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Best Safelists

by thekaver
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Hi guys,

Just wondering if any you guys use safelists to either build list or promote offers such as CPA.

Also what are the best safelists?

thanks

TheKaver
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  • Profile picture of the author zamzung
    Never used them so far... but if someone has a good advice to share, I'm would like to hear it
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  • Profile picture of the author Ikmal Syifai
    Why don't you just use adswaps?
    You can get subscribers for free.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert H Cwik
    Safelists are also free, unless you want to upgrade your account.
    From my experience, they are as bad for CPA offers as traffic exchanges are, but they may be better for list building provided that your offer/report goes in line with list building/profiting from safelists/and similar money making advice. However, I don't think conversions are high there. People click the links for credits to promote their offers not to buy anything, and I think that the only people who earn on safelists are their owners.

    Since you asked about the best ones, I'd suggest setting up an account on traffichoopla.com, and in the members area check the "3rd Join" tab - top 10 safelists according to users' ratings.
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    • Profile picture of the author thekaver
      Originally Posted by robertcwik View Post

      Safelists are also free, unless you want to upgrade your account.
      From my experience, they are as bad for CPA offers as traffic exchanges are, but they may be better for list building provided that your offer/report goes in line with list building/profiting from safelists/and similar money making advice. However, I don't think conversions are high there. People click the links for credits to promote their offers not to buy anything, and I think that the only people who earn on safelists are their owners.

      Since you asked about the best ones, I'd suggest setting up an account on traffichoopla.com, and in the members area check the "3rd Join" tab - top 10 safelists according to users' ratings.
      thanks il check them out!
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        I have tried "safelists" long ago and I won't use them again - they are anything but safe. You will most likely see an increase in the amount of spam you receive. But more importantly, they don't give you a targeted prospect that wants to see what you have to offer.

        Think about it. Why are you joining a safelist?

        It's to be able to send emails. You probably could care less that you ever receive any - in fact, you would rather just send and never receive at all.

        Does it follow that most everyone else is feeling the same way? So here's a large congregation of emailers, everybody wants to send and no one cares about getting an email.

        Is that the kind of prospect you're looking for to be on your list? That's not what I want.

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      • Profile picture of the author VanessaB
        I read an excellent book, written by a very well respected Warrior that had a chapter on this particular type of advertising. Here's what I can tell you is in his book.. I can't give you 'personal results' because I'm still working on the most critical part of the system, which is 'the funnel.'

        I won't tell his name because I notice he never pipes up on this method and other similar methods that he talks about in his book, and I think he probably just got tired of arguing with people as this type of traffic gen is usually called 'junk' by many...

        Here's the thing with safelists: The numbers suck. I mean SUCK... if you're looking at optin rates and conversion rates only...response rate hovers somewhere around 1/10 of a %.

        BUT... if you look at the 'bigger' picture and realize how many optins you actually get when that .01% is (of) the 500,000 email boxes you can hit, for free... well then it's a bit of a horse of a different color. If you know the rest of your numbers... you can determine a very fair estimate of the amount of credits you need to earn/buy to get the optins you need to convert to sales..

        Good funnel is crucial: Optin Page> Upsell Offer> (No Bite - Downsell Offer) | (Bite - Back End Offer) > Bite/No Bite - Email Follow up...

        Tip: Have the follow up auto responder campaign set up before you start a campaign.

        *it has been said by others that if the prospect doesn't buy something after x days of follow up emails, to move them to a swapping list. This was not said by the author of that book, but said in private groups I belong to, so I can't divulge or give an opinion on that.

        I hope that helps some.

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        • Profile picture of the author Robert H Cwik
          Originally Posted by DanielleS View Post

          BUT... if you look at the 'bigger' picture and realize how many optins you actually get when that .01% is (of) the 500,000 email boxes you can hit, for free...
          Dani, there are no safe lists with 500,000 members. The biggest safelist I know is around 45,000 now, and I am using a few of them. I think someone has mistaken safelists with blasters or was just theorizing. And conversions from blasters are as you wrote above 0.01%, i.e. 50 (not targeted hap-hazard random) subscribers out of 500,000 email boxes you hit. Not even worth considering.
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          • Profile picture of the author VanessaB
            Originally Posted by robertcwik View Post

            Dani, there are no safe lists with 500,000 members. The biggest safelist I know is around 45,000 now, and I am using a few of them. I think someone has mistaken safelists with blasters or was just theorizing. And conversions from blasters are as you wrote above 0.01%, i.e. 50 (not targeted hap-hazard random) subscribers out of 500,000 email boxes you hit. Not even worth considering.
            ONE Safelist with 45,000.... there is more than ONE Safelist.

            It is actually very targeted if you understand WHAT the target is...

            Theorizing and worth considering? LOL... try walking into a bank without a business plan and asking for a loan without PROJECTIONS from STATISTICAL 'industry standard averages...'

            The THEORY of those projections is how the real business world works. Banks make business loans to the real business world, because they understand that those 'theorized' PROJECTIONS are the surest way to actually fund a start up.

            OP, as I said, the book was written by very well respected Warrior who holds a couple of degrees (I think in Business Finance and Economics, but I don't remember for sure.) He used these services for years and I trust his stats. A lot more than I'd trust the word of someone who doesn't actually know the difference of a 'theory' and a projection.
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            • Profile picture of the author Robert H Cwik
              Originally Posted by DanielleS View Post

              He used these services for years and I trust his stats. A lot more than I'd trust the word of someone who doesn't actually know the difference of a 'theory' and a projection.
              I think you took it too personally, sorry if I upset you, but I used these services, too. I've been an active member of about 20 safelists, and I have my results recorded since many of them have good tracking systems. Now I use only a few and only for the purpose of buying solo ads. These work better.

              Now, if you have never used a safelist, you may not know that they are credit based mailers, which means that if I click the link in the message, I get credits that I can use to send my messages. Many safelists allow opening unlimited number of messages at once. So you just click, click, and click until you stall your browser, and let the timers expire on each message and have your credits added. That's it. People barely read those messages, which typical results confirm.

              Solos are a bit different, because they give you a few times more credits than a regular e-mail. But solos are paid, not free. These two factors make people actually read the offer and react to them. Also confirmed by stats. I think that they just consider someone who paid for the mailing more trustworthy than someone who tries to get their e-mail or money for free.

              Maybe the marketer you refer to was using solo e-mails?

              I would gladly read his report if you could identify him/her?

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  • Profile picture of the author erob
    Safelist can be good for building or adding to your list not for cpa offers. A quick tip on cpa is to find offers that allow you to offer incentives and outsource it to a micro jobs site. Some of the safelist I use are Adtatics,Adsolutionline,and Elite Just to name a few.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    Way back when, I tried safe lists AND blasters. I would say that the sign up rate is even lower than .0001% for the free emails.

    Plus, these, like traffic exchanges are full of sellers wanting to promote their sites and their products and only read your stuff to get credits to promote their stuff.

    It takes a lot less work to just build your own list of targetted subscribers who actually WANT whatever you are providing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Welsh Warrior
    Are solo emails that much more effective then? I have been struggling to see a difference between the two, though haven't tried solo ads yet.

    Gave my first shot at this a go two days ago. Signed up to email-hog and used it to promote a free give away (an in depth niche site creation report) on a squeeze page.

    It hit 900 people, with a CTR of 7% and sign ups a measly 3. But then it was free so I shouldn't be too bothered about that.

    The solo ads intrigued me, I can not really see how they would be any more effective. Any advice on what makes them better and how to work them?
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert H Cwik
      Originally Posted by Welsh Warrior View Post

      The solo ads intrigued me, I can not really see how they would be any more effective. Any advice on what makes them better and how to work them?
      Depends on the type of the safelist. A good safelist asks you to provide two e-mail addresses: list e-mail and contact e-mail.

      List e-mail is for all free or premium (also called solo) emails sent by the safelist users.

      Contact e-mail is for administration purposes and for... contact solo e-mails
      These are the most expensive but with close to 100% deliverability rate.
      Since they go to the subscribers main e-mail address they get noticed easier, they are always clicked since the difference between free and contact-solo credits is enormous. Sometimes, good safelists have mechanisms that prevent opening another e-mail before the timer expires on the first one, and also they stop the timer each time you leave the tab with the e-mail. So you have the full viewing time, and it is often enough to convince the person to fill in the registration form.
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      • Profile picture of the author Welsh Warrior
        Originally Posted by robertcwik View Post

        Depends on the type of the safelist. A good safelist asks you to provide two e-mail addresses: list e-mail and contact e-mail.

        List e-mail is for all free or premium (also called solo) emails sent by the safelist users.

        Contact e-mail is for administration purposes and for... contact solo e-mails
        These are the most expensive but with close to 100% deliverability rate.
        Since they go to the subscribers main e-mail address they get noticed easier, they are always clicked since the difference between free and contact-solo credits is enormous. Sometimes, good safelists have mechanisms that prevent opening another e-mail before the timer expires on the first one, and also they stop the timer each time you leave the tab with the e-mail. So you have the full viewing time, and it is often enough to convince the person to fill in the registration form.
        Now that is worth knowing, thanks for that. Think I will have a hunt around a few safelists and see what I like the look of (as I have only done email-hog so far).

        Any recommendations you care to share for good safelist sites? or do you keep them private?
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        • Profile picture of the author Robert H Cwik
          Originally Posted by Welsh Warrior View Post

          Any recommendations you care to share for good safelist sites? or do you keep them private?
          Now, wouldn't it be an opportunity to stuff a few affiliate links

          All kidding aside, the big one I mentioned is the freesafelistmailer.com,
          although I do not know how good it is in the rankings. You may also try listbuildingmaximizer.com and downlinebuilderdirect.com

          I'd suggest going to traffichoopla.com, open an account there, and see under the "3rd Join" tab. They list Top 10 safelists according to users' opinion.

          Joining all these sites is free.

          Enjoy.
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          • Profile picture of the author bluezero503
            I think safelist is waste of time. Nevertheless, You could obtain some subscriptors in topics like building links/make money/build traffic and others
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  • Profile picture of the author paulpower
    I have used safleists before myself, and have to admit that I never got any response from them.

    Having said that, I would imagine if used correctly as a list building tool, you maybe would get some response from them, however it seems to me that they are like traffic exchanges, good in their day, but now overused to say the very least.
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