Can we have a heart to heart for a second?

by TimCastleman 59 replies
Hey there -

I'm writing this at 9:25pm on Wednesday night, November 16th 2011 and I'm a little bummed.

See about an hour ago I got off a webinar I presented for James Jones where I talked about affiliate marketing.

Specifically, I showed them just a few ways I've made close to $200,000 as an affiliate in 2011.

The comments from the webinar were amazing and inspiring:

"Great webinar with tons of content Tim"

"Talk about over delivery"


"Thanks for finally giving me an Ah Ha moment"


The sales of the affiliate marketing training I offered however sucked.

One of my worst performing webinars ever when it came to sales.

So I went in search of answers as to how people could be so happy with the content yet only a few wanted to actually learn how to do it.

One of the main answers I got back was this ... "it sounds good but it seems like a lot of work."

That's when I thought about this sign that hangs in my mom’s shop:



Here is what I want to tell you: everything in life worth having takes work.

That's right - I said a dirty four letter word ... the secret sauce of internet marketers everywhere ... this stuff takes work.

Not a lot of it mind you.

I bet I honestly work less than 20 hours a week and I’m able to make six figures a year.

But I do work.

No, I don't break big rocks into little rocks nor do I punch a clock or draw a salary (although I did for 12 years and there is nothing wrong with that).

I love what I do and wouldn't change it for the world - but still at its most basic level ... it takes work.

The sooner you understand that - the better off you'll be.

Sure marketers will do their best to convince you there is a shortcut, an easy button, a loophole, or some other bull**** product but the reality is while there are millions of things out there that can reduce the learning curve you still have to do some work to get there.

I also understand this …

For some of you this is just a hobby.

A way to spend a little time, to learn some cool stuff, to have an emergency "break in case of job loss" backup plan.

That's cool. I get it.

Hell I sat on the sidelines for years before ever getting off my ass. In fact, if I didn't hate my job so much and the people I worked with I might have never gotten serious and gotten started.

But I did.

And it took work to get from there to where I am today.

It took time, energy, and money to get to where I am today and I don't regret a single second of it.

You see because I put in the work, I got the rewards.

Not at first though.

It took time.

Time for me to go from $100 a month to a few thousand, and eventually $10,000 and beyond.

So let’s be really honest for a second.

If you’re serious about being an entrepreneur and not just a wantapreneur, then stop looking for the easy button and start looking for a solid business model to follow.

Yes you can buy shortcuts and things that speed up your business - but you'll never be able to eliminate that dirty four letter word - work.

Find people who are doing what you want to do and model them. Buy some consulting time, buy a few products, reverse engineer products and promotions.

Look at everything they do on two levels:

1. What they are sending out, selling, etc
2. Why are they doing it

Sounds like a little bit of work doesn’t it?

Now you’re getting the hang of this.

If you honestly want to get from where you are to where you want to be there is good news.

There is plenty of opportunity out there and if you provide value to others you can change your life and theirs.

But there is only one thing that is going to get you there … and it’s dressed up in overalls and it looks like work.

Tim
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  • Profile picture of the author DogScout
    Any of these around? ~



    Lol.Good reminder. (For all the god it will do!)

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    • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
      Originally Posted by DogScout View Post

      Any of these around? ~



      Lol.Good reminder. (For all the god it will do!)

      Sorry Dog, no sorta easy button here.

      Just real world truth and results.

      Was the juice worth the squeeze???

      I'd say so.
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      • Profile picture of the author DogScout
        Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

        Sorry Dog, no sorta easy button here.

        Just real world truth and results.

        Was the juice worth the squeeze???

        I'd say so.
        Actually, I'd say there is a 'Sorta Easy' button here. In my last 3D 'job', I could get done what I needed to do in 2½ hours max. (An hour of managing my crew, an hour on the phone and 30 minutes of paperwork). However, that was not true for a couple of years to begin with. My crew would do the Roman equivalent of 'dying' for me. (Because I protected them all the way. When my boss called me in to complain about something one of them did, I ALWAYS told him that was my fault as I instructed them to do that, but I'd make the adjustment. Lol.) My only problem is my health won't allow me to do that even 2½ hours a day. (Could do 1½ hours of it from home!)

        The only trouble was sometimes I had to actually talk with a client. And no one has come up with an accurate algorithm to predict when they would show up, so had to twiddle my thumbs a lot. Same with IM and 'passive income' Takes 'balls to the walls' for a couple of five years but then it gets sorta easy. (At least that is what I have heard for business models not based on services that cannot be automated well:rolleyes.

        And even then, if you outsource and manage your crew properly,... you get the idea?

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  • Profile picture of the author Shane N
    Tim,

    I'm with you 1000%. Nice post. Spot on brother!

    Of course it's nice to be able to work from home, make your own hours, be your own boss, etc... But just as you said ever so eloquently... It takes WORK!

    You can't just "put up a website" and outsource 2 articles and expect to be rich! I see it all to often, people getting into this business and quitting after a short period of time because their not rich yet after putting very little WORK into their endeavor.

    People often forget that an online business is not much different from an offline business in the sense that it takes work, time, energy, effort and monetary investment to make stuff happen. Maybe it's those late night infomercials that make it sound like all you need is a domain name and to pay $29.99/month and the thousands will start rolling in!

    Great post. Sorry about your less-than-satisfactory results from your webinar... But keep WORKING and doing what you do. If people don't want to learn from someone and emulate someone who is making good money online, then it's their loss.

    Best,
    Shane
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  • Profile picture of the author paulosully
    Thanks. Great post.
    That quote has always been one of my favorites. For me, my ah-ah moment came when I realized that there wasn't an "easy button". Once I recognized that it takes real work and effort it became more real and feasible to me.
    Seeking some mysterious magic formula only confused me. But buckling down with a plan and working the plan suddenly made sense and I realized I could do this.
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  • Profile picture of the author A.Green
    I agree, but sometimes I think people aren't willing to put in the work because they're not sure of the return. Starting any kind of business requires a fairly high tolerance for risk because you could put in tons of work (doing ineffective things) and get nothing out of it. That and just because you're doing "work" doesn't mean you have to be miserable. Sure, no matter what business you're in, there will be some drudge-work, but overall, some work will be more enjoyable than others. I'd probably be bored to tears doing a golf blog and therefore be less inclined to work on it, but someone who loves golf would have fun, "work" more and make good money. So I think either you need a really, really disciplined personality or you need to find a happy medium between "passion" and "profit." Just some thoughts. (And sorry if this lacks paragraph spaces. The forum wasn't letting me put them in this morning. :-/)
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    • Profile picture of the author UncleDearest
      Originally Posted by A.Green View Post

      I agree, but sometimes I think people aren't willing to put in the work because they're not sure of the return.
      I think that's such a good point.There's no question that this type of business requires a lot of blind faith. Most people just won't take that leap. The funny thing is it doesn't really cost much. Just takes time and WORK! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
    Sorry to hear about the results from your webinar.

    One of the first things that come to mind is the definition of "work" ... it probably differs from person to person. Physical labor, mental labor, time, ... ?

    One of the keywords in one of the responses is "sounds (like work)." Maybe their perception of what work is needs to be addressed.

    To me, work is taking time away from something else I would rather be doing. Taking paperwork down to have someone else do my taxes comes to mind as work I hate .

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  • Profile picture of the author feliciayapsl
    Thanks for the great post.
    I agree that too many of us just want a quick way to make a lot of money fast. And in search of that, we tend to get distracted by the newest shiny object that comes along our way. In order to get to where we want, we have to stay focus & stop looking around.
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    I heart you Tim! Nicely said man.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
      I want a refund Tim, I was expecting something a little warmer and fuzzier from you. You've really let me down with all the straight talk.
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      • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
        Great post. I wish the title was "it takes work to make it in business".

        Maybe a few more posts like this with that kind of title will balance out all the WSO's offering a ton of money easy and breezy without much work.

        Originally Posted by Micheal D Forbes View Post

        I want a refund Tim, I was expecting something a little warmer and fuzzier from you. You've really let me down with all the straight talk.
        LOL. Well, I want a refund too because he gave me too much information too fast and I just can't absorb it all.

        I am sorry that you didn't do so well after giving so much valuable information.

        But know this, you provided service to those people and I believe, money follows service. So the monetary reward may not be coming directly from them but who knows where your reward will come from. That's my opinion anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Ryan
          Some people will never stop looking for riches without work. They'll go from product to product never really accomplishing much at all. The thing is, all the time and effort they waste searching for easy riches could have been put toward a solid plan and they could have been making a decent income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sojourn
    Don't worry, Tim. Just chalk it up to being the wrong audience. There are still lots of people who know that this really does take work. Not sure how you carve out the right audience but that would be the lesson learned from the webinar. Maybe you cover a topic that is more detailed which would only interest people who get their hands dirty and you'd find a far better ROI for your time. A thought.

    Also, someone mentioned that it's the definition of work that can throw people and that is very true. I left a demanding job to work from home building affiliate sites and it doesn't seem like work to me at all. It's like getting paid to play on the computer as much or as little as I want - a dream come true!!
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  • Profile picture of the author briankoz
    One thing that you might be overlooking is perhaps the attendees loved your content but didn't see a reason to buy.

    If you give them everything they need (or even if you give them everything they *think* that they need -- even if they need your course to do it better or complete it) in the webinar itself, it can kill sales because there's really no reason in their eyes to buy then.

    It's a tough call between what's too little content and what's too much content when you're selling. I've seen guys who did crap sales on calls and at events but gave awesome content, but when they switched around their presentation by not giving it all away, their sales skyrocketed.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
      Originally Posted by briankoz View Post

      One thing that you might be overlooking is perhaps the attendees loved your content but didn't see a reason to buy.

      If you give them everything they need (or even if you give them everything they *think* that they need -- even if they need your course to do it better or complete it) in the webinar itself, it can kill sales because there's really no reason in their eyes to buy then.

      It's a tough call between what's too little content and what's too much content when you're selling. I've seen guys who did crap sales on calls and at events but gave awesome content, but when they switched around their presentation by not giving it all away, their sales skyrocketed.

      - Brian
      This post by Brian here is the REAL gold in this thread, yet not a single like.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
        Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

        This post by Brian here is the REAL gold in this thread, yet not a single like.
        Jason -

        Have no fears, I know the mistakes I made in the webinar but that wasn't the point of the OP.

        While you and Frank love to give the impression of being surf bums you know that when it comes down to it you work your ass off to get where you are today.

        Frank admits it and I am sure you do as well.

        People want the reward, they just don't want to work for it.

        Like Kennedy says:

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        1% are the top earners
        4% make good money
        15% make a living
        80% keep wishing something would change.

        Tim

        PS: Jason - what's your bonus for PLF 3.2?
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        • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
          Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

          Jason -

          Have no fears, I know the mistakes I made in the webinar but that wasn't the point of the OP.

          While you and Frank love to give the impression of being surf bums you know that when it comes down to it you work your ass off to get where you are today.

          Frank admits it and I am sure you do as well.

          People want the reward, they just don't want to work for it.

          Like Kennedy says:

          1
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          1% are the top earners
          4% make good money
          15% make a living
          80% keep wishing something would change.

          Tim

          PS: Jason - what's your bonus for PLF 3.2?
          I know it wasn't the point of the original post, and your post has a ton of validity to it. However, this is still a marketing forum and it just amazes me sometimes when people drop serious knowledge or money making tips it goes overlooked by so called marketers who are more concerned with what others are doing, or what they aren't doing when it comes to mind set and getting off their asses. (I'm not really referring to you because I know you learned from that mistake and will adjust accordingly).

          Yes, I did bust my rear for years to get where I'm at. But admittedly, I haven't done jack for two years and still raked in good coin. However, I'm about to start working like I've never worked before because truthfully, I'm only in that 4% bracket right now. I need to be a top earner, and that sure does take some hard work, which I'm definitely not afraid of.

          Your post surely rings of truth. I was just surprised more people didn't focus on the elements that could of brought more profits instead of more whine & cheese. Actually, I'm not really that surprised at all. Not sure why I just lied right there.

          Best of luck on the next webby, and good on you for doing some actual teaching instead of throwing out blind pitches.

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          • Profile picture of the author robnoble
            Well I'm sittin here in my underpants pushin buttons for internet wealth an it's goin great!
            I gots 20,000 ad exchange credits already so as soon as I cn decide what easy affiliate winner I'm a gonna get promotin I'll be makin bank.
            Aint this internet lifestyle grand :rolleyes:

            (with sincere apologies to anyone finding themselves getting an involuntary mental image about underpants)
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  • Profile picture of the author joshmstanton
    Dude I fully concur with you, this stuff takes work, there's no push button software out there that can take you to $200k/year.

    If you fit in the following category, don't hate, it's nothing personal...

    A huge demographic these day in IM are retirees who have worked their butts off their whole lives.

    Understandably, making the decision to get back on the horse again and start doing something that on the surface sounds like a lot of work, would be something extremely hard to do.

    So I think what's needed here is a general shift in the mentality of what it takes to become a successful online marketer.

    EVERYBODY needs to start telling their peers that this stuff ain't easy.

    Say yes if this has happened to you...

    There's too many to count, but whenever someone asks me what I do for a living, I find it hard to answer.

    Not because I'm not proud of what I do or I'm worried others will think it's lame, but instead I know for a fact that the person I'm talking to is going to think they can do it too...which they can if they really want.

    The problem?

    Immediately this is what goes on in that persons mind...

    "Hmm I wonder if I could put up a bunch of sites myself and make some quick, 'easy' money?"

    Straight away if that person starts to ask me more questions, I always answer this way...

    "Dude it's not as easy as it sounds"

    I think what's important is, that if we can keep THAT mentality in mind, then the people who REALLY want it, will push past the fear of having to work hard and learn something new.

    That's the kind of energy that fuels success for everyone.

    Awesome post mate, really made my day. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    having watched the IM game for over 15 years, i see something a little different than an absolute refusal or complete un-willingness to work.

    i think people have become so jaded and they know that the "results not typical" disclaimer means that most of these programs and such dont work for a high percentage of people.

    i agree that there are a lot of lazy people out there, but i think for most, the un-willingness to work has a lot to do with how much confidence they have their work will actually pay off.

    over the years, i have watched things go from real world advice to more and more hyped up products promising the world. but as someone who has bought many if not most of the IM products on the market, their has been relatively little changed in the actual content.

    basically i am saying the IM tactics are almost exactly the same as they were many years ago but they are now being sold as "instant cash" systems rather than "how to systems".

    i know some things have changed like facebook and such, but for those of you who have been around 10+ years, you realize that most of the things that worked then, work now. and that even for facebook, most of the "fad" tricks dont work as well as tried and true marketing tactics work when applied to the facebook format.

    i guess my point is that i dont just see it as people being un-willing to work. i see it as people not really believing their work will pay off. which i understand is more their problem than anyone elses, but lets not act like IMers in general have not over promised and under delivered.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Tim:

      Thanks for the great post. There's a real hidden gem to what you're saying.

      It's not that Internet Marketing takes work (yes, that is a gem for all those wanting to get started making money without working much).

      The hidden gem I'm talking about is this:

      Many (most?) people in this day and age want instant gratification without personal commitment of effort.

      Think about that as you contemplate the products and services you offer in your niche.

      - What tasks can you (or your team) perform that others don't want to do (but will be happy to pay someone else to get them accomplished)?

      - What "done for you" ideas can you come up with as the essence of a new income stream for your current business?

      - Can you condense your ebook, or you articles, or your web site down to the bare essentials so as not to lose your prospects?

      I believe that if you embrace the fact that many people want to avoid work, you can find ideas, strategies, business models, and monetization techniques that will be highly profitable in today's Internet environment.

      Good luck,

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    • Profile picture of the author AnneE
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      having watched the IM game for over 15 years, i see something a little different than an absolute refusal or complete un-willingness to work.

      i think people have become so jaded and they know that the "results not typical" disclaimer means that most of these programs and such dont work for a high percentage of people.

      i agree that there are a lot of lazy people out there, but i think for most, the un-willingness to work has a lot to do with how much confidence they have their work will actually pay off.
      ....
      While the initial thread definitely hit the mark, this is an important addition too. I am currently in a course and approaching my 30-day refund request deadline and I have to decide whether to stick with it or ask for my money back. The course was about $1000 -- a lot of money to me. And my concern with sticking with it it twofold.

      1) It is taking a fair amount of time (this isn't a desire for laziness on my part, but a concern that I'm spreading myself too thin and not focused enough on any area to succeed)

      2) Will I actually earn my money back? I had thought from the course description that by the time I got to the 30 day mark I would know this and I don't.

      I do like your mom's quote and sign. I will have to write that down and put it on my own wall. The other quote I heard recently (I know it's not new) that I keep thinking of is:

      The mountain is not going to come down to you. You have to CLIMB (put forth effort) to get to the top of the mountain.
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    It's kinda sorta obvious if you remove the emotional reactions that anything worth gaining...will always take time and effort.

    But people will always search for that silver bullet of zero work and then complain when riches fail to shower upon them.

    Smart people know:



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  • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
    I'm right in the middle of reading Ryan Blair's book, Nothing to Lose, Everything to Gain. Ryan's a serial entrepreneur and a multi-millionaire. He calls this phenomenon the myth of effortless prosperity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
    This mindset would work not only online; but in the rest of our lives as well. Whether it be a day job or a relationship with your family/loved ones, everything takes a bit of work. Of course this will fall on a lot of deaf ears; but it is inspirational to those of us who know what you are getting at. Great post!
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  • Profile picture of the author centextkt
    Loved the "wantapreneur" line...

    It's funny, but everything that I have in this life - outside of IM - I got because I worked hard to position myself to a point where I was able to achieve success.

    One of the problems for us that do this part-time while we are figuring out how to do this right is that we tend to spend an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out the "shortcut" that will make it work into something so that we can quit our J-O-B. What we need to do is find a model, put the time that we spend looking for the "magic bullet" and apply that to that one model until we get it right.

    But most of us won't.

    We would do well to listen to what Thomas Edison said:

    "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. "

    Yes, Tim, it sucks that you didn't have more takers of your offer. But look at it this way -- they weren't the people that would have been good students anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author JEasy
    Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

    Hey there -

    I'm writing this at 9:25pm on Wednesday night, November 16th 2011 and I'm a little bummed.

    See about an hour ago I got off a webinar I presented for James Jones where I talked about affiliate marketing.

    Specifically, I showed them just a few ways I've made close to $200,000 as an affiliate in 2011.

    The comments from the webinar were amazing and inspiring:

    "Great webinar with tons of content Tim"

    "Talk about over delivery"


    "Thanks for finally giving me an Ah Ha moment"


    The sales of the affiliate marketing training I offered however sucked.

    One of my worst performing webinars ever when it came to sales.

    So I went in search of answers as to how people could be so happy with the content yet only a few wanted to actually learn how to do it.

    One of the main answers I got back was this ... "it sounds good but it seems like a lot of work."

    That's when I thought about this sign that hangs in my mom’s shop:



    Here is what I want to tell you: everything in life worth having takes work.

    That's right - I said a dirty four letter word ... the secret sauce of internet marketers everywhere ... this stuff takes work.

    Not a lot of it mind you.

    I bet I honestly work less than 20 hours a week and I’m able to make six figures a year.

    But I do work.

    No, I don't break big rocks into little rocks nor do I punch a clock or draw a salary (although I did for 12 years and there is nothing wrong with that).

    I love what I do and wouldn't change it for the world - but still at its most basic level ... it takes work.

    The sooner you understand that - the better off you'll be.

    Sure marketers will do their best to convince you there is a shortcut, an easy button, a loophole, or some other bull**** product but the reality is while there are millions of things out there that can reduce the learning curve you still have to do some work to get there.

    I also understand this …

    For some of you this is just a hobby.

    A way to spend a little time, to learn some cool stuff, to have an emergency "break in case of job loss" backup plan.

    That's cool. I get it.

    Hell I sat on the sidelines for years before ever getting off my ass. In fact, if I didn't hate my job so much and the people I worked with I might have never gotten serious and gotten started.

    But I did.

    And it took work to get from there to where I am today.

    It took time, energy, and money to get to where I am today and I don't regret a single second of it.

    You see because I put in the work, I got the rewards.

    Not at first though.

    It took time.

    Time for me to go from $100 a month to a few thousand, and eventually $10,000 and beyond.

    So let’s be really honest for a second.

    If you’re serious about being an entrepreneur and not just a wantapreneur, then stop looking for the easy button and start looking for a solid business model to follow.

    Yes you can buy shortcuts and things that speed up your business - but you'll never be able to eliminate that dirty four letter word - work.

    Find people who are doing what you want to do and model them. Buy some consulting time, buy a few products, reverse engineer products and promotions.

    Look at everything they do on two levels:

    1. What they are sending out, selling, etc
    2. Why are they doing it

    Sounds like a little bit of work doesn’t it?

    Now you’re getting the hang of this.

    If you honestly want to get from where you are to where you want to be there is good news.

    There is plenty of opportunity out there and if you provide value to others you can change your life and theirs.

    But there is only one thing that is going to get you there … and it’s dressed up in overalls and it looks like work.

    Tim
    You make $200K a year and you're upset because folks didn't get into this particular webinar?? How much were you you charging? Do you think that the people who attended have as much disposable income as you? Are you taking folks by the hand and truly interested in them making money, or are you pitching yet another product that many of us who want to be just as successful as yourself have bought into time and time again?

    I don't know you, so please don't think I'm bashing you and I am glad to always here when people are successful, but what is your commitment to the people you presented to?

    As a guy trying to figure this stuff out, I just don't have your experience nor the money to spend on everything presented. I wasn't at the webinar, but I take a bit of offense at your characterization of folks being lazy or whatever simply because they didn't buy your product.

    Dude you make 200K!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kelly Verge
      Originally Posted by JEasy View Post

      You make $200K a year and you're upset because folks didn't get into this particular webinar?? How much were you you charging? Do you think that the people who attended have as much disposable income as you? Are you taking folks by the hand and truly interested in them making money, or are you pitching yet another product that many of us who want to be just as successful as yourself have bought into time and time again?

      I don't know you, so please don't think I'm bashing you and I am glad to always here when people are successful, but what is your commitment to the people you presented to?

      As a guy trying to figure this stuff out, I just don't have your experience nor the money to spend on everything presented. I wasn't at the webinar, but I take a bit of offense at your characterization of folks being lazy or whatever simply because they didn't buy your product.

      Dude you make 200K!
      Tim isn't upset that people didn'y buy. He was curious as to why, so he asked them.

      His rant is that their reason was that it looked too hard.

      He didn't assume they are lazy. They told him it looked like too much work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
      Originally Posted by JEasy View Post

      You make $200K a year and you're upset because folks didn't get into this particular webinar?? How much were you you charging? Do you think that the people who attended have as much disposable income as you? Are you taking folks by the hand and truly interested in them making money, or are you pitching yet another product that many of us who want to be just as successful as yourself have bought into time and time again?

      I don't know you, so please don't think I'm bashing you and I am glad to always here when people are successful, but what is your commitment to the people you presented to?

      As a guy trying to figure this stuff out, I just don't have your experience nor the money to spend on everything presented. I wasn't at the webinar, but I take a bit of offense at your characterization of folks being lazy or whatever simply because they didn't buy your product.

      Dude you make 200K!
      You may have heard a wooshing sound while writing this. Worry not, it was just the point of that post going over your head lol :p. He was not really complaining that he didn't make enough money off of the webinar. His problem was that people seemed interested in his methods and acted like they genuinely cared enough to want to implement them. They then turned around and said it was too much work. This is what baffles him. He merely used his 200k income as an aid to show what these people could have if they put the work in that he did.
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      • Profile picture of the author JEasy
        Originally Posted by Joe128139 View Post

        You may have heard a wooshing sound while writing this. Worry not, it was just the point of that post going over your head lol :p. He was not really complaining that he didn't make enough money off of the webinar. His problem was that people seemed interested in his methods and acted like they genuinely cared enough to want to implement them. They then turned around and said it was too much work. This is what baffles him. He merely used his 200k income as an aid to show what these people could have if they put the work in that he did.
        Them saying it's too much work is valuable feedback that speaks to maybe those people not being confident in implementing the methods presented. Some of the posts that followed implied that folks are looking for an easy button. But hey man you guys rock.

        Woosh!
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    Thank you tim...putting my overalls back on...dang it
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  • Profile picture of the author mskerry
    Great post I agree some people out their just want it easy
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    Yep. I totally agree. I mentored many people who spent good money for my time and in the end none followed through on it. I was really bummed. Yes, I liked the money but I knew what I was telling them worked. They just did not have the drive to follow through .. sad!
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    • @Tim You hit the Nail on the Head with this one. Anything thats worth anything in this life takes work.

      Find a way to make money + try and minimize time spend without effecting results = less work,more money

      People think IM is the way to rich quick but really its just any other job , gotta work to get results. No surprise 90% of people going into IM quit pretty quick
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  • Profile picture of the author mrjosco
    Great post and great inspiration to remind myself :Why am I doing this?

    One of the reasons I am devoting my limited time and resources at this IM thing is because I KNEW it took hard work - and figured I can outsmart and/or outwork those who think there is an easy button.

    Of course, that is easy to remember when you first start. Objectively I think I have been doing pretty good, but I am still a long way from meeting my primary goal.

    The problem is that this is a lot of work! I find my self fighting to stay on task. Sometimes I pretend to work by checking my website rank and stats every 2 hours. I even spend 2x as much time on this forum as I should. That lets me say I am working without actually working.

    The difficult part is pushing through the beginning. I guess if I want to have a chance to make it I just need to push part this tough spot. Work harder and more focused than the others who get weeded out at this point.

    Sorry that you didn't get the sales you were hoping for, but thanks for turning that into a quality post for us.
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  • Profile picture of the author bmcgoff
    Thanks for the inspiration! One thing that's tough for me is trying to KEEP going, not getting going. Getting to a few hundred dollars a month was really tough. It took way more time and money than I thought it would. In fact, after outsourcing bills, my actual earnings aren't anywhere near where they need to be yet.

    So, it's hard to convince yourself to keep doing the same thing everyday when you're not seeing the results people have led you to expect. After all, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over without getting different results.

    But as everyone here knows, it takes a long time. That's the tradeoff for passive income, I guess. And it's worth it! For all of those people who are "in the middle" (i.e., not total noobs, making some money but moving slowly), I feel your pain. Keep going!
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  • Profile picture of the author drmfitz
    If hard work was the only item necessary for making a "fortune" then many would have been rich a long time ago. work is relative, everyone works, in one form or another. if money were important to everyone, they would have it. the REAL secret is learning how to communicate what you offer to others values-period. if the person who pushes a broom for a living who's highest value is his family, he is hating that broom most of the time. when he learns that with every broom push is security and welfare for his loved ones, i am sure it pushes that much easier-we found his values. money has never been a high value to me, but when i "anchored" making money to what is to me (my wife and kids) i made multiple 7 figures (offline) in a few years. keep up the good work, and i love that Thomas Edison quote and have it in my office as well. thank goodness there are those who settle for less, as those of us willing to pay the price ensure we can achieve much. Dr. Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    Tim, you hit the nail on the head when you explained the difference between entrepreneurs and wantapreneurs. There are people who want to do it but are not willing to put in the work.
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    • Profile picture of the author viffer211
      If it's a pitch to someone's newbie list then any mention or hint that there's a decent amount of work involved is a serious conversion killer. You're targeting people who are either in full time work and want to get online to quit their job, or people who are retired or short of money and don't want to work hard and need some quick cash.

      That's the market, and they want to buy a dream, so those who sell these poor saps the dream the hardest will make the most money. It's a sad market to sell to and that's why in any live seminar or convention, all the morons who buy the latest 'no work, 5 click online wealth' system are derided and laughed at as the total gullible idiots that they really are.

      The pricing of a product will more than likely determine what sort of customers you want. If you're charging the typical $47 - $97 range then you're targeting the newbs who want to buy a dream - if you charge more then you can target the more serious marketers who are aware of the need to work and test things out and follow through.

      Maybe approach other list owners who have subscribers more geared towards higher end products and who are already aware of what good products are and what bad products are. Then greatly increase your asking price. I bet you'd get a better response and make much more money in the process. The newbie market is really only worthy of the usual 'push button money' systems on clickbank.

      Would be interesting to hear if you decide to charge more for it and target a more mature base. Let us know?
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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaT
    This has been something that bothered me for a while with my friends and family. They see me sit at my computer from time to time and then cashing ClickBank checks and getting PayPal payments. They always ask if I can help them get into it. I start explaining the basics behind it and it always goes the same...

    "Whoa, whoa, whoa. That sounds like a lot of time and work! Why would I do that?"

    I just kind of sigh because they obviously don't get it. I put in a lot of time and work. It is a labor of love for me though, so they don't see it. They just see me happily clicking away.

    I put as much time and energy into my websites as possible. I do earn my money by working. I just don't go to an office, I pick my own hours, and I have the ability to take a day off if I want without having to clear it with anyone. In fact, I probably put in MORE hours than they do with their jobs right now, not less.
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  • Profile picture of the author keepgoin
    AMAZING post, and so right - work is essential in this business!

    Just s shame that if you go to the WSO forum right now, at whatever moment you are reading this, and you'll find so many WSO's with over-inflated claims...!

    I've learnt more reading through the free stuff here in the last 3 months, than anything in a paid-for system or ebook! Hey, I'm even thinking of joining the War Room ;-))

    Keep goin,

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    • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
      Originally Posted by keepgoin View Post

      AMAZING post, and so right - work is essential in this business!

      Just s shame that if you go to the WSO forum right now, at whatever moment you are reading this, and you'll find so many WSO's with over-inflated claims...!

      I've learnt more reading through the free stuff here in the last 3 months, than anything in a paid-for system or ebook! Hey, I'm even thinking of joining the War Room ;-))

      Keep goin,

      Andy
      Andy there is a lot of great free training available but if you want to take it to the next level invest in yourself and your business.

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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        Sadly, this is not just the mindset in internet marketing circles. It's the prevailing mindset all over.

        When I was working for someone else a few years back, the grocery store near me started offering double coupons. As a veteran couponer, I was extremely excited by this and the girls I worked with laughed as I kind of danced a jig around the breakroom.

        Over the next few weeks, I began bragging a bit and showing them my receipts showing my savings - quite often the receipt would be longer than I am tall. The girls began to take me seriously and everyone wanted me to teach them how to save money like I did.

        Without fail, every single one of them said that it "was too much work" when I showed them my system - even though I was saving approximately $50 per hour spent.

        Every single one of these same ladies had no problem asking me if I would give them coupons to help them save, though.

        I was an extreme couponer for many years, long before the reality show came about, and in all that time only ONE person that asked me to teach them ever did the work needed to do the same thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    Great Post!!!

    While I am sorry to hear your sales were not as expected, the message rings clear, there is nothing more rewarding than doing the work. While few will ever succeed, it's no surprise why so many fail.

    They hear the word; "Work" and breakout into an allergic reaction. Not me. I have been banging away for nearly 8 months, some 20 hour days, some less than productive, and I still haven't even started letting the focus of money obscure the bigger picture.

    The 'emphasis' that so many place on the money without 'rationalizing' the work it takes to develop a business and automate it... and to be able to earn 6-figures working only 20 hours per week, are seriously disillusioned by all the hype.

    I's bet my last 'silver dollar' that the OP spent many long hours, and perhaps a few sleepless nights long before seeing that first $100 month. In any and or all probability, another several hours getting to the $1,000 per month level.

    Yet, many foolishly believe they will enter this arena like some "Ninja Bull Fighter" armed with a red super-hero cape and master the art of IM over-night?

    Not me.

    I'm still trying to 'crack' that first $1,000 month. However, more importantly... I am not nearly as concerned for achieving that goal, as I am willing to look at the long-term rewards, the time I have invested, the money invested, the REALITY that when I do release my first product... it needs to be right.

    By right, I mean beneficial to others. Provide value to others first and foremost, even if at your expense if need be. As Napoleon Hill stated; "Always give more then that which you are being paid."

    Frustration is my middle name right now, but none-the-less, I am still compiling (working) and assembling the pieces in a manner befitting to inspire, encourage, and equip others with far more value then I seek in reward.

    This is a formula I applied offline, and was employing in my small business for nearly 20 years. Therefore, I understand the OP's frustration. There is nothing worse then being 2nd rated by "hyped-up" bullsh!t... and those who prey on the unsuspecting, as opposed to keeping it 'real' as the 'sign' implies!

    When you look at this business, think of it like this... if you pursue the path that promises riches and seldom delivers, you might luck into a cash windfall. But, in doing so, you are NOT helping anyone less yourself, and in this mindset you are NOT successful at all, you're simply leading the sheep to the slaughter.

    Hence, you're NOT helping others, and you complicate the process for honest business owners like the OP. That's the reality here.

    Stop cutting corners, do the work, maintain integrity, respect this as a business, and by doing so you'll be there quicker than you think. Heck, 7 months ago, I didn't know what a web-editor was?

    Today reading posts like this prepares me for future trials and errors in dealing with the horsesh!t that is slowly costing honest business opportunities to suffer, while the public feasts on cheap cons and promises of instant riches.

    It's a shame. It's also proven to be why less than 10% will ever earn an income online.

    If it were up to me, I'd say the device in which you are reading this from is a "TOOL" and is a vehicle capable of taking you anywhere you want to go in life... if you treat it with the respect and knowledge it deserves.

    Yet, people think IM is some video game that can be beat in a week... searching for some mysterious cheat code that guarantees you'll avoid doing work. :confused:

    Stop playing games, start working with the tools you have been privileged, and despite the temptation avoid taking shortcuts at all costs.

    Leveraging your time, efforts, and money is doable through outsourcing, but not until one learns the tools of the trade... respectively, of course.

    All the Best,

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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Tew
    Hello,

    The quick-fix mentality is certainly spreading like a virus. Although I must admit I also love the tech bandwagon full of iphones, ipads and super cool white boards that make our jobs much easier. However, I learned a lesson in the martial arts early on in life and it has stuck with me this whole time:

    If you want the have free time in the end - then you will have to sacrifice it in the beginning. Simply, put - work hard so you can play hard.

    I have that lifestyle now, but I know it wasn't built on a strategy of "learn to be a reiki master in a weekend" or "how to give up your secure job so you can learn to be a life coach in less than a year."

    It doesn't mean you can't learn good strategies to work smarter and put the real philosophy of tactics like the 4-hour Workweek to use. Anyone who knows the strategy of business will know it's not about 4 Hours in the beginning. It's a END goal.

    I remember going through the Internet Marketing Training program of finding a NICHE market. Most programs are sold to people as a make money EASY online strategy. I've been in the online business on some level for 20 years and I still don't think it's EASY. Just searching for a niche and running it through all the tests can drive a normal person crazy.

    Yes, being online is EASIER on many levels and yes you can reach a larger audience, but it still takes WORK and very often - a lot of work.

    But, if you target your work and don't call moving things around work - you will reach your goals.

    I have a hard time reading posts these days because it can be challenging to tell if a person is being sincere or using this angle to really promote themselves or their products.

    Even this post confused me. I can't tell if this is another attempt to attract more leads and express how much money they make or is it just a genuine post about work. It has certainly inspired a lot of response and maybe that is why there are so many people looking for the quick-fix. Too much advertising out there about how easy it is. We are part of the problem too.

    I often wonder if a person that sells a niche ebook for $50,000 can repeat that strategy or do they have to try to sell their success of how they made $50,000 to make any more money. I know I met a few of these people in the motivational speaking industry. The types that make a lot of money, teaching other people how to make a lot of money - but they didn't make any money until they started selling that dream Before that they sold hot dogs.

    Guess we are all a part of that reality on some level and I too sell the dream though I back up my conscience with sweat and hard work so I know I am truly earning my way. So, thank you for the post to help me keep my eyes open, see what is out there and continue to learn and grow.

    WHY is this such a HOT TOPIC?
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  • Profile picture of the author Osman_M
    Its the mindset I think the internet portrays. You can access it from home, suffer the entire world from one location, send an email half across the planet, connect with some with literally no effort but a keyboard and a mouse.

    Its sad to say but our generation is becoming lazy day by day and year by year as technoblogy advances. Sure there are advantages of technology and internet or else we all won't be here on this board but the fact of the matter is there are also drawbacks just like anything else.

    Some of my friends ask me how is it even possible for you to make money from the internet? And I ask them in return how is it even possible for you to make money from a job? There answer: well you go to work every morning...my answer I go to work as well.

    The only place where success comes before work is in the dictionary.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
      Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

      Sadly, this is not just the mindset in internet marketing circles. It's the prevailing mindset all over.

      When I was working for someone else a few years back, the grocery store near me started offering double coupons. As a veteran couponer, I was extremely excited by this and the girls I worked with laughed as I kind of danced a jig around the breakroom.

      Over the next few weeks, I began bragging a bit and showing them my receipts showing my savings - quite often the receipt would be longer than I am tall. The girls began to take me seriously and everyone wanted me to teach them how to save money like I did.

      Without fail, every single one of them said that it "was too much work" when I showed them my system - even though I was saving approximately $50 per hour spent.

      Every single one of these same ladies had no problem asking me if I would give them coupons to help them save, though.

      I was an extreme couponer for many years, long before the reality show came about, and in all that time only ONE person that asked me to teach them ever did the work needed to do the same thing.
      Write an ebook on your couponing system and I'll be the second one to implement it. I'll even pay. That's the one thing I regret not asking my mom to teach me. That woman was a machine with coupons; with 7 kids she had to be.

      Originally Posted by Osman_M View Post

      Its the mindset I think the internet portrays. You can access it from home, suffer the entire world from one location, send an email half across the planet, connect with some with literally no effort but a keyboard and a mouse.

      Its sad to say but our generation is becoming lazy day by day and year by year as technoblogy advances. Sure there are advantages of technology and internet or else we all won't be here on this board but the fact of the matter is there are also drawbacks just like anything else.

      Some of my friends ask me how is it even possible for you to make money from the internet? And I ask them in return how is it even possible for you to make money from a job? There answer: well you go to work every morning...my answer I go to work as well.

      The only place where success comes before work is in the dictionary.
      You are entirely right, I am very concerned about the state of the world these days. I was reading a book predicting the crumbling of America. Mostly politicized dribble but a fun read nonetheless. The one good analogy the author made though went something like this:

      If you brought a man in a time machine from his house in 1899 to the same house in 1950 he would be amazed by all of the inventions/accomplishments that have occurred. If you then took that man to the house in 2011 he would see the same basic installations, an ipod/laptop and that's about it.

      Somewhere along the way creativity and that ability to put elbow grease into things has been lost. It appears here on the internet more than any other place in my opinion.
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      • Profile picture of the author RussRuffino
        Originally Posted by Joe128139 View Post

        If you brought a man in a time machine from his house in 1899 to the same house in 1950 he would be amazed by all of the inventions/accomplishments that have occurred. If you then took that man to the house in 2011 he would see the same basic installations, an ipod/laptop and that's about it.

        Somewhere along the way creativity and that ability to put elbow grease into things has been lost. It appears here on the internet more than any other place in my opinion.
        This is the dumbest thing I've ever read on here.

        The time traveler is making the same mistake as the Occupy Wall Street people: looking for advancement in the physical world. The future has been VIRTUALIZED. Virtual jobs, virtual incomes, virtual stores, virtual lives.

        This new economy is invisible, unless you know where to look for it, just like the technology supporting it is invisible unless you know where to look for it. But make no mistake: this "invisible" world IS the future. The American Dream isn't dead. It just moved online, and that's where it's going to stay for the next 100 years or more.

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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Hi Tim:

    Break it down and make it simple for them so they can see. Like they need to understand that less work means less money. Still, it is possible to spend only 10 hours a week and make some money. However, most people do not understand the aff game.

    Getting to the top requires an excess of energy. Sadly, many people are tired after putting in long hours at the office and cannot bring themselves to do more. I have noticed some similarities among people who are a success. Like they tend to have a lot more energy.
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  • Profile picture of the author vtotheyouknow
    Ah Tim, I hear thee.

    Work is inevitable. Sometimes it sucks, sometimes it's exciting.

    Sounds like you lost sales by presenting things in an objective light. (i.e. NOT "no work involved! Turn-key, one-click!!")

    But it's all good. The people who want it bad enough will succeed and those who don't won't. It's sad and painful because god, we all want to see people have better, more interesting lives, with more freedom of time, place and finances but the Comfort Zone is scary powerful.

    I'd even go so far as to say that your success is directly proportional to your tolerance for discomfort. The sad irony is that nothing is more miserable than a "comfortable" existence...just speaking for myself here but I know a lot of Warriors can feel me on that one...
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  • Profile picture of the author paulpower
    What an inspiring post, and what a reality check it is in these financially challenged times. Sadly, most people do not want to work a second job as they see it, as they have better things to do with their time, such as maybe watch the tv, or watch paint dry.

    The reality in internet marketing as in life is that anything worthwhile takes effort, and the more you put in, eventually the more you get out of your endeavour. I think people today are looking for too many quick fixes, and cannot see beyond their limited thinking, we all had these limited thoughts, but those of us that have taken the action, will always be more successful as we know we have to make it happen, instead waiting for it to happen.

    I just wish I had listened to my dear old granddad when he told me that hard and smart work are the way to be successful, that way I would have been financially free in my 20's instead of working away in my 40's, still we live and learn, and with God's good grace, and my beautiful 5 year old daughter, I now see the value of that advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    You see... what we have here is one of them there
    communication problems.

    Tim told them what they needed to know... NOT
    what they wanted to know.

    He told 'em it takes work... they wanted to hear it's
    easy.

    <sigh>

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  • Profile picture of the author ibacklinkpro
    That is my new favorite saying (just added it as my GTalk Status.) However, I am really convinced that there are some born to lead and others who are born to follow. The followers want easy money and are not willing to sacrifice their tv shows, video games and sleep to spend the required time and effort that is needed to make it in IM. While leaders are willing to do whatever it takes for as long as it it takes until they succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.

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  • Profile picture of the author MissJulie
    What…no easy button?

    Everything requires “WORK” if you want success!

    There…I said it because most people are searching for the “magic button”. Guess what there isn’t one!

    Let me ask you a question, “Why do you think the percentage of wealthy people in the world is so small?”

    Like 3%, out of 7 Billion people! That’s right because it takes commitment, persistence, passion, and believing in your ideas!

    Don’t forget every successful person has had failures! If it was that easy, I’m sure the percentage would be a lot higher.

    Don’t let it deter you, but inspire you to do whatever you were meant to do!

    I always think of Thomas Edison. Guess how many times he failed before successfully inventing the incandescent light bulb?
    …10,000 times!

    What…it can’t be that many! Maybe we could believe 10, 100, or even 1000 times, but I know when I think of the actual number…it always blows my mind!!

    Can you imagine where any of us would be if he decided to give up? Hmmmm, things would be a lot different.

    If you focus, don’t stop, and have faith you will succeed, but I ask another question….

    How bad do you want it?

    The percentages speak loudly. Most people give up before they arrive.

    Why? Just one word, “FEAR”!

    I can speak from experience…it’s very powerful.

    Should I or shouldn’t I? The shoulda, coulda, woulda scenario only leads one into regret.

    My favorite author, after only one other said,

    “Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.Dream. Discover”
    – MARK TWAIN

    I passed this and read it everyday on the bulletin board in college. I remember exactly where it was…just a small paper on the left, not a big, bold banner for all to see. I was guided toward it, and allowed me to do some international traveling which was life changing!

    I’ve got some good stories to tell…but that’s another day!

    So I urge you to take a look at yourself first and decide where you want to be. It’s up to you. Only you can make the decision. There is no right or wrong, only what is best for you.

    Take a look because it is happening daily, any person, with any skill can succeed.

    Until tomorrow…enjoy and sleep on it!

    Drop me a line! missjuliekilmer@gmail.com

    Peace and Success,

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  • Profile picture of the author WD Mino
    Hey Tim,

    First, thanks for sharing that, it is nice to know everyone has their moments of struggle.

    Personally I find if you put out products that are detailed training but are upfront with people it takes effort, you lose em. LOL.
    The things that people look for are that elusive dream that only becomes reality once roadblocks are removed, focus and determination are applied and you slowly but surely climb the mountain, granted some have had the fortune on being able to launch into success but for the most part the ones who are at the top know what it takes and the ones on the way up have the same understanding you have to be willing to fail as much as you are to succeed.

    The only factor that separates anyone from success is determination so if you can have a plan tweak it as needed and focus on your stuff then slowly barriers get broken and financial landmarks take place first the initial thousand then 5 thousand 10 onwards. that stuff can never happen if you don't try and refuse to give up. I have had more failures then I can count but I learn from each thing which makes me that much more wiser and empowers that much more to continue. People I understand want things NOW but it takes a long time to get it.
    You have brightened my day man !
    cheers
    -WD
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