So Anik's launch did only $400K so far...?

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Just saw the JV email sent out by Anik.

Seems like the launch did rather dismal, pulling in only $400K rev, in spite of the scale of production that went into the sales video.

What do you think?
#main internet marketing discussion forum #$400k #anik #launch
  • Only $400k????

    I have no idea what launch you're talking about, but if Anik and company are complaining about that amount, they need a serious attitude adjustment.

    Especially in this economy.

    Michelle
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    • My thoughts exactly. Bless their little cotton socks.
    • It's the Lethal Commission launch. They probably put in the greatest effort in the production of the sales video compared to those of any other Clickbank launches. They did the sales video 'movie-like'. But I'm not sure if they got 'movie-like' returns. $400k rev is typical of most Clickbank launches...
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  • So $400K was the revenue.. How much did they spend
    in creating the product?

    Karan
  • $400K rev is pretty meaningless without knowing what the profit is.
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    :rolleyes:Yeah ... that's really dismal. I feel for him.:rolleyes:
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  • The question is how much profit is in for Anik from those $400k of revenue... since it's probably an expensive launch, maybe there isn't a lot of profit there... although it's hard to believe that since we are actually talking about $400k here
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    • From $400k revenue, he'll be unlikely to end up with any
      more than $120k once affiliate commissions, merchant
      account fees and refunds are taken into account.

      Plus there's the expenses for the movie trailer production
      too.

      Revenue is vanity and profits are sanity.

      Dedicated to mutual success,

      Shaun
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    • Just to fill those in that are not familiar with this launch Anik produced a complete Bollywood movie and I mean a real movie, he held a premiere red carpet event in Las Vegas for top JV partners and the trailer was circulated from there.

      Then there is the full movie production, I saw Cars exploding Bollywood actors and actresses, full blown movie sets, Helicopters etc, I would expect Anik is in the hole if he only pulled in 400K from what he said his last launch did 2.5 Million so I am sure 400K is surely a disappointment for him.


      Kickin it on Amazon

      Gaz Cooper
      Amz Training Academy
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  • I'm new to this forum. And try to support Anik new launch. It's must be pretty awesome prosuct he had there. The movie itself must cost him not less than few hundreds of thousands. His projected return must be in a million or two for this week launch, otherwise the big-budgeted sales movie isn't working as it should be, to convert sales and attracts people to at least have a peek in the product itself. Hope the product is good.
  • Please can someone send me the link of the video page, i want to watch it
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    • Its called Lethal Commission just do the obvious

      Gaz
  • Immortals - Official Trailer [HD] - YouTube


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    • Well, it's true that revenue and profit are all relative.

      Even if Anik IS in the hole (quite possible), he can look at it as a loss leader. Now he's got PAYING customers he can sell to over and over again.

      It's more understandable that he'd be disappointed in $400K if it was all a loss anyway. But even if his profit margin was a slim "$120K" (plus all the new paying customers he can leverage for future offers), I have NO sympathy.

      IF he's the type to start complaining about that all over the Internet, I'd NEVER buy from him.

      Michelle
  • That is a lot of money, but when you take into consideration the movie production it probably doesn't leave lot of room.

    I thought the movie was kind of cute though and kudos to him for thinking outside of the box.

    Lee
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    I saw the sales page Yesterday - the sales video looks like a trailer of a movie. Are they selling a movie or what?
  • He had me riveted.

    -Chris
  • I think he did well, although I think he thought it would do much better with the lead up to it and all the things involved. Movie etc.
  • How much would a production like that of costed him?
  • if he spent $450k on the launch then it is truely not good! If he spent $50k its great

    So it depends what profit he made
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    • $400K in sales from Anik? Considering his previous launches and the efforts he put in this particular launch, results could have been better.
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    • I'm also on Anik's JV announcement list but I didn't read anything about him "complaining" that the product only made 400K.

      If you are pushing your affiliates for more sales, it'll be foolish to rant that your product is not doing well.

      In addition, as someone mentioned above, with this launch he's got some serious buyers on his list and a lot of subscribers. These will make him a lot of money further down the line.

      Doing 400K is not bad at all.
  • Spend less on the hype and more on creating a killer product that produces results....
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    • A full bollywood movie? WTF?

      What is it's title?

    • bull crap, killer products dont sell themselves
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  • Found the movie:

    Code:
    http://lethalcommission.com/agency/
    It's the second video.

    220MB.

    Man, the movie is awesome. Anik is good!
  • I watched the movie all the way through and thought that
    it would create enough buzz just for being different. After
    watching the movie though I couldn't stay focused for the
    sales pitch that came afterward. The sales pitch came
    as an anticlimax to the movies climax.

    When you are rich everything is not always done to make
    more money but ego inflation becomes a huge factor. So
    "failure" may not be defined in the same terms for the
    rich as for the others. I'm not judging Anik here but
    just saying there are other considerations than just
    a huge profit.

    That's why selling to the rich is a different breed
    to selling to the rest of us.

    -Ray Edwards
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    • I give him credit. Guys like Brad Fallon, Buck Rizvi, and Andy Jenkins or , on a larger scale, Daniel Saydek boosted their egos the old fashioned way...by financing the movie and then hoping people bought tickets (they didn't, by the way).

      Anik is much smarter. He made the movie, disguised it as an IM product, and wants people to pay huge prices for it. Brilliant!!!
  • He should've had Mel Gibson direct it =P maybe he would've pulled in more $
  • Gurus = Bull****.
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  • I'm really not that surprised. I think the guru's were too powerful in that 2004-2007 time frame and kinda poisoned the waters. Stompernet did over $10M in their launch back in 2006...now they can barely afford to keep their doors open, let alone pay their affiliates. These guys used to be able to just email their list with some product and make huge commissions, now power is kinda decentralized.

    But to the video, I'm sure he was trying to be unique, but what the h@ll? When you see a video that's so over the top with drama, you're probably about to get screwed over.
  • Everybody on this board is probably only one degree of separation from Anik. I hope he does 400 million.
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  • While I'll attempt to refrain any bias judgement toward the product or it's creator, I can tell you exactly the reason it bombed!

    Take a look through the threads here, and read the reviews from the prior 2 products released by this person. You may then have an entirely different view on the real reason the numbers were so low.

    As many said, $400k to most of us that work IM, that is a boatload of money, and even a 5-10% profit would be decent numbers for the majority. But, this is a JV GURU... he's supposed to take #1 on CB, and have 7 figures plus in 3-5 days or it's a FAIL!

    Nothing personal against Anik, of course... but I am so over these guys and the hyped-up crap they're selling. Be it rare I ever consider buying a GURU product, I did buy Anik's "Profit Jackpot" out of sheer curiosity... refunded 3 days later! -And would NEVER buy one of his product again, as the last experience left a permanent impression on me. One I do not want in my business model, regardless of ones multi-million dollar earnings.

    If I get bored, I may grab the popcorn for a good laugh, but my feelings are not hurt by the flop!

    There's always the turn, and the river to wash him clean!

    *Which btw, I doubt he'll lose money, some followers perhaps, but heck, with the power of using his JV partner's lists, these guys have tapped into an endless stream of cash, and they know it!

    I think more people should concentrate on delivering value, and a product that delivers what it promises, without 14 upsell,6 exit splashes, and now a full blown movie...WTF am I even doing here, I got real work to do.

    To those seeking a one-click, 3-click, 7-click system, or searching for "how many licks" it takes to crank out millions on auto-pilot... it's a long road, and a costly one if you keep buying into the hype.

    Please, I would love to hear from (1) person defending this crap, that actually makes money, and even then I would be skeptical to believe there's any measure of ethics involved if they did.

    -Art
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    • The Gurus have always kinda puzzled me to be honest. You hear a lot of them say things like "Build A Business!!!!", but their "business" looks more like a money maker. They develop a product, sell it thru JV's and to their list, and then kinda just let it sit there and rot.

      Meanwhile you take a look at a guy like Aaron Wall of SEOBook. He started out selling a $50 ebook, then $100. Then he turned his site into a membership site and charged maybe $100. He's been raising it as interest keeps going up...now it's up to $300/month. Plus he makes affiliate sales...but only on the products he actually uses (and you can tell). And to top it all off, he's never stopped updating his blogs with free (and real) content.

      I'd be curious how much better these gurus would do if they followed a Corey Rudl model.

      1-Sell a low-priced intro product that's updated every year.
      2-Sell complimentary software products to help people with what you teach.
      3-Sell ancillary products for specific purposes.
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    • I think more people should concentrate on delivering value, and a product that delivers what it promises, without 14 upsell,6 exit splashes,





      I TOTALLY 110% AGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT
  • Awwww jeeeese. I only made $400,000 :/ , I guess I'll have to stick with my Lexus LFA
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    • I have heard that some launches have made 1 Million dollar in revenue...so comparing with that may be 400K is less...
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  • I don't care how much that bolywood movie has cost... I did buy the product based on the sale page not the movie and what was described this product will do... Unfortunately like his 2 previous products Profit Jackpot and Commission Domination that I bought, tried and quickly refunded... Lethal Commission is no better than the previous one... Bought the complete package $77 + $247 + $197 +67 ... 7 days ago... after more than 10 tickets and numerous email exchange with support... my main issue is still not solved... which is none of the options appears to be working at all... not even showing in the Command Center... support saying they are working on it... not only me, everybody have the same problem... So what works ? the auto blog install works... that give you a ONE page blog with half of it filled with Google Ads... and the content is all spinned unreadable garbage... just one page blog... keyword research doesn't works... nothing really works other than the one page blog creation... Refunds are pooring in... Clickbank is looking into pulling it off like they did for Commission Domination... Good job Anik... continue making bolywood movie... and crapy products... you are the one who choose where to put your money at the end.
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    • Well maybe more than one degree but I agree. Unfortunately if what veracruz posted is true then not likely to happen.


      I thought the "movie" was quite engaging but was a bit surprised that it was for a $77 product. Kind of a disconnect.
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    • Hmm, another reason not to write any comments about "gurus".
  • While I have never tried autoblogging software, if I were to, there's an easier an cheaper way with a free trial, and sounds much cheaper than all these "movie-making" marketing approaches.

    *Again, I have never used this stuff but looky here, it's right in your own backyard, with a free trial...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-friendly.html

    Naturally, others swear by WP Robot - Premium Wordpress Autoposting Plugin which also has a free trial. (*No affiliation to either, just saying)

    Considering I currently have roughly 200 domains, I have considered these options just to season the sites, but still question the quality the software produces?

    -Art
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    • Using autoblog software can get your websites deindexed by Google and can also lead to the disabling of your Adsense account. While it is a great way of keeping fresh content on your sites, Google's TOS clearly states that they do not want duplicate content, or thin sites.

      It will take them awhile to find it, but sooner or later they will. You are far better off to have solid sites and not have to worry about it

  • There's tons of criticizing of the gurus going but if those criticizing them were in their shoes, they sure as hell would be happy with the fame and money that comes with being known as a guru.
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    • Keepin it real
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    • ... I'm glad somebody else sees it this way, too.
    • Perhaps, controversy is there greatest adversary. Without question, the majority of these guys either know marketing at the level many will never reach, or they can afford to 'outsource' the copywriting, and other leaders in their marketing field, either way, I respect that aspect.

      As far as being in their shoes, I don't think I could sleep at night for any amount of money; if my success was balanced by huge refund rates, tons of dissatisfied customers who feel duped after purchasing my products, and then replenishing them with the next flow of unsuspected newbies.

      Does it work, absolutely.

      Is Anik or any other guru wrong for riding that train? - NO, he's making serious bank, no doubt. As are the copywriter's, film produces, affiliates, and tons of others employed by that machine.

      WHY?

      Because he's selling people what they want... a dream!

      -Yet, the only ones who usually get rich off that dream or the products thereof, are at the expense of all the others "we" must now convince every purchase online is NOT an 'inflated' nightmare!

      If the product delivers value, and customers are happy... then he and others deserves great acclaim.

      So my support for Anik is from a whole different perspective, he's educating people alright, and getting filthy rich doing so. Give the people what they want and eventually they'll awaken to the realization, a band-aide cannot repair a suture wound.

      Most who buy these products want over-night success. Can it happen... sure for a small, small percentage. And for majority in which it doesn't, do you see the irony here?

      So, in the end it boils down to personal preference. If you can sleep at night because your bank account sings sweet freedom, at the expense of products that prey on people's dreams, promise over-delivery, but seldom live up to the hype, and obliterate the majority of people who purchased a dream only to awaken to a well placed lesson in nightmares, a "real" reality check, -then that's great... you can be a guru too!

      I prefer to take the high road, even if it means less money. Again, personal preference.

      Please, let's see some numbers here... I'm curious to know refund rates, or "How many" will ever make a penny with this one, aside from affiliates, and the creators?

      Instead, next week... I'll be finding my 'unique content' stolen, scraped, and uploaded to some half-ass blog that reads like a 3 year olds gibberish, and insults the intelligence of the all with some pipe packed software designed for 1 thing...easy money!

      News Flash: There is no easy money... work, make money, simple.

      And again, while Anik IS working... those buying his stuff are trying to avoid it...hilarious!

      That's it...end of rant!

      -Art
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    • I would much rather fly under the radar than ever be called "guru" or anything other similar name.

      Thomas
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    • Fame AND fortune at any cost maybe the goal of some, but it isn't the goal of all.

      Have a read of the review thread on this forum to see the quality of product produced for a $400k launch.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...n-reviews.html

      There is a video review showing the type of site created by this software as well.

      People will naturally criticise the success of a product launch when they think the product is crap. IM buyers probably need more patience and buy based on the product and not the marketing campaign.

      There is a lot to learn from the marketing of these launches but at least have it all leading to a quality product.
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    • Funny... this is the launch I was referring to in another post that ended up turning me off because of the pop-ups that appeared when I tried leaving the page after watching the "movie". As the price continued to drop, or more freebies were thrown in each time I tried to leave, I became less impressed wondering why the offer wasn't made for the discounted price to begin with.
  • sound slike we have a lot of jealous people at that number, but I am more curios to where tht number comes from?
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    • Exactly. Where in the world is this $400K number coming from and why should we trust it?
  • I agree that their seems to be a lot of jealousy in this thread.

    I would love to know how much the project cost him. It seems like a crazy way to launch but in the end it was his risk to take and none of us know what the costs were. If it cost less than a lot of people think it might not be a bad deal for him at all. Though clearly with these numbers it doesn't sound like it reached the level he expected. But we all fail. You have to take risks to make money.
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    • This whole type of situation reminds me of when I was in sales. There were people hailed as great salesman when they didn't really do anything to generate clients. In a lot of cases, they just inherited really good customers when people left hte company. After 10 years, they had a decent base of clients.

      I never really cared..that was the way it was. But some of these guys walked around like they were Dale Carnegie.

      I kinda see it the same way with these gurus. I don't really care if they do well or don't do well. But these guys were walking around like marketing geniuses during 2004-2007 saying all the buzz phrases. Now, we are getting to see the type of marketers they really are. When they don't have the vast support of a little insiders club and a good economy.
  • I guess people are getting fed up with all the 5-clicks instant millions.
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    • There will always be suckers...
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  • I'll be the first to admit...

    I didn't know who Anik is until I read this thread. Based on the replies of this thread, it looks like this guy is well respected in the field. So, I am sure many people will "hate" me for this... But whatever...

    I watched the promotion video and it was a turn off for me. Sorry! The guy promised to get straight to the point on what the software does, but yet, he kept blagging on until the last few minutes. Every other sentence sounds so redundant to the point that I managed to the predict what he was going to say next.

    What I am trying to say is, I don't see why it's so surprising that the launch wasn't that big of a success. It was just another video promising you the world with just a few clicks. Nothing special there. Looks like people are finally starting to wise up before buying. Thank God...

    Though, the whole movie thing was quite innovative. I'll give some credit and respect for taking the huge risk. Sadly, it didn't help much.
  • Not jealous of people's success. But don't really care for some of the successful. I'll leave it at that.

    People forget how long this guy has been in business and how hard he has worked to build it to this level.

    Sadly, when the big numbers are thrown out there, we often only hear about THAT launch, hence the disbelief amongst some when they see the success rate.

    I'd be safe to assume that some have a vested interest in giving us the impression that a $ result was easy as pie.

    In all my years I have only ever seen 2 people actually disclose their costs and affilite pay outs... actually, make that 3 people.
  • Keep in mind guys, product launches are generally TWO weeks or so (am i right)? and Some of these stay on the top of ClickBanks best sellers page for MONTHS. I know that Chronic Commissions (By Corey and Winter) did well into 7 figures over a few month period, and from what I understand it's still selling today.

    Also, I didn't see an email with Anik complaining about this, I think people here just assumed it for some reason.

    400k in sales could easily add 8-10k people to his list, and those are just the people that PURCHASED. If it's an overall 5% conversion rate, he could have easily added 100-200k+ people to his list. Even if he DOES end up losing out on this product, I think it's still a win due to the huge list he's most likely grown as a result of this.

    My hats off to Anik for this one, great movie - great being innovative and great way to build a list! (And honestly, it's a great product too)

  • I won't give you the exact numbers of my last launch but if it was around 400k, i think I would be quite happy.

    Then again, I probably don't have the staff to bank roll that Anik has...and the sales video does look slick.

    I'll have to try harder next time eh!!!

    With my sales and my video's...

    Baz
  • << $400k rev is typical of most Clickbank launches...>>

    I seriously doubt that. I've never launched anything on Clickbank, but I'd guess typical is between $0 and a few hundred dollars.
  • What if he spent a million on creating a real product that would help real people. I would buy a ticket to that.
  • Maybe if Anik and his team spent a little less on the presentation or sales video and focused more on the actual product, he may have done a little more. But hay you live and learn, well hopefully anyway...
  • I saw the trailer. And the promo video was really good. It could easily hype newbies into buying the product, even though he kept saying "no hype"! But I personally don't believe in push button products. No one can make me believe that you can make easy money on the internet without doing any real work and just by clicking a few buttons. If that were the case, then everyone would be filthy rich!!

    Internet Marketing is like any other business, you need to put in the hard work, time and effort to make it work at least initially.
  • I don't think most people are jealous, I think a lot of people are just irritated that people like Anik create relatively shoddy products and make a lot of money. All a person has to do is google the guy and you'll find 10 people complaining about him and his products for every 1 that likes his stuff (and that's being generous). Same goes for the rest of the "gurus". I can count on one hand the number of well-known IM gurus that provide as much in value as they rake in from noobs' wallets.
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      Are you not a person "like" Anik? That means your product could be classified as "shoddy."
  • I do not know how much profit he made from $400k revenue. It was only my dream.
  • I don't think 400K in this day and age is bad at all, most newbies would be more than happy with that
  • No one is denying the fact it's good money... what we ARE saying is if people like Anik cut the hype out and sold products that actually worked he could probably sell a ton more stuff every year. The problem is these guys rely on the fact their products won't get people to the next level. Let's face it, they're not going to have many people to sell to if everyone went off, used their product, and became a success. This is why they keep on spitting out the same old courses one after the other. It's also the reason why they NEED to use hype and weird marketing tactics to sell their stuff. If you're selling awesome products you don't need all these flashy videos to do the selling... the product sells itself and word spreads very quickly.

    There is another launch I saw recently where they had used one of these stupid Hollywood type trailers - turned me right off the product. If you need to use this sort of stuff to sell then you're probably better off spending the time and money on making your product better.

    These old guru style launches are I think (fingers crossed) becoming less and less effective. Anik would have made very little profit from that launch. It's great to say he made 400k or even a million dollars but once you remove all the commissions, refunds and costs, he would be left with very little... and he has staff to pay, etc.

    I saw a thread the other day where people were discussing why we hardly ever see these 'guru's launching their products on the Warrior Forum. The simple reason is the WF provides a unique social proof element where people can comment and leave their honest feedback after making the purchase. This is a great thing IF you have an awesome product... not so great if your product is worthless crap. These types of courses would get destroyed on a forum like this.

    * Disclaimer: I have not purchased Aniks course and don't know if it is a great course or not... it might be. I am talking about these 'gurus' in general.
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    • I'm afraid I don't agree on that Will. According to me,
      what helps these "gurus" sell is the hype they create and
      the promises they make.

      Karan
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    • You are spot on with this.

      ... if one of these gurus released a product as a WSO, there would be blood in shark-infested waters. Seriously. It would be ugly. And awesome. All at once.
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    • Bingo... just look at Aniks previous releases, there were some threads on here showing what bs products they were and issues with him and his "team" etc. Too lazy to search but if I recall the threads got locked. Anik got called out on his bs and never came back to comment or respond after the heat got to be to much for him lol.
  • I was lost on this part:
  • Watch out Anik might come shoot you all, LOL!
    I watched the movie and thought it was good but did not buy the product
    and so glad I chose not to going by what veracruz said about it.

    Maybe anik should hang up his Guru hat and take up acting full time or has he already?
  • Those of you discussing whether or not the "guru" style sales page/products are scams or not this doesn't apply to you - but those of you in here just leaving comments about how you wish you could make that much money in a day - why are you sitting here commenting about it when you could be using that time to get out there and make it happen?
  • $400k to me would be a dream! If anik is dissapointed . Then he takes to much for granted.
  • Who cares what he made or didn't.

    He took action, he didn't talk about taking it or buy 100 different ways to take action, he did something. Not everything works. People call it a failure, but it's not. It's just part of the process. Do you think he'll quit doing launches because one didn't go as big as he wanted? Hell no. He'll be back.

    Sure you can pick him apart but being an armchair critic is easy. I respect that he tried something new, even though the big guru launches are not my cup of tea, at least he's trying. Gotta respect the hustle.

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  • The video he created for his product was actually pretty good. I believe the reason why it didn't do that well is because people saw it as "not being real". I think he would have done much better if he just created a direct-to-camera video.

    Anyway, better luck next time I guess.
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  • For everybody commenting on whether $400k is good or bad, none of you really know one way or another unless you know what the net revenues are. For all you know, Anik is still in the hole with this release. Or Anik is making millions on the backend. One thing is for sure, Anik doesn't care about what you think.
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    • Looking at some of the reviews posted on LC that sentence is 100% accurate...
  • Understandable, but isn't it also important that if you accept the label of guru, you should do everything in your power to produce quality products?

    Personally I don't have a problem with the little people standing up to the "guru" that pushes poor quality.

    I just can't wait for 2011(the year of the push button software) to be over.
  • Everyone is also missing the bigger picture here...

    Most launches are NOT designed to make a ton of money right up front, they make some, but the initial product sale isn't where the money is...

    Launches like this are designed to bring a lot of customers in the door, and Anik just brought in thousands. I'd be more than willing to bet that Anik's company ends up well ahead of that 400k number, in profit, by the time it's all said and done...

    -Gary Ambrose
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    • I think Anik watching to many James bond films.

      I will say it was one of the few sales videos I did watch but I think it was too long. I think a lot of people may have given up before he got to heart of the offer.
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  • For Christ Sakes.

    He's at a level where Test Test Test means you earn/loose thousands where most
    cry when they loose hundreds or a few dollars. Think about it?

    Also at his level I'm sure he has figured the odds plus his back end product(s)
    will more than likely make up the difference and add to the over all total profit.

    I wish him well.

    Have a Great Day!
    Michael
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    • What is this entire discussion about?

      Whether $400K is good as a launch figure or not? Don't hope to get an answer that will make a difference to you without knowing whether it is a $400K all in profits or $4million in losses.

      Whether an IM product is about selling purely a ddream passed onto generations, or whether it is about selling solid info that makes money? Look, people always buys dreams, but like to think that they are buying solutions. How much of that is being leveraged while remaining "ethical" is gray in many cases, and in fact in most cases.

      Whether the gurus try to make a good product or are they out to make their palaces founded upon others' dreams? No matter whether you are a guru or not, you shall almost always try to build your own palace. You shall always sell dreams whenever you are selling an info product - anything that is not "tangible" in the physical sense is probably a dream in some sense or the other (think health realted ebooks, think relationship ebooks, think forex trading guideline ebooks). How much of your client's real needs (not wants) the material fills is again dependent upon the seller.

      Whether Anik in this case is trying to sell something genuinely good? No idea, I have not seen the product.

      Can IM gurus make money outside the IM niches? I have seen both the classes - one class that definitely make money outside teaching IM and staying within IM niches, and another class that seems to stick to building IM palaces. By the way, have you heard of a breed named school teachers and college professors? Are they not "guru"s in their own rights? Do you think their existence is required?
  • what 400k is not good enought LOL.

    Think about this for just a second.

    1) Do you think anik gives a rats arse what people think?

    2) He could not pay for this sort of promotion and stir caused in a high traffic forum. What a smart guy!!!!

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  • My bigest question about the movie is:
    Where did they get the cars of the final scene?

    I mean the movie characters. Not one of the poker guys are driving those crap cars. Did they steal the cars of the employees??? I don't get it... hehe
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    • This is a market that you can never satisfy...Internet Marketing in General, and the WF more specifically.

      Person puts out $7 product with an OTO for $47 and the market and people on WF complain; "Just put everything into the original package and charge what it's worth"

      Person puts everything into one package and tries to sell it for $54 and the market and people on WF complain; "That's too damn expensive! Are you living in the same economy I am?"

      Person with years of experience puts together a truly useful product with great info and a straight forward sales letter explaining exactly what the product is, and sells 23 copies.

      Person who never made a dime selling anything online pays a couple grand for coaching to someone that teaches them how to "market", then they start selling "how to make money online" products, even though they've never done it themselves, with blind sales letters, rehashed content, and fake screenshots...They get WSO of the Year, relaunch on Clickbank and sell a million dollars worth of product.

      The market consistently says that they want things one way, but when they get it that way...They don't buy because their head tells them that they want it straight forward, but deep down, they want to buy the "dream" - There is evidence of this all over not only this forum, but the internet in general.

      Seriously, look in the marketplaces here, and you'll see pretty fast that there's quite a few that are moving big numbers are the same ones that have a story that goes something like " I couldn't make enough month to put a happy meal on layaway...then I started selling WSO's....NOW I'M RICH BITCHES!"

      Ask anyone that is doing even remotely well selling information online, and most of them will tell you...Coming up with GOOD PRODUCTS and GOOD CONTENT is the EASY PART. Learning how to MARKET is what MAKES PEOPLE RICH.

      And that is where the problem lies...

      Anik could have made a sales video of himself robbing 90 year old women at gun point outside the grocery store, and he still would have made a couple hundred thousand dollars with a decent blind sales letter, and blowing some of the typical smoke up everyones ass.

      Is that a bad thing?

      Nope...If the content is decent, and he is skilled enough to know how to market himself as the guy who jacked your grandma who is going to teach you how to make some bank....more power to him.

      As far as the gurus not coming here because of the social component...lol...really? say what....?

      I've seen WSO sellers get popped with fake screenshots twice in 2 weeks, then sell 1,000 copies of a product at $27 3 days later.

      I've seen WSO sellers get popped for selling software and content that wasn't even theirs...Then come back a week later and drain 100K into their PP accounts without a single question from the masses.

      Theirs a HUGE disconnect between what the market thinks they want, and what THEY BUY, which is why conversations such as the one in this thread will never go away
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  • I'd be happy to make 1% of that amount of a product launch. (Obviously I wouldn't have spent so much on getting to that point).
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    • How long is the movie?

      or

      "How much time do people have?"
  • 1 - $400k seems low for what gurus EXPECT
    2 - There is definitely LAUNCH FATIGUE going on around here -- been happening alot
    3 - Only the profits matter
    4 - He has to give alot away to his affiliates and it is at least 50%, but most likely higher
    5 - People are getting WISE to all of the guru HYPE - do they really provide the value that they are saying? especially for the price
    6 - People have a limited budget - We think that there is alot of people in IM but really it is a small market - if everyone is being pitched to all the time, no one is going to spend with the majority of gurus. The pie is small.
    7 - Affiliates - they may be in the same boat as Stomper Net some years ago. Not enough revenue to pay off the debts (source: salty droid)
  • Sorry did I miss the point here?

    $400k in revenue in this economic climate, with things looking less than stable? Great revenue, but as was said by Shaun.

    Revenue is vanity, profit is sanity, let's face it we all want to make profit with what we create, or we would be pretty lousy business people would we not?

    As for $120k profit, that for most of us is probably 3 to 4 years living expenses, so we could retire from work for that long comfortable in the knowledge that we have time to create more products and earn more money.

    Never sneeze at any kind of profit, as that is what comes of not doing your forecasting properly, as for Anik, well done for the movie, he did think out of the box for this, but maybe bit off more than he could chew, but at least he has more new buyers on his list, so well done.
  • He probably considers this a "bad" launch, money-wise... but there's more to come from it... so a win overall...
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    • "Tracking this stuff is like counting icebergs: The bulk are underwater." -- Neil MacDonald

      I suspect $400K is the tip of the iceberg for Anik.

      I watched 15 minutes of the movie and it wasn't terrible. As a branding vehicle. there's no arguing that it's a boost for his personal "guru" brand.

      As far as the product, who knows? I can imagine a backroom conversation that went like this:

      Anik: "I want to boost my personal brand in a way that's not been done before."

      Buddies: "You should launch a new product."

      Anik: "I said 'not been done' before. I need something cool. Something far out. Something groovy. Something Frank Kern only wishes he could do."

      Buddies: (scratch collective heads)

      Anik: "Eureka! I've got it! I'll be the first guru to star in a real action movie!"

      Buddies: "Horray!" (Bowing down, kissing the ground in front of Anik.)

      Anik: "Now, I can't just launch a movie. I've got to make it relevant to my business. Hmm ..."

      Buddies: (Scratching heads again. Puzzled looks on their faces.)

      Anik: "I know! I'll tie the movie to an IM product. Remember that thing we sold a few months ago? Let's add some new features and .... "

      Buddies: "Hooray!"

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  • I've been a long time follower of Anik Singal. But not for his products, but because of his motivational website and leadership skills. $400k? Yeah. That's still pretty good considering Lethal Commission hasn't been out that long! I feel it was more about the customers than the money this time. Because we all know that Anik can hit multi million dollar launches in a weeks time. But I say congratulations to him anyways. It's still good success!

    Internet Marketing Movie? More like a "Short Film". Anik obviously put his hard work and time into it, so I give him all of the respect! I only watched 10-12 minutes of it though. Been meaning to finish it!

    Has anyone here purchased a copy of the Software? I was curious as the quality of the product. Usually I don't support internet marketing "build-a-site-in-a-minute-with-millions-of-visitors" software, so If anyone thinks Lethal Commission is any different! Fill Me In!

    With The Best Intentions,
    Rob Hines!
  • Pretty sure other gurus will recalculate how much risk they're gonna have to take to cash in on their next 1 million dollar launch.
    Not sure, but Anik must have expected nothing short of a million bucks, but thats IM for you. You dont have to win everyday to nuke it.
    Who knows, this might even be his loss leader
  • I know nothing about the launch, how much he did or didn't make but either way we're in business, nothing is certain and failure...

    ... well just get ready for when it's your turn.
  • I eat 400k in CASH for breakfast.
  • Its the old "sell my ****" product launch that just doesn't work anymore - I know $400K seems great but Im sure hes used to millions - My launches were 6 figures all the time (list of 25k no JV's) and in the last 2 years they slowly went down to the tune of like $25K on a launch. I have since changed my entire method of selling and Im now finally getting back to the old days !
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  • So you think because he made a short movie to promote his product, it might have cost him a fortune? I know from where he got those actors. Give me $10k-15k and I'll make a movie as good as that or possibly even better. No kidding.
  • First off I would like to say that Anik Singal is an amazing and honest internet marketer.

    With that said, I will have to agree that Lethal Commission was definitely a failure.

    But, sometimes failures lead to our greatest successes yet and I am excited to see what comes next from Anik and wish him the best of luck with his next launch.
  • It never ceases to amaze me how many suckers are out there, and how little common sense is out there, it's good to see he didn't do as much, maybe some newbies are waking up to the fact it's just a big game of "catch the newbie" with hype and over-promised results. Shame on Anik for jumping on the push-button bandwagon, I don't care how much he's making, he's a sell out, I'd rather make 100k per year actually helping people than 1m a year filling people with false hope. I hope he along with the rest of the online gangsters pushing their crack get what they deserve in the end.

    Newbies repeat after me: "I will never make money online buying some hyped up push button software that everyone else is buying", repeat that mantra every day if need be. You will never get rich doing what everyone else is doing, that is wealth accumulation 101. If you want to start making real money online, stop following and start doing.
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    • Couldn't agree more with you, making money ethically is something to be proud of, these push button guys are just the drug dealers of the internet, and yes it's amazing that people actually think they will make money buying this crap. In a struggling economy people are desperate and it's sneaky crooks like Anik preying on them, his wealth is built on selling lies, how he sleeps at night boggles me.
  • Hey Guys,

    Was just talking to Jimmy and he said they are over $500K now .. Which is awesome, crappy part is with a 60 Days money back they will likely have around 10 - 15 % refunds. STILL an awesome launch!

    I don't think Anik spend much on the videos, he had it done in India So I would think make $40K at most.

    Either way, with the issues at clickbank and all our lists crapping out ... I would say it's a very successful launch. The product on the other hand ... We will leave it at that.

    Great thread you guys have going here thou.

    **Thumbs up!**
  • I didn't watch the movie. I was annoyed, actually, that I had to watch some guy's vanity object just to see what it was. I tried to log off his page and think about it and do some googling on it, but after three capture pages, I grew annoyed and didn't go back. Perhaps he wasn't aiming for the Boomer generation? I figure if it has merit, it will state in plain, basically sound English what it does, how it does it (without giving away secrets), and what it costs. While on that subject, if a pitch page is longer than three pages, and uses brilliant orange and yellow stuff and has over three endorsements, I don't buy. If it doesn't give an amount until I have scrolled through 12 to 15 pages, I won't buy it, and write the name of the im'er in my little red book. I will NOT buy anything ever from anyone in my little red book.
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  • I type in "Anik Singal" in google, and the next work Google recommends me is "scam".

    This is a coincidence?
  • Did anybody buy the product and used it??? Is it worth it?

    Personally I love Anik's products. It's funny that even the senior warriors are talking about an email sent through some autoresponder and a sales video. But nobody is talking about the product.
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    • I thought the video they released to promote the product sucked really terrible.

      Now that I think of it, the reason it probably sold at all is from all the preselling that was done by others promoting it to their list.
  • Leave James Bond alone, will ya?
  • Here is the exact jv email that Anik sent out that this thread is referring to:


    Hey,

    I wanted to send a leaderboard
    but Clickbank Analytics have been
    down for 2 days now!!

    With that- we've reached $400k
    in sales and moving towards the
    $500k mark TODAY.

    So we wanted to do something
    REALLY SPECIAL!!!

    We've decided to release a BIG contest
    this weekend on TOP of the $22,000+
    in cash prizes..

    For this weekend, starting on
    Thurs, Nov 10th 12:01AM CB
    time till Sunday Nov 13th 11:59PM
    CB time...

    Here is what YOU can win:

    Most Sales= 5k Cash
    Second Place= 2.5k Cash
    Third Place= 1K Cash

    And if you don't win this, you
    STILL have a chance.

    20 FRONT END SALES= $100
    Amazon Gift Card!

    So everyone has a chance
    to win something!!!

    So, grab your swipes from here:
    (link removed)

    And thank you for ALL your
    support!!!

    Talk Soon,

    Anik Singal & Jimmy Kim

    P.S. If you need anything, please
    reply to THIS email.
    If you wish to stop receiving our emails or change your subscription options, please
    (link removed)

    JuJuQ Inc, 100 Lakeforest Blvd Suite 610, Gaithersburg MD, 20877© 2011 All rights reserved.





    Note that Lethal Commission officially launched on 11/7/11 and this email was sent out on 11/10/11, only 3-4 of sales.

    If you haven't seen the movie yet you should check it out, it was nice to see something different than the usual crap we see.
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  • Man!!
    The movie is crap IMO! Sadly,I am not able to get what exactly he is selling. How to make automated blogs to earn money??
    I would have been surprised if the product were a success!

    PS:This movie should take at max 50K,if he used a production team of India.
  • Sure, creating a movie is something new in this field. The new stuff sometimes is killer and sometimes it's not, but how would you find out if not take the chance?

    Oh, and it's based on Casino Royale, so it was fun to try and spot the similarities along the way.

    As for the production, You'd be amazed at how little stuff costs in India...
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  • I decided not to waste an hour watching a movie which, of course, would be a pitch for the product. But I just spent an hour reading this thread top to bottom. LOL. I suspect we all spend time here that could maybe be more productive. With that said, the product seems to take you as far as automated software can; keyword research, blogging, site set up, etc. Do other products do the same? Of course. Is this worth the $77 to save many hours of work and possibly result in a better site when your done. IDK, maybe. I want very much to try this, but the reviews on the other thread seem to show many bugs. Oh, what the heck, here I go.
  • Helluva video!
  • Just by watching the trailer, if that's not hyped up, I don't know what is. For an IM product, that's really weird, a little over the top, almost trying too hard imo.
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    • My thoughts EXACTLY! I smelled the hype the minute the affiliate emails hit my inbox.... with my computer OFF!
  • I thouht the video was impressive for what it is, and the fact it's new will grab attention.

    I just hope it's a one off. I really don't want to watch a movie everytime I'm checking out an offer.

    James Scholes
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  • He knows what he's doing! There hundreds of ways to get your products in front of buyers and even more ways to get buyers talking about it.

    My take is he has done a good job on both. It's shocking, it generate interest and its arouses curiousity.
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