How do you invest your money?

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I have a friend with an MBA from Harvard.

He says the best way is to break everything up in 5% and invest it in different things (diversify) i.e.


5%-stocks
5%-business 1
5%-business investment 2

etc etc


what do you think and... what do you do?
#invest #money
  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
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  • Profile picture of the author Verisimilitude
    I dunno about that, bud. If you want to diversify, just invest in an index.

    Also, an MBA means jack **** in the world of investment banking and finance. Even if it's from Harvard.
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    • Profile picture of the author agc
      Originally Posted by Verisimilitude View Post

      I dunno about that, bud. If you want to diversify, just invest in an index.

      Also, an MBA means jack **** in the world of investment banking and finance. Even if it's from Harvard.
      True "internet grade wisdom" if I ever saw it. Obviously written by someone that knows jack **** about the world of investment banking and finance.

      In the world of IB and finance, the MBA matters. A lot. And the Harvard MBA is finance focused... much more so than an MBA from, say Podunk State.

      I do not have an MBA, and I work in IT not finance. MBA's are my natural enemy. Yet, strangely, I find myself compelled to defend even my enemies against ignorant attacks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Banks
        Originally Posted by agc View Post

        True "internet grade wisdom" if I ever saw it. Obviously written by someone that knows jack **** about the world of investment banking and finance.

        In the world of IB and finance, the MBA matters. A lot. And the Harvard MBA is finance focused... much more so than an MBA from, say Podunk State.

        I do not have an MBA, and I work in IT not finance. MBA's are my natural enemy. Yet, strangely, I find myself compelled to defend even my enemies against ignorant attacks.
        Podunk State?--that is 'internet grade wisdom' if I ever did see it...might as well had said 'TTT.' I can tell you're one of the kids that love to hang out at ibankingoasis or wallstreetoasis whichever it is called now.

        -Former IB'er down the analyst -> MBA -> Goldman Associate -> left for PE and now here track.
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        • Profile picture of the author agc
          Originally Posted by Matt Banks View Post

          Podunk State?--that is 'internet grade wisdom' if I ever did see it...might as well had said 'TTT.' I can tell you're one of the kids that love to hang out at ibankingoasis or wallstreetoasis whichever it is called now.

          -Former IB'er down the analyst -> MBA -> Goldman Associate -> left for PE and now here track.
          TTT?
          Team time trial?
          Trinidad and Tobago Television?
          TIM TANG TEST?
          3T Cycling?

          To the top?

          WTF does that even mean?

          So who's the former IBer, me or you?
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  • Profile picture of the author Samrath Gupta
    Well, I'm also pursuing for MBA and no teacher yet taught me this lol

    Honestly- It is good that you invest a % of your earnings but not 5% at many places. To make things clear and valuable take some time to research where you are investing your money ! Seek for best and secure options because In my personal view Stock Marketin is not a good place if you dont know much about it !

    But you can start multiple business or the best one could you become investor in other peoples project. This is the best method you can work on and make decent money by just investing in peoples project !

    PS:A wrong decision can change the situation's !

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  • Profile picture of the author EricBaglio
    I have stocks, a savings account, virtual real estate with my sites, actual real estate and a retirement fund.

    Diversifying is key.
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  • Profile picture of the author HarrisonJ
    Yeah putting 5% of your net worth in 20 different investments is good, but a lot of work managing 20 different investments. If you're doing stocks don't invest more than 5% to 10% in a certain stock, but the stock market is crazy stressful.

    If you have have 100k or so, buy a newer house in Texas or Oklahoma near a big city (or another state with less-expensive houses with high rental demand) and rent it out with the help of a Property Manager. You'll have a mortgage of about 1k, and you can rent it out for about 1k. With tax breaks, and with home value appreciation over the long run, you'll make much more than putting your money in a 1% CD.
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    • Profile picture of the author Verisimilitude
      Originally Posted by HarrisonJ View Post

      Yeah putting 5% of your net worth in 20 different investments is good, but a lot of work managing 20 different investments. If you're doing stocks don't invest more than 5% to 10% in a certain stock, but the stock market is crazy stressful.

      If you have have 100k or so, buy a newer house in Texas or Oklahoma near a big city (or another state with less-expensive houses with high rental demand) and rent it out with the help of a Property Manager. You'll have a mortgage of about 1k, and you can rent it out for about 1k. With tax breaks, and with home value appreciation over the long run, you'll make much more than putting your money in a 1% CD.
      Better yet, buy a house in a campustown as close to the actual campus as possible, and rent it out. Plenty of students with mommy and daddy's money who aren't very price sensitive when it comes to convenience. Bonus if you're good at interior design.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sue Bruce
      I invest in gold, silver, China, real estate (on and offline) and myself. I started buying gold when it was under $400

      You have to be older to know the gold story (or an investment researcher). I swore after the cycle with gold, the next time it went below $400 I would start buying as much as I could afford.

      The big gain on gold led me to silver. Economy collapses, you can buy food and necessities. All coins.

      This is most recent portfolio. I was heavy into stocks but it is time consuming with the state of the world economy. I was constantly checking prices.

      Revamped investments and it is a lot easier to get to sleep.
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      • The biggest investment in a non-passive activity (business) is your time. At least that's what I've found. I have very little capital in any of my businesses, well under $10,000. I don't believe in putting a lot into a business unless I can get a quick return.

        As far as personal investments go, got a number of 401(k)s, IRAs, primary residence, rental property, stock grants from hub's company, HP stock, annuities, but mostly we're sitting on cash until something good comes along. We're within five years of retirement.

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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Seagers
        Originally Posted by Sue Bruce View Post

        I invest in gold, silver, China, real estate (on and offline) and myself. I started buying gold when it was under $400

        You have to be older to know the gold story (or an investment researcher). I swore after the cycle with gold, the next time it went below $400 I would start buying as much as I could afford.

        The big gain on gold led me to silver. Economy collapses, you can buy food and necessities. All coins.
        Sue,

        I do not make enough capital to get too deep into investing. Although, I use a Silver Savings Program to buy and sell Silver Bullion. There are more factors in Silver for the increase in price. I follow David Morgans report that Silver has room to sky rocket as Gold did and Silver has grown %200 in the last 5 years.

        Sue, you bought in early and smart precious metals is the Future. In my opinion backed by reading an listening to Investment Pro's.
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  • Profile picture of the author Denisem
    Diversifying is indeed the key to maintaining healthy returns on investment. I would recommend making a variable life insurance policy a part of that diversified portfolio. If you don't already have life insurance coverage on yourself, this is a great combination of investment and life insurance coverage which will separate the amount you pay to protect yourself from your investment component, which will generate a cash-value at the end of your term and a guaranteed death benefit as well.


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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    It has been said that diversification is a protection against ignorance.

    There's more profit to be made from one system you really understand, test and perfect, than from 10 systems you don't really understand and take other people's advice.

    On the other hand, there is a lot of synergy to be gained from learning different, but related systems, such as different IM systems. Instead of wondering why what you're doing isn't working, ask advice, do the best you can, then try some different systems, because you'll almost certainly learn something relevant from each one, until you build up enough overall knowledge and ability to make one system work well, then other systems work well too.

    You can start out treating IM as an investment rather than a business or a job. For example, only consider systems that can be fully outsourced and/or automated. Consider leverage and ROI over time, before you start out with any IM system.

    With a bit of work, you can make better returns from IM than any passive investment system, but it takes more work.

    With IM, it is possible to start off entirely for free, and make money before you spend any. That offers a different route than investments which need money, however, with IM, you'll have to put some time and effort into learning, else you'll probably make a loss. IM has more potential than most forms of investment, but requires more knowledge and ability.

    Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      I invest nearly all of my discretionary profits in the stock market and real estate.
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      • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        I invest nearly all of my discretionary profits in the stock market and real estate.
        may I ask you a question sir? How do you determine which areas your real estate investments go? As we know there are only pockets of areas booming in the US as well as internationally. While I am at it, do you have stock investments in asian and russian markets?
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          @theory expert,

          Certainly, but as others have said my methods are not recommended unless you have sufficient resources to recover from mistakes. I was very fortunate to capitalize on the huge discounts of major US corporate stock prices of 2008 and made some nice coin when they recovered early this year. From there I parlayed profits into distressed real estate markets in the US, which continues to be a source of high upside potential just about anywhere. Although there may be similar opportunities in other areas of the world, I'm finding more than enough real estate and stock market bargains right here in the US.
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          • Profile picture of the author anders83k
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            @theory expert,

            Certainly, but as others have said my methods are not recommended unless you have sufficient resources to recover from mistakes. I was very fortunate to capitalize on the huge discounts of major US corporate stock prices of 2008 and made some nice coin when they recovered early this year. From there I parlayed profits into distressed real estate markets in the US, which continues to be a source of high upside potential just about anywhere. Although there may be similar opportunities in other areas of the world, I'm finding more than enough real estate and stock market bargains right here in the US.
            I would have done the same if I had the cash in 2008 in europe, will do next time the economy drops where I live
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by TheSalesTechnician View Post

    I have a friend with an MBA from Harvard.

    He says the best way is to break everything up in 5% and invest it in different things (diversify) i.e.


    5%-stocks
    5%-business 1
    5%-business investment 2

    etc etc


    what do you think and... what do you do?
    Interesting. Did your friend from Harvard discuss diversification, risk tolerance, time horizon, asset protection, tax-advantaged investing, how to deal with probate or avoid it, etc.? There is no "best" way for anybody since financial planning is not a cookie cutter endeavor, neither is investing which is a small subset of financial planning because there are so many different ways to invest.

    There are thousands of more investment vehicles today than there were ten years ago. There are so many of them I have to refer to my own financial experts to learn more about them.

    In my former life I was a personal and business financial planner, so I do have a background in this. Degrees don't impress me, only results do. Now if your friend consistently gets solid returns from their investments over a long period of time, that would be more impressive to me than what they studied.

    The 5% premise sounds okay to me, but it's definitely not a "best way" scenario as everybody has different financial needs, investment goals, etc. Also, I don't think weighting investments evenly at 5% is a good idea. A lot of it has to do with the level of risk you're taking with each specific investment.

    Take my own portfolio of investments as an example, I would never advise people to invest the way I do without knowing a lot more about them and their financial situation, their financial knowledge, how much debt they have, their culture, their value and belief systems, how much they want to donate to charity, etc.

    I invest my money in a wide variety of things: real estate, the stock market, currencies, partnerships, intellectual property, IPOs, and, of course, online businesses and it's done in such a way where I own nothing but I control everything (this is where corporations, LLCs, and trusts come in).

    IMO, I think everyone should at least study the basics of financial planning, investing, and asset protection before they start moving their money from cash to something else.

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  • Profile picture of the author abdulquddus
    Originally Posted by TheSalesTechnician View Post

    I have a friend with an MBA from Harvard.

    He says the best way is to break everything up in 5% and invest it in different things (diversify) i.e.


    5%-stocks
    5%-business 1
    5%-business investment 2

    etc etc


    what do you think and... what do you do?
    Hi

    5% is too less to invest into business. It all depends on the business in which you I am investing. If I see a particular business is giving good returns, I wouldn't mind investing everything into it. But to be cautious I would invest 25% into some other profitable business.

    Anyway I own two businesses and I have invested 75% of my capital in one and 25% in one
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    • Profile picture of the author insurancelink
      I invest money in various insurance policies like life insurance, term life insurance, health insurance etc becuase in this type of investments returns are guaranteed.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    silver bullion and strip clubs.

    The latter is not only more fun, but gets me in lots of trouble.

    I also get dirty looks when I wear my "I support single moms" TSHIRT!
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    • Profile picture of the author HypeText
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      silver bullion and strip clubs.

      The latter is not only more fun, but gets me in lots of trouble.

      I also get dirty looks when I wear my "I support single moms" TSHIRT!
      So do you see lipstick stains on your shirts and hangovers as your ROI on your Strip Club "Investments"? lol
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  • Profile picture of the author agc
    Originally Posted by TheSalesTechnician View Post

    I have a friend with an MBA from Harvard.

    He says the best way is to break everything up in 5% and invest it in different things (diversify) i.e.


    5%-stocks
    5%-business 1
    5%-business investment 2

    etc etc


    what do you think and... what do you do?
    That makes sense for managing $200,000 (20 x 10,000 investments), but it makes NO sense for managing $1,000 (20 x 50 investments). The transaction cost alone would eat up several years of return.

    The number 20 (5%) comes from "Modern Portfolio Theory" and Markowitz.

    It represents the number of securities needed to remove individual security risk from a portfolio. You're still left with "market risk", for example 20 US tech stocks vs 20 US large caps, vs 20 stocks from around the world, vs 20 "not all stocks", etc.

    For example owning 20 different residential rental properties only represents diversification of tenants... you are still 100% exposed to general real estate market value risk (capital value) and also to the rental market risk (return on investment). In many ways you'd be better served having one commercial tenant with a 30 year commercial lease than having 20 residential tenants with one year leases, which sounds like the opposite of diversification but isn't really.

    And if you turn the cash flow into debt service for tax reasons (usually trying to get 15% capital gains rather than 50% percent rental income) you become very leveraged, and market events like 2007 can destroy huge amounts of capital (and when banks force liquidations you lose the assets you need to ride the recovery) , or even wipe you out completely.
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  • Profile picture of the author newmannewy
    Invest 90% precious metals for when the western economies collapse and hold 10% cash to buy day to day items.

    INFLATION IS COMING !!!

    Invest in some land and grow food..
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    • Profile picture of the author anders83k
      Originally Posted by newmannewy View Post

      Invest 90% precious metals for when the western economies collapse and hold 10% cash to buy day to day items.

      INFLATION IS COMING !!!

      Invest in some land and grow food..
      what precious metals? gold, silver or rare metals like the ones used in mobile phones?

      Also wondering about land and food as climate change may change what areas are good and useless for growing food/having lifestock..
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  • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
    Paper assets are only for insider, if you are on the outside - high chance you're gonna be killed. It will be good if you can start investing a little in commodities such as gold, silver, oil.. Invest in REAL money instead of paper.

    Damn right, inflation is coming - those who saved dollars are the loser at the end of the day. The more gold & silver price drop, the more I wanna buy now

    IM in my opinion can be another great investment. No matter how bad the market is, IM is NOT going to get affected badly, if there is - I reckon it should only be a little. IM 'shares' drop only when google does some funny updates Google is basically controlling the trend of IM..

    Get ready for the next big wave If USA falls, the world follows.. let's pray that Obama and the Federal does a great job..

    God bless you,
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan2525
    Originally Posted by TheSalesTechnician View Post

    I have a friend with an MBA from Harvard.

    He says the best way is to break everything up in 5% and invest it in different things (diversify) i.e.


    5%-stocks
    5%-business 1
    5%-business investment 2

    etc etc


    what do you think and... what do you do?
    Im more of Warren Buffets way of thinking.

    "Put all your eggs in one basket and then watch that basket carefully" Warren Buffet

    I have 80%of my cash in Gold and Silver and I invest
    heavily in my business each month.

    .
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    General rule, 10% of total alotted in any one thing. So if I have $100K for stock options, only 10% of that in the market at any time.

    However, I have broken my "general rule" many times over my lifetime to some extraordinary gains and for some severe losses, too. I think it is my risk taking that makes me an entrepreneur.

    Curious? How long has your friend been out of college and has he/she ever been fully supported by their own company?

    The reason I ask is because I believe that entrepreneurs think a bit differently then most people.
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  • Profile picture of the author smartiewriter
    I my thoughts, investing 100% in a stable and proven investment is better than 20 five percent investments that are speculative.

    There are too many variables.
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    • Profile picture of the author jeskola
      Originally Posted by smartiewriter View Post

      I my thoughts, investing 100% in a stable and proven investment is better than 20 five percent investments that are speculative.

      There are too many variables.


      Is there such a thing? IF there is the returns are probably not so high (though i'm a complete novice in the investment world so i dn't really know)

      Any advice on investing -

      I have around 2000 USD a month spare i would like to do something with rather than leave it in a bank account.

      I'm a complete novice at investment and wonder if anyone has any thoughts on what to do or where I can start reading up on what to do.

      I went to see a FA but I felt pressured into buying into long term products that appeared to give pretty rubbish returns. Actually i was hounded with phone calls for follow up meetings and to sign on the dotted line - didn't really enjoy that experience so i want to do it myself.

      I've been reading up and it looks like short to medium term bonds or gold might be the best option right now? But also don't want all my eggs in one basket... so i guess i would want to have a variety of pots to put money into.

      So what would be thoughts around stocks / bonds / gold / what about RMB ?

      Any starting points or thoughts greatly appreciated!

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      • Profile picture of the author agc
        Make sure you make your max 401k allocation first. That's around 16,500 a year, or so. You probably make a first year 30% return just in tax savings. The downside is that barring extreme emergencies, there are penalties for using the money before you retire.

        Put the rest in a normal brokerage account.

        Then put the money in each account into mutual funds, and spread it between 5 to 10 just to get some additional diversification and exposure to different market sectors (like one stock index fund (s&p 500), one large cap, one small cap, one real estate fund, one bond fund, one emerging market fund, etc).

        If you can invest monthly, I'd consider EITHER picking the sector (per above) that you feel has the best 12 to 24 month upside, and put that month's allocation there. OR spread it evenly between sectors each month.

        Also, if you have any debt at 8% or over (other than a car payment or house) pay it off first. It's almost impossible to beat an 8% return @ zero volatility.

        Once you have some cash to buffer in and out w/o having to use credit cards, then it's time to start investing.
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        • Profile picture of the author adrwcav
          Nice post man, couldn't help but say it since you have my initials "agc"

          Originally Posted by agc View Post

          Make sure you make your max 401k allocation first. That's around 16,500 a year, or so. You probably make a first year 30% return just in tax savings. The downside is that barring extreme emergencies, there are penalties for using the money before you retire.

          Put the rest in a normal brokerage account.

          Then put the money in each account into mutual funds, and spread it between 5 to 10 just to get some additional diversification and exposure to different market sectors (like one stock index fund (s&p 500), one large cap, one small cap, one real estate fund, one bond fund, one emerging market fund, etc).

          If you can invest monthly, I'd consider EITHER picking the sector (per above) that you feel has the best 12 to 24 month upside, and put that month's allocation there. OR spread it evenly between sectors each month.

          Also, if you have any debt at 8% or over (other than a car payment or house) pay it off first. It's almost impossible to beat an 8% return @ zero volatility.

          Once you have some cash to buffer in and out w/o having to use credit cards, then it's time to start investing.
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  • Profile picture of the author thinktwice
    MBA from Harvard... lol.

    Seriously, Pareto law or the 80-20 law... is pretty much on the spot!

    Yes, if you do stocks... maybe 5% is not a bad thing, but anybody doing stocks is playing casino anyway, so you will probably lose everything once it crashes again.

    80% of my income is from the same place... my rule of thumb is to have 3 different sources of revenues. Each one can have a lot of "portfolio" diversification.

    ie: PPC, Banner Promotion, Social Networks, Real Estate, etc.

    You have many PPC campaigns, a few banners, you use FB, Twitter and have 3-4 different real estate rentals.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
    I invest at least 50% of my income. . Always building up my portfolio..

    Here's my breakdown:

    1) 0% in stock, mutual funds, bonds etc (going to small caps soon)

    2) 40% in business (mainly IM now)

    3) 40% in gold, silver, oil, green energy etc (commodities)

    4) 20% save.. (looking for other opportunities)

    I've made lots of mistakes, even though I've invested 50% of my income but the money doesn't always seems to come back (especially in Business IM).. Good news is, I tend to learn from my mistakes and now things are slowly getting better and better.. praise the Lord!

    I don't recommend everyone to invest 50% of their income. especially when you already have family/kids to feed..

    God bless,
    Jeremiah
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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    How do I invest my money?

    Wisely!

    And with a lot of research.

    Cashflow and Appreciation from Real Estate, Dividends from Stocks/Businesses.

    When gold was just starting to rise I was just started to learn about it, doing some research. So I didn't invest in gold or silver. Mostly because I didn't understand the fundamentals, why it was rising.

    and I am not one to invest in something just because the price is going up, especially when I don't understand it. And definately not because a bunch of strangers on the internet say it's a sure thing, lol

    But Real Estate and Business I do understand.

    Dividends I do understand.

    So I invest in those.

    Gold and Silver I will in the future.

    Oil I am just learning about now.

    And I would love to own a Casino or two.
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  • Profile picture of the author daweller
    I took my life's savings last week ( about $82,000 ) flew to Vegas, and put it all on black.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarah23
    I invest it in paying my mortgage off earlier.
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    Max out of annual IRA contribution.
    Then various funds if any is left. Bonds can give good returns.

    Originally Posted by sarah23 View Post

    I invest it in paying my mortgage off earlier.
    This may not be wise.

    Returns on good investments can easily exceed the % owed for the mortgage, especially in recent years with their meager 3-5% interest rates. Investments, on the other hands, have had 10%+ returns lately.
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  • Profile picture of the author thefulltimer
    I started buying .com's in 1998 and have not stopped since. There is no bigger return on investment that I know of, if you do it right. Do it wrong and you can waste some serious money seriously quickly.

    For every dollar I've spent on domain investing, I'd conservatively say I've made back $15.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Ummm this thread is from 2011, its as OLD as dem HILLS! :-0
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  • Profile picture of the author littledan
    I prefer a barbell strategy. It is split between ultra safe and highly speculative with nothing in the middle.

    90% - 95% of funds go into the safest investments as possible with an aim to just maintain your assets after inflation. The other 5% - 10% goes into highly speculative ideas that would pay off big time should the circumstances that trigger that investment occurs.
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