50 Manual article submit or 1200 robot

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Hi,

I can hire someone to submit my article manually to 50 article directories and ping them for the same price someone else will submit them using a robot to 1200 article directories without any pinging.

What is better for backlink purposes and click through/traffic purposes?

Thanks,

Augie
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Augie Johnston View Post

    What is better for backlink purposes and click through/traffic purposes?
    For traffic, it makes no difference at all.

    For backlinks, it makes almost no difference.

    Typically, out of 1,200 automated submissions, only something between 100 and 150 will actually be published and indexed anyway, and all those backlinks are non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlinks, otherwise known as "the lowest of the low" in SEO terms. If you have 100,000 of those backlinks (as some people really do - and that's normally a pretty sure sign that you can beat their rankings easily, with quite small quantities of relevant SEO, because they just don't know what they're doing at all in the SEO department!), you'll still have to add $3.50 cash to it, to get yourself a cappuccino at Starbucks. They're just not worth having.

    There's no point in trying to use article directories for their own backlinks: that's not what they're there for, and it isn't a purpose they can fulfil to any great benefit for you.

    I think this post may be very helpful to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Webkingseo
    There is not a big difference in both..... actually if you submit those manual 50 on the directories(PR of 1-2}... then it will helpful to you a very little bit... or you submit your spun content on 1200 directories on low PR sites... then it will have the same effect as manually you done.... So both doesn't have too much benefit.......
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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      Originally Posted by Webkingseo View Post

      There is not a big difference in both..... actually if you submit those manual 50 on the directories(PR of 1-2}... then it will helpful to you a very little bit... or you submit your spun content on 1200 directories on low PR sites... then it will have the same effect as manually you done.... So both doesn't have too much benefit.......
      This is not correct. Websites don't have Page Rank - PAGES have Page Rank. Whatever directory you submit an article to, it will be published on a page without any page rank at all. Subsequently, after (if ever) it gets indexed by Google, it will given a PR-0 (zero) page rank.

      EDIT: Sorry, Alexa - I think we were both responding at the same time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Augie Johnston
    Thank you both very much. Alexa, I have been reading alot of your posts lately and was wondering if you were going to respond to this becuase I know you are big in articles and writing, and I kind of knew the answer you were going to say, but I wanted to ask becuase I thought I could get some click throughs becuase you said you get 25% CTR usually.

    Where I am confused is that in almost every traffic generation guide i've read the always talk about writing articles for traffic. And yes, I know when writing articles you are going for syndication not CTR, but I am working in the Hip Hop niche and I dont know how many people are syndicating that kind of stuff from EZA and GoArticles. So maybe article marketing is a bad idea for me?

    Augie
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Webkingseo View Post

      if you submit those manual 50 on the directories(PR of 1-2}... then it will helpful to you a very little bit
      Do you ever read the reponses to your own posts, Webkingseo? :confused:

      Every time you say this, people are explaining to you why it isn't so at all, because directories are websites, and websites don't have "page rank" - only pages have page rank ... and whatever the page rank of the article directory's own home page, your articles in it will go on their own newly-formed PR-0 pages, just as they would on your website, or my website, or anyone's website. However, the point is that the sites of which those pages - bearing your backlinks - are part, are non-context-relevant to your specific niche, so that makes the directory's own home-page page-rank rather "academic".

      And in any case, the lower the page ranks of your article directory copies, the less risk there is of your customers finding those in preference to the copies originally published and indexed on your own site, where you want the traffic. So submitting to higher-PR pages in directories would actually be pretty counter-productive, wouldn't it, even if you could do it (which you can't anyway!)?

      But you seem somehow to ignore all of this, and just keep giving people the same mistaken and inaccurate advice, over and over again, in threads about article marketing ... :confused:

      Originally Posted by Augie Johnston View Post

      I wanted to ask becuase I thought I could get some click throughs becuase you said you get 25% CTR usually.
      Actually I usually give 25% just as an example, just because it's a convenient, round number which I always guess is typical of the people reading my posts! The point of the CTR number, however, is its reciprocal.

      If you have a 25% CTR, then your're losing 75% of your traffic.

      If you have a 10% CTR, then you're losing 90% of your traffic.

      And so on.

      Trying to attract customers from article directories is a really fundamental misunderstanding about article marketing.

      And it's why, when you look at all the "highest traffic" entries in article directories, the articles are almost invariably not very well-written, certainly not widely published, and actually not earning their authors much money. Typically, these are authors with a "high quantity approach" - they have huge numbers of articles, but certainly not huge incomes. In article marketing, a "quantitative approach" is usually about as successful as the same approach is in the field of SEO, i.e. not much use at all! These are not people whose understanding of "article marketing" is a valuable one for us.

      Originally Posted by Augie Johnston View Post

      in almost every traffic generation guide i've read the always talk about writing articles for traffic.
      They do indeed.

      Well, I'm "writing articles for traffic". That's what article marketing is: it's getting well-written content in front of highly targeted traffic.

      But not in article directories! Those are there for potential publisher traffic, not for potential customer traffic. No serious article marketer wants their customers going to an article directory.

      Unfortunately, many people have found it easier to make money selling "article marketing guidebooks" than they ever did by doing article marketing, and when you read their "guidebooks", it shows, because what they're actually talking about is simply attempts to use article directories for their own traffic and/or their own backlinks, which (to put it very politely indeed) is somewhat ill-advised.

      Originally Posted by Augie Johnston View Post

      I am working in the Hip Hop niche and I dont know how many people are syndicating that kind of stuff from EZA and GoArticles.
      I don't, either, I'm afraid ... it's not a niche I know anything about (and I haven't got the shoes for it, really) ...

      You can try to estimate this by searching inside those directories (well, mostly in EZA, perhaps?), finding the relevant articles, and then pasting little bits of them, ten words at a time between inverted commas, into Google to see if they've also been reproduced elsewhere, and so on?

      Originally Posted by Augie Johnston View Post

      So maybe article marketing is a bad idea for me?
      Maybe so, yes ... I just don't know, sorry. You need some advice from someone who knows something about the niche and where its "buying traffic" (as opposed to just its "traffic" ) typically comes from - and that isn't me.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSEOWizard
    50 manual submissions to quality directories if they are approved. For AMR you would need to play once more to get them indexed and then too you do not know which Panda update would kick them out completely. So, high quality directories always gets my preference. Having said that, AMR does not do a bad job at supplementary links if you use it properly.
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