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How do Article Directories work?

by Netwarrior11
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I am new to article writing to promote websites.

For example, if I write an article on ezine and it is about detoxification in the
Health and Fitness category.

Assuming it is approved by ezine, do I need to do any work to make it rank high within the Health & Fitness category in ezine? Because there are also many many articles on the same topic placed in that category.

Hope to see replies soon. Thank you all.
#article #directories #work
  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Hi Netwarrior

    Originally Posted by Netwarrior11 View Post

    How do Article Directories work?
    They're depositories of content which is freely available (within each directory's terms of service) for publishers and webmasters to re-publish. By putting your article in a directory, you're announcing its availability for inclusion in ezines and on other people's websites (with your backlinks included!) so that you can get targeted traffic from publishers who have the traffic/subscribers but need the content.

    In short, you're offering people a "content for traffic (and a backlink, if on a website rather than in an ezine)" deal. That's how they work and why they're there.

    Technically, you do also get a backlink from the directory itself, but that's a worthless one (it's not a relevant one, unless the article directory is specific to your niche - and it's PR-0 too - regardless of the page rank of the directory's own home page which isn't, of course, where articles are published).

    Originally Posted by Netwarrior11 View Post

    Assuming it is approved by ezine, do I need to do any work to make it rank high within the Health & Fitness category in ezine?
    No ... absolutely not, and you shouldn't do that at all - it's a big mistake.

    The last thing you want happening is for any potential customers who find your article by putting one of its keywords into a search engine to find the EZA copy rather than the copy originally published and indexed on your site!

    You don't want your potential customers going off to an article directory! If you have a 25% click-through rate from your article to your website, you're losing 75% of them ... if they come straight to your site, you're not losing 75% of them. Pretty big difference?!

    The EZA copy isn't there for potential customers. It's there for potential publishers. And they'll look for what they want - you don't need to "promote" to them (inside EZA) other than with the quality of your writing, as explained here.

    Customers search with search engines - they don't go to EZA to search. Publishers go to EZA to search, but they know how to search and what they're looking for. The original copy of the article on your site is the one for customers to find.

    Originally Posted by Netwarrior11 View Post

    I am new to article writing to promote websites.
    Good luck! The information below will get you started (use it wisely!) ...

    Always publish all your articles on your own site first, before ever submitting any of them anywhere else at all. In this thread, a whole succession of professional, experienced, successful article marketers explain all their shared reasons for doing so. This is absolutely fundamental to any kind of article marketing: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

    There's no benefit at all from "spinning" articles. It's explained in detail in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...necessary.html

    And it's also explained again, differently, here (and in many other threads): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

    Don't get confused between "duplicate content" and "syndicated content". This little article clarifies the difference in very simple terms: Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All | Internet Marketing and Publishing

    Using article directories for their own backlinks is a fallacy, as explained here. And here.

    If they interest you, these few recent threads are worth a read-through, to appreciate the current position with article marketing (actually including "how to use article directories").

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...explained.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-question.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ifference.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...mith-myob.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-wonders.html
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      If I was the OP I wouldn't go past Alexas post.

      However, I'm betting on seeing a whole bunch of misinformation coming very soon to this very thread....
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    • Profile picture of the author Netwarrior11
      The last thing you want happening is for any potential customers who find your article by putting one of its keywords into a search engine to find the EZA copy rather than the copy originally published and indexed on your site!

      You don't want your potential customers going off to an article directory! If you have a 25% click-through rate from your article to your website, you're losing 75% of them ... if they come straight to your site, you're not losing 75% of them. Pretty big difference?!

      Alexa, thank you very much for your detailed reply but since I'm new to all these, I don't understand why when potential customers find my EZA from search engine and a 25% CTR from my article results in losing 75% of them. Could you OR any fellow warrior who knows the answer elaborate more on this?

      Thanks in advance.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Netwarrior11 View Post

        Alexa, thank you very much for your detailed reply but since I'm new to all these, I don't understand why when potential customers find my EZA from search engine and a 25% CTR from my article results in losing 75% of them. Could you OR any fellow warrior who knows the answer elaborate more on this?
        "Click-through rate" measures the percentage of people who click on the resource-box link following the text of your article within an article directory.

        Let's assume/guess/pretend that your average click-through rate from EZA is 25%, ok? (It's realistic). Here are two scenarios to compare ...

        Scenario A: 100 people put into Google a keyword from one of your articles, and they find listed in the SERP's an article of yours in EZA. They click on the link in Google's SERP's and that takes them to your article inside EZA. Whatever happens to them from there (i.e. whether they read all or some or none of your article, whether they click on an EZA AdSense advertisement, whether they get distracted by something else there, whether they read someone else's articles too, whatever ...) we know that on average 25% of them click your resource-box link and arrive at your website, and that the other 75% don't. You lost the other 75%. Only 25 people out of the original 100 ever arrived at your website.

        Scenario B: 100 people put into Google a keyword from one of your articles, and they find listed in the SERP's an article of yours on your own site. They click on the link in Google's SERP's and that takes them to your website. 100 people arrived at your website.

        Both scenarios start off the same way, with 100 potential customers, but scenario B gives you four times as much traffic as scenario A.

        The reality is that, by going about it the right way, you actually get to choose which copy they find in Google's SERP's: the one that brings you 100% of the traffic or the one that brings you only 25% of the traffic.

        Not a very difficult decision, is it?

        Many of those posts and threads linked to in my original reply, above, explain the details of how you get to choose, and exactly how to go about it. Plenty to read there, and you'll need to read it, to learn how to do it: like anything else, there's a real learning-curve involved. (And like many other things in internet marketing, the "general consensus of opinion" can sometimes be a misinformed and misguided one. A lot of people don't understand the parts of it that you don't yet understand - and that includes some people trying to advise others about it!)

        The key concept is that customers search in Google (and/or in other search engines) and publishers search in EZA. The purpose of EZA is to offer your article to publishers, not to customers. As you've seen above, you'd lose three quarters of the customers, that way. Don't believe most of what you read on this subject: it's very easy to imagine that you're "getting traffic from an article directory" whereas what you're really doing is unnecessarily sending your traffic to an article directory and losing most of it.

        It doesn't really matter what your click-through rate from EZA is, if you're writing for syndication, because your article in EZA (or in any other directory, but EZA's the one the publishers go to, so it's the best one to use) is there only to get republished. Sure, it matters what the CTR is from the sites to which it gets republished, because those are the ones with your targeted traffic, relevant to your niche (but unfortunately that isn't normally measured). The article directory itself doesn't have your targeted customer-traffic (not if you know what you're doing, anyway!).

        Some of my articles, deposited in EZA after I'd finished publishing them myself, have been re-published in really large numbers of other places. Places that have targeted traffic (otherwise they wouldn't want to re-publish it, would they?) which comes to my website, opts in to my list, and buys from me.

        Trying to attract customers from/with article directories is a really fundamental misunderstanding about article marketing.

        And it's why, when you look at all the "highest traffic" entries in article directories, the articles are almost invariably not very well-written, certainly not widely published, and actually not earning their authors much money. Typically, these are authors with a "high quantity approach" - they have huge numbers of articles, but certainly not huge incomes. In article marketing, a "quantitative approach" is usually about as successful as the same approach is in the field of SEO, i.e. not much use at all! These are not people whose understanding of "article marketing" is a helpful one for you. I mention it, in particular, because it's a natural instinct, when you want to learn about something, to try to "go to people with the most experience" - and I'm just advising you not to assume that the people with the most beneficial experience to learn from are people with "the biggest number of articles" or "the most well-read articles in the directory" (the directory's purpose is for the articles to be syndicated and read outside the directory!). Those are people with a "quantitative approach", who are trying to use article directories for a different purpose from their intended one.

        Here's another thought for you: how do article directories make a living? Who gives them money? The answer is Google, when people click on the AdSense ads on their site and thereby leave their site. That's their income - that's most of how they monetize their business model. The more people who leave their site without clicking on your link, the more money they earn. If you let your potential customers find your articles in an article directory rather than on your own site, all those people whose AdSense clicks are earning a living for the article directory are losing potential income for you, because they're all the ones who never get as far as your website. So learn how to send them to your website in the first place, rather than to an article directory. Build income for your business, not for someone else's. And use article directories only for their intended purpose.
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        • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
          Thank you Alexa, I really thank God for you being in this forum..

          For the past 1 hour, I've been studying at some of your replies to thd that are related to Article-Marketing: "Post article on my website first or EZA? etcetc"

          You've have been a great help to me, cause up until today i've always submitted my articles to EZA first instead of my own blog. ****! I've waste a huge amount of time! All because I've listened to some so-called "Article-Marketing F-up gurus" , who know's nothing about what they're advising.

          So thank you for your wake up call. Nothing is too late, I'm gonna start posting my unique content to my website/blog first instead of those article directories.

          Thanks a million,

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    • Profile picture of the author Mahadevan
      Really Alexa, the service you are doing to this forum by clarifying issues and providing appropriate link threads to spread your vast knowledge about article marketing is beyond compare.

      I am really amazed at your patience and willingness to respond to any query any number of times - even if they are similar to each other.

      Thanks so much for this and we all are deeply indebted to you.

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      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Hi Netwarrior



      They're depositories of content which is freely available (within each directory's terms of service) for publishers and webmasters to re-publish. By putting your article in a directory, you're announcing its availability for inclusion in ezines and on other people's websites (with your backlinks included!) so that you can get targeted traffic from publishers who have the traffic/subscribers but need the content.

      In short, you're offering people a "content for traffic (and a backlink, if on a website rather than in an ezine)" deal. That's how they work and why they're there.

      Technically, you do also get a backlink from the directory itself, but that's a worthless one (it's not a relevant one, unless the article directory is specific to your niche - and it's PR-0 too - regardless of the page rank of the directory's own home page which isn't, of course, where articles are published).



      No ... absolutely not, and you shouldn't do that at all - it's a big mistake.

      The last thing you want happening is for any potential customers who find your article by putting one of its keywords into a search engine to find the EZA copy rather than the copy originally published and indexed on your site!

      You don't want your potential customers going off to an article directory! If you have a 25% click-through rate from your article to your website, you're losing 75% of them ... if they come straight to your site, you're not losing 75% of them. Pretty big difference?!

      The EZA copy isn't there for potential customers. It's there for potential publishers. And they'll look for what they want - you don't need to "promote" to them (inside EZA) other than with the quality of your writing, as explained here.

      Customers search with search engines - they don't go to EZA to search. Publishers go to EZA to search, but they know how to search and what they're looking for. The original copy of the article on your site is the one for customers to find.



      Good luck! The information below will get you started (use it wisely!) ...

      Always publish all your articles on your own site first, before ever submitting any of them anywhere else at all. In this thread, a whole succession of professional, experienced, successful article marketers explain all their shared reasons for doing so. This is absolutely fundamental to any kind of article marketing: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

      There's no benefit at all from "spinning" articles. It's explained in detail in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...necessary.html

      And it's also explained again, differently, here (and in many other threads): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

      Don't get confused between "duplicate content" and "syndicated content". This little article clarifies the difference in very simple terms: Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All | Internet Marketing and Publishing

      Using article directories for their own backlinks is a fallacy, as explained here. And here.

      If they interest you, these few recent threads are worth a read-through, to appreciate the current position with article marketing (actually including "how to use article directories").

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...explained.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-question.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ifference.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...mith-myob.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-wonders.html
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  • Profile picture of the author papacuppa
    Great reply Alexa. I agree with the previous poster too – that’s all you need. If I had read that starting off I may feel inclined to print it off and stick it to the side of my monitor

    Couple more points which may help you...

    Posting on your website first is not enough!

    It’s not only important to post articles on your website before an article directory; you have to ensure it’s actually INDEXED on your website BEFORE submitting to an article directory.

    As an example, Google will index a page on Ezine Articles much, MUCH faster than a page on your own website. Even if you post an article on your website on Monday, and the article directory on Tuesday, there’s still a good chance that Ezine Articles would be indexed first. Then you’re left standing in a puddle.

    Where to start?

    Here’s a list of my top 5 article directories that I will submit to daily while on a campaign:
    1. Ezine Articles (Duh!)
    2. Go Articles (No Brainer)
    3. Article Dashboard
    4. Article Base
    5. Idea Marketers

    I choose these not only because they have decent PR but also because creating accounts isn’t a pain in the rectum like it is with some article directories.

    I’ll also say that if you have the time go for 10 a day to really get a good diverse range of ip addresses.

    Whatever websites you choose, add them all to a folder in your browser. Then once a day (or whatever) you’ll be able to right click on the folder and simply ‘Open all bookmarks’

    Just stay consistent with it and you’ll get results!
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert H Cwik
    Unfortunately, people steal articles from EZA without giving you any credits whatsoever. I spotted a few websites with my articles with the author's name and resource box removed. I contacted the webmasters asking for deleting them, and fortunately they did delete my articles, but how many other stolen articles are there and who has time to track their articles every day...
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by robertcwik View Post

      how many other stolen articles are there
      Quite a few, but there's no real downside to it, Robert: they're not actually doing you any harm. It's worse than if they included your links, for sure, but it's no worse than if you hadn't put them in EZA in the first place - so nothing lost, really.

      Originally Posted by robertcwik View Post

      who has time to track their articles every day...
      I find it very quick and easy, actually: I have two pre-written, fill-in-the-blanks emails to deal with these situations, and I just send them out when I need them. As described here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert H Cwik
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Quite a few, but there's no real downside to it, Robert: they're not actually doing you any harm. It's worse than if they included your links, for sure, but it's no worse than if you hadn't put them in EZA in the first place - so nothing lost, really.
        Well, from that perspective the whole thing looks much better really

        I find it very quick and easy, actually: I have two pre-written, fill-in-the-blanks emails to deal with these situations, and I just send them out when I need them. As described here.
        Yeah, and the I went from that thread to another to another... Thank you! I have learned more about Article Marketing today than I have this year
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hy Alexa,

    its worth o read your expert knowledge of article syndication.But how I find related websites that would share with me? Websites who want my content and give me backlinks?

    Google search?

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      how I find related websites that would share with me? Websites who want my content and give me backlinks?

      Google search?
      Yes, Google search can be quite a good way. You need to get a bit inventive/imaginative with the search-terms, to find blogs/sites relevant to your niche.

      This is a brilliant source of ezine publishers who are looking for content: Directory of Ezines (expensive, I'm afraid).

      This is a great source of explanations/suggestions for syndicating articles: Turn Words Into Traffic (low cost, very good value).

      And in this post (and in many others) Paul Uhl offers suggestions on syndication which work very successfully for him.

      But note that, to achieve syndication, your article must first be written for syndication (the whole thread's worth reading).
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        An important underscore in writing for such competitive niches (assuming your niche example is in health and fitness) is that counting on results from backlinks may be a rather long process.

        Much faster results will be achieved by sourcing outlets where your prospects already are using, such as niche ezines, relevant websites and blogs, and even offline publications.

        For example, none of my websites have ever come close to practical ranking in the SERPs because of the extremely competitive niches in which I market.

        However, through article syndication of now well over 27,000 publications, highly convertable traffic is being generated at a rate far greater rate than all of my keyword searches combined.

        With potential publications numbering in the tens or even hundreds of millions in such niches, the article syndication model effectively bypasses the competition within even the most lucrative markets.
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        • Profile picture of the author celente
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          An important underscore in writing for such competitive niches (assuming your niche example is in health and fitness) is that counting on results from backlinks may be a rather long process.

          Much faster results will be achieved by sourcing outlets where your prospects already are using, such as niche ezines, relevant websites and blogs, and even offline publications.

          For example, none of my websites have ever come close to practical ranking in the SERPs because of the extremely competitive niches in which I market.

          However, through article syndication of now well over 27,000 publications, highly convertable traffic is being generated at a rate far greater rate than all of my keyword searches combined.

          With potential publications numbering in the tens or even hundreds of millions in such niches, the article syndication model effectively bypasses the competition within even the most lucrative markets.
          Great advice, there. Go to the prospects, to not wait for them to come to you. This is what marketing and getting targeted customers is all about.
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    • Profile picture of the author stellaandreapark
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      But how I find related websites that would share with me? Websites who want my content and give me backlinks?
      If you type in your keyword in the Google search, results will give you top sites under your niche. Check if those sites have a good potential for backlinking. You can email the webmaster and try for a link exchange. Depends on what type of site. If it is a blog site, ask if you can do guest posting on their blog also... etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Goatboy
    I have tried both--backlinking EZA articles and not backlinking them--and my results suggest that Alexa is right. With a few backlinks that EZA article will climb in the ranks a lot faster than you might expect, and it could easily outrank your own article on your site.

    The problem is that once a reader gets to EZA, it is easy to find links to other articles and stay within the EZA website rather than leave to visit your site. The end result is your traffic is diverted to other articles by other writers rather than your own website and you lose traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Oh yes,

    link bait is one method to share on my own website with lots of theese share buttons from digg and so on.
    But, this all is social traffic, so google will smart priced me when I will make money with adsense...

    This is not a great solution idea.

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author gomzydecor
    Article Directories add link juice in two ways. First, web-crawlers (bots) crawls the link which we paste in the article. Secondly, When a reader reads your article there are fair chances that he will click on the link.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Q
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    Once your article was approved by Ezine, they will crawl your link to get indexed and ranked on Google SERPS. But after your Ezine was live, better spin the content it with TBS or Spinner Chief and distribute them into other article directories like GoArticles, Articles Base, Amazines, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by lamposproject View Post

      Once your article was approved by Ezine, they will crawl your link to get indexed and ranked on Google SERPS.
      That's not the purpose or function of article directories.

      It would be extremely inadvisable to try to use them for their own backlinks. :rolleyes:

      It makes absolutely no difference to anything at which stage EZA approves it, because article directories don't require previously unpublished content (EZA happens to be the very last place I submit all mine). :rolleyes:

      Originally Posted by lamposproject View Post

      But after your Ezine was live, better spin the content it with TBS or Spinner Chief and distribute them into other article directories like GoArticles, Articles Base, Amazines, etc.
      This is completely wrong.

      First, you could (if you really wanted to) submit them there are any stage - before, during or after EZA submission. Secondly, there's absolutely no point whatever in "spinning" them.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...necessary.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

      This was potentially a useful and helpful thread for people (as many have commented), until the arrival of the misinformation and misunderstandings about how article directories work, from people who don't actually know how they work but for some reason apparently felt compelled to reply anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author sscot
    This is funny thing happened when I was complete newbie for internet marketing.

    One day, I found that one of my EZA articles has published on a Blog (with credits). What the hell this shameless man is doing?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    @stellaandreapar,

    thanks, I will search with; "my keyword" and ezines or ezine publisher or
    "my keyword" directories or so.

    For my two of my niche websites, I have found about four related niche directories who I can submit my articles (first on my own website, first indexed). This will be give me little better backlink credit ( I hope) .
    Write an email to the related website publisher is worst, statictics says, that every one "ONE" from 120 emails you wrote gives you a response.

    But it is simple; A bigger,older website with higher pr think so; Hy why Im should be give you (new website without pr) my link juice. Thats the problem of all stella.

    PS: I there not an wordpress plugin for the author, who sends an publisher an email before they grab my content, an email with big letters; Only with backlink to me?


    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author jeresteem99
    @Alexa

    You explain so much, Now at least I understood more about articles and how do work.

    thanks you rock!
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Wilson
    Hi!

    It doesn't work like it used to. I've got a lot of backlinks and traffic from their "repost" feature. When people are allowed to copy their content if they keep the URL's.

    Daniel
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  • Profile picture of the author madzstar
    SImply write the article, and promote the link by pinging it, submitting it to search engines and by social bookmarking it. This will drive traffic to your article.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hy,

    I will use a footer plugin for wp. This plugin will get custom footer copyright messages in my wordpresss blog feeds. Look at this; Show Custom Message at the bottom of RSS Feeds.

    And at the buttom of every written blog article I will put my copywrights there, I hope it helps.


    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneyMakinDiva
    Subscribing. Great thread!
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    • Profile picture of the author bretski
      The first thing you want to do is take your article from your site, spin it to 86% uniqueness (not 85% or 87%... 86% uniqueness) and then publish it to EZA. Then take that article, spin it into oblivion (until it is unreadable) and publish it everywhere else using your top ten keywords as anchor text for you backlinks pointing back to your EZA article. Do a profile backlink blast to your profile on EZA and a blog comment blast pointing to your spun articles on the top ten article directories. You can rotate those links using some nifty bot software that will probably wind up commenting some drivel on your own blogs that you can delete later. From there, you need to read what Alexa wrote and forget everything that I have written here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Avy Smith
        Originally Posted by bretski View Post

        The first thing you want to do is take your article from your site, spin it to 86% uniqueness (not 85% or 87%... 86% uniqueness) and then publish it to EZA. Then take that article, spin it into oblivion (until it is unreadable) and publish it everywhere else using your top ten keywords as anchor text for you backlinks pointing back to your EZA article. Do a profile backlink blast to your profile on EZA and a blog comment blast pointing to your spun articles on the top ten article directories. You can rotate those links using some nifty bot software that will probably wind up commenting some drivel on your own blogs that you can delete later. From there, you need to read what Alexa wrote and forget everything that I have written here.
        Is really spinning helpful, how? I could never make it a success. I mean, the article directories easily catch me a "Spun" if I do. Which spinner do you use???
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Avy Smith View Post

          Is really spinning helpful, how? I could never make it a success. I mean, the article directories easily catch me a "Spun" if I do. Which spinner do you use???
          That was sarcasm Avy. It was a joke post.

          That's why the last bit said...

          From there, you need to read what Alexa wrote and forget everything that I have written here.
          Thanks though, for showing us how effective spinning is, when done the way many advise.
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Lee Jr
        Originally Posted by bretski View Post

        The first thing you want to do is take your article from your site, spin it to 86% uniqueness (not 85% or 87%... 86% uniqueness) and then publish it to EZA. Then take that article, spin it into oblivion (until it is unreadable) and publish it everywhere else using your top ten keywords as anchor text for you backlinks pointing back to your EZA article. Do a profile backlink blast to your profile on EZA and a blog comment blast pointing to your spun articles on the top ten article directories. You can rotate those links using some nifty bot software that will probably wind up commenting some drivel on your own blogs that you can delete later. From there, you need to read what Alexa wrote and forget everything that I have written here.
        Thanks bretski - that was amusing

        Sad - because people actually do this , and worse they teach it to other people
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticleMan
    Article Marketing - I'm going to take this to a new level and throw in everything else you need to do which goes above and beyond link building.

    The only way that article marketing works, is by cheating. I said it, c-h-e-a-t-i-n-g.

    For anyone who thinks that manually submitting articles to the top directories is going to provide a decent income, don't read this and keep believing what it is you want to believe.

    Before you even start building links to your site...

    On-site optimization - You need to make sure that you've not only placed your main keyword in your title, but also 2-word or 3-word keyword phrases within it, including your main keyword again, as well.

    This will not only help you to rank high for your main keyword, but also for 2-word or 3-word keyword phrases.

    For example, if you own a site about flowers:

    Meta title for home page: Flowers, Lily Flowers, Beautiful Flowers, State Flowers

    You always want to target the heaviest searched keyword and keyword phrases to your home page. This is because your home page will rank higher, more easily, compared to inner pages, on Google.

    Your meta title for your home page is now set up to rank for: Flowers, Lily Flowers, Beautiful Flowers and State Flowers.

    Use Google Adsense Traffic Estimator to discover how many times per month, the longer tail keyword phrases are searched for, locally, within the United States, and target the highest searched keyword phrases towards your home page.

    Flowers - 13.6 million searches per month.
    American Flowers - 10 thousand searches per month.
    State Flowers - 22 thousand searches per month.
    Popular Flowers - 15 thousand searches per month.
    Beautiful Flowers - 27 thousand searches per month.
    Lily Flowers - 50 thousand searches per month.
    Exotic Flowers - 15 thousand searches per month.

    You can easily discover more keyword phrases if you use the Google Adsense Traffic Estimator Tool.

    Now to the the meta description for your home page:

    Meta Description: View magnificent photos of flowers, lily flowers, beautiful flowers and state flowers. Learn more about flowers, lily flowers, beautiful flowers and state flowers.

    Now your meta description for your home page is set up to rank high for the heaviest searched keyword phrases for Flowers, and your main keyword, Flowers.

    You also need to fill in your meta keywords.

    Meta keywords: flowers, lily flowers, beautiful flowers, state flowers

    Meta keywords isn't really important anymore, but use them.

    You need to make certain that your main keyword and keyword phrases are within your content on your home page.

    Home page text: You've discovered MySite(dot)(com)! View magnificent photos of flowers, lily flowers, beautiful flowers, state flowers and so much more. Learn more about flowers, lily flowers, beautiful flowers, state flowers and dozens of others.

    Now your home page has your main keyword and keyword phrases within its content.

    You are now fully optimized to rank your home page high on Google for Flowers, Lily Flowers, Beautiful Flowers and State Flowers.

    Set up your meta tags in the exact same way for your inner pages on the topic of other flowers/other keywords and keyword phrases for that particular page.

    These are the steps of building your site. It's not an overnight project. It can in fact take months to create a useful site. And useful it needs to be. Your site isn't a one shot monthly project, it's a lifetime work of art that you should be proud of and continue to add content/new pages to it at least once per week.

    After months of creating pages on your site and setting up your meta tags and content for those pages, you're ready to start Article marketing.

    Let's drive back to the beginning... Choose A URL with your main keyword within it, Flowers. This is very important. FlowersareFlowers(dot)(com) would work beautifully. Because now you have your main keyword in the URL twice and it's not overly long - yet still catchy and makes sense.

    Keep reading because you're gaining such powerful knowledge...

    Article marketing time...

    As I said before, cheat. You have to. How else are you going to pass your competitors?

    Purchase The Best Spinner. Once you get the Best Spinner, spend an hour spinning random sentences to get a feel for it.

    Now you need to use at least 3 article/blog submission services which allow you to upload spun content and 1-2 submission services that "strictly forbid spinning". Don't worry about strictly forbid spinning. I'm going to teach you how to spin so well, they either won't notice, or simply won't care. And you need to make sure that the network of sites each service is using are not the same as the others. This way you're submitting your article/blog comment to as many different IP address sites as possible.

    Spinning your content using The Best Spinner:
    After you write your article/blog post (Or steal it from EzineArticles... I never said that!) You need to manually, or highlight the entire sentence, set up spyntax on every sentence to create as many different sentences for each original sentence as possible. For example:

    Original sentence: There's so many different people who love to look at pictures of flowers.

    Step 2: {There's so many different people who love to look at pictures of flowers.|People have always been intrigued to look at picture of flowers.|A lot of people enjoy spending time to browse pictures of flowers.|Looking at pictures of flowers is a hobby to some people.|A countless amount of poeple take time to view different flowers online.}

    Step 3: Repeat step 2 for every sentence.

    Step 4: Once done with step 3, go back to the beginning of the article/blog comment and spin every word as many times as possible making sure it still reads correctly and makes sense.

    Once you've completed this after 1-3 working days depending on how much time you spend on it, you'll have created well over 1,000 articles/blog comments from a single article/blog comment. How long would it take you to do this manually? Hmmmmm?

    Before submitting this article/blog comment to your submission services, make sure, if it's an article, to first manually get unique versions of it and submit it manually to the top 10 article directories which have the highest Page Rank. Then, submit it using all services.

    Submit to to the most relevant categories in each service and then to the next most relevant category, etc.

    For the services that require only "100% unique content", manually get about 10-20 unique versions, as well, and queue them up for submission within these sites.

    Be sure to target your main keyword to your home page about 75% of the time while targeting 25% of your other keywords to your inner pages.

    Doing exactly this over the course of one year has landed me on page on of Google for a single-word keyword searched over 5 million times per month, and many long tail keywords for my home page and inner pages, as well.

    That's Article Marketing 101.

    You're welcome.

    Forgive me for my mis-spellings... I did have a couple Bud Lights and this took a while to write and I don't feel like double checking everything!
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by ArticleMan View Post


      Purchase The Best Spinner. Once you get the Best Spinner, spend an hour spinning random sentences to get a feel for it.

      Oh my.....GOD! *shreaks* Have you even bothered to read what is being said on this thread. WOW.

      A 3 year old could come up with better content than that.

      Probably the worst information I have seen in WF this year so far. WOW!

      Originally Posted by ArticleMan View Post


      That's Article Marketing 101.

      You're welcome.
      No its not... not at all. Oh dear...I just do not know what to say to that.
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  • Profile picture of the author ArticleMan
    It is article marketing...?

    You must be confused...

    Once your site is set up, you can write highly knowledgeable articles all you want. But, when was the last time you Google searched for any keyword or keyword or keyword phrase and found an article on an article marketing site ranking high? Never...

    Article marketing can only drive so much direct traffic to your site from people reading the actual article.

    Article marketing is 99.9% about Google finding as many backlinks to your site as possible which are surrounded by unique content.

    Even after the Panda update, Google isn't smart enough to "catch" this kind of link building as cheating. It's all unique. But takes a lot of hard work and hours, even a day or 2 to set up one article for submission.


    That doesn't count for the $3,000 worth of products I sold from my site today that I make 18% on...

    From December 1st through December 15th, I sold over $60,000 worth of product from my site for Christmas x 18% = $11,700 dollars in 2 weeks.

    I don't know what else to say about celente's comment.....


    I've also already made 185.34 on adsense clicks today and I stil have a few hours until 2AM once it resets.

    Celente might be a trooper and advanced user on this forum, but it's too bad they spend all there time on here and not enough time learning/being successful on the "outside" of this site.

    Someone's status doesn't mean anything. This is why anyone can rank high on Google for very competitive keywords doing exactly what I've said no matter which site is ranking right now.

    Just like celente can spend way too much time on here with over 3,000 posts giving weak information to people making them think it's gong to be super useful... no offense celente... it's true... And I really mean no offense...


    And there's currently 3,567 people browsing my site, at 12:05am i nthe morning...

    I'm actually offended by celente who's been on here for so long who "kicks my post in its ass" because they don't know what they're talking about and I'm not sharing my successful tips anymore on here...
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by ArticleMan View Post

      It is article marketing...?

      You must be confused...

      Once your site is set up, you can write highly knowledgeable articles all you want. But, when was the last time you Google searched for any keyword or keyword or keyword phrase and found an article on an article marketing site ranking high? Never...

      Article marketing can only drive so much direct traffic to your site from people reading the actual article.

      Article marketing is 99.9% about Google finding as many backlinks to your site as possible which are surrounded by unique content.

      Even after the Panda update, Google isn't smart enough to "catch" this kind of link building as cheating. It's all unique. But takes a lot of hard work and hours, even a day or 2 to set up one article for submission.


      That doesn't count for the $3,000 worth of products I sold from my site today that I make 18% on...

      From December 1st through December 15th, I sold over $60,000 worth of product from my site for Christmas x 18% = $11,700 dollars in 2 weeks.

      I don't know what else to say about celente's comment.....


      I've also already made 185.34 on adsense clicks today and I stil have a few hours until 2AM once it resets.

      Celente might be a trooper and advanced user on this forum, but it's too bad they spend all there time on here and not enough time learning/being successful on the "outside" of this site.

      Someone's status doesn't mean anything. This is why anyone can rank high on Google for very competitive keywords doing exactly what I've said no matter which site is ranking right now.

      Just like celente can spend way too much time on here with over 3,000 posts giving weak information to people making them think it's gong to be super useful... no offense celente... it's true... And I really mean no offense...


      And there's currently 3,567 people browsing my site, at 12:05am i nthe morning...

      I'm actually offended by celente who's been on here for so long who "kicks my post in its ass" because they don't know what they're talking about and I'm not sharing my successful tips anymore on here...
      no hard feelings, but I do come here because I have several successful sites on outsource. That gives me the chance to come here, learn and talk with other very smart marketers.

      I was liking your post till you started talking about spinning, and buying up software that is frowned apon. Spinning is dead, it always has been. If there was no spinning tools and people spinning, there would be no panda.

      Clear, content of high quality is what google has always been after. Ever since day 0, and you can give your myths and theories. But we get thousands of visitors to our site each day by high quality content placed infront of highly targeted audiences. The articles have not been spun, well researched, and written professionally. That is just one way we get traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author TiffLee
      Originally Posted by ArticleMan View Post

      I'm actually offended by celente who's been on here for so long who "kicks my post in its ass" because they don't know what they're talking about and I'm not sharing my successful tips anymore on here...
      Could we be so lucky? :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by ArticleMan View Post

      I'm actually offended by celente who's been on here for so long who "kicks my post in its ass" because they don't know what they're talking about and I'm not sharing my successful tips anymore on here...
      Rewind a seond.

      Article Man - I'm going to take this to a new level and throw in everything else you need to do which goes above and beyond link building.
      Sorry, you didn't do that. You showed people how to build a site. Nice work. Then, in your own words, to take this to a "new level", you showed people how to spin articles and submit them.

      Where is the new level? That is old stuff that is not what Celente and many others in this thread do. Sorry if you find that upsetting.

      You also gloat about cheating like it's something to write home about that no one here has encountered. You also have no thanks for your posts here despite the ground breaking advice. You also call yourself "article marketing" while telling everyone you have groundbreaking new stuff for them even though it's old school. I could even think this was leading to a WSO.

      Sorry but you took nothing to a new level whatsoever, not even close. I do appreciate you were trying to help, I just don't don't see why that is taking it to any level but one that has been done for many years.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by ArticleMan View Post

      It is article marketing...?

      You must be confused...

      Once your site is set up, you can write highly knowledgeable articles all you want. But, when was the last time you Google searched for any keyword or keyword or keyword phrase and found an article on an article marketing site ranking high? Never...

      Article marketing can only drive so much direct traffic to your site from people reading the actual article.

      Article marketing is 99.9% about Google finding as many backlinks to your site as possible which are surrounded by unique content.

      Even after the Panda update, Google isn't smart enough to "catch" this kind of link building as cheating. It's all unique. But takes a lot of hard work and hours, even a day or 2 to set up one article for submission.


      That doesn't count for the $3,000 worth of products I sold from my site today that I make 18% on...

      From December 1st through December 15th, I sold over $60,000 worth of product from my site for Christmas x 18% = $11,700 dollars in 2 weeks.

      I don't know what else to say about celente's comment.....


      I've also already made 185.34 on adsense clicks today and I stil have a few hours until 2AM once it resets.

      Celente might be a trooper and advanced user on this forum, but it's too bad they spend all there time on here and not enough time learning/being successful on the "outside" of this site.

      Someone's status doesn't mean anything. This is why anyone can rank high on Google for very competitive keywords doing exactly what I've said no matter which site is ranking right now.

      Just like celente can spend way too much time on here with over 3,000 posts giving weak information to people making them think it's gong to be super useful... no offense celente... it's true... And I really mean no offense...


      And there's currently 3,567 people browsing my site, at 12:05am i nthe morning...

      I'm actually offended by celente who's been on here for so long who "kicks my post in its ass" because they don't know what they're talking about and I'm not sharing my successful tips anymore on here...
      Articleman,

      I think you're the one that's confused. You're making some false assumptions on how people spend their time here. Take me for instance. I average about 30 minutes a day on this forum when I'm not traveling because I have the Warrior Forum tab on my computer most of the time. I pop in and out when I want to, but I don't stay on the actual forum for very long because I'm focused on my business. Don't assume because someone has a "high" post count that they spend their entire day here; that's not always the case. Sure, some spend a lot of hours in here, but remember, there are those that don't. Post count really is only indicative of one thing: post count.

      When you start giving out misinformation or bad advice, you're going to get called out on it. To come in on an article marketing thread and advise people to buy a spinner and just start spinning and show them how to get around the rules against spinning isn't going to get you many fans here.

      Article marketing is not "99% about Google finding as many backlinks to your site as possible which are surrounded by unique content." You're only focusing on one small aspect of article marketing and what I just quoted from you isn't remotely close to "99%". I didn't see you talk about the channels of distribution or finding content partners at all.

      That's very nice that you're selling a lot of products and if those figures are real then congrats to you. A lot of article marketers spin their content and a lot of them don't as well; it's two different camps with everything else inbetween. In the long run, spinning content doesn't do anyone any good. I personally don't spin because I believe in giving my readers, prospects, and customers original, valuable content; and I've been doing this a long time and it's worked extremely well for me.

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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        Sorry but you took nothing to a new level whatsoever, not even close. I do appreciate you were trying to help, I just don't don't see why that is taking it to any level but one that has been done for many years.
        Be fair, Richard. He never said the new level was higher, did he? :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author ISavant
    Wow, I know it may sound as though I am blowing sunshine up your skirts here, but I am amazed and grateful that you guys are here and so knowledgeable and helpful. I had tried starting with Ezine articles and such, but I never seen the traffic from the articles. I now know its because I was submitting to Ezine before I submitted to my own site.

    Just wanted to chime in and say thank you all for writing all of these wonderful responses!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      If I was the OP I wouldn't go past Alexas post.

      However, I'm betting on seeing a whole bunch of misinformation coming very soon to this very thread....
      I hope you put plenty of money on that bet, for you certainly won!

      Originally Posted by gomzydecor View Post

      Article Directories add link juice in two ways. First, web-crawlers (bots) crawls the link which we paste in the article. Secondly, When a reader reads your article there are fair chances that he will click on the link.
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      ...after your Ezine was live, better spin the content it with TBS or Spinner Chief and distribute them into other article directories...
      Originally Posted by ArticleMan View Post

      Article marketing time...

      As I said before, cheat. You have to. How else are you going to pass your competitors?

      Purchase The Best Spinner. Once you get the Best Spinner, spend an hour spinning random sentences to get a feel for it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by John Coutts View Post

        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        I'm betting on seeing a whole bunch of misinformation coming very soon to this very thread....
        I hope you put plenty of money on that bet, for your certainly won!
        He certainly did, I'm afraid.

        I was a bit dismayed when I got online this morning and saw what had happened to the thread (quite apart from feeling sorry for Celente, who deserved so much better, as we can all see).

        I decided, on balance, though, that it might be a mistake to appear to dignify ArticleMan's "contributions" with any serious replies; I think most people reading threads like this already more or less understand about "spinning" (:rolleyes, and I was pretty heartened by ArticleMan's final observation that he wouldn't share his "tips" here any more. That must mitigate the damage, to a large degree?
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        • Profile picture of the author celente
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          He certainly did, I'm afraid.

          I was a bit dismayed when I got online this morning and saw what had happened to the thread (quite apart from feeling sorry for Celente, who deserved so much better, as we can all see).

          I decided, on balance, though, that it might be a mistake to appear to dignify ArticleMan's "contributions" with any serious replies; I think most people reading threads like this already more or less understand about "spinning" (:rolleyes, and I was pretty heartened by ArticleMan's final observation that he wouldn't share his "tips" here any more. That must mitigate the damage, to a large degree?
          Thanks so much darls.

          When morons come in here with 5 posts to their name, claiming to be the spinning messiah, and holding all the secrets I just laugh.

          comes in here for 5 mins and blurts verbatim, where as persons such as yourself come in here and spends hours posting real info that can actually help people in a big way.

          Sticks and stones, I just want people in the WF to know that there is spinners and this topic needs to be stopped in here. Especailly posts like articleman, because some newbies will comes in here, and actually try that stuff.

          If you want a business online, a real business there are no short cuts, there is HARD WORK and doing things right!. There is no black hat, grey hat, blue fart....its about doing things that a normal profitable businesses does. Hard work and smart work. Nothing more nothing less.
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          • Profile picture of the author FelixFuturi
            Originally Posted by celente View Post

            Thanks so much darls.

            When morons come in here with 5 posts to their name, claiming to be the spinning messiah, and holding all the secrets I just laugh.

            comes in here for 5 mins and blurts verbatim, where as persons such as yourself come in here and spends hours posting real info that can actually help people in a big way.

            Sticks and stones, I just want people in the WF to know that there is spinners and this topic needs to be stopped in here. Especailly posts like articleman, because some newbies will comes in here, and actually try that stuff.

            If you want a business online, a real business there are no short cuts, there is HARD WORK and doing things right!. There is no black hat, grey hat, blue fart....its about doing things that a normal profitable businesses does. Hard work and smart work. Nothing more nothing less.
            Blue Fart?? lol is that smurf SEO

            I know off topic but I had a real good laugh!
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  • Profile picture of the author Koolsteve
    Personally I prefer to guest post on quality Blogs. No hassle and article less likely to be stolen. Hubpages and Squidoo Lens are very good for visitors and quality backlinks.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by Koolsteve View Post

      Personally I prefer to guest post on quality Blogs. No hassle and article less likely to be stolen. Hubpages and Squidoo Lens are very good for visitors and quality backlinks.

      All the best,
      Koolsteve
      well you are for a start about 200 lightyears ahead of spinners and those who use spinning tools. No names mentioned. Kudos to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
    Since there has been a discussion about article marketing, just wanted to point out that even Matt Cutts doesn't quite understand article marketing.

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    • Profile picture of the author JOSourcing
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      Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

      Since there has been a discussion about article marketing, just wanted to point out that even Matt Cutts doesn't quite understand article marketing.

      YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
      In less than 3 minutes, Matt Cutts dismissed the tools and methods of article marketing at least 6 times as:

      0:28 "copies, mirrors, duplicates"
      0:37 "not the highest quality"
      0:41 "not the highest quality"
      0:48 "duplicate content across the web"
      1:30 "not to be as high quality"
      1:50 "not an incredible value add"

      All of which suggests it's time to finally put this worn out strategy to rest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Let's keep it civil guys, there's no need to be calling anybody "morons". Let's just call it how we see it without the personal attacks okay?

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  • Profile picture of the author ArticleMan
    Moron. No. Newbie to this forum. Yes.

    Do you know how many times my spun articles are picked up from other sites and spread around to other sites by people spreading them around, a lot.

    Do you know how many times someone has commented on my articles/blog comments and thanked me for actually providing a quality article/blog comment for them to read, many.

    Not only do I drive a huge amount of direct traffic to my sites from these articles/blog comments, but because I spin them at the most advanced level, whichever keywords I'm shooting for, raise up on Google.

    Edit:
    A friend of mine I went to high school with owns a rather large office building. He designs websites, which he's really good at. He also offers marketing services and has traveled all over the United States to seminars.

    I saw an ad for his business in our local news paper, and said to myself, "Wow, someone I personally know does exactly what I do". So I contacted him by phone and ended up meeting him for lunch - I hadn't talked to him in years.

    After I explained what it is I do, he didn't want any part of it. He said, "I don't want you to do any kind of that work to my site".

    Well, too bad for him, because I already knew which main keywords he was stuck for on the bottom of page one on Google and of course I knew his domain.

    So I spent 2 weeks of my own time doing work on his site behind his back, without telling him.

    After 2 weeks, I sent him an email and told him to type his main keyword in Google in 30 days.

    I didn't hear from him for over a month - and then an email came.

    "What the heck did you so and how did you do it? I'm #1 on Google and I couldn't break from position 7-8 no matter what I did."

    He then offered me a job to do work for his clients... but I'm simply too busy promoting my own site.

    Where as anyone else doing this manually, does in fact get direct traffic from their articles, and some of these articles might be getting picked up and spread, as mine do too, but their site is no where to be seen on Google's 1st page for competitive keywords.

    I've been bashed before on other forums from people who have thousands of posts and "know it all". The only thing you know about Internet marketing is how to be the exact same as millions of others making little or no money from their sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by ArticleMan View Post

      Moron. No. Newbie to this forum. Yes.

      Do you know how many times my spun articles are picked up from other sites and spread around to other sites by people spreading them around, a lot.

      Do you know how many times someone has commented on my articles/blog comments and thanked me for actually providing a quality article/blog comment for them to read, many.

      Not only do I drive a huge amount of direct traffic to my sites from these articles/blog comments, but because I spin them at the most advanced level, whichever keywords I'm shooting for, raise up on Google.

      Where as anyone else doing this manually, does in fact get direct traffic from their articles, and some of these articles might be getting picked up and spread, as mine do too, but their site is no where to be seen on Google's 1st page for competitive keywords.

      I've been bashed before on other forums from people who have thousands of posts and "know it all". The only thing you know about Internet marketing is how to be the exact same as millions of others making little or no money from their sites.
      Right ho, chill out. Celente shouldn't have called you a moron but take this for what it is. No one has said you don't make good money and all I said was what you do is nothing new and it isn't is it? That was my only point.

      Next important thing to consider though, is not to bunch all of us as people that don't make money, because that's just silly and unfounded and you've not got a thing to back it up with. I saw your stats earlier too, very good as well but please don't think that makes much difference here, not a lot does with no proof. I could spout off about a deal I did today and how much I made but I'm not here to prove myself to others, I've proved it to myself, the only person that matters.

      So on that note, well done for doing so well in your business, I hope it continues but my point was, it's not new, it isn't new and theres nothing wrong with that either. I'm just saying what you showed us is no "new level" and it's been around for a long time.

      I'm also pleased you can get to #1 in Google too, so can I and lots of others here, it's an internet marketing forum. Word of advice though, build up a good section of your business you have total control over and you're entire model doesn't involve being totally reliant on Google rankings and, as you said, cheating Google. One day, you never know, Google may outsmart even you.

      Edit. Just seen in another thread you're under the illusion that the only way to get #1 in Google for competitive keywords is spinning or spending thousands on back links. Not only is that plain nonsense, it proves your knowledge outside of being able to spin, is massively under developed and I can see from that statement you won't be accepting anyone else's point of view, which is just pointless really.

      Spinning articles is actually the only thing you can do to raise to the top of Google for very competitive keywords - unless you want to spend thousands of dollars per month like some of your competitors are doing through link building companies
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

      Since there has been a discussion about article marketing, just wanted to point out that even Matt Cutts doesn't quite understand article marketing.
      LOL - I hear you, I hear you ... in that particular video, he means "article directory marketing", really, when he refers to "article marketing". To be fair, there are also many other places where he doesn't make that very common slip-up! :p :rolleyes:

      Tempting, from his perspective, understandably wanting to discourage and penalize "spinning", "mass-submission", and all the nonsensical, futile crap that pollutes the web, to think of it and express it in that way, though ...
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      • Profile picture of the author celente
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        LOL - I hear you, I hear you ... in that particular video, he means "article directory marketing", really, when he refers to "article marketing". To be fair, there are also many other places where he doesn't make that very common slip-up! :p :rolleyes:

        Tempting, from his perspective, understandably wanting to discourage and penalize "spinning", "mass-submission", and all the nonsensical, futile crap that pollutes the web, to think of it and express it in that way, though ...
        and there you have it. Its simple, articleman should read the very sensible and great advice in this thread.

        Great stuff Alexa. I am wondering if he spun his posts and posting it around the other forums he visits. wink!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
      Originally Posted by ArticleMan View Post

      Do you know how many times my spun articles are picked up from other sites and spread around to other sites by people spreading them around, a lot.
      I think I've had nightmares about this happening ... the nightmare also involved a sewage plant and an insane asylum, as I recall ...
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    Post them on your site, then to a few of the major article sites mentioned in this post after they've been on your site for 6 to 12 months. Better to build up your own rep than help ezine build up theirs. Besides, a lot of those sites get smacked when Google comes out with new updates, along with your articles. Better to invest that effort into building your own site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post

      Post them on your site, then to a few of the major article sites mentioned in this post after they've been on your site for 6 to 12 months.
      Oooh, 6 - 12 months is a long time to wait? :p

      Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post

      Better to build up your own rep than help ezine build up theirs.
      Exactly so.

      Many people, for reasons best known to themselves, seem to prefer to build up EZA's reputation and website and traffic rather than their own.

      Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post

      Besides, a lot of those sites get smacked when Google comes out with new updates, along with your articles.
      Exactly so.

      And those updates are ongoing, Google assures us. It wasn't just "a 2011 update" as some seem to imagine.

      Originally Posted by sethczerepak View Post

      Better to invest that effort into building your own site.
      Exactly so.
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  • Profile picture of the author DoubleOhDave
    HI Alexa,
    Thanks very much for all the info - I am making article marketing one of the main two focuses of my marketing in 2012. I am new to this and between you and Tiff Lee I am learning quite a bit.
    Forgive what may seem like a stupid question - and I HAVE read everything so please read my question fully before assuming I haven't.

    I understand how there is no point spinning (now that I understand article marketing properly) but do spinners have a place in rewriting content that you may want to include within the article you are writing so as to keep it unique rather than tracts of duplicate material.

    I ask this because when researching material I find information that I think is useful. I then spin it and the rewrite it as if it was PLR so that I am writing from my own understanding of the material and also making it unique to me.

    Am I wrong to do this, or is it an acceptable way of making material my own?

    Thanks
    (and before anyone jumps on me, please read what I am asking, not what you think I am asking)
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    • Profile picture of the author TiffLee
      Originally Posted by DoubleOhDave View Post

      I ask this because when researching material I find information that I think is useful. I then spin it and the rewrite it as if it was PLR so that I am writing from my own understanding of the material and also making it unique to me.

      Am I wrong to do this, or is it an acceptable way of making material my own?

      Thanks
      (and before anyone jumps on me, please read what I am asking, not what you think I am asking)
      I see no problem with this ... in fact, I do it quite often.

      It is part of researching.

      I will find a source of material that is relevant to my niche, and rewrite the material into my own words in such a way that it easily flows with the rest of the content. I have used information from seven or eight different websites to create one 1,200 word article.
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      • Profile picture of the author DoubleOhDave
        Originally Posted by TiffLee View Post

        I see no problem with this ... in fact, I do it quite often.

        It is part of researching.

        I will find a source of material that is relevant to my niche, and rewrite the material into my own words in such a way that it easily flows with the rest of the content. I have used information from seven or eight different websites to create one 1,200 word article.
        Excellent! (PS - you have mail)
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by DoubleOhDave View Post

      HI Alexa,
      Thanks very much for all the info - I am making article marketing one of the main two focuses of my marketing in 2012. I am new to this and between you and Tiff Lee I am learning quite a bit.
      Forgive what may seem like a stupid question - and I HAVE read everything so please read my question fully before assuming I haven't.

      I understand how there is no point spinning (now that I understand article marketing properly) but do spinners have a place in rewriting content that you may want to include within the article you are writing so as to keep it unique rather than tracts of duplicate material.

      I ask this because when researching material I find information that I think is useful. I then spin it and the rewrite it as if it was PLR so that I am writing from my own understanding of the material and also making it unique to me.

      Am I wrong to do this, or is it an acceptable way of making material my own?

      Thanks
      (and before anyone jumps on me, please read what I am asking, not what you think I am asking)
      I'm not trying to jump on you. But the answer is "it depends"...

      The way Tiff explained she does it, I see no problem. Note that she said she might use 7 or 8 different sites to get material for one article. She didn't say she took one or two or three articles, mashed them together, and called it hers.

      There's also no negative to acknowledging contributions from others. I'll often include comments like:

      "According to an article by Joe Expert, blah, blah, blah. While this seems logical, Jane Authority says yada, yada, yada. Which one is right? Consider..."

      Not only does this acknowledge Joe's and Jane's contributions to your knowledge, it puts you on their level. It enhances your own authority by commenting on the work of recognized authorities.

      Granted, this may not be the approach you want to take in a 400 word filler piece or blog post. But for longer, more comprehensive pieces it can give you the best of both worlds...

      Edit: There can also be side benefits to doing this.

      > If Joe or Jane has Google alerts set for their names, it can set the stage for forming a relationship with them. They see your article commenting on their area of expertise, and contact you to either thank you or point out something you may have missed. Which gives you fodder for a followup article.

      > If Joe or Jane are prominent enough, their names or articles they've done might be long-tail keywords on their own. This can increase the odds of someone finding your article and increase its relevance.
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  • Profile picture of the author DoubleOhDave
    Thanks John,
    I certainly understand what you mean, and yes I was modelling my rewriting efforts on the same basis as Tiffany. Although in the past I have rarely written an article beyond 700 words, I am now making the effort to do so. Plus I only wrote for fun before and now am centering my sights on dollar bills! (Euros are so 2008!)
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    • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
      Originally Posted by DoubleOhDave View Post

      ... am centering my sights on dollar bills! (Euros are so 2008!)
      Don't write off the Euro yet!

      John.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by John Coutts View Post

        Don't write off the Euro yet!
        I'm not: far from it ... but equally, I couldn't help noticing that it did drop 250 pips against the US$ over a 9-hour period, during the day, today. :p
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        • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Originally Posted by John Coutts View Post

          Don't write off the Euro yet!
          I'm not: far from it ... but equally, I couldn't help noticing that it did drop 250 pips against the US$ over a 9-hour period, during the day, today. :p
          Yes, it's creeping ever closer to parity with the US$, which is eroding my earnings.

          However, it's doing better against the GB£, so maybe I should shift over to finding more clients in the UK.

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        • Profile picture of the author celente
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I'm not: far from it ... but equally, I couldn't help noticing that it did drop 250 pips against the US$ over a 9-hour period, during the day, today. :p
          alexa has good intutation. maybe it is a womans intution or something ....but I have inside knowlege about these subjects...and can tell you it is not just the EURO that is doomed. the purchasing power of the US dollar is going to be a BIG problem soon...infact it already is. But if you think the EURO is fine, you would be wrong, big trouble coming to these currencies soon. You heard it here first.
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          • Profile picture of the author nekrozon
            I'm so pissed that blue fart marketing is a hoax.

            Guess it's time to spin again ... But my legs get tired real fast because I spin so hard.
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    I agree with the posters who are talking about article quality, it's all about your writing quality. Frankly, I don't post on those sites anymore, I post on my own and link to them in social networks. Not building anyone else's site when I could be building my own.
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    i am a beginner, so hard to understand what of all of you discuss
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  • Profile picture of the author joven
    Wow! Lots of information regarding writing articles. And it looks that most everybody is negative about article writing. What I will do is just hire somebody to design my website for me and keep on reading about traffic building. That is the reason I am here: to learn.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ord Allenbea
    Not all article directories are the same and some actually do provide backlinks with no interference of link juice. Although Alexa is right on most counts. Just thought I would mention not all have been built as poorly as ezine articles and the rest of the content farms.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialpostingandstuff
    Article marketing well it can get you a backward link and yet the google guys state poor quailty content and yet I wonder about one mans trash is another man treasure.

    So what may be trash to them may be treasure to another and this is the reason why use ablility or length of time on site is important. So let say their is a trash article on marketing so like this:

    article marketing is writing an article and marketing it

    Yep that would be trash article lol and yet if their is alot of time spent on that page what then???

    So the page is trash because of the trash content? nope becuase time spnt is taken into ranking site.
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  • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
    Where is the donate button to donate some money to Alexa?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Long
      Originally Posted by StevenJones View Post

      Where is the donate button to donate some money to Alexa?
      ^^^THIS

      Alexa, if you have a Tip Jar hiding somewhere, let me know. For all you've contributed on this topic over the past year+ (just that I've read so far), all I can say is...

      "Please take my money."

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        Originally Posted by Mike Long View Post

        "Please take my money."

        -Mike
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Long
          LOL...thanks Joe!

          I've cleared out most of my "friendship" locker (it was pretty stale anyway, since I've mostly been away from the forum since late 2009), and sent invites out to those who seem to be doing this successfully (Alexa accepted my friend request long ago thankfully...).

          I want to surround myself with successful people who are actively doing this.

          I get this. I totally, totally get this. It's where I was trying to go back in 2009 when I wrote Article Bully (use your content to make yourself an authority in any niche), but I wasn't able to make that last jump/distinction to "proper" syndication.

          This has been the missing link for me. I love creating detailed, informative, entertaining content, but I have always HATED (1) building artificial backlinks, and (2) being overly dependent upon SE's for traffic.

          I've always wanted a way to create killer content that people love to read, and develop a pathway to monetization that avoided the two points above.

          And now I have it, thanks to all of you wonderful people who have shared so much.

          I'm diving into this pool headfirst.

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    Alex Smith, your posts are awesome, helpful and detailed. It really opened my eye today.
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  • Profile picture of the author nasuryono
    I wouldn't put effort ranking your articles in the eZine directory. Once they are approved, you are good to go.

    Put your effort ranking your OWN site, rather than ranking your outside articles.

    If you really want to get more exposure, you should write more articles to different article directories, not just eZine. That way, you will have a more natural looking backlink profile.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by nasuryono View Post

      I wouldn't put effort ranking your articles in the eZine directory. Once they are approved, you are good to go.

      Put your effort ranking your OWN site, rather than ranking your outside articles.
      Abso-freakin'-lutely...

      Originally Posted by nasuryono View Post

      If you really want to get more exposure, you should write more articles to different article directories, not just eZine. That way, you will have a more natural looking backlink profile.
      Whoops...

      With all due respect, if you really want more exposure, putting articles on more directories isn't the answer. Actively finding publishers of 'real' websites, ezines and even print publications is the answer.

      Not only do you get to ride the implied endorsement from the publisher, gaining some of the fruits of his audience-building effort, you get links from a wide variety of sites. Much more natural that shotgunning articles to a pile of directories.

      nasuryono, you sound like you probably already get this, but a lot of people will read "write more articles to different article directories" and think 'gee, if submitting a dozen articles to one directory is good, then a thousand articles to ten thousand directories must be even better.' Hence, they waste their time and money on article spinners and submission bots.

      I'd rather have one high-quality (read 'highly effective') article shared and republished on dozens to hundreds of closely related ('relevant') sites any day of the week.
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  • Profile picture of the author rightseosteps
    It's not so much of spinning article and building backlinks to these directories. What you want to aim for is the high pagerank article directories and submit a unique article to them. I'm not saying to submit 10 articles at ezine, ONLY if you have 20 keywords then sure go for it that way 20 backlinks count. If you want maximum rankings i would submit a unique article to pr2+ article directories. If you want a list i'll be more then happy to supply you one and it should make your life a lot easy.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
      Originally Posted by rightseosteps View Post

      It's not so much of spinning article and building backlinks to these directories. What you want to aim for is the high pagerank article directories and submit a unique article to them. I'm not saying to submit 10 articles at ezine, ONLY if you have 20 keywords then sure go for it that way 20 backlinks count. If you want maximum rankings i would submit a unique article to pr2+ article directories. If you want a list i'll be more then happy to supply you one and it should make your life a lot easy.
      Slight problem there ... The home page of the article directories might well be high page rank, but the page that your article is published one is a PR0 - each and every time, and always too.

      Sorry if that sounds depressing, but the full power of any article published in an article directory is PR0, with a not very powerful back link in the resource box. The PR may change with time, of course, but that's how it starts out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by rightseosteps View Post

      What you want to aim for is the high pagerank article directories
      There's no such thing as a "high page rank article directory".

      Article directories are websites, and websites don't have page ranks. Only pages have page ranks.

      You're referring to the page rank of the article directory's own home page. If you can find a way of getting an article published on that page (which none of the rest of us can), it might then be worth something to you, but even so, not much! Because what determines the value of a backlink is mostly relevance and quality, rather than page ranks (though the pages you're discussing, with our articles on them, are all PR-0, for the record).

      All of this is actually explained in some detail in post #2 above.

      Trying to use article directories for their own backlinks is totally missing the point. All of this is explained at length and in detail on the previous page of this thread, and in 100 other article marketing threads in this forum.

      Originally Posted by rightseosteps View Post

      and submit a unique article to them.
      This is just nonsense. There's not much point in submitting to a directory an article which you haven't yet even published and had indexed on your own site first. This is absolutely fundamental to any model of article marketing: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

      Sorry, but what you're saying here is all completely wrong, and many years out of date, too.
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