Newbies Are Darn Lucky These Days!!

14 years ago

I agree with you in many ways.

But I think in one way a lot of us who started earlier (1999 - and there are others here that go back well before that) there was ONE advantage regarding your confusion piece.

I think it was much easier to know what was legitimate training back then. At least that's
how I remember it. Maybe it was a bigger mess than I recall, but it seemed like everyone knew to get information from.

- Cory Rudl (yes, it wasn't the best organized information, but I can look at that original course today and there's still some great info in there).
- Declan Dunn
- Marlon Sanders (I actually had his "malgorithm" flowchart taped to my wall for a while - and while basic by today's standards, one point he drove home early on was the importance of the quality of the traffic)
- Jonathan Mizel (Anatomy of an Internet Marketing rollout)
- Terry Dean's NetBreakthrough's forum
- Michael Campbell (talking about "long-tail" WAY before the current "glitz" of it)

I'm leaving some out, but even if I expanded the list it might reach a hundred or so rather than the tens of thousands of possible choices newbies are confronted with today.

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Kim Standerline 14 years ago

Gosh that's a blast from the past lol

One of the very first forums I ever joined

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- Terry Dean's NetBreakthrough's forum
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14 years ago

Points well taken.

Newbies have tons more choices as to who they want to learn from but paypal and clickbank provide newbies with protection.

If they purchase a how to course and it's full of bull or even stuff they don't really want to do, they can get their money back in a heartbeat - guaranteed.

If the newbie decides on an income model first, it will eliminate lots of confusion because all they have to do next is find someone, a ebook, course etc. to teach them that model and then get busy with the testing.

All I'm trying to do with this post is to help newbies to be clear about what they are trying to do as in which income model will they use.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by joeg897

I am a newby and I have a great deal of quality information to sort through. I am currently taking a class and it is really helpful. Also remember some newbies are business savy but need some coaching.

One of my main points is that you don't have a lot of info to sift through.

Too many newbies are making things a lot more complicated than it has to be and they ( predictably ) soon have paralysis of analysis.

This is not rocket science.

It's about selecting an income model, and getting something (ebook, videos, personal coaching etc. ) that will show you - step by step how to conduct the model.

Selecting a income model gets rid of a lot of confusion.

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Eric X Vignola

14 years ago

yeah but then do not forget that just because there is more information out there does not mean that it is good. there are step by step plans put together by halfwits on theory and there are step by step plans that are missing vital information forcing people to always by the next step.

i think what is really great about the internet marketing community today is people are lot more willing to SHARE their knowledge. i have found a mentor and have had very helpful information given to me for free just because i was polite and curious. where as before i think people were more guarded.

so, yeah long winded way to say hooray for today!

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Eric X Vignola

yeah but then do not forget that just because there is more information out there does not mean that it is good. there are step by step plans put together by halfwits on theory and there are step by step plans that are missing vital information forcing people to always by the next step.

i think what is really great about the internet marketing community today is people are lot more willing to SHARE their knowledge. i have found a mentor and have had very helpful information given to me for free just because i was polite and curious. where as before i think people were more guarded.

so, yeah long winded way to say hooray for today!

That's a good point. Unfortunately in my country we are still in the 1st phase, where few people make big bucks online and they keep for themselves their secret...maybe it's time for me to prepare some e-books for the upcoming "infoproduct age". :p

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axileon 14 years ago

actually i wonder if newbies always give up after they realised its not that easy to make money online afterall.... not as what all the sales letter promised them to be??

press the button n money comes pouring in?
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Avnery

14 years ago

Thats fine advice to all Newbies perhaps i should add they must be willing to put in lots of time and keep their imaginations fresh

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TLTheLiberator 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Avnery

Thats fine advice to all Newbies perhaps i should add they must be willing to put in lots of time and keep their imaginations fresh

Yes they are extremely lucky in these days and times. If only they wold believe it and get busy finding an online business model right for them.

You're right, they must also be willing to put in the time and most importantly take strategic actions that will lead them to profitable online business land.

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Eric Evans

14 years ago

I see both sides of the argument here, but one thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is that WAY more people are doing this type of marketing now. There is tons of information for newbies, but you have to work much harder in my opinion these days to make a LOT of money. It's easy to make a little.

B4...10 guys making 10000
Now...10000 guys making 10

Thats how I see it.

But don't give up newbies, rise above, compete!

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Ruth Hendrickson 14 years ago

The 10 guys who were making 10000 before are probably making 10 times that now, but I agree there are many more into IM now.

There's much more information now for newbies, which is good but it also adds to their confusion about which way to go.
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  Ruth you are almost surely right. Those "10" guys are making tons of cash now...tons of cash now.
  
  So I'll pose this question about those "10" guys.
  
  First they started affiliate marketing like us...then they started selling information about HOW TO affiliate market. Now that we all buy their books, what are they making money on next?
  
  The market is oversaturated with HOW TO books, the way to get rich these days is to think of the 3rd phase. Hmmm...I'm still thinking, hahah.
  
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  I don't know. But if you think of it, please tell me!
  
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  locke 14 years ago
  
  Great post! This is a very nice breakdown for the beginning internet marketer.. I agree that the most difficult part is finding training or people that will actually provide you with valuable information in regard to getting traffic i.e. seo techniques like article directories, do follow blogs, content writing with keywords, anchor text links all the bells and whistles that let internet marketers get the traffic they need to be successful. There are several people that actually try to help newbies make money online whose sole intent isn't just trying to sell them something.. These people include Grizzly, Vic, The University Kid etc.. Follow these guys because what they are offering is a no "BS" masters in internet marketing...
  
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  sirtom 14 years ago
  
  Nice post, TL..
  
  As I see things nowadays, the 'Internet Marketing' market is way to oversaturated to compete in. now, that's not to say you can't be successful with it, but for people just starting out, it's like a giant ocean (as oceans tend to be). So many people have so many different products and reports and such out there it's pretty much an information overload.
  
  So, my advice to any beginner would be to steer clear of the IM market itself and go for the affiliate-niche business models instead (like the ones outlined in the top post). That way, it's not like dropping a line in the middle of the Pacific..
  
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  Sirtom, the saturated markets are sometimes the best ones to be in...
  
  I started just over a year ago and got into the make money online niche myself maybe seven months ago and have done very well. The best part about it is, it hasn't been very hard.
  
  As far as the forum goes....THIS PLACE ROCKS!
  
  I can honestly say that if it were not for some of the advice and instruction that I've been given here in conjunction with some of the products I've purchased from the WSO section, I would not have done nearly as much business as I have this past year.
  
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  Originally Posted by Eric Evans
  
  The market is oversaturated with HOW TO books, the way to get rich these days is to think of the 3rd phase. Hmmm...I'm still thinking, hahah.
  
  Whatever the "3rd Phase" is that you're referring to, it's going to encompass Web 2.0. ie.. Video.
  
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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Eric Evans

I see both sides of the argument here, but one thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is that WAY more people are doing this type of marketing now. There is tons of information for newbies, but you have to work much harder in my opinion these days to make a LOT of money. It's easy to make a little.

B4...10 guys making 10000
Now...10000 guys making 10

Thats how I see it.

But don't give up newbies, rise above, compete!

Point well taken but...

If the newbie operates outside of selling how to make money stuff their chances of success increases 10x. ( in my opinion and on average )

When you operate in the how to make money niche - almost everyone of your prospects is also trying to sell something to you also.

There is no other niche like the how to make money niche.

That cuts down on your pool of prospects by at least 90% and if you offer is nothing special, you won't make any headway.

It's way easier to make an impact in other markets.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Eric Evans

I see both sides of the argument here, but one thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is that WAY more people are doing this type of marketing now. There is tons of information for newbies, but you have to work much harder in my opinion these days to make a LOT of money. It's easy to make a little.

B4...10 guys making 10000
Now...10000 guys making 10

Thats how I see it.

But don't give up newbies, rise above, compete!

With tons of other niches to operate in you don't have to compete in one of the toughest markets online.

You're not saying or believing that online business is only about selling how to make money stuff to others are you?

Because there are at least 50,000 other lucrative niches or groups of people you can market to and get this ...

...they won't be trying to sell anything to you.

It's 10x easier for a newbie to make a impact promoting stuff that has nothing to do with "how to make money" to others.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Eric Evans

I see both sides of the argument here, but one thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is that WAY more people are doing this type of marketing now. There is tons of information for newbies, but you have to work much harder in my opinion these days to make a LOT of money. It's easy to make a little.

B4...10 guys making 10000
Now...10000 guys making 10

Thats how I see it.

But don't give up newbies, rise above, compete!

LOL...never thought of it that way, but I think it is true. Still, even just making "a little" can be just the encouraging boost the newbie needs.

What's that old saying, "if it was easy, EVERYONE would be doing it". So instead we have everyone trying to do it, but those who stick to it WILL succeed, imho.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Eric Evans

I see both sides of the argument here, but one thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is that WAY more people are doing this type of marketing now. There is tons of information for newbies, but you have to work much harder in my opinion these days to make a LOT of money. It's easy to make a little.

B4...10 guys making 10000
Now...10000 guys making 10

Thats how I see it.

But don't give up newbies, rise above, compete!

Yes but, there are 1000 more times people on teh web now, and more
coming every day. Its all True Dynamics, Real estate hasnt change in
100 years, however the way its done has, and there is mo opportunity for
wealth today than a 100 years ago. Attitude not aptitude determines your altitude.

People are so conditioned to think small nowadays, BIG, think BIG, they dont, and thanks too Texting, and Email, there are fewer and fewer people with People and business Skillz.

Theres more opportunity now, even in this economy than there has ever been in the History of the planet, u just gotta know how to harvest the wealth.

Think Big Newbies, you gotta start somewhere.

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grumpyjacksa

14 years ago

yes and no.....

yes,there is a lot more info available......

but also a lot more webmasters.....

and still only 10 results on the first page of google.......

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by grumpyjacksa

yes and no.....

yes,there is a lot more info available......

but also a lot more webmasters.....

and still only 10 results on the first page of google.......

Your right ( about the search engine stuff ) and gobs of free ongoing search engine traffic is the holy grail but...

... with 50k plus niches to operate in and quite a few proven online business models and numerous proven methods of generating traffic...

.. these will be looked on as the golden years for newbies that have their heads on straight and are deadly serious about creating another source of income using a net based business.

The resources to make that happen are right here at this forum.

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Puusep

14 years ago

I remeber back in 1998, there was literally no special guide how to make the money online. Like for Ewen Chia, he started out learning everything by his own. Today thanks to many guys out there, we have so much good information to use.

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14 years ago

Thanks for the useful post, Man!

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TLTheLiberator 14 years ago

Originally Posted by williamprofet

Thanks for the useful post, Man!

Just trying to get these newbies and non earners off the snide help them understand how god they've got it if they would just focus and apply.

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stevecl

14 years ago

We must thank all the Guru's for introducing us to so many systems and allowing us to purchase them time and time again.

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TLTheLiberator 14 years ago

Originally Posted by stevecl

We must thank all the Guru's for introducing us to so many systems and allowing us to purchase them time and time again.

If the newbie made an serious effort to declare their online business model they wouldn't have to purchase a bunch of net biz systems.

All they need is one decent step by step plan for a system.

The confusion occurs when the newbie has not taken the time to properly understand the different methods/models of earning income with a net based business and then...

a lot of confusion occurs because the newbie gets traffic generation methods mixed up with online business models.

So the whole thing looks like they have so many choices when the big choices comes when they have to select a traffic generation method to bring visitors to their offers.

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JB777

14 years ago

That's an excellent post for someone that is seeking knowledge of the various models.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by JB777

That's an excellent post for someone that is seeking knowledge of the various models.

And my point is that all newbies that have not declared a net business model must do so or forever be trapped in never make money land because declaring a net business model is the first step and a major key to creating another source of income.

So, if you intend on making any money - research and declare your online business model.

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karlp295

14 years ago

Easy to find a lot more experienced people who can show you what to do than before is true but a lot more competition than before. It's harder than it was when I started over ten years ago to enter and climb Google for example and require real dedication now. Cant say its ever been easy...

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by karlp295

Easy to find a lot more experienced people who can show you what to do than before is true but a lot more competition than before. It's harder than it was when I started over ten years ago to enter and climb Google for example and require real dedication now. Cant say its ever been easy...

When you talk about ranking the the serps there is a lot more competition but that's just one area related to online business in which it's not easier for newcomers and it's just about the only area.

Traffic from the search engines may still be the holy grail but there are still dozens of other ways to get free ongoing visitors to our offers.

Now vs. 3 years ago...

- Free tools & resources are more abundant and of higher quality:

- More really free websites and blog platforms:

- 10x more methods of marketing - free & paid:

- Videos all over the place on every aspect of online business:

- More proven net business models with video instructions:

- More niches have been developed:

- Now, people do not have any probs spending money online vs. 3 years ago when people were very, very suspicious:

If all of the above is true...

...it must be a lot easier for a newbie ( that's got their head on straight ) to create another source of income using a net based business.

I'm sure 99% of the people who started 3 or 4 years ago and are making good money now will back my position.

TL

Ps. If you don't have a website or blog or never made any decent money before, you're not really qualified to understand the awesome differences between 3-4 years ago and now.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

When you talk about ranking the the serps there is a lot more competition but that's just one area related to online business in which it's not easier for newcomers and it's just about the only area.

Traffic from the search engines may still be the holy grail but there are still dozens of other ways to get free ongoing visitors to our offers.

Now vs. 3 years ago...

- Free tools & resources are more abundant and of higher quality:

- More really free websites and blog platforms:

- 10x more methods of marketing - free & paid:

- Videos all over the place on every aspect of online business:

- More proven net business models with video instructions:

- More niches have been developed:

- Now, people do not have any probs spending money online vs. 3 years ago when people were very, very suspicious:

If all of the above is true...

...it must be a lot easier for a newbie ( that's got their head on straight ) to create another source of income using a net based business.

I'm sure 99% of the people who started 3 or 4 years ago and are making good money now will back my position.

TL

Ps. If you don't have a website or blog or never made any decent money before, you're not really qualified to understand the awesome differences between 3-4 years ago and now.

Is it me or there isn't any free report in the link in your sig? :confused:

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jbarnes77777 14 years ago

I agree with all your posts, I just think it just depends on what angle you are looking at it from. If you look at it from the perspective of a veteran marketer of course you will think newbies are lucky now. That is because certain things have become second nature to you.

Meaning you can easily identify what you need to get to the next step or you can tell with a good degree of accuracy what products/ skills when acquired will help you in your business. For example, if you have been driving traffic using banner ads all this time and you just jot introduced to the idea that "The money is in the list", a veteran will know the right questions to ask in order to implement an opt-in page that actually works (that is people signing up to see your offer).

Guess what a newbie will struggle to build a opt-in page and not have any way of either testing the opt-in page or even getting sign ups. Why? the new be will have to know that he/ she needs to drive traffic to the site. Now what .... something else to learn. When you get introduced to the idea of "The money is in the list", it is not exactly clear for newbies that the list building process is just a piece of the puzzle. It sounds more like the answer to having a list of subscribers that you can sell stuff to over and over again.

So I agree, I just think if a newbie asks the correct questions, whey will certainly have it much, much easier today. Lots of free video tutorials and great information in free reports.

Its like a patient going to the clinic. The patient kind of knows what they are suffering from but have no idea where and how to cure themselves. Even if they did, they might choose a drug that contains something that they are allergic to and die or experience a severe medical condition.... you get the picture.
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TLTheLiberator 14 years ago

Originally Posted by JB777

That's an excellent post for someone that is seeking knowledge of the various models.

JB777, I'm just trying to clear the air so that youngsters can understand the awesome opportunity available to them.

Once again youngin, remove the info-overload and confusion and simply research/get/find/piece together or purchase a online business plan/model and do get busy before the masses catch on and it really gets super-super competitive out here in every niche market imaginable.

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14 years ago

Well I´m a newby, I´m a part of an online program that teaches all about being a good affiliate, I didn´t know what an affiliate was before I started, but in 5 days I made $130, pretty nice... but still I think all this is a bit overwhelming, so much information. I get a little bit confused... but that´s probably just in the beginning

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banuelosraul

14 years ago

Yes you are right Newbies have it so easy because everything is layed out for them. But i guess that's how just it works these days.

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14 years ago

Thanks for the info outline. Newbies, where you at? This is totally a self expalnatory info for you

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Originally Posted by dessy01

Thanks for the info outline. Newbies, where you at? This is totally a self expalnatory info for you

Simply get your head on straight and rejoice in your good fortune to be - if you're serious.

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plcarr

14 years ago

I'm a newbie and believe me I know how good I have it!! I've been a member of the forum for awhile but I have only recently started to actively participate. Now the next challenge to overcome is INFORMATION OVERLOAD, there is so much useful info here it's hard to focus on one thing.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by plcarr

I'm a newbie and believe me I know how good I have it!! I've been a member of the forum for awhile but I have only recently started to actively participate. Now the next challenge to overcome is INFORMATION OVERLOAD, there is so much useful info here it's hard to focus on one thing.

Well guess what?

If you don't focus you'll never make any money.

Info-overload is overrated and crushed once you select an income model.

You need to participate by focusing on selecting an income model above.

You don't have that many choices.

Review the income models and select one that you think is best and easiest for you to conduct.

I suggest either...

- The niche affiliate model:

- The adsense model:

or the

- CPA model:

These are the easiest models for newbies to conduct and achieve success.

Hope This Helps!!

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14 years ago

Very comprehensive & no fluff post. Thanks TL!

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by paulpkn

To admit, i was pretty overwhelmed when i first got started with IM. Too much info on the net and people selling their own products.
But what i did was pretty simple, studied the different marketing techniques that various gurus implemented, derived my own business model by picking and choosing, and wrote my own complete action plan. Switched off to the rest of the techniques for time being and practiced the Power of Focus. The results are awesome!

That's what I'm talking about!

Newbies must select a income plan, get the step by step help they need and then get on with the business of conducting the plan.

Plan selection, focus and strategic action are the key to success.

The part of the process that has the most choices for the newbie is how to market your offer(s)...

... not what income plan will you choose.

Too many newbies are allowing the numerous choice of marketing techniques to cloud the picture and create an atmosphere confusion.

Simply select an income plan/model as a first step and it will eliminate all confusion.

What income model are you using for bring in the buckeroos?

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Crash878

14 years ago

sounds great! right now i am starting an affiliate program at the very least i understand that that would be the best route to start on. I am a newbie and i have been doing a ton of research and your right niche affiliate is the way to go. my major issue is understanding the affiliate more and getting some thing coming in.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Crash878

sounds great! right now i am starting an affiliate program at the very least i understand that that would be the best route to start on. I am a newbie and i have been doing a ton of research and your right niche affiliate is the way to go. my major issue is understanding the affiliate more and getting some thing coming in.

Are you starting an affiliate program because you have your own product or do you mean you are about to start promoting affiliate programs as soon as you get some more understanding??

They are two completely different online business models.

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Allen Lewis

14 years ago

You can give someone a Ferrari, but if they don't know how to drive it (or they just want to drive it fast TODAY!), they will crash it.

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hommedespoir 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Allen Lewis

You can give someone a Ferrari, but if they don't know how to drive it (or they just want to drive it fast TODAY!), they will crash it.

Allen

I've been a newbie every year of this century.

I'm still hoping to af-Ford a Ferrari to crash.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by rjg

Excellent points raised. The newby CERTAINLY does have better opportunity these days - however nothing beats the LIVE SEMINAR for the ultra fast rise to the top - providing you can hook a mentor!

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Ray

The high quality live seminars and mentors are usually designed for people that already have an idea of what they're doing such as...

they've already know how to...

- selected an income plan
- selected a niche to operate in
- find or create products to offer to the people of the group/niche
- slapped up landing page(s)
- generating traffic to that page

But there are some very good video courses that will show folks just about everything.

The high priced one on one mentoring is usually teaching advanced traffic and conversion techniques.

A couple years ago I remember Bill Mc of the System Seminar saying on his sales page that if you haven't gone through the basics mentioned above his advanced course is not for you.

Conquer and actually do the basics and everything else will be simple.

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Juris

14 years ago

Yes it is easier for a newbie these days.
I tryed to start my busines 2 or 3 years ago.
Had realy not much information.
Didnt earn anything (ofcorse i expected that i will earn millions in few days ehh) Didnt know adwords as well so i went bankrupt in my new business

Now im back again learning, learning and learning again and only then i will start to put some money in to business if i will have some for the moment

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Paul Myers

14 years ago

Eric,

B4...10 guys making 10000
Now...10000 guys making 10

You're leaving out a LOT of factors in that equation.

There are probably hundreds of times as many people online now as when I got onto the Net. Most of those people are many times more willing to spend money online as they were back then. And they're looking for all types of products that weren't available online in those days.

So I'll pose this question about those "10" guys.

First they started affiliate marketing like us...then they started selling information about HOW TO affiliate market. Now that we all buy their books, what are they making money on next?

Flawed assumption: Most of those people were not making money primarily through affiliate products. They sold their own stuff.

The "next" market in that sequence has already been identified: Higher priced and more in-depth back end products.

There are other sequences, too. It's not much different than offline. There are only so many things people want to buy. The trick is identifying them, and hitting all three of the ways to increase your business. More sales, bigger sales, and selling more often to the same people.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Eric,You're leaving out a LOT of factors in that equation.

There are probably hundreds of times as many people online now as when I got onto the Net. Most of those people are many times more willing to spend money online as they were back then. And they're looking for all types of products that weren't available online in those days.Flawed assumption: Most of those people were not making money primarily through affiliate products. They sold their own stuff.

The "next" market in that sequence has already been identified: Higher priced and more in-depth back end products.

There are other sequences, too. It's not much different than offline. There are only so many things people want to buy. The trick is identifying them, and hitting all three of the ways to increase your business. More sales, bigger sales, and selling more often to the same people.

Paul

Paul's right! ( and he should know)

and I think you're only looking at the "how to make money" niche when there are now numerous other lucrative niches now in the equation.

Everything related to conducting business on the net is 10x better for serious newbies who are ready to first get an proven income model and then take strategic action to create another source of income.

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Internetmoneymaker

14 years ago

You are right it may be easier BUT these ideas only filter down once the experienced Im'ers allow or need to show these things to make money.

I'm new to IM but have just started a offline self employed business in my trade.I want to learn IM to get sites up on the first page for my chosen area\keywords.
The cashcow programme and similar ones are exactly the strategies my offline business use now.
I have plans to start getting into affiliate marketing at a gradual speed.

As with any overpopulated business the secrets come out quicker when more people are vying for a living,this is why some great ideas are coming into play for a newbie far quicker than it might otherwise have.

I am grateful to this forum.I've bought several WSO's not one has been a let down,maybe as I'm new I am absorbing everything but if anyone ACTS on these ideas ,techniques,they will make money.
I think because the internet is so big there are ample opporunities for all.
There is alot crap out there as well,but I can honestly say(and I've parted cash so the answer is honest)nothing here has let me down and IMPLEMENTATION of ideas bought here is the key.

So as a newbie I'd like to thank everyone here for making it easier,I made my first £'s last night as an affiliate,it felt good,the sum was very small but thats not the point I wouldn't have made it without good advice.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Internetmoneymaker

You are right it may be easier BUT these ideas only filter down once the experienced Im'ers allow or need to show these things to make money.

I'm new to IM but have just started a offline self employed business in my trade.I want to learn IM to get sites up on the first page for my chosen areakeywords.
The cashcow programme and similar ones are exactly the strategies my offline business use now.
I have plans to start getting into affiliate marketing at a gradual speed.

As with any overpopulated business the secrets come out quicker when more people are vying for a living,this is why some great ideas are coming into play for a newbie far quicker than it might otherwise have.

I am grateful to this forum.I've bought several WSO's not one has been a let down,maybe as I'm new I am absorbing everything but if anyone ACTS on these ideas ,techniques,they will make money.
I think because the internet is so big there are ample opporunities for all.
There is alot crap out there as well,but I can honestly say(and I've parted cash so the answer is honest)nothing here has let me down and IMPLEMENTATION of ideas bought here is the key.

So as a newbie I'd like to thank everyone here for making it easier,I made my first £'s last night as an affiliate,it felt good,the sum was very small but thats not the point I wouldn't have made it without good advice.
Good luck to everyone out there.

Well the cat is way out the bag now.

All the basics and nearly all the super high level techniques have been revealed.

The newbie needs to get a income plan and conquer the basics of the income plan/model first, then they can get into the super high level techniques.

Sure there's a lot of crap out there but if a person purchases through paypal or clickbank they are protected.

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Spark 14 years ago

Hi Guys,

As i am new here but have been reading IM for quite long time. But now then i really start why? Because in the past it's really info-overload plus that's so much things that i am not comfortable with. However with new business models to learn from. I believe this is the time to really start it.

For me i will just focus on one plan, when i really understand on that plan.[how it's work] Then i will start focus on other plan as they are actually the same but with some tweak here and there.

I believe IM is something that even when you hit 60, you will not get afraid of losing your income..cos as you gain more knowledge..you definitely have more advantage!

IM is the way to go!

However do you start full-time IM when it's suppress your fulltime work or only when you start getting result [Let's say 1000 per month] you will just quit your fulltime job and concentrate on IM?
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krezi

14 years ago

Although I agree that there is a lot more information available to newbies nowadays, I find that the majority of it is unreliable and incomplete.

As a newbie myself, I've found that most of the information I've found online, although boasting to be simple, is actually more complex without proper understanding of internet marketing technologies & principles. Without finding a good mentor, I think newbies nowadays are more likely to sink than swim because they will find contradicting, and often times, incomplete sources of information on particular topics.

You'd be amazed at the amount of people bamboozled out of their hard earned money by listening to all the hype about getting rich quick!

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Ricky Parker 14 years ago

Access to information in my opinion has never been the missing key. Before the internet there were and still are mountains of great books inside of libraries to learn from.

The key has and always will be people taking action. Protection from fraud is nothing. Because no matter the protection set up people will still get screwed one way or another. But when you take action and fail you learn how to roll with the punches and keep on keeping on.

Business online or off is not about luck. It is about action. Take it and you won't need luck.
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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by krezi

Although I agree that there is a lot more information available to newbies nowadays, I find that the majority of it is unreliable and incomplete.

As a newbie myself, I've found that most of the information I've found online, although boasting to be simple, is actually more complex without proper understanding of internet marketing technologies & principles. Without finding a good mentor, I think newbies nowadays are more likely to sink than swim because they will find contradicting, and often times, incomplete sources of information on particular topics.

You'd be amazed at the amount of people bamboozled out of their hard earned money by listening to all the hype about getting rich quick!

I'm not amazed at all.

And why do most of those people fall for those silly get rich quick claims?

I also disagree with the basic premise of your post:

These are the absolute best of times for a newbie that has their head screwed on straight.

Newbies need to understand what a net business models is and that they need to go about finding one to get started with.

Also...

- Successful online business is not a one shot deal - it's a process:

- Successful online business is about doing not endless research etc.

- It's 10x easier for newbies to make good money if they operate outside the "how to make money" niche and not try to sell how to make money materials...

... but instead operate in the numerous other lucrative niches.

- Making money online is not rocket science.

- There are the simple basics such as... ( most most models )

* slap up a page (with content) on the web with money links on it:

* get people to visit that page:

* get enough people to do what you want them to do at the page so you can make decent money:

About confusion...

The newbie gets confused because they have not taken the first major step of getting a proven net business model.

Taking that first step will destroy most of their confusion surrounding online business.

Some people simply need to grow up or they'll never take advantage of the wonderful opportunity online business provides us.

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Josh Anderson

14 years ago

Yep...

When I started out there were far fewer networking and promotional channels. It was far more difficult to get your foot in the door.

Now with video sharing sites, blogs, rss directories, podcast portals, social bookmarking, social networking etc. there are tons of legitimate ways to get your message out and viewed.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Josh Anderson

Yep...

When I started out there were far fewer networking and promotional channels. It was far more difficult to get your foot in the door.

Now with video sharing sites, blogs, rss directories, podcast portals, social bookmarking, social networking etc. there are tons of legitimate ways to get your message out and viewed.

Take it from Mr. Anderson, it's a whole lots easier for newbies these days to do everything and to find success!

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14 years ago

I will agree with everyone above who says the average newbie today has a a lot more free, good quality info accessible to them... and therefor stands a greater chance of actually making some money online.

I also agree that there is way more competition (not necessarily better competition) and much more garbage info out there.

Now, my theory on this is... regardless of when a person starts their online venture... there is a learning curve. And I don't think the average newbie has evolved or anything... so...

Is that learning curve any different now from 2 or 3 years ago... it can be but in most cases, I don't think so...

A newbie today will still be subjected to useless crap flooding their inboxes... (and this is where that information oveload takes place)... and they can spend the next 3 months spinning their wheels, get frustrated and in all probability... just give up.

So how is this different from 2 or 3 years ago?

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krezi 14 years ago

I couldn't agree with you more! Perhaps, that's where I went wrong. The issue is that the learning curve has not changed.
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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Once the newbie gets their head on straight and decides on a proven online business model/plan - that's step # 1 and until the newbie can muster up the courage to do that they will be lost in...

Over-analyzing - Research Something To Death - Mr Info-Overload Land and never make any money.

( A true tragedy since these are the absolute best of times for people with their head screwed on straight and are willing to get busy and go through their own learning curve )

And the learning curve has changed 10x for the better. ( for anyone with common sense )

Here's how...

Website/page creation:

- Now a newbie has numerous quality free websites or blogs for landing pages - that do not have ads all over them.

- Just 3 or 4 years ago a newbie had to purchase a website in order to get started and most did not have the easy point & click templates that are available -

- people had to know HTML and either painstakingly code the website by hand or pay dearly to have others do it for them.

- Now, a newbie does not have to know HTML or purchase a website hosting account to get started and website page creation is a breeze for anyone with basic common sense - that really wants to learn how.

Here's an example of a free high quality website resource:

http://www.synthasite.com/googppc2

When it comes to promotion:

- Now a days a newbie has 100x more places and established methods of promotion - free and paid.

3 years ago, there was no...

... video sharing sites, blogs, rss directories, podcast portals, social bookmarking, social networking, web 2.0 etc. the amount of article directories and let's not forget the newer & awesome content distribution networks that have sprung up over the last year or so...

...there are tons of legitimate ways to get your message out and viewed that were not here just a couple of years ago.

Conversion:

- Now the newbie has numerous easy to install softwares and scripts to maximize their ability to convert visitors into cash when people visit their pages.

Instructional:

Videos are now all over the place and darn cheap or free to actually show someone how to do almost everything anyone has or wants to learn to be successful.

The same could not be said 3 or 4 years ago.

You are dead wrong when you say the issue is that the learning curve has not changed.

Tools and resources for online business success ( free & paid ) are light years ahead of what newbies had to deal with just a couple years ago.

Hope This Helps!!

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Swine43 14 years ago

Nice post! And great conversations after that ... And we newbies are coming here with high-speed!

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jbarnes77777

14 years ago

Great post, newbies do have all the resources they need to get started with steps that have been proven to work.

The only negative here is that it is just as easy if not easier for a newbie to get lost in the ocean of information and not get any desired results. AKA not make any money.

You laid out the different money making models very well. I doubt thought that a newbies are able to figure that out without any trusted help. Every marketer wants the newbies to try their model. The result is a knowledgeable newbie with no money to show for it.

I don't think this is the kind of newbie you are calling lucky, is it?

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14 years ago

While I don't go nearly as far back as some of these guys (I started in 2003)
I will say this much from what I have personally observed.

While there may be more people in each of the main niches than there were
years ago, you didn't nearly have as many people to sell to. I can't even
imagine trying to make a living in the IM niche in 1999. How many people
were really interested in making money online?

Plus, you didn't have nearly as many ways to promote your business then
as you do now. Some of the tools we have today weren't even a thought
of back then.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably choose to start just when I did
and no sooner. 2003 was no picnic trying to find effective ways to get
your business in front of people.

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Charann Miller

14 years ago

Tell me about it back then I was wondering why on earth I needed an autoresponder, it's like cellphones where you never really know why you need it until you have it, now I couldn't imagine not having it, amazing how things change over time and if you think about it it wasn't all that long ago either.

Imagine where IM will be in 10 short years from now.

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

While I don't go nearly as far back as some of these guys (I started in 2003)
I will say this much from what I have personally observed.

While there may be more people in each of the main niches than there were
years ago, you didn't nearly have as many people to sell to. I can't even
imagine trying to make a living in the IM niche in 1999. How many people
were really interested in making money online?

Plus, you didn't have nearly as many ways to promote your business then
as you do now. Some of the tools we have today weren't even a thought
of back then.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably choose to start just when I did
and no sooner. 2003 was no picnic trying to find effective ways to get
your business in front of people.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by jbarnes77777

Great post, newbies do have all the resources they need to get started with steps that have been proven to work.

The only negative here is that it is just as easy if not easier for a newbie to get lost in the ocean of information and not get any desired results. AKA not make any money.

You laid out the different money making models very well. I doubt thought that a newbies are able to figure that out without any trusted help. Every marketer wants the newbies to try their model. The result is a knowledgeable newbie with no money to show for it.

I don't think this is the kind of newbie you are calling lucky, is it?

I'm saying that newbies are lucky these days because they simply have tons more how to materials, proven net business models, tools to perform tasks, resources, traffic generation methods, how to videos etc.

More of everything to succeed and much easier to use these days.

But first...

... the newbie must take some time to discover and then declare a proven net business model/plan and doing so will cut through a lot of the info-overload that many newbies claim is slowing down their progress.

Once a net business model is declared the newbie can move on to success and success comes from actually doing.

The vast majority of money-making online business veterans will agree with my core position.

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Eric Evans

14 years ago

synthasite eh??? Do you have any good examples of sites you made with this software? Sorry for slightly going off topic here, but this software looks pretty clean and I'd like to see an example before I test it out.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Eric Evans

synthasite eh??? Do you have any good examples of sites you made with this software? Sorry for slightly going off topic here, but this software looks pretty clean and I'd like to see an example before I test it out.

Thanks!

I'm not going to show you or anyone else my landing pages in the various niches I operate in. Not gana do it. ( too many copy cats )

I just handed you a free website/landing page maker and you want to see examples of what I've done before you test it out?

Have you ever slapped up a webpage or blog page before?

Because if you or anyone else that seeks online income doesn't learn how to do a very basic operation like slapping up pages on the web, chances are you'll never make any real money online. ( this applies to most net business income models )

About Me??

I'm been in 6 figure territory for almost 2 years and 99% of my online income comes from niches that have absolutely nothing to do with helping people make money online.

All I'm trying to do at this forum is to help newbies get off the sickening, bitchin and moaning info-overload-research to death -everything-must be perfect before I do anything boat they're riding straight to never ever make any real money land...

... at the beginning of a golden age for conducting online business.

I couldn't care less if you or anyone else never purchased my how to make money course because my income does not revolve around it - and never will.

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Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator

How do you plan to earn income??

Here are a few suggestions:

TLTL,
If you check out the link below, you'll see how far back I asked for a "menu of options" to show us newbies what kinds of IM businesses were available so that we could choose the one that best suited us (see number '2' on the list):

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...tml#post198451

You've now provided that menu. Thank you very much.

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Robinlee 14 years ago

Well Im a newby going on one year now and I will tell you I have learned alot. Pretty much my take on the whole thing of Internet Marketing is that for 90% of us all, the chances of becoming financially independent is remote and very much a dream.

I've just about been thru it all. You name IT ebooks of all kinds, affiliated websites (some of which I fail to know where its located). I guess you could say that I suffer a great deal from Information Overload and Analysis Paralysis (although I just recently came to know what it is called for lack of better word). This is probably because most of the money in Internet Marketing is being made from selling the information about Internet marketing rather than sellers putting those principals to practice (you know just sell it to some poor dumb naive slob who wants to learn IM...there's plenty of us out here)

It has become quite obvious to me that everyone (including their mother-in-laws) want to do Internet Marketing. This includes those that are knowledgeable and unknowledgeable. I often wonder with this kind of competition on the net who would be so willing to pass out really genuine useful information?

That would be like passing out your secret weapon.

The competition has just become unmerciful and the marketers of Im materials are probably just sitting back laughing.

Although I've managed to savior a few trophies among the junk I have collected along the way, from here on in its going to take an act of God to get into my wallet. Im about 30 days from my credit card being brought down to a zero balance after much sacrifice and from then on in Im takin a firmer stance on what I buy over the internet. Every decision must be made based on thorough research and investigation and if it can't be validated by what I consider reliable sources (one of which is Warrior Forum) "sayanotta".

From listening and reading some of the posts in this forum and other forums on the net, there seems to be an addiction syndrom associated with Internet Marketing. Some people just can't let go of the dream of being a successful Internet Marketer. I for one don't intend to be counted
among them. Right now I am about 3/4 of the way to "THE BIG DECISION" which is rather Internet Marketing is worth the time and the money. Folks I have just got to CRACK DOWN.

I've had the opportunity to chat with some of the greatest people you ever wanted to meet on-line that were Internet Marketers (some right here in Warrior Forum). They were very courageous and to me that represents a real guru. After much considerable investment in terms of money and time they have elected to toss in the towel on Internet Marketing.......and that takes guts... I intend to follow suit by the date of 2010....the new year if I don't start seeing some better results. I feel this is necessary to move on and see what else life has to offer. Hopefully the lessons I have learned in Internet Marketing will be applicable to what ever interests I choose to take on in the future.
Thats pretty much my take. How that for maturity??
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Fairy1001

14 years ago

i disagree, i think its a whole lot harder for newbies these days,

back in the 90s earning money online was easy as taking candy from a baby. things have gotten far more complicated since then and competition has increased like crazy.

there maybe more people talking about IM but that doesnt mean its easy,
i can talk about being the best footballer in the world but it doesnt mean i am.

more competition + more complex search engines amongst other things = harder for noobs

just my opinion

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by daveo342

i disagree, i think its a whole lot harder for newbies these days,

back in the 90s earning money online was easy as taking candy from a baby. things have gotten far more complicated since then and competition has increased like crazy.

there maybe more people talking about IM but that doesnt mean its easy,
i can talk about being the best footballer in the world but it doesnt mean i am.

more competition + more complex search engines amongst other things = harder for noobs

just my opinion

I agree with you daveo342.

With the sharp rise in unemployment thousands are trying IM for a living, finding it not as easy as it looks and giving up. IMO the ones supplying the tools are making money from the influx of new people.

The get rich quick shemes are also flourishing but, you have to treat it like a business, invest and see what the return is, experiment and split test everything.

What works for one person may not work for another, I watched a video of a top IM guy who's niche is auto insurance, he has 700 web sites and spends over $100K per month with adwords. Takes the view if for example you spend $50K on a campaign with a return of $60K then there is a profit. Money goes to money every time.

If your starting out then, you have to go steady with the finances, it is very easy to blow away money and get little or nothing in return. All the gurus say they started with nothing, lost money in the early days.

The next fatal error is to jump from one thing to another, have done this myself so many times. It is vital to research your niche, reverse engineer the competition, test and keep testing until you hit on something good.

Aim at developing your own product so you can have thousands of affiliates to promote it, this will explode your traffic and your bank account almost over night, this is auto pilot business.

You can plonk around on the free social stuff you may get lucky who knows, in general IM is IMO "how long is a piece of string".

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Glenn Bradley Cooper

TL, I think this post should become a sticky for a while to really drive your points home.
Your straight shooting is really important and highlights some fundamentals that are all to easily glossed over in the current rampage to rewards trend.
On behalf of the "Noob" armada I thank you

Glenn, I hear so much about info-overload etc. and all I'm trying to do with this thread is to help clear the air and make it much easier for people to move on to a profitable online based
business.

The longer people delay in declaring their online business model the longer before they actually get started with the money making process.

TL

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Steve Brown

14 years ago

O.K. I'm going to show my newbism. How do you make money with a blog? Sorry if it's an insulting question, but I thought blogs were like diaries.

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TLTheLiberator 14 years ago

Originally Posted by eaglewingmd

O.K. I'm going to show my newbism. How do you make money with a blog? Sorry if it's an insulting question, but I thought blogs were like diaries.

Well, one simple way to make money with a blog is to put content on the blog ( of course ) and to have those "ads by Goooogle" (adsense ) around the ads.

Blogger.com blogs make this real easy to happen and is a great starter blog.

After you set up your blog you can apply for Google's Adsense program.

When people visit your blog and read your content and then click on one of the ads on your blog you make money and no one has to buy anything.

How much you make per click depends on what niche you're in and the keywords you use.

How much you make for the entire operation also depends of the amount of visitors you get at the blog.

Become a master of traffic generation and you can write your own ticket.

I'd personally rather use a blog to generate visitors to my offers instead of to generate income from/at the blog via Google's Adsense program.

Hope This Helps!!!

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14 years ago

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profedu

14 years ago

am still lost

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Diane S 14 years ago

Originally Posted by profedu

am still lost

What are you lost about? How to include a live link in your signature?

You have a most amazing website as your forum signature. Is that your website? Are you really telling others that they can make a fortune with forex trading, in their sleep, with no computer? Wow! If you know how to do what that blogspot website claims to do for others, what in the world would you be doing here at a thread for newbies? You must be a millionaire yourself, right? I mean you know how to make tons of money in your sleep without a computer, right?

Oh, pardon me, perhaps that is not your website. Perhaps you are out forum spamming for someone else and getting paid to do that. Well, that certainly is one type of income stream. But the person did not get their money's worth here.

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Eric X Vignola

14 years ago

I think regardless of where you are people are always willing to share their success secrets. Especially if they are really wealthy. It does not have to do with the number of people making large sums of money.

You have to understand you do not get rich by hording wealth. That is a fast track to the broke house. You have to SHARE your riches, no matter how small.

Now "riches" can be love, information, money, it can be anything you have that you want more of. If you keep it to yourself you will go nowhere fast.

Just look at the marketers who share information. The more they share for free, the more they just give away the more they make. The bigger the "secret" the larger the pay-off.

Sure you can make money for a little while on your own but it wont last and you will be tired a)from doing all the work yourself b) for seeing such small returns.

Open up and share and you might just be surprised at how much you can make by focusing on giving away instead of just taking in.

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MavisAA

14 years ago

It does help. I have found if you are willing to invest some time upfront in acquiring the fundamental skills necessary for internet business success and have the right mindset you do not have to stay a newbie for very long.

It's a whole new world that offers amazing possibilities.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MavisAA

It does help. I have found if you are willing to invest some time upfront in acquiring the fundamental skills necessary for internet business success and have the right mindset you do not have to stay a newbie for very long.

It's a whole new world that offers amazing possibilities.

That's all I'm trying to get across to newcomers and those that have been around for some time without breaking through.

Stick with simple but effective online business models such as...

- Niche Affiliate:

- CPA:

- Adsense:

- Domain Investor Model:

If you don't want to build landing pages, generate traffic etc. you can investigate...
where you buy/create domain names and then resell them for profits. Just like owning real estate but lots cheaper.

Don't worry about all the different traffic generation strategies now as it only leads to confusion if you don't have a business model.

Do your research, declare your online business model and lots of confusion and info-overload will be vanquished.

Times have never been better for those with their heads screwed on straight!

TL

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mistermint

14 years ago

Hi Everybody,

I'm new to warrior and enjoying reading the threads.

Your making some really good points here, I started playing around with a few small on line offers a few years ago. First thing I learnt was some HTML, ftp and then putting pay-pal links on my pages etc, the basics of adwords, spent a fortune to get up and running, learning what I could on the run. So, your new to the IM world and don't really know where to or how to start getting traffic.

IMO is not so difficult these days due to most of the hard work has been done by others, you can start an affiliate business for $7 and even get goog and yahoo coupons to get you going with CPC.

Now, after floundering around for the past couple of years, I realised I needed more income so, decided to give IM a really good go, I am focused, work hard and basically know what I want and what I need to do but, the internet is changing on a daily basis, it appears your only as good as the last guru who's video you saw or mailshot you read.

While yes, you can say the mechanics got easier as all the tools available now help a lot, us newbies are still very small fish in what has become an ocean with, I must add, a fair number of sharks swimming around in. My favourite banners are those with dollars flying out the PC screen.

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bedeiah

14 years ago

That is interesting info. I am a newbie and have made a little money with Google adsense, and have made some with promoting other people's products.
I pray things improve quickly so I make much more money. But thanks.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

You're welcome!

You mentioned prayer so I hope you'll permit me to proclaim...

God helps those that help themselves.

I think it means that God appreciates the mature attitudes and most importantly the actions of those that don't mind taking action instead of hoping something happens with their internet based business.

What are your plans to expand your net based earnings?

God Bless!

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mistermint

14 years ago

Good point TLT

I'm going to stick at it and try different ways of earning a crust. The only thing which really annoys me is this, I get constant comments from my family like " You've been playing on the computer for hours"

Even if your new or experienced it is a must do to keep tweaking, improving your pages, campaigns etc constantly, unless your very very lucky, there is no autopilot millions as far as I'm aware.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mistermint

Good point TLT

I'm going to stick at it and try different ways of earning a crust. The only thing which really annoys me is this, I get constant comments from my family like " You've been playing on the computer for hours"

Even if your new or experienced it is a must do to keep tweaking, improving your pages, campaigns etc constantly, unless your very very lucky, there is no autopilot millions as far as I'm aware.

If you're married, simply help your wife understand what you're trying to do for the family.

There's nothing wrong with working on your business and not in your business to insure the steady flow of your profits.

But...

Autopilot income comes into play when you're not doing a lot of personal work but the income is ongoing and steady.

Perhaps all you're doing is monitoring your numbers to make sure they at least stay steady.

For the millions you mentioned, lots and lots of visitors are necessary.

The autopilot income can also come into play when you have tweaked a sales process that's very predictable and your traffic generation is on autopilot:

There are 3 ways that I know of that can be used for autopilot traffic generation:

1: Working on your business so that you'll eventually be...

- receiving tons of free traffic from the search engines:

You get high listing in the search engines and you stay there with minimal monthly upkeep/work:

2: Or you're...

- Outsourcing your traffic generation:

Paying people to do traffic generation actions for you.

3: Or you're...

Buying a lot of visitors:

Example:

PPC or Google's Site Placement Advertising Programs or the dozens of other sources and methods of simply paying for visitors.

For autopilot millions you need a lot of visitors to one offer or a whole lot of offers.

I mean a lot of visitors!

Example: ( with the niche affiliate model )

500,000 total visitors per month free or paid or combo:

( this will probably have to be at least 10-15-20 different offers across different niches )

and...

1% eventually purchase a product/service in which you earn $20 a pop: ( per sale )

(500,000 x 1%)

That would come to __________ sales x $20 per sale = _______________.

That = ___________ income per month x 12 months = ______ per year.

The math comes out to $100,000.00 per month x 12 months = $1,200,000.00 per year:

This type of income is highly possible and I'm sure some folks are doing this and much better.

How much of that 1.2 million per year you keep depends on how you promote- free or paid or combo and how much it will cost you right?.

It just something that you should aspire to work your way up to.

I advocate, working hard and smart in your business to earn income so that you can eventually turn that income into autopilot income by one or more of the traffic tactics I mentioned above.

As soon as you're making at least $500 per month - look for ways to use the money to ease your workload etc - but still make money money than when you had to do the work yourself.

As soon as possible start looking for ways to outsource and automate as much as possible.

This should be the goal of most every online business person.

It may not be in the millions but everyone should shoot for 100k and it all starts by declaring a net business model and taking advantage of this wonderful opportunity we have using a net based business.

Hope This Helps!!

TL

Ps. There are people making great money without doing a whole lot of work themselves and you can eventually get there also.

PPS. IMHO, everything is much easier in niches that have nothing to do with selling how to make money materials.

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Traffic101

14 years ago

I agree. I just recently purchased a fully automated site for $20.00. All I had to do was upload it to my ftp server, and it was online. It's over 1500+. For the past two years I've been trying to promote my blog, when really all I had to do was spend $20 on this website.

To say the least I am happy, very happy. This website has 1500+ of content rich pages with google adsense. If I was to make my own it would take me years to get it this far along. I haven't made much money cause I just got it yesterday, but I am very excited. If it wasn't for all the methods, and all the help you can find on the internet, I would be no where. So thanks to all the products I bought to find what works.

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gaptel

14 years ago

This is a great write up for all newbies... its like options of IM success road maps ..just to choose based on your personality and what you want to achieve.

Thanks for posting this

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gaptel

This is a great write up for all newbies... its like options of IM success road maps ..just to choose based on your personality and what you want to achieve.

Thanks for posting this

You're welcome!

All I'm trying to do is the help folks understand how special these times are for those that seriously want to achieve success.

TL

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krezi 14 years ago

To all the newbies, the key to success online is heavily correlated to an understanding and application of seo! Plain and simple.

Without understanding how to optimize your web pages for search engine optimization, you'll most likely spend a lot of money on marketing and promotion programs without really knowing where your money is going.

So my recommendation is to learn as much as you can about seo and apply all of what you learn because there are so many methods you can optimize your web pages without breaking the bank.
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mistermint

14 years ago

Just posted this another thread regarding erm marketing money making systems.

I do promote a couple of how to systems but, I always buy in to them first to see if they are any good. One I'm promoting right now is possibly the best so far, it would (it has) saved a newbie like me a great deal of time and shown a lot of shortcuts. The tutorials are great and has multi business systems.

IMO what happens is, a newbie only get's part of the puzzle, very rarely can you buy in to a system which is very complete with step by step instructions and examples.

Main point is your start up budget, the more cash you have available and provided your not floundering around and wasting it then, logically, the numbers will work for you. Quite a few people are making a good living from flipping ebay items, domain names, web sites etc.

If your on a limited budget then, you have to use the many free resources available such as, squidoo, blogger and article posts. There is a tonne of stuff out there for free, not always good but, it is free.

In many IM success stories, think it is fair to say most started from hard times with limited or no spare money. Important thing is, never forget where you came from and the people who helped you on your way, always help others when you can.

You can't hit the target if you don't know what your aiming at.

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dmhinman

14 years ago

I personally think that newbies are willing to spend more time on their dreams. They thrive on motivation to keep pushing forward.

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pj413

14 years ago

I have chosen to begin my internet marketing career with the niche affiliate model & after I get the hang of things I will create my own info product to sale. This thread has been very helpful to me, and I must say thank you to TLTL for creating this tread.

Does anyone recommend a step by step guide that I can pick up in WSO, Which will guide me through the niche affiliate plan?

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by pj413

I have chosen to begin my internet marketing career with the niche affiliate model & after I get the hang of things I will create my own info product to sale. This thread has been very helpful to me, and I must say thank you to TLTL for creating this tread.

Does anyone recommend a step by step guide that I can pick up in WSO, Which will guide me through the niche affiliate plan?

This sounds like a person that's going places - profitable online business land.

Why?

PJ has buckled down and chosen a online business model and now he's looking for step by step info and tools on conducting the plan.

Because PJ has done some strategic thinking and made that initial choice, he won't experience the massive confusion and info-overload numerous others will be saddled with who have summoned the willpower to make that critical choice of a net business model.

Congrats are in order PJ, you're definitely on the right track.

All The Best In Your Quest!

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mistermint

14 years ago

Hi PJ: Very positive attitude well done!

You don't need to reinvent the wheel these days hence, this thread spells it out for everyone.

Good Luck!!

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mistermint

14 years ago

Hi,

IMO when you start out it is easy to jump from one opportunity to another, I've done myself, the right way I think is to be good at one aspect at a time otherwise, you become a jack of all trades and master of none.

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brandonhess

14 years ago

All the business plans are not the answer. I think that You need to find a great sponsor, and a great program. I think that all sponsors should help their referrals as much as they can. Otherwise they will have a lot of dead weight in their downline.

I personally try to do all I can for anyone who joins me in my 2 programs. If they need me I am there. If your referrals get lost and cannot figure things out, they are of no use.

Think about it.

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

Originally Posted by brandonhess

All the business plans are not the answer. I think that You need to find a great sponsor, and a great program. I think that all sponsors should help their referrals as much as they can. Otherwise they will have a lot of dead weight in their downline.

I personally try to do all I can for anyone who joins me in my 2 programs. If they need me I am there. If your referrals get lost and cannot figure things out, they are of no use.

Think about it.

Looks like you're promoting what I feel and know is the absolute worst net business model available - mlm.

10x more people have been successful with those plans you mentioned than mlm.

When you look at the vast majority of people that have failed and quit with their net business 90% of them have been victims of mlm or team building, network marketing, downline building - or whatever their calling it.

MLM sounds easy to do but in fact all you're doing is making someone else like the people that created the program rich.

You'll learn sooner or later.

TL

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BestWarry

14 years ago

the main problem facing noobs now is the great confusion arising from information overload...so many choices could create people jumping all around and lacking focus...just like me lol.

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mistermint

14 years ago

Hi, that was my point^

" Systems don't fail mostly people fail to impliment them properly"

IMO people fail to try off line marketing to support thier business, why not do both?

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AndrewL

14 years ago

You have said it, if a new IM just takes a proven plan and puts the work into it, they will make money. I started setting ups blogs and using adsense to monitize them just last year, and I now make my full time income from IM.

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mistermint

14 years ago

Hi Guys, I'm pretty much like Robinlee. Have been playing around with IM for quite some time. This year decided that I would really give it a good go!

Christmas I run an adwords campaign for wii downloads from Clickbank, it was going really well one day I even made over $800, in my ignorance google just about banned me for copyright etc even, a lot of IM's were doing exactly the same thing. Anyway, the product got pulled from CB and the sales dwindled.

My next venture was MSN loophole, this cost me a lot of time and money, the 30 odd sites I put together with 10 bloggs has so far failed to pay off after 5 months, maybe it needs longer, some sites did hit page 1 and 2 on google though, traffic was slow. Have now started to modify the sites to have adsense, and waiting.

Tried Maverick Money Maker but, most of the content was for the very inexperienced while the logic was sound the methods didn't really pay well, not for me anyway. When I hear that some IM's are spending close to $100K per month on pay per click then, way out of my league. Flipping cameras on ebay and putting signs out on the road didn't really appeal either.

Getting back to what Robinlee is saying: I was feeling the same way, just kind of leave whats running running and give it to the end of the year however, I'm not one to quit and not frightened of hard work leads me to a kind of funny story that happend to me this weekend.

Had been really tired on Satruday night so took myself to bed early around 9-30pm, fell in to a deep sleep ( no I didn't see God in a dream and he showed me the way in IM). At 4am I was awakened by a knocking on the door, thought it was my wife home from night duty and forgot her keys, went downstairs half asleep, to find it was the guy next door home from a drinking session and locked himself out, he was the one knocking at the door, second looked at the clock to see it was 4am, made some coffee, by this time I'm kind of waking up, went on the computer to do the usual stuff email etc.

The first email I opened was from a guy at paydot, how he made $41K on adsense, thinking yeah sure though, I hear google have the UPS club to whom they send cheques for $10K and up by UPS every week. What the hell, nothing much to do at 4am so I went to his squeeze page, the more I looked the more the penny dropped.

What was the offer, a complete fully optimised adsense ready site with hundreds of articles on a variety of topics plus, a lot of automated video pages, the whole deal is 1600 pages, the vendor says he started making just $1 per page per month then it snowballed to $41K per month. OK I thought, I can see the logic because as many say "content is king". Next I'm thinking, this will cost a packet, the complete deal is $20, took me about 10 seconds to jump in and buy it. It was exactly what I was looking for, in fact I had just paid a guy $50 to create a search page for one site but, it can't hold a candle to the $20 deal with 1600 pages.

My biggest fear was having to change my adsense ID in 1600 pages but, there is a search & replace software with it, I'm tweaking but, it took less than 1 hour to get the complete thing live. I also signed up for the affiliate.

So Robinlee, keep at it and lets hope we can stay up with AndrewL.

You can compare the two sites from my signature, don't want to be accused of spamming thanks. Take it for a test drive the new site is on go2

Good Luck.

PS: Any feedback would be appreciated.

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Chris Stigson

14 years ago

If there are more people getting into it, that means there are more customers too

yay! Benefits. The bad part is that 1,672 people promote "work at home" today... when there are like 2 people promoting the 'useful niches'.

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14 years ago

Hi thtehlibrator you are right but add to it too many scam and junky informations .

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14 years ago

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TLTheLiberator

14 years ago

To the doubters...

I understand your feelings, especially if you're having a hard time but 99% of "money making" online business vets will not agree with you and for very good reason.

They were involved then and they are involved now and it's a world of difference for newbies.

- Now you have tons of video courses to show you what to do and when to do it for most any online business model you choose to use:

- Now there are more proven net business models to choose from:

- Now there are more clearly defined groups of people to market to:

- Now there are more affiliate products and services for the people of these niches:

- Now there are tons more online business softwares and services to help use do what we need to do easier, faster and cheaper:

- Now there are more channels and methods of advertising than years ago:

It's no contest.

Regarding get rich schemes, most of them revolve around some sort of mlm etc.

Stay away from that crap and deal with proven online business models and you've increased your chances for success 1000%.

I never said it was easy but I am saying it's 10X easier for a complete newbie to create an profitable online business today verses just a few short years ago.

Hope This Helps!!

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