What's wrong with being an affiliate advertiser?

by kevton

Posted: 15 years ago 21 replies

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I have just this minute joined this forum but I am confused already! I am a total newbie when it comes to all this, but one of the main things I keep reading about on how to promote my affiliate site is to post on forums. But from what I have read so far it would seem to be that affiliate promoters are frowned upon! even on the classified ad section. Seems rather strange to me as most people posting on these site are trying to sell something so what's the problem doing it as an affiliate?

AM I ALLOWED? IS IT FROWNED UPON? WHY?

If there is anyone who can really clarify the situation I would be grateful.

I have just opened a support ticket below on the same subject in case I don't get any help here.

TO SUPPORT TEAM
(I have an affiliate site that I would like to promote, now I know I can't do it through the normal forum threads but I was under the impression I could advertise it on the classified ad section if I paid $20, now is this the case or not?
The reason I ask is I have read a couple of replies on some ads posted by other members that rebuke the poster for doing such a thing! I thought if you are going to pay money to advertise then you could post what you like (within reason of course!)
Please can you clarify)

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#advertiser #affiliate #wrong

Kim Standerline

15 years ago

Hi Kevton

If affililiate links were allowed, then we would be over run by useless flyby posts promoting all and sundry. (It's bad enough as it is)

What we would like to see, is you joining the forum to be an active contributing member, not just trying to sell us something (It annoys us a tad when you do that)

I hope that helps
Kim

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kevton

15 years ago

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I understand that do such a thing in the normal forums would be bad form but I was talking about the classified ad section where you pay to advertise, this to me is where people post to sell something! from what I see loads of products are for sale so what is the problem selling those same things as an affiliate, and as I said especially if you willing to pay to advertise.
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Kim Standerline

15 years ago

Hi Kev

Because the name of the game on the Warriors is products sold have to be your own.

They also have to be offered to Warriors at a discount, (you couldn't do that with an affiliate link). Also imagine how the classified section would look like overun with affiliate links.

At the end of the day, those are the rules, you don't have to like em or understand them just obey em.

As some like to point out, this aint a democracy

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kevton

15 years ago

Ok, I understand to a point that the section might get overun, but being so picky about who can advertise is going to lose them a lot of revenue at $20 a time, but that's up to them.
As to not being able to offer Warrior members a discount with an affiliate your wrong! Through my site I sell many of the items shown on Warrior 20% cheaper than can be found anywhere else, how? Because I am not greedy with the commission, after a product is bought and the guarantee period expires the customer can apply for 20% cash back.

Anyway that is all I have to say on the matter (just trying to make a living!)

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[quote=Kim Standerline;449874]Hi Kev

They also have to be offered to Warriors at a discount, (you couldn't do that with an affiliate link). Also imagine how the classified section would look like overun with affiliate links.

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Kim Standerline

15 years ago

Truthfully Kevton, I don't imagine Allen is bothered if he loses the odd $20, keeping a clean forum is more important to him (Though obviously I don't speak for him)

And we're all making a living so your last remark is completely unneeded,

Lots of other (inferior) forums you can join if you want to use your affiliate links

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kevton

15 years ago

Hi Kim

Sorry if you thought (just trying to make a living!) was offensive, certainly was not intended that way and not quite sure how you saw it that way!

The remark was just intended to convey the message that I like many other people are 'trying' to make a living and as a newbie need all the help and advice I can get. I have to say however that help and advice seems to be very hard to come by.

I am sure that I have spent as much time and money as the original publishers setting up a quality website where people can buy my products, but as I said from the start, because I am selling products on behalf of someone else I get frowned upon in certain circles.

To prove a point, your remark (Lots of other (inferior) forums you can join if you want to use your affiliate links) in my view is 'completely unneeded' and indicates to me that without even seeing my site and my products then they must be inferior to the ones on Warrior.

Will not bother you again on this subject!

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Kevton

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Kim Standerline

15 years ago

Kevton

You've just joined one of the best IM forums on the Net, you've made 4 posts, and all of them are to some extent whinging because you can't post your affiliate links.

Also I certainly didn't imply your websites were inferior, I was talking about "inferior forums"

Your remark about help and advice being very hard to come by is both pathetic and untrue. There is a wealth of info on this forum (because we keep it clean) You're just spitting your dummy out now

What I suggest you do, is stop moaning about your affiliate links, and start reading through all the useful knowledge on here. And a few interactive posts wouldn't go amiss either

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kevton

15 years ago

Earlier on today I found a thread on this site about power mad old Warriors who just because they have posted a thousand times or more treat newbie's and their posts with disdain, well it's obviously true! I have not 'whined and moaned' all I wanted from the start was some informative help.

I think it is you who are being pathetic tossing remarks around like 'spitting your dummy out' you have obviously got a bee in your bonnet about affiliates!
As to checking out the rest of the forum for help, well it's plain to see from your remarks if its' regarding affiliates then there is no point, you just don't want to know! Internet marketing forum it may be, just as long as you're not an affiliate!

I have been an active member on other unrelated forums over the years but this has to be the shortest time I remained a member, in and out the same day!

Thanks for nothing

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Kim Standerline

15 years ago

Power mad old warrior (splorf) love it.

Kevton hunny, yours is the type of thread that piss most off us power mad warriors off. You'ved added absolutely nothing to the forum so far.

You were told why you can't use affiliate links etc, (courteously I might add) yet you continued to argue the point.

BTW, I do a great deal of affiliate marketing as do many of us power mad warriors. We just don't feel the need to spam the forum with our affiliate links lol

Don't slam the door on your way out babe

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Frank Donovan

15 years ago

Hi Kevton

On the off chance that you're still with us, let me try to explain what I think has happened here.

You referred to another thread accusing aged Warriors of bashing newcomers and cited this thread as an example.

Here's how you started your first ever post:

Originally Posted by kevton

[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2] I keep reading about on how to promote my affiliate site is to post on forums.

And then..

Originally Posted by kevton

Ok, I understand to a point that the section might get overun, but being so picky about who can advertise is going to lose them a lot of revenue at $20 a time, but that's up to them.

Some standard IM advice to new marketers is to seek out and post in relevant forums in your niche solely to promote your product(s).

This can work.

But what you seem, by your comments above, to have misunderstood, is that the Warrior forum is not quite like that. This is a discussion forum, first and foremost. That's not to say that you can't promote anything, but if marketing revenue was the primary motivation for the forum owner, this place would have a very different look and feel to it.

The remark was just intended to convey the message that I like many other people are 'trying' to make a living and as a newbie need all the help and advice I can get. I have to say however that help and advice seems to be very hard to come by.

If you are really after help and advice, I would suggest the following:

As a newcomer, take some time to lurk and get a feel of the tone of the posts. Realise that jumping in with a thread such as yours, without any history, may appear to some experienced Warriors as slightly presumptuous.

You have a site and appear to have a system for offering affiliate products at a discount. Why not post about that? You must have some experience that would be useful for other would-be affiliate marketers. Let's hear it.

If you appear willing to contribute to the forum, rather than coming across as someone seeking just to milk its marketing potential, you will be welcomed as a valuable member.

Then, after a few posts, when you include your own site in your sig file, you may find a lot of Warriors checking out your links.

Hope that helps.

Frank

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kevton

15 years ago

Thank's Frank for being more of a help,

I understand that this is a discussion forum and had no intention of trying to advertise my site on it. If I posted my question on the wrong forum I am sorry.

I have found lately with forums and other types of support groups that people just do not bother to read the question properly or can't be bothered.

I don't know how much clearer I can make this but the simple question from the start was, can I place an advert for my affiliate site on the classified section and if not why. From Kim I get a firm NO! AND INSULTS
Well sorry to inform you but you are wrong again! just had this back from support:-

Hi kevin

Your Ticket ID# is U3VK6K9OH0

Hi Kevin

Yes, you can advertise your site but on the Classified Ads section only.

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Please check your facts properly next time before advising people.

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Eric Lorence

15 years ago

Originally Posted by kevton

Are you finished yet?

No one is going to miss your ad, whether approved or not.

Lets all see if we can get rid of this useless thread, shall we...

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kevton 15 years ago

Yes I have finished thank you, 'useless thread' your certainly right about that! Sorry you did not have anything more sensible to say, proving a point hurts apparently. As to my ad how can you miss what you have never seen.

End of subject, end of thread, got my answer even though not through the forum.
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- John Taylor 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by kevton
  
  End of subject, end of thread, got my answer even though not through the forum.
  
  Yet another incorrect assumption.
  
  It's not your decision whether a subject or thread is
  ended.
  
  I for one would prefer that this thread is kept alive
  to demonstrate how not to make an entrance into
  a forum.
  
  You have clearly influenced a lot of people with
  your approach.. good luck with your classified ad.
  
  I'm sure that lots of people will be more than happy
  to buy someone else's product through your link. NOT
  
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Kim Standerline

15 years ago

Hi Kevton

I did say and I quote "however I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong"

edit, you know reading this thread, I honestly can't see where I insulted this chap, He asked his question and I answered it. (obviously wrongly, but hey don't let's split hairs) kevton you were the one who started getting narky

Bet I'm not the only one who didn't realise affiliate links were allowed on classified

Cheers
Kim

Originally Posted by kevton

Thank's Frank for being more of a help,

I understand that this is a discussion forum and had no intention of trying to advertise my site on it. If I posted my question on the wrong forum I am sorry.

I have found lately with forums and other types of support groups that people just do not bother to read the question properly or can't be bothered.

I don't know how much clearer I can make this but the simple question from the start was, can I place an advert for my affiliate site on the classified section and if not why. From Kim I get a firm NO! AND INSULTS
Well sorry to inform you but you are wrong again! just had this back from support:-

Hi kevin

Your Ticket ID# is U3VK6K9OH0

Hi Kevin

Yes, you can advertise your site but on the Classified Ads section only.

thanks
Tom

Thank You!
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Warrior Forum Support

Please check your facts properly next time before advising people.

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Martin Avis 15 years ago

Kevton,

You are worst kind of forum newbie -- the kind who steams in unannounced, uninvited and unwelcome.

Oh but it didn't have to be that way.

You wonder why you have been attacked after several of your posts. Frankly, I'm surprised that you didn't get your original post rammed down your throat from the word go -- it showed clearly that you have only come in to the Warrior Forum with the intention of selling us your wares (not even YOUR wares, as it happens, but we'll leave that aside).

If your first post is about how to place an ad to sell to us, can you not see that we might get a bit pissed off by that? The majority of people here are here to discuss Internet marketing and learn from each other. Selling to each other is something we do rather sparingly, and only after we have established ourselves as forum participants.

There are exceptions, of course, but they tend to get far shorter shrift than you did.

No ... you ignored the tone and character of this forum and just steamed in bleating that you can't post your affiliate ads - ads, which, by the way, we may not wish to see.

Then you set about falling out with Kim -- one of the forums more popular denizens, despite her ascerbic tongue. Not a good plan if you want a long term life in here.

Yes, we tend to jump on fools from a great height and you have felt the force of many boots hitting your head because your first posts here were the written equivalent of have a 'kick me' post it on your ass.

Now you have a choice. You can drop the loser attitude and assimilate yourself in here as a valuable contributing member, or you can bugger off into the anonymity you came from.

If you are folowing such crap advice as to post your affiliate links on forums, I'd suggest you really should follow the former course and find out how this affiliate marketing lark is really done.

Or you take the second route. I doubt anyone will much care.

Martin
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Killer Joe

15 years ago

Originally Posted by kevton

Through my site I sell many of the items shown on Warrior 20% cheaper than can be found anywhere else, how? Because I am not greedy with the commission, after a product is bought and the guarantee period expires the customer can apply for 20% cash back.

Anyway that is all I have to say on the matter (just trying to make a living!)

This is just an observation, and not a judgement...but coming onto a board like this one and demonstrating your sales skills, or lack thereof, speaks volumes about the type of person you believe will have success selling others products.

If the only USP you have is to cheapen the price the original vendor wants the product sold for, and that is against a lot of creators TOS, what value are you adding to the proposition?

Just trying to make a living is not a valid reason to be in sales. Or any vocation for that matter.

The world is full of "Me too" marketers that come and go like the wind. It seems that is the path you've chosen as well.

Perhaps you may want to rethink your strategy.

KJ

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Dave777

15 years ago

Hi Kim,

Just a quick question, is it at all different if the affiliate product is a warrior members product?

It seems that there's a little mix of those going around here and there! Kind of a back door affiliate opportunity if carefully applied and promoted...

Any thoughts or opinions...

Dave

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Kim Standerline

15 years ago

Hi Dave

It has to be your own product, however I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

If you spot something like this, it's up to you to point it out to others, Lot of sneaky stuff goes on unfortunately

Originally Posted by Dave777

Any thoughts or opinions...

Dave

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X 15 years ago

Kevton -

I can't honestly say that I've ever fully
understood why an affiliate link isn't OK
here when product links at all are, but
I've learned not to question the power
that IS on matters like this.

They is cuz they is and there is probably
a good reason that doesn't need to be
explained. In other words, how cool would
it be to be invited into someone's house and
then question the art they choose to
display on their walls?

You can run affiliate ads in the Classified's
section - and you can get smart and
clever about selling products, giving
away items of value, etc, that include
affiliate offers.

If you're going to succeed as a marketer
you must learn to discover the path of
least resistance - and do so with the
determination that nobody can stop
you but you.

Because nobody can stop X but X -
and I'm not going to stop myself by
resisting what is, but rather I'm going
to put that energy into finding a way
to make it work. There is ALWAYS
more than one way -

X
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ptone 15 years ago

Wow...funny how a little misunderstanding can quickly get out of hand.

The Classified section can be used to sell whatever you want. To quote Allen Says (the owner of this forum), "you can sell a puppy." So, YES, promote your affiliate program in the Classified section.

The WSO section is limited to your own products and at a discount.

Kevton, if you re-read your first post, you come off with a slight attitude, so you got a slight attitude back at you - that's just how it works. It sounds like you read the other thread regarding "seasoned warriors" then started this thread with anticipation of this happening to you. You need to forget about that other thread as its only serving to put you on edge. Ask questions, help others out and soak in the knowledge and I'm sure you'll find that "seasoned warriors" will treat you just fine.

You stated that you've been told to market in forums. Well, there is a right way to do it and a wrong way and you might have been told the wrong way (at least how it applies here). Furthermore, different forums have different rules and you have to obey those rules at each place despite what you've learned. And as Kim stated, if you are in IM, then you WANT to be here.
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