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14 years ago

Originally Posted by entry

I want to know, how i can Capture my clickbank product buyers in my aweber buyers list? - without them filling an optin form -

so automatically without them knowing.

like this

my sales page --> my Order page (clickbank order page) -->My thank you page

In this process, how can I automatically add this buyer to my Aweber buyer list?

I am on about Automatically- without the buyer going through any loops, or without them giving their email in an optin form.....

What are my options ? {would i need to purchase any software/ scripts?}

That is a good way to get your account suspended due to high reports of spam. Your best bet is an opt-in. Give them a free add on offer after they've purchased if you want to get them to sign up to your list. Conversely you might be able to add them in manually, but you'll still get a high number of spam reports if these guys aren't opting in.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cru

That is a good way to get your account suspended due to high reports of spam. Your best bet is an opt-in. Give them a free add on offer after they've purchased if you want to get them to sign up to your list. Conversely you might be able to add them in manually, but you'll still get a high number of spam reports if these guys aren't opting in.

Cheers, I thought that too, but then i thought loads and loads of marketers are doing this.

Loads of marketers are adding their buyers to their aweber buyer list, from their clickbank products Right ?

{I am asking for Clickbank products...... not RAP, or $7dss}

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bwh1

14 years ago

Originally Posted by entry

Cheers, I thought that too, but then i thought loads and loads of marketers are doing this.

Loads of marketers are adding their buyers to their aweber buyer list, from their clickbank products Right ?

{I am asking for Clickbank products...... not RAP, or $7dss}

Not on autopilot as far as I know.

I would give them a unadvertised bonus offer at the thank you page for an email submit. NO NAME needed, just the email.

Can Spam rules don't let you add leads to lists without that they agree to it.

I have one freebie list where I add them without verification, but anyhow, they SUBSCRIBE to get the freebie.

G.

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linebelowdigital

14 years ago

You absolutely can add your clickbank buyers to your aweber account automatically. From your aweber account, go to my lists > email parser > clickbank orders & follow the instructions that they provide. There's nothing unethical about collecting the contact information of someone who's actually purchased something from you, it's just a buyer's list.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by bwh1

Not on autopilot as far as I know.

Can Spam rules don't let you add leads to lists without that they agree to it.
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G.

some say it is unethical? :confused:

Originally Posted by linebelowdigital

You absolutely can add your clickbank buyers to your aweber account automatically.

There's nothing unethical about collecting the contact information of someone who's actually purchased something from you, it's just a buyer's list.

Some say it is ethical?

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bwh1

14 years ago

Originally Posted by entry

some say it is unethical? :confused:

Oh I didn't say that it's unethical...

It's illegal

Last week or so I followed a WSO from a guy which let you add subscribers to your WP Blog automatically to your AWeber list without they knew it.

Ken Reno hoped into the conversation and confirmed that he almost got kicked out at AWeber due to the fact that he promoted that plugin.

Get this, he didn't USED it, he only promoted this to his list.

So I'm 100+ that all what adds leads to your AWeber list isn't what AWeber loves.

Maybe other lists systems are different, only use AWeber.

G.

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Sid Hale

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bwh1

Not on autopilot as far as I know.

That "as far as I know" part will get you every time.

Can Spam rules don't let you add leads to lists without that they agree to it.

Not true.

According to CAN-SPAM, NO opt-in is required to contact anyone with whom you have a legitimate business relationship (a sales transaction is such a relationship - they are a customer).

Originally Posted by bwh1

Oh I didn't say that it's unethical...

It's illegal

Again... not true.

It is neither illegal, nor unethical to contact someone who has just purchased a product from you. Aweber doesn't like it, but they don't write the law, nor do they establish what is ethical.

Ken Reno hoped into the conversation and confirmed that he almost got kicked out at AWeber due to the fact that he promoted that plugin.

They can certainly write policy with regard to their own service, but that's about it.

I'm on several of Ken Reno's lists (non-aWeber), and receive multiple emails from him every day of the week. I was automatically opted into those lists. That's not intended to reflect negatively on Ken, in any way. I'm free to opt-out at any time.

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All of that said, if you want to do auto opt-in, it is important to understand the context of the process within which you want that to happen.

For instance, a merchant can legally and ethically use auto opt-in to include buyers of his/her product. An affiliate (who simply recommends the product) is not so free to use auto opt-in, and would have a tougher time justifying it - both legally and ethically.

Even for the merchant, it is also advisable (until the customer gets used to receiving mail from you) to make the first couple of messages in the auto-responder series very beneficial to the customer (i.e. 1) their download link, 2) a follow-up to make sure they received the download, installed OK, found the product useful, or to send a link to your support desk for their potential future use). Just that is normally enough to cement the relationship, and as long as you don't abuse the privilege, most customers will have no problem receiving communications from you.

aWeber will frown on auto opt-in UNLESS you use their parsing feature, but as I said above... that's policy, and has nothing to do with what is legal, nor whether it is ethical.

Hope this helps,

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bwh1

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Sid Hale

All of that said, if you want to do auto opt-in, it is important to understand the context of the process within which you want that to happen.

For instance, a merchant can legally and ethically use auto opt-in to include buyers of his/her product. An affiliate (who simply recommends the product) is not so free to use auto opt-in, and would have a tougher time justifying it - both legally and ethically.

Even for the merchant, it is also advisable (until the customer gets used to receiving mail from you) to make the first couple of messages in the auto-responder series very beneficial to the customer (i.e. 1) their download link, 2) a follow-up to make sure they received the download, installed OK, found the product useful, or to send a link to your support desk for their potential future use). Just that is normally enough to cement the relationship, and as long as you don't abuse the privilege, most customers will have no problem receiving communications from you.

aWeber will frown on auto opt-in UNLESS you use their parsing feature, but as I said above... that's policy, and has nothing to do with what is legal, nor whether it is ethical.

Hope this helps,

Hey Sid

thanks for correcting me, I accept when I'm wrong.

Actually I messed up that reply with the info from another thread about adding WP Blog subscribers to a email list on autopilot, without that they know it and agree to it. Got it all wrong - my fault.

Silly is that I have a CB product where this happens, where buyers are added to a buyers list

Profit Theme does all on autopilot, so I never had actually to think about how this works.

Anyhow, after they buy they have to CONFIRM their subscription to get on the buyer list and get the access details anyhow, without confirming.

So nobody can complain that they needed to opt in to get their purchase.

That happens if you stay up and reply to threads at 2- 3 AM :p

G.

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Sid Hale 14 years ago

Absolutely no problem.

Originally Posted by bwh1

Hey Sid

thanks for correcting me, I accept when I'm wrong.

So many people get this wrong, because there has been so much mis-information published, and even when it's spelled out correctly a lot of people will mis-interpret what is said.

I just wanted to make sure that we set the record straight, and that people came away from here with decent information.
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Damielle 14 years ago

Use an op-tin form, offer a free gift or free lifetime updates for your product.

Using the form keeps the spam complaints to a minimum and your buyers happy.
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Originally Posted by linebelowdigital

You absolutely can add your clickbank buyers to your aweber account automatically. From your aweber account, go to my lists > email parser > clickbank orders & follow the instructions that they provide. There's nothing unethical about collecting the contact information of someone who's actually purchased something from you, it's just a buyer's list.

Thanks for posting this! Never knew you could do that! I'm implementing this right now.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cru

That is a good way to get your account suspended due to high reports of spam. Your best bet is an opt-in. Give them a free add on offer after they've purchased if you want to get them to sign up to your list. Conversely you might be able to add them in manually, but you'll still get a high number of spam reports if these guys aren't opting in.

Also, I heard with Product launches that you can build a Huge buyers list fast {with other affiliates promoting your product}.

So how can you get huge list of buyers to your aweber list? - as Many product launchers say this is a benefit of a launch. - if it is unethical ?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Cru

That is a good way to get your account suspended due to high reports of spam. Your best bet is an opt-in. Give them a free add on offer after they've purchased if you want to get them to sign up to your list. Conversely you might be able to add them in manually, but you'll still get a high number of spam reports if these guys aren't opting in.

I've never had this issue with Buyers...

In fact I looked the other day and was surprised to see that I had only received one total spam complaint from my buyers list and that's from over a year...

Now to answer the question of the OP...

I use DPD Shopping Cart | The Easy Way to Sell Downloads, Keycodes, and Tangible Goods to automatically add buyers from Clickbank, PayPal, and some others to Aweber and Imnica. They also integrate with GetResponse, Campaign Monitor, MailChimp and some others. Oh and DPD also secures and delivers your products

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Coby

I've never had this issue with Buyers...

In fact I looked the other day and was surprised to see that I had only received one total spam complaint from my buyers list and that's from over a year...

Now to answer the question of the OP...

I use DPD Shopping Cart | The Easy Way to Sell Downloads, Keycodes, and Tangible Goods to automatically add buyers from Clickbank, PayPal, and some others to Aweber and Imnica. They also integrate with GetResponse, Campaign Monitor, MailChimp and some others. Oh and DPD also secures and delivers your products

Cheers for clearing it up.

Can I do what I want....withtout that DPD Shopping cart service?

if so, which way do you recommend best to do it ?
-Opt in form on Download page
-Aweber Parser

and Coby, are there any disadvantages to the aweber email parser version ?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by entry

Cheers for clearing it up.

Can I do what I want....withtout that DPD Shopping cart service?

if so, which way do you recommend best to do it ?
-Opt in form on Download page
-Aweber Parser

and Coby, are there any disadvantages to the aweber email parser version ?

GetDPD actually uses a custom parser so I don't see any problem with doing it that way although I've never used "just" the parser.

I think the customer may be required to "confirm" depending on how the parser is set up. For example - if the parser is set up to send the IP along with the name/email then they won't have to confirm unless you want them to.

So - that is the only downside I can think of using the parser directly - but again - I'm not quite smart enough to handle that

However, sometimes the paypal email might not be the "best" email so it never hurts to also add an opt-in form on the download page...

When using Constant Contact I have hired a programmer to integrate this process with two of my websites (because they didn't integrate 'out of the box' like aweber).

Hope this helps

Cheers,
Coby

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entry 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Coby

However, sometimes the paypal email might not be the "best" email so it never hurts to also add an opt-in form on the download page...

Cheers.

The paypal email might not be the best, incase they have 3-4 email addresses, and the paypal one is Not the one they check often?

incase the paypal one is a rarley checked one, then they wont get my messages, as they wont check the email often?

is that why you say it might not be the best ?
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  This thread made my head hurt.
  
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Regional Warrior

14 years ago

Why is it that Marketers are was trying to GAME the system things are put in place so the buyer does not get this problem.

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dejoliet31

14 years ago

Email marketing is about "trust" and "relationship." I don't know how you can build trust ore relationship with people whose email addresses you obtained surreptitiously or in an uncomplimentary way. So whether or not it's possible is not as important as whether it will lead to a positive response from people on your list. Frankly, I wouldn't want people on my list who didn't decide they wanted to be included. Likewise, I wouldn't take lightly to being placed on an email list unknowingly.

If you use your autoresponder feature to automatically capture their info, do it via double optin for your own good. That's my unsolicited suggestion.

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shireen

14 years ago

Hi:

Shireen here :-)

The proper way to do this is opt in.

In your download page, offer a free bonus & ask your customer to opt in.

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entry 14 years ago

Originally Posted by shireen

Hi:

Shireen here :-)

The proper way to do this is opt in.

In your download page, offer a free bonus & ask your customer to opt in.

so the Parser aweber function is an illegal way/feature?:confused:
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Alex Barboza

14 years ago

There's a way to add automatically buyers into your list. they have to confirm then. It's not illegal as others have said.

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entry 14 years ago

2 diff views on this thread.

If it is Wrong to add buyers without their knowledge.....

wouldn't the Parser aweber function be an illegal way/feature ??:confused:
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Coby 14 years ago

Originally Posted by bwh1

... far as I know. (bolded for emphasis)

Can Spam rules don't let you add leads to lists without that they agree to it.

Originally Posted by bwh1

It's illegal

Stop spreading lies!

It is 100% legal to add buyers to your mailing list...

In fact - via the ICAN Spam laws you are allowed to contact any person via email, phone etc if they have bought a product from you in the last two years!

As a side note - you are referring to a plug-in that adds people automatically when they comment on a blog... This is against the TOS of many Autoresponders and IS NOT the same thing...

Please checks your facts before spouting off senseless babble!
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Sid Hale

14 years ago

Ha-ha!!!

Coby. Apparently, I think too much while typing here.

In the meantime, you got it all said... while I was trying to be so diplomatic in my response.

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John Romaine

14 years ago

I do it like this, and have never experienced any issues.

Purchase > Confirmation page to access download (optin) > Thank you page (download)

I do this with all of my sites.

No software or custom scripts needed. Not sure if this is what you're after though.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

I do it like this, and have never experienced any issues.

Purchase > Confirmation page to access download (optin) > Thank you page (download)

I do this with all of my sites.

No software or custom scripts needed. Not sure if this is what you're after though.

So you are basically doing this:

Page 1 = Sales page -> Purchase

Page 2 = They then go to a confirmation page (After they have paid) - which has an Aweber Optin
form........ so they are FORCED to optin, or they wont get their download..right?

Page 3 = Thank you download page

Is that correct?

on page 2, you just insert the code for a 'aweber Buyer list', with NO parser feature.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by entry

So you are basically doing this:

Page 1 = Sales page -> Purchase

Page 2 = Confirmation page (After they have paid) - which has an Aweber Optin
form........ so they are FORCED to optin, or they wont get their download..right?

Page 3 = Thank you download page

Is that correct?

on page 2, you just insert the code for a 'aweber Buyer list', with NO parser feature.

Thats right.

I dont use any parser feature or custom code. They just make payment, then hit my confirmation page, to which they opt into, which adds them to my list, then they are automatically redirected to the download page.

Works a treat.

No complaints in 3 years.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

Thats right.

I dont use any parser feature or custom code. They just make payment, then hit my confirmation page, to which they opt into, which adds them to my list, then they are automatically redirected to the download page.

Works a treat.

No complaints in 3 years.

is that also in the IM niche? traffic generation ?

as they are the ones who get edgy about being forced to optin...

do you do this in them niches? - your products in them too ?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by entry

is that also in the IM niche? traffic generation ?

as they are the ones who get edgy about being forced to optin...

do you do this in them niches? - your products in them too ?

I dont go anywhere NEAR the IM niche, or any of those other "dirty" marketplaces

Im a vendor. Sell my own products.

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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago

Some of the misinformation in this thread is just scary.

I can (just about) understand people being totally mistaken about this, and imagining (for some reason best known to themselves) that it's either "unethical" (:rolleyes or even "illegal" () automatically to add your buyers to a list ... but to try to "teach" this to others, so emphatically and confidently, and to continue arguing about it after it's pointed out that you're talking nonsense, really strikes me as quite bizarre. :p
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14 years ago

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Please go to the below link to get the answer of your question.

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14 years ago

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Carol_A

14 years ago

Wow, I learned a lot.

I guess I need to print this thread and study it - what an education, and all here in the regular forum!

Thanks, everyone for taking the time to help...

Have a great Thanksgiving!

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Chris Q

Banned 14 years ago

They need to opt-in first. I strongly recommend that you should not add them into your list without permission. You might get into trouble if you insist to do it. I know that buyers email addresses are considered a big advantage for every product or service seller.

Ask permission first....or just let them opt-in to your list.

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by lamposproject

They need to opt-in first. I strongly recommend that you should not add them into your list without permission. You might get into trouble if you insist to do it.

Why do so many people apparently believe this nonsense?!

They're your customers, for heavens' sake: they've already bought from you!

Originally Posted by shireen

Hi:

Shireen here :-)

The proper way to do this is opt in.

Hi Shireen-here ... sorry, but this is wrong: that way is no more "proper" than doing it automatically. It's just an inconvenience, completely unnecessary and will lose some of them who choose not to.

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Robert H Cwik

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Originally Posted by lamposproject

They need to opt-in first. I strongly recommend that you should not add them into your list without permission. You might get into trouble if you insist to do it. I know that buyers email addresses are considered a big advantage for every product or service seller.

Ask permission first....or just let them opt-in to your list.

Why do so many people apparently believe this nonsense?!

They're your customers, for heavens' sake: they've already bought from you!

Then there is this all ethical CONFIRMED OPTIN feature, right? Where you say "Thank you for your purchase! If you would like to receive product updates (or whatever) click the confirmation link below". And then you make them finally choose if they want to be on your list or not. As simple as that. NOTHING illegal, unethical, black-, gray- of whatever color you hate hat

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Sid Hale

14 years ago

Absolutely right, Robert.

Originally Posted by Robert H Cwik

Then there is this all ethical CONFIRMED OPTIN feature, right? Where you say "Thank you for your purchase! If you would like to receive product updates (or whatever) click the confirmation link below". And then you make them finally choose if they want to be on your list or not. As simple as that. NOTHING illegal, unethical, black-, gray- of whatever color you hate hat

...and if you are offering free future updates of the product, most will probably click and be added to your list at that time. After all, they're going to want future updates of the product they just purchased - much more than any "freebie" that another marketer might offer them as enticement to opt in to some other list.

However, you will still lose some who just don't bother to read (they have blinders on, and are only looking for the download link at that time).

By automatically opting in ALL buyers - without any sort of confirmation link - you will get a list of ALL of your buyers. This is still totally ethical and legal. At that point, it is their responsibility to take the initiative to opt out (if so desired), but you get at least one email to begin the process of building a strong relationship with them.