vary for position and ad size, but for the 728x90, on the top of the site... $15 per month?
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        • Profile picture of the author condra
          Originally Posted by thedog View Post

          And it's happened again....

          I guess it'll vary for position and ad size, but for the 728x90, on the top of the site... $15 per month?
          That's a huge amount of screen real estate.
          Are you talking about having that ad on every page?

          How many unique visitors does the site/homepage get per month?
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          • Profile picture of the author thedog
            Originally Posted by condra View Post

            That's a huge amount of screen real estate.
            Are you talking about having that ad on every page?

            How many unique visitors does the site/homepage get per month?
            That's the funny part... last month it only had 25 visitors.

            I was getting a lot more than that a few months ago, but gave up on the site.

            So, I've no problem with a huge banner if they're willing to pay for it.
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        • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
          Originally Posted by thedog View Post

          And it's happened again.................. I asked them how much, but they sent me a list of banner sizes, 160x600, 240x400, 300x250, 336x280, 468x60, 728x90.
          That's a scam. You'll be asked to install a plug-in - what it does is up for debate, but the agencies are all fake, all using the same cloned site and all recently registered.

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          Scroll down and read the comments.
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          • Profile picture of the author thedog
            Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

            That's a scam. You'll be asked to install a plug-in - what it does is up for debate, but the agencies are all fake, all using the same cloned site and all recently registered.

            Martin Dumont « Keep Safe On The Net

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            Maybe, but a week ago I sold a contextual link for $65... I can see it in my paypal account, says it'll clear on the 23rd... lets hope it does.
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            • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
              Originally Posted by thedog View Post

              Maybe, but a week ago I sold a contextual link for $65... I can see it in my paypal account, says it'll clear on the 23rd... lets hope it does.
              There's a BIG difference between someone who emails you asking to place a contextual link and someone who leaves a random comment on your blog, claiming to represent a major company, using a cloned, fake site on a recently set up domain name.

              I'm sure you can see the difference, really. At least, I hope you can.
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              • Profile picture of the author thedog
                Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

                There's a BIG difference between someone who emails you asking to place a contextual link and someone who leaves a random comment on your blog, claiming to represent a major company, using a cloned, fake site on a recently set up domain name.

                I'm sure you can see the difference, really. At least, I hope you can.
                They didn't leave a random comment, they emailed me.
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        • Profile picture of the author whland
          Originally Posted by thedog View Post

          I guess it'll vary for position and ad size, but for the 728x90, on the top of the site... $15 per month?
          I'd say that's a fair price. Congrats on the $65.00

          It's always nice to have money in your pocket.

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  • Profile picture of the author Gaz Cooper
    Just be careful Dog there is a big scam going around.

    There is NO REASON for you to install anything on your site for an advertiser if they ask you to install anything on your site to track impressions run a mile.

    Kickin it on Amazon

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  • Profile picture of the author ampeculiar
    Insightful comments!....I am working towards having ads on my site in the near future. Will definitely bear all these in mind.
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