How would you spend $200 each month?

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Option 1:
Senuke X, Ultra Spun Minis, indexing service

Option 2:
Adding 7 or 8 aged domain, high PR blogs to a private network + Article Ranks and Authority Link Network + Ultra Spin Minis
#main internet marketing discussion forum #$200 #month #spend
  • I would choose option 1.
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    • Why option 1? Do you desire the automation? Do you feel that the software is more powerful than private networks?
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  • For me it's definitely option 2. It seems more whitehat to me.
  • I will use option 2.
  • Probably option 1.
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  • Option 3. Groceries.
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      It looks like Laurence wins (again): I have to agree with Laurence, anyway, whose post above (whether intended literally or not) is a much better and more reasonable answer than some will appreciate.

      I wouldn't consider either of the options offered in the OP because in my opinion they both completely miss the point, and are based around quantitative/PR approaches to SEO, from neither of which I'd really expect my sites to get any significant, long-term benefits at all.

      In fact I used to do some of "that sort of stuff" a year or two ago, and saw its effectiveness gradually decreasing, exactly as Google and others said it would - and have now completely stopped spending money on this, concentrated only on approaches based around relevance and quality and am doing better than ever before, for rankings.

      SEO, these days, is all about quality and relevance. Everything emanating from Google tells us that, over and over and over again. It's also easily verifiable by anyone willing to look at the evidence: all the statements on various Google and Matt Cutts blogs and videos; what all the newer editions of the standard SEO textbooks are telling us; my own experience and that of others I know and trust, whose information has proven reliable to me in the past, and so on.

      We can see from the increasing regularity with which lower-PR pages with fewer incoming backlinks are outranking higher-PR pages with more incoming backlinks in Google's SERP's, and by assessing the SEO quality of top-ranked sites for keywords of medium and low competition, that all that really matters now is quality and relevance.

      Page ranks without relevance are not much good. "Numbers of backlinks" alone are virtually no good at all.

      Both options 1 and 2 are seriously misguided, in my opinion, and option 3 ("groceries") is therefore the clear winner here: sorry.

      If you want a business that depends on Google for its traffic (and that's a very risky business, which will only ever be one algorithm-change away from a potential disaster), at least spend your money on something aimed in the right direction, based solely on quality and relevance, that's likely to be of some real, long-term benefit, and stop trying to "game the system", which is what most (maybe all) of what you've listed above is actually designed for. In the long run, it won't pay.

      One thing is for sure: people who are switching their SEO endeavours from quantitative to qualitative approaches are not switching back.

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  • A wise Japanese man once said to me, (true story!)
    "If you don't know which path to take, simply choose ONE path and by walking along that ONE path only YOU will know if that path is the RIGHT path. "

    Hope this helps

    Melvin
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    • Melvin, I would completely agree with you. And with that said, I would seek out a quality online business coach and get as much coaching as possible for that $200 per month so that I could snowball my success in this ONE area.
    • I love this Melvin!

      It reminds me of testing.

      I firmly believe that best thing one can do for their business is to test because each business is as individual as the business owner themselves. Each may target a different audience or a different purpose from within that same audience. (I hope I made that clear).

      Anyway, what may be a smashing success for one may not have the same results for the other.

      When I read through thoughtful and helpful posts from others, I see them as the beginning of a path to take for testing myself.

      Terra
  • I'm undecided on either

    Option 3: Groceries

    or

    Option 4: Donate half to Ken and then half to KimW.
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  • I don't like either option, but if I had to choose 1 it would be option 1.
  • I would just stop listening to whatever and whoever tells or influences you in your decision, most are based on "long time ago i did.." or "i think that.." ..it will just create more confusion to you.

    Thing is, either of the options you choose to do, you better be sure on what and how you intend to use it, what is your real goal and how far so you see yourself with the strategy you might potentially choose.

    It is nothing new at all that relevance and qulity counts, it has always counted. I would actually keep this point very close to mind. The quality abd relevant links however can be obtained (acquire links, publish a story/report or simply content on relevant sites) or even achieved/created with a combination of your two mentioned options.

    Gosh hate writing long replies from the phone..Will try and edit when i get back to my pc
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    • This is about the worse advice you can give as there are only a few options to chose from that work

      1: Find relevant links
      2: Spent money on private blog networks
      3: Find high PR pages that aren't spammed hugely (terrible search work)

      As the guy is young he probably don't want or can't spent a lot of money so only 1 option left and that is builidng relevant links instead of spamming the place all over without getting rewarded
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  • You could always look into getting it outsourced.
  • option 2 looks better
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    • Said the man selling edu and blog comment links.

      Well for the edu there is something to say, I'm looking for something to replace it with, but well as long as there is demand....

      The blog comments are on high pr PAGES, so they are definetly worth a lot, the reason for the low price of $35,- is that I have no guarantee that they will stay forever. Try to rent 15 high PR links and see what you'll spent a month. I bet it's a lot more then $35,-/month.

      Anyway, option2 is the way to go for $200/month. With option1 you'll still spent a lot of time cause you have to backlink the backlinks or it will be a waste of time+money at the start.
  • I choose to spend money with people to produce quality work. Finding good people is the most important part of my business. I do not find that building mini web sites is always the best option. Instead I would probably choose to purchase Just 1 of the options you provided And then spend future revenue on Quality people to help build my business.
  • Option 1. You can use it for own sites and offer a service to earn extra cash
  • Of course option 2! Don't forget it is panda age!
  • Definitely , option 2 , as for me , both are same price then why dont we go with White hatt as i dont think google would like those links , i mean i have heard its not good
  • Good question and good replies here.

    For Alexa or anyone else who wants to answer this :

    Would using Scrapebox or other such software to create lots of backlinks on non-related blogs which have been spammed to death with other backlinks actually harm position in the SERPs ? Or would it mostly give a neutral type of result ?

    Thanks
  • outsource seo and backlinking.
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  • Go with option 1! :-)
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    But then when you choose option 1 the op asks why? eventhough, the OP didn't give much info when he wrote this posts.
  • Spend your $200 on traffic.

    Pick an offer, buy your traffic, see if it converts.

    If it doesn't - look at why - and if it's something in your control change it and try again.

    If it's something you can't control - pick a new offer and keep looking tilll you find one that does convert.

    When you find one that does convert scale it up as much as you can!
  • I've enjoyed reading through the replies in this thread and appreciate everyone's input. The catalyst for my question is a few months of poor results with a primarily Senuke strategy.

    My rankings slowly crept backwards even though I spent hours and hours and hours refining my efforts. It also seemed like I was always one tool away from success. First it was Senuke X, then it was IPs, Scrapebox, training membership, ultra spun articles, upgraded indexing, etc. This approach required a lot of cash and more importantly (to me) a TON of time learning how to make it all tick. No matter what I tried, my rankings were still on the slow crawl backwards. I got sick of seeing reports of marketer's ranks trending up while mine continued to trend down.

    Since my original post here, I pulled the plug on option one and began a few things that could be categorized under option two. Within a week I saw the results that I had hoped for with my months of nuking. Getting a few contextual links from blogs with a bit if PR did wonders for my SERPs. I'm now getting results for way less money and way less work. You may be thinking option one is automated so how much work can it take. Nuking was taking hours and hours every day, just ask my wife.

    Based on my experience, I believe that a number of relevant backlinks from authority pages is far better than thousands of PR0 mini blog links. Out of a couple thousand Senuke backlinks, only a handful stuck...no more than 20. For me, it just isn't worth the time or the money.

    My next step is to move away from Vita Vees premium and mini spins. They get indexed, but the links simply do not show up in Majestic. I have to believe that these links are devalued in some way. It's a big step because spinning is extremely tedious, but I think it will be worth the effort.

    Thanks again for the great feedback. I appreciate each of you.
  • Use it on options 2
  • This has been some of the best reading I have come across thus for on page ranks and content info. I use to spam back links with a number of services but came to the realization (after Panda :/) that this was an unsustainable practice and am now looking to develop a more bullet proof service. I really value my customers and want to do a great job for them (seriously). Long question short, I use Scrapebox to harvest URL's but I manually request links after filtering the results. Is this a good practice or should I do this all manually?
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      This is absolutely untruthful, Mike.

      I have no services to promote in this forum, and I have NOT had a sig-file promoting any services.

      On the contrary      , what I've had in my sig-file for most of the last 2 years is a link to a site announcing very clearly and unambguously that I have NO services to promote (which I'd put there in an attempt to discourage people from asking by private messge, which they do several times a day). :rolleyes:

      Indeed not.

      One side can play it, and the other side can't.

      Funny that, isn't it? Makes it kind of easy for people to see which side has their own financial incentive underlying their perspective and which side doesn't. And sometimes that's very relevant, too.

      Looking forward to seeing your equally prominent and unreserved "apology and retraction", please.
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  • Option 3. BOOZE
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    • I pick this option as well.

      But if I had to pick between the other two I go with option 1. SENUKE X has made me lots of money and its fully automated which is great.
  • Option 3

    A combination of marketing tactics shared by Alexa Smith and Mike Anthony on this forum.
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    • I would spend $200 each month on publishing fresh, unique and engaging
      content that provides real value to the reader.

      Backlinks, even those coming from relevant sites, are no longer enough.
      In order to rank high, quality backlinks are necessary, but not enough.

      Only sites with ever new and ever growing relevant content will be ranked
      high in the near future. Sites that actually deserve to show up on the 1st
      page of search results. Sites that attract and engage users, in other words,
      top quality sites.

      The old SEO as we know it is dying.
    • That would be outstanding in my books. I have often told Alexa that in terms of creating content for syndication and whitehat linkbait her strategies work well in SEO but she has always taken the view (At least every time I see her railing againt SEO) that they are exclusive. To be fair to her I think thats based on the great love that people have for spammy link building but there is much more to SEO than that.

      The antiSEo or undereducated in SEo always seem to think that its quality and relevance versus SEO. YOu can have all of the above. They also claim that SEo makes you vunerable to Google but what they leave out of the equation is like any kind of advertising how you get the word out there to people that lets them know you exist leads to ongoing traffic. If your traffic dries up the minute you are not ranking then its your site not the SEO that makes you vunerable.
  • Well, since a hot French maid in a skimpy outfit isn't on the list, I'd opt for paid traffic. Screw SEO and Google. There are some real bargains to be found in the paid traffic arena that are often far less than paying for SEO or less than the time spent to do it yourself. Oh wait, paid traffic ain't there either. Oh, well... :rolleyes:
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    • I agree on some of what Mike and Alexa say, however, I have been doing SEO for 13 years and have sites in highly competitive niches in position 1,2, or 3 of Google and have for many years.

      I have used and continue to use aged domains on high PR blogs and it works wonders. The results speak for themselves. Now, that is not all I do, but it is part of my overall link building and SEO strategy.

      Saying this however, I do agree that you should ALWAYS focus on QUALITY and provide a great experience and great information to your users. If you focus on this FIRST, then use option 2 as part of your overall strategy you should be fine.
  • Option 2 if those blogs are high-quality and have the same thematic.
  • Paid ads
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    • i'd go in this direction as well. Adwords with proper targeting
  • In my opinion, option 2 is much much better than the other one.
  • If I cared about SEO then I would just Google "SEO" and see what comes up at the top of the listings... They probably know what they are talking about.


    I'm just curious, is one of those sites yours, Mike? I looked at the first ten pages of results but didn't see the site you list in your signature. I was also looking at their PR and the PR of a lot of their backlinks... Well, I don't understand all of that SEO stuff so I won't pretend that I do.



    As for the $200 per month, I would spend it on sushi. Well, actually, sashimi for those of you who know the difference. But definitely Japanese food. Not sure how I would survive only eating once a week on such a small budget, but I would figure out a way.
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    • actually sorry but this Mike is just too smart for you. See he's been around WF awhile and he knows that just like you tried to do many people on WF try to reverse engineer and look up other people's backlinks for um "curiosity" :rolleyes:.

      No offense to those who don't know better but when you do know better you would have to be a blithering idiot to try and rank your site in a competitive niche and put it in your sig on WF. You just proved why. You would have to use your best link building assets and techniques to rank and then cough, cough er someone would discover and expose those assets with a backlink checker for free.

      I haven't and don't put a single backlink to ANY site in my signature. For what? A relatively weak forum link? To save $5 on a domain? That would be pretty stupid. Create a website for your WF and other forum customers. Rank your other sites safe from the slew of prying eyes of lazy/cheap marketers looking to snag your techniques and/or link resources. So keep looking for my backlinks and where I rank. You won't know where I rank, how I rank or what my network consists of. You could have seen one of my sites and never known it. I'm feeling warm and good right now with my links safe and secure from those prying eyes.

      Mission accomplished

      Agreed you don't - but while you were checking backlinks of sites ranking for SEO - learned anything? I wonder why so many of those sites you were checking had links with PR to look up? Kinda odd ain't it? Must be a mistake for them to rank wirh PR links in one of the most competitive niches on Google. Guess its a fluke.....

      Since PR doesn't matter
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  • I would choose option 2!

    Thanks

    TheKaver
  • I wouldn't choose any option.

    Go out and buy a smoothie, and then once you are refreshed come home and work like a nut, day and night until you have converting copy and traffic, and then if you find something that works, just use your $200 to get somone to do what you just did to make sales. Pretty simple. BUt if you are smart enough you will not have to spend $200 initially. Just make sure you can make money with $0 first.
  • I'd use it on high pr blog network and the rest on lottery tickets
  • I do agree with one thing, I stopped looking at pr status a year ago. I had a pr7 site earning 200 a month, I had a friend with several pr 0 sites earning thousands. I don't know how google does it, but it does not add up.
  • Mike,"Admitted?"

    Dude, that's hysterical. A lame attempt to spin it as though I had done something bad that required a confession.

    I warned you that my patience with you and the other Hatfield/McCoy types was done. I've had to get into too many of those games this week, and I haven't the desire to waste my time reminding intelligent people of the same things over and over again.

    And I am not going to allow it to expand outside the sub-forums.

    You are a long way from the only one who deserves this warning. You are also not the only one who's getting it.

    Do with it what you will.


    Paul
  • Option 1 but with unique content. X is very powerful if used the right way.
  • "Also, the real holy grail of link building is relevant links from authority sites anchors in text. I.E. let's say you're in education a few links in articles from a major university on an aged page with a lot of natural links to it......."
    This sounds great to me. Can anybody share how to go about doing it? :-)
  • would spend it on some products for my gf's beauthy theraphy business
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