Is Stealing somebody elses List of resources Illegal? and using it on your content

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If you see a list on somebodies blog, - eg list of 40 submission directories,

and you want to include: use this list, (or some of it) on your own content,

then what are the legal issues here? stealing a list? or not really?

but there are tonnes of lists online, - can you sue somebody for copying and pasting some of a list ?



I mean using the list without asking them, or Without referencing to them.

can they do you for stealing?

Which is different to taking an article, isnt it ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
    If you copy and paste, yes, it's still plagiarism.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Why not use that list to make an either better list. A list tailored to your visitors.

    If the list is good enough to show your readers then why not just let them know about the original location for the list. Add some commentry and then link them to the other site. The other site owner will appreciate it and you never know where networking can lead. Maybe they'll find something on your site and return the favour. The trackback system in Wordpress is there to encourgage and reward sharing so you really don't need to steal the content to make it useful for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author ttrance
    the whole issue here is that there are many countries involved here, each having different ways of looking at things. When we are in the international market, if you try to use your regionally developed laws against your fellow warrior who may be from a far away land... He will just say 'Silly boy.', and proceed to do whatever will make him the most money.

    Thus is the way of the world. In the world of business, especially in the world of big business, everyone does whatever they can to grow and succeed. A plant growing will do whatever it can to succeed.

    When it comes to Internet Marketing, to try and flatout setup a strict law system you must adhere to will just cause you to not figure out how to positively use the problem in question.

    And here its the idea of using someones content. 20 years ago, reading a book and passing on the information was not an issue. Now its really getting to the point of what is what? Where do we draw the line? I think the line should be drawn at the normal traditional meaning of the word plagiarism which is:
    the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work, as by not crediting the author

    Its a good thing for people to gather and share information, and for you to then go and pass on that information in your own way is perfect - the problem is when you try to make it seem as if your the original creator of that hard work everyone else did. That is a very destructive force in this world
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Networking_now View Post

    If you see a list on somebodies blog, - eg list of 40 submission directories
    You can use the sites ON the list.

    But you can't use the list.

    Let's say I made a list of five cool places on the web.

    1. Bob's Place - I like this place a lot.
    2. Joe's Place - I like this place a lot, too.
    3. George's Place - This place is cool.
    4. Steve's Place - This place is also cool.
    5. Eric's Place - This place is okay.

    You can make your own list that has the same five places on it.

    BUT.

    You can't use the descriptions.

    And you can't use the same order, UNLESS the order is derived from the places themselves.

    You might put them in alphabetical order and list Bob, Eric, Joe, George, and Steve. And because the alphabet is an objective ordering method, someone else could list the same five places in alphabetical order.

    But if it's not numeric, alphabetical, length of the URL, or some other method of ordering... the order of the list is itself information that has value.

    It's actually more work making it not-stealing than it is to do your own work in the first place, which is rather the point.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrjosco
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      You can use the sites ON the list.

      But you can't use the list.

      Let's say I made a list of five cool places on the web.

      1. Bob's Place - I like this place a lot.
      2. Joe's Place - I like this place a lot, too.
      3. George's Place - This place is cool.
      4. Steve's Place - This place is also cool.
      5. Eric's Place - This place is okay.

      You can make your own list that has the same five places on it.

      BUT.

      You can't use the descriptions.

      And you can't use the same order, UNLESS the order is derived from the places themselves.

      You might put them in alphabetical order and list Bob, Eric, Joe, George, and Steve. And because the alphabet is an objective ordering method, someone else could list the same five places in alphabetical order.

      But if it's not numeric, alphabetical, length of the URL, or some other method of ordering... the order of the list is itself information that has value.

      It's actually more work making it not-stealing than it is to do your own work in the first place, which is rather the point.
      I think this is a good point. The website with the list of resources doesn't own the resources. They took the time to compile the list with links, but they don't have an exclusive right to the list of 3rd party resources.

      They do, however, have rights to the descriptions they have written (if any) for the resources. If you use their list as a guide and add your own unique content there shouldn't be a problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      You can use the sites ON the list.

      But you can't use the list.

      Let's say I made a list of five cool places on the web.

      1. Bob's Place - I like this place a lot.
      2. Joe's Place - I like this place a lot, too.
      3. George's Place - This place is cool.
      4. Steve's Place - This place is also cool.
      5. Eric's Place - This place is okay.

      You can make your own list that has the same five places on it.

      BUT.

      You can't use the descriptions.

      And you can't use the same order, UNLESS the order is derived from the places themselves.
      All correct, except for the last part. I recall learning in my journalism classes that you cannot copyright a compiled list. It is perfectly legal to copy the white pages of the phone book and print your own, in the same order. Granted that is just alphabetical, but if the white pages ever decided to section off by hair color or whatever, you could copy that list too.

      But then again, I'm not a lawyer.
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      • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
        Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

        All correct, except for the last part. I recall learning in my journalism classes that you cannot copyright a compiled list. It is perfectly legal to copy the white pages of the phone book and print your own, in the same order. Granted that is just alphabetical, but if the white pages ever decided to section off by hair color or whatever, you could copy that list too.

        But then again, I'm not a lawyer.
        It depends on the list. The classic definition of what you're thinking of is a recipe. However, if I have a list where I offer explanations of each time rather than just a list, then it is copywritable.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    If I use lists from elsewhere, I redo them so they are mine and add and change things around. I have quite a few lists of resources so I usually find stuff to add anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Noner
    It depends where you live. Most of countries tend to have copyright laws that would prohibit that kind of use. A compiled list is at least in my country seen as a copyright violation because the writer has compiled the listing by writing. Of course if you're market is US and Europe I would follow their legislation's common principles. Berne Convention is implemented quite widely so you can read the common principles of it. Please not that even databases are protected by the WIPO Copyright Treaty.

    Of course as a previous poster stated, places or general things can't be copyrighted. The point is that they are protected in the form that the writer has written them. That's what make them unique piece of works. I'm not a US qualified lawyer, so you might want to consult one in cases like that. In my country we have principles like of "uniqueness of the work" and does the work "qualify as a unique work" etc.

    But if we are realistic nobody mostly cares (by taking action) if you copy their text. It just isn't good business even if you don't get sued. Just make up your own lists or order someone to do it for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Ditfort
    Depends on the factors, no it's not plagiarism because It's not the web developers work. It's a list of resource which they gathered. Example,

    Google.com
    Pokemon.com
    GoDaddy.com
    NameCheap.com
    Twilight
    New Moon

    If you copied a list like that or just a list, it's not illegal because the blog owner does not own the titles. You should be able to copy a list without a problem, It's not there original work if it's a list of resources, so I don't see a problem copying a list.

    It should be fine, there's nothing they can or would even want to do.

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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    Two options here:

    1. Leave a link and quote a small bit to tell your readers what it's about.
    2. Rewrite the list in your own words.

    Copying the whole thing, even if you put a link back to the original is not only plagiarism but could also get your page and possibly even site deindexed if the original writer complains to Google (I've done that with people who stole my content so I know it can be done).
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