Why Do People Lie? And Why Do Other People Believe Them?

by LeeLee
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I was just reading a thread advertising a content writing service. As so many services claim, all the writers were professionals from the US. The reviews were very favorable raving about how great the articles were.

A sample was included on the site. I just read it. I clearly read something different than the owner of the service or the recent purchasers. I didn't even have to look beyond the title to know something wasn't quite right.

I tried to read the thing but honestly I could only get about half way through. Within individual sentences, tense and pronouns changed. Now admittedly, I do this all the time when chatting or posting. But this was not chatting and posting. This was an article for sale. The errors should have been caught in editting.

There were so many of these kinds of errors that the writer could not have even been aware of them. Even an average writer would not make this many errors.

One of the reasons I couldn't read the whole article was because it was ridiculous. If you are a parent and you have ever had your kid come home from school and school you on the nature of the world, you would immediately see the pompousness of the article. I can only assume they were going for an authority article. Shoot and miss.

And articles are supposed to be broken up into bites, not walls of text. Attempts to break up the text with subtitles was less effective because one time everything was capitalized and the next only a few words were capitalized.

As for flow, imagine everything you know on a particular topic. Now mash that all onto paper with no regard for logical sequence and you will have this article. If the sentences were individually written better, I would swear they were lifted and pasted together.

Finally, there were just enough awkward uses of common phrases to know without a doubt this writer's first language was not English. If being a professional writer is defined by being paid well I guess I can't argue with that claim. This kind of writing, however, is worthless at any price.

What are people thinking? Why would they rave about this? I'd like to think they were shills but I don't think they were. Will the internet ever be worth reading or is it destined to become a bunch of gobbledigook?
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Morgan
    Why Do People Lie? And Why Do Other People Believe Them?
    I remember discussing this topic with my ex Jennifer Aniston.
    (This was way before she was with Brad P)

    We were discussing the psychology behind why people lie, and why people believe them.


    We concluded that some people will just believe anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    Some writers want fast and instant money. With a lot of spinners, rewriters and other article software, they grab the benefit from that. Some buyer is satisfied enough with that service. Because the buyer maybe need quantity articles to dominating search engine with hope can get best results.

    About the lie of the writer, internet is a good opportunity. I mean you can't see the writers face when he/she lying about their service so they are not so shy and they keep doing it with "internet" condition. It's like, "No problem, you can't see me when I'm lying." So the lying service keep go on.
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    • Profile picture of the author sscot
      Originally Posted by sirtiman View Post

      About the lie of the writer, internet is a good opportunity. I mean you can't see the writers face when he/she lying about their service so they are not so shy and they keep doing it with "internet" condition. It's like, "No problem, you can't see me when I'm lying." So the lying service keep go on.
      sirtiman's saying is true.

      As extension, Mousy people lying though the internet and shamess people do it near the face.
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  • Profile picture of the author anthony waugh
    Hello
    I think when a boy or girl is mad in love with any one that time he or she don't care about any lie and just believe in each other. It happened with me but i still love her
    Anthony
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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
    It is one of the possible directions for people to go in, so some of them will go that way. I like this quote.

    You do not wake up one morning a bad person. It happens by a thousand tiny surrenders of self-respect to self-interest. Robert Brault

    And a few more thoughts on the subject, at honesty.
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  • Profile picture of the author stephfoster
    Some people get the idea that lies work and keep working. Reviews are easily faked, so I'm always careful about how much trust I put in them.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I'm not sure what the title of this thread and your example have in common. Some writers just plain suck. That's a fact. But that doesn't mean they're going to tell you they suck in their promo. And it doesn't mean they're lying either.

    It's up to you (and me and he and she) to figure out who's who and what's what. This isn't new to online marketing. This has been the situation since the first ad went out back BC or earlier. There's nothing at all to be gained by fretting over it. Get used to it. Be glad you've got the stuff to recognize garbabe.
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  • Profile picture of the author ericbryant
    Yeah, I hear you, but, it's almost like Why Ask Why? Human nature. Keep looking...
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Originally Posted by LeeLee View Post


    Why Do People Lie? And Why Do Other People Believe Them?
    Why do birds sing?

    George Washington, as a boy, was ignorant of the commonest accomplishments of youth. He could not even lie.
    ~Mark Twain

    A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
    ~Winston Churchill

    The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
    ~John F. Kennedy

    The lie is a condition of life.
    ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
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      • Profile picture of the author salegurus
        Originally Posted by anthony waugh View Post

        Hello
        I think when a boy or girl is mad in love with any one that time he or she don't care about any lie and just believe in each other. It happened with me but i still love her
        Anthony
        Take some time to read the OP before posting garbage.

        Originally Posted by baiju17 View Post

        Web hosting has gotten really inexpensive over the years and for less than
        What are you on about?
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendan Vraibel
    Just like with anything else online I always purchase a sample to test out. If it works out then great, if not I just chalk it up to being in business on the internet. There are always going to be unethical promotions and sales copy, it's up to us to use our judgement for what is worthwhile and what isn't.
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  • Profile picture of the author marimuda
    It is called wishful thinking, when people lack skepticism they tend to believe what they want to believe. It is not only online but everywhere. Religion is one example of the same subject. They want to make millions but don't want to work for it so they try to buy every "Secret" to make the shortcut to wonderland.
    "Wishful thinking is interpreting facts, reports, events, perceptions, etc., according to what one would like to be the case rather than according to the actual evidence. If it is done intentionally and without regard for the truth, it is called misinterpretation, falsification, dissembling, disingenuous, or perversion of the truth."
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  • Profile picture of the author coredesign
    Well...........its nature of some people. Nobody can help in this case.
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  • Profile picture of the author dougb
    Scammers are masters of the trigger words, the ones that make you compelled to find the buy button.. They usually have the gift of telling you what you want / need to know, if they put half the effort into building a quality product to compliment their "gift" they would be at the top of the mountain more often than not.

    I have to agree with B and B and say it is a part of doing business on the net, even here on the forum bad products surface. Just be careful and you get wiser every day to the crap.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Q
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    I've learned a lot on how to pick the right people for outsourcing services like articles, link building, etc. Most of them are lying about the quality, which causes my Ezine account to be downgraded back to Basic Plus. Even on my current project, I wrongfully hired an Ezine writer from India who promises quality and approval for my articles, but in the end all of his articles were rejected by Ezine and wants to keep my money for the efforts he had.

    Thankfully I've hired a trusted Native American writer, who successfully published my clients' articles on Ezine and save me from refunding the whole amount to the client.

    Lying is part of their strategy to make money from their services, but hey I hate liars.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wisden Writers
    I totally agree with you LeeLee on this, the reason why people lie they are native English writers and all is, many people want a native writer to write for them and claiming yourself a native can easily give you job.
    They don't understand one thing that it can be easily judged by your writing if you are a native writer or not.
    A native will think in English & write in English and other will think in their own language and then translate it into English which many times will create difference.

    Rather then claiming that you are native convince client that You are not native but you can provide content which even a native cant..

    I provide article writing service and in my entire life I never claimed that ( My Writers are Native) I can assure about quality but will not lie about my identity.

    Cheers!!
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I think that a lot of English is not first language people lie about their credentials, saying that they have college degrees in English or their writers are native English writers and I've found that NOT to be the case many times.

    It's obvious from the first article, even if the sample is professionally written, that they are not native English writers or even good writers. I think that some actually do think that they are good writers.

    When I'm hiring for articles, I order a very small quantity at first as a test. These writers tend to be pretty cheap, so if you want higher quality articles, you'll most likely have to pay more.
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    • Profile picture of the author sal64
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      Why do birds sing?
      why do fools fall in love?
      why do they fall in love?
      tell me why... oh why?

      Why do one-legged ducks swim in circles?

      Why do dogs... oh never mind.

      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I think that a lot of English is not first language people lie about their credentials, saying that they have college degrees in English or their writers are native English writers and I've found that NOT to be the case many times.

      It's obvious from the first article, even if the sample is professionally written, that they are not native English writers or even good writers. I think that some actually do think that they are good writers.

      When I'm hiring for articles, I order a very small quantity at first as a test. These writers tend to be pretty cheap, so if you want higher quality articles, you'll most likely have to pay more.
      Not sure about your education system over there, but I know quite a few native Australians who's English isn't their first language.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Wilson
    There is an article for you to see the quality of their service. Maybe their staff consists of one native english writer and they seem to market that.

    I'd just use common sense and if they are selling articles for 0.5c a words would stay away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Law guy
    It's not even worth asking this question, let alone answering it. The answer is selfevident. A better question would be - how to distinguish liars from genuine providers.
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  • Profile picture of the author DireStraits
    Originally Posted by LeeLee View Post

    Why Do People Lie?
    Because they're weak and/or lazy and/or insidious and/or delusional and/or fantasists.

    Originally Posted by LeeLee View Post

    And Why Do Other People Believe Them?
    Because they're weak and/or gullible and/or stupid and/or lazy and/or delusional and/or liars and fantasists themselves who have to buy into others' crap in order to (1) have them reciprocate and (2) believe in themselves.

    The world, and certainly our society of greed and all it drives - treachery, trickery and fickleness, etc - is a cesspit teeming to the brim with all such unsavoury, pitiful people, and then some.

    It - our supposed intelligence and sophistication - is what separates us from "mere animals". :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author LeeLee
      Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

      Because they're weak and/or lazy and/or insidious and/or delusional and/or fantasists.

      Because they're weak and/or gullible and/or stupid and/or lazy and/or delusional and/or liars and fantasists themselves who have to buy into others' crap in order to (1) have them reciprocate and (2) believe in themselves.

      The world, and certainly our society of greed and all it drives - treachery, trickery and fickleness, etc - is a cesspit teeming to the brim with all such unsavoury, pitiful people, and then some.

      It - our supposed intelligence and sophistication - is what separates us from "mere animals". :rolleyes:
      Thanks for this post Michael. Some other people got what I was getting at but you really got it.

      The article and sales page were just an example. There are others here on the forum. I did not buy this article. I did once buy a book about writing. The sales page was very persuasive. The product was not. The amount of errors (and I mean huge glaring errors, not picayune things) was astounding especially considering the topic. There's lying. And in this case there were just big huevos. It was so bad I was momentarily stunned.

      I guess I am naive and hold people to a higher standard.

      In the OP example I used, it might have sufficed to simply claim to write great articles. That would be subjective and open to interpretation. I also conceded that being a "professional" would likewise be subjective. Being a native English speaker however is not subjective.

      That covers the original lie. The worse lie is the reviews. Perhaps the reviewers were the seller's buddies. I sure hope so because I would hate to think fellow Warriors would hold their brethren in such low regard as to encourage them to waste their money.

      I'm not saying to give a bad review. I wouldn't want to be the one to crush someone else's dream regardless of how they are going about achieving it. A reviewer can either be gently critical or leave no review at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author winsenken
    Some people just not care what it is, they just want a fast result and fast money. They don't realize business is a long term
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  • Profile picture of the author NicoleBeckett
    Why do people lie?

    Because it's easy. Hey, on the internet, you can be anyone you want to be. The better you make yourself sound, the easier it will be to earn a quick buck. (And make no mistake, these people aren't looking for return business like a legitimate company is. Instead, they want enough people to buy into their garbage so that they can turn a quick profit and move onto the next sucker)

    Why do people believe them?

    In the case of many people, they want to believe that they really can get articles/web design/other legitimate services for next to nothing. If they find a diamond in the rough, great. If not, it's onto the next bargain-basement offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    I remember some guy names Satan told some woman name EVE that if she take the bite of an apple she would be able to see things that she never saw before. The world would open up to her. The she told her hubby that if he take the bite of the apple he would have all knowledge, wisdom, and, paradise filled with all the beautiful things life had to offer. I read this out of a book is the book a lie or no?

    I dont know the answer, but, it is a great metaphor all the way around aint it?
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by Team X View Post

      I remember some guy names Satan told some woman name EVE that if she take the bite of an apple she would be able to see things that she never saw before. The world would open up to her. The she told her hubby that if he take the bite of the apple he would have all knowledge, wisdom, and, paradise filled with all the beautiful things life had to offer. I read this out of a book is the book a lie or no?

      I dont know the answer, but, it is a great metaphor all the way around aint it?
      I saw Bill Cosby in concert a couple of weeks ago. He spent two hours doing bits about the apple and the snake. It was pretty funny stuff. On a side note, Bill is getting very old.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeanne Lovely
    There are allot of people who do not tell you the real truth - a good article writer is hard to fine - I use the article mill and Paula's work is by far the best I have received
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  • Profile picture of the author writersforums
    I think you have been scammed by the degraded article in the past. But be assure there are lots of good writers in the internet and have been providing quality articles. so don't be disappointed.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheJustWarrior
    In this context, they exaggerate grossly because telling you the truth would not convince you to give them money.

    Hiring a non English speaking content provider is like voting in Donald Duck for president
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    Why are there wars? Why are the prisons so overcrowded? Why do children bully other children? It's a fractured world with damaged people doing terrible things. Of course, there is the beauty of life .... good people treating others the way they would want to be treated. IM is no different.
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    Sadly, there will always be those who scam others and then there are those who are the real deal through and through.
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    It is what it is. Research pays...
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  • Profile picture of the author matthewfermin
    I guess, that's just the way it is. Some people love lying rather than telling the truth and some people trust easily. The irony of life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    What is a dirty liar in IM? Someone who convinces you that what you want is actually possible.

    Yeah, it takes a huge scumbag to promise the world for 5 dollars... but who tries to buy it?
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    • Profile picture of the author flamewave
      Psychology, My home turf. People will warp truths and facts into a world view that makes it seem as if they found what they are looking for. People will see what they want to see when looking at products and this is a bias.
      You then have predatory marketers who know how to invoke feelings and get buying juices flowing. Trust me, as a content deliverer I do the same thing when requested of me.

      But I don't lie, I don't review products I have never used nor do I make unsubstantiated claims.

      Buyer Beware
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      • Profile picture of the author Verisimilitude
        Originally Posted by flamewave View Post

        Psychology, My home turf. People will warp truths and facts into a world view that makes it seem as if they found what they are looking for. People will see what they want to see when looking at products and this is a bias.
        You then have predatory marketers who know how to invoke feelings and get buying juices flowing. Trust me, as a content deliverer I do the same thing when requested of me.

        But I don't lie, I don't review products I have never used nor do I make unsubstantiated claims.

        Buyer Beware
        I believe the term you're looking for is "cognitive dissonance".
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    Let's not forget all the writers out there who claim to be able to "LSI-optimize" your article up until the point where you ask them how large their data set is, or even just an intermediate-level question about statistical analysis.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daedalus
    Lets start with why you believe them:

    You are lazy. You can't be bothered typing 500 word article about the moped exhaust pipes for instance. Naturally, you decide to open your wallet and buy the time instead of putting it in.

    Why do they do it?

    It's easy short-term income. They ousource it themselves for a 3rd your paying them.


    I've tried many services and I still haven't encountered anyone who uses decent English. So my advice to you is: pay as little as possible and edit them yourself or pay a native speaker to edit them for you. If I pay 30 cents per 150 words I am happy no matter how terrible the writer is, since it's a no brainer to edit 150 articles instead of writing 150 of them.
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    Sometimes people lie out of desperation to make money
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by LeeLee View Post

    What are people thinking? Why would they rave about this?
    Why do so many people like Twilight?

    Will the internet ever be worth reading or is it destined to become a bunch of gobbledigook?
    You're missing the reality here.

    90% of everything is garbage.

    Just a few years ago, the people on the internet were a special elite class of people who were better than anyone else, at least in our own opinions.

    Today, everyone is on the internet. Even your dumbass kid brother who writes poems about eating paste.

    He was still doing that before he had the internet. It's just that now he's got a blog where everyone can read his poems, and he's linked you as "family" on Facebook so everyone knows you're related to him, and now the cute blonde girl you met at the party looks you up before your big date and thinks it's funny to make jokes about eating paste all through dinner.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Why do people lie?

    To become President of USA, rich, accepted....(bet you can't disprove that first example..)

    Why do people believe them?

    Because they see some reward behind supporting the lie, whether it is financial, acceptance, happiness, or whatever else you can conjure up...

    Will the internet ever be worth reading?

    Do you mean the entire internet? That is like asking if every book on Amazon is worth reading, heck no...but that 1 to 10% of books that you search out, dust off, and add your own insight to are worth reading..same thing on the internet, or even the Warrior Forum. How many posts are a complete waste of bits? (Including my own....)

    Barry

    P.S. Matt...Man I am so frickin' jealous...You STUD!!!!
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