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Here's something I think some IMers need to hear.

...If roughly 95% of internet marketers aren't making even a sale a week, why do you do what they do?

If you're one of them, why do you keep doing what you're doing?

Albert Einstein said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

If you want to continue failing, then walk with all the sheep. If you want to break through and grow an internet business fast, then start doing what the top .1% of internet marketers are doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    It's kind of hard, especially for beginners, to tell who to listen to, isn't it? A lot of people talk a good game and claim to make a lot of money. It takes a while to start reading through the lines and get a good idea of who uses methods that are worth emulating and who doesn't.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by Dana_W View Post

      It's kind of hard, especially for beginners, to tell who to listen to, isn't it? A lot of people talk a good game and claim to make a lot of money. It takes a while to start reading through the lines and get a good idea of who uses methods that are worth emulating and who doesn't.
      Yeah, that's true.

      And you don't really know until you've failed.
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      • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
        Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

        Yeah, that's true.

        And you don't really know until you've failed.
        Then you still don't know because of 1000s of different variables.

        Remember, what works for me wont work for everyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author Teresa Coppes
      Originally Posted by Dana_W View Post

      It's kind of hard, especially for beginners, to tell who to listen to, isn't it? A lot of people talk a good game and claim to make a lot of money. It takes a while to start reading through the lines and get a good idea of who uses methods that are worth emulating and who doesn't.
      I think Dana pretty much summed it up nicely. There are so many "I've got the perfect system" for newbies out there that it's hard to know which one is good and not. And then again, it really might be good for one but not another. Just have to find something that works for yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author PascalE
      Originally Posted by Dana_W View Post

      It's kind of hard, especially for beginners, to tell who to listen to, isn't it? A lot of people talk a good game and claim to make a lot of money. It takes a while to start reading through the lines and get a good idea of who uses methods that are worth emulating and who doesn't.
      That's exactly the problem I am facing - specially being new here and not knowing who to trust. I start with picking tips and tricks from several threads and combining them make up my own strategy for now.
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    • Profile picture of the author tremayne
      Originally Posted by Dana_W View Post

      It's kind of hard, especially for beginners, to tell who to listen to, isn't it? A lot of people talk a good game and claim to make a lot of money. It takes a while to start reading through the lines and get a good idea of who uses methods that are worth emulating and who doesn't.
      I eventually knew the steps I needed to take though I did not necessarily know how to take them so perhaps the single most important step for me was to shut out the noise, cut myself off the lists of a bunch of marketers, and just move ahead with what I had already learned. And, yes, I still buy too many products to look at "later"!

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    • Profile picture of the author NavPitt
      Originally Posted by Dana_W View Post

      It's kind of hard, especially for beginners, to tell who to listen to, isn't it? A lot of people talk a good game and claim to make a lot of money. It takes a while to start reading through the lines and get a good idea of who uses methods that are worth emulating and who doesn't.
      I agree I have been trying to figure out who is legit and who is not.
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  • Profile picture of the author callmestrip
    looking at photoshoped clickbank earnings and fake testimonials keeps going hard
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  • Profile picture of the author flashgordon
    I agree. I've only been into IM for about a year or more, and it took me the first nine months or so to figure out a system that worked consistently and who to listen to. I also had to find a niche that I wanted to stick with, and to figure out how to make money without just being a spammer or putting out crap with ads everywhere. Now I know what I'm doing (or at least I think so), and my sales growth goes up each month (this is my best month, despite the economy). Sure, I have not hit the numbers you see people touting all over the web ($500 a week on Adsense; make an ebook and get rich; etc.), but I see a solid business for myself slowly forming from the ground up. Plus, I've learned a lot of skills, so what I can continue to grow my business rather then wait until someone "reveals" the next secret and I try and jump on it.

    So if you don't fail at first, from my experience, you are also not likely to succeed in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author JustVisiting
    Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

    Here's something I think some IMers need to hear.

    ...If roughly 95% of internet marketers aren't making even a sale a week, why do you do what they do?
    ...where did you get these stats???:confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      Originally Posted by JustVisiting View Post

      ...where did you get these stats???:confused:
      It's probably more like the top 5% earn 95% of the internet income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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    Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

    Here's something I think some IMers need to hear.

    ...If roughly 95% of internet marketers aren't making even a sale a week, why do you do what they do?

    If you're one of them, why do you keep doing what you're doing?
    .
    There's something to be said about persistence in this business. People aren't going to be wealthy overnight and sometims they have to work towards making sales. Great point though. If what you're doing isn't working then change your approach or move onto something else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Habitat
    Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

    Here's something I think some IMers need to hear.

    ...If roughly 95% of internet marketers aren't making even a sale a week, why do you do what they do?

    If you're one of them, why do you keep doing what you're doing?

    Albert Einstein said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

    If you want to continue failing, then walk with all the sheep. If you want to break through and grow an internet business fast, then start doing what the top .1% of internet marketers are doing.
    My Dad says that. I agree with you - I kind of shy away from a lot of stuff I see and try to think outside the box.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinw1
    Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

    ...If roughly 95% of internet marketers aren't making even a sale a week, why do you do what they do?
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    then start doing what the top .1% of internet marketers are doing.
    The problem lies in knowing the difference.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by kevinw1 View Post

      The problem lies in knowing the difference.
      Not that tough.

      *Root yourself in proven principles.

      *Learn proven strategies.

      *Apply proven tactics.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by Danc1122 View Post

      I'm still wondering where the hell people get that statistic from. Is there any actual proof of this stat?
      Some stats you just know from observation.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ian Jackson
        Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

        Some stats you just know from observation.
        Lies, damn lies, and statistics :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
          Originally Posted by Ian Jackson View Post

          Lies, damn lies, and statistics :rolleyes:
          Sorry. I don't get your reply.

          Take a look at the operations of 100+ internet marketers and think about what it takes to just make 1 sale per week and you'll get your answer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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        Screw the statistics.

        What some geeky yet well-meaning people think shouldn't be important to you. If you have the enthusiasm and work ethic you can have anything and everything you want. You weren't born to be a statistic. You were born to contribute something wonderful to the World. And if that's part of your Internet Marketing business, or if your Internet Marketing business brings you closer to that, then all the better.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaaball
    Jason,

    Should we PM you to learn more? You haven't really pointed us in the direction of the 0.1% Unless, we are supposed to follow your link.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by aaaball View Post

      Jason,

      Should we PM you to learn more? You haven't really pointed us in the direction of the 0.1% Unless, we are supposed to follow your link.
      No please don't PM me or try to find the .1%. Stick to trash talking. You're good at it.
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    Having a solid net business model to begin with solves a lot of problems.

    Newbies only have a few good choices easiest for newbies such as...

    - Niche Affiliate Model
    - CPA Model
    - Adsense Model

    Newbies shouldn't bother trying to sell "how to make money" stuff and that will increase their chances of success.

    A lot of the supposed and real newbie confusion comes about because there are so many methods of generating visits and many newbies get net business models confused with traffic generation.

    But if newbie selects a proven net biz model, it will cut down on lots of confusion.

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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by TLTheLiberator View Post

      Newbies shouldn't bother trying to sell "how to make money" stuff and that will increase their chances of success.
      True. However, I think newbies who want to be in the IM niche would do better if they sold services to marketers and rights to content and what not.

      ...As for a business model, yeah, that'll definitely help keep focused on a solid gameplan day-to-day.

      I find the biggest problem newbies have is that... well, they're newbies. They make beginner mistakes all the time. They should want to study like they're getting their PHD.
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  • Profile picture of the author rjg
    Hey everyone,

    The only REAL way to succeed online is to follow someone (or a group) of successful individuals - obviously if they are successful online then they must KNOW what they are doing or know someone who knows what they are doing.

    "Identify and align" as my friend Tom Beal says.

    Internet marketing is just a numbers game (like any business)

    In IM leverage is a MASSIVE part of the jigsaw. Levergaing other top marketers WILL make you successful in time.

    ...OK, there is work that goes with this, but you would STILL have to do all the SAME work without the leverage - and it would take you longer to achieve ANY form of success to measure and scale up.

    Then again, some of the top marketers were ALREADY successful in OTHER areas BEFORE IM, so who knows if it is the real secret.

    However, everyone online is chasing a dream, the success the money all that stuff... and as internet marketers we all "sell to" OTHER internet marketers anyway - they are our audience... whether they are newbys or not. Along with time COMES results and PROOF and if you are any kind of ethical marketer you would use it. I do.

    All that matters is expert perception to your audience from the outset, a good product that makes others want to promote, momentum, scalability and did I forget - the LIST.... but as we are ALL marketers as I said before - don't we know this anyway?

    Just my 2 cents.

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  • Profile picture of the author aaaball
    I am not trash talking. Please give me more information.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by aaaball View Post

      I am not trash talking. Please give me more information.
      Okay. Here's what I would do if I were stuck in a rut...

      1) Learn your principles from Jay Abraham and Dan Kennedy.

      2) Learn your internet marketing/internet sales strategies and tactics from Matt Bacak and Michel Fortin.

      There are others you can learn from, but I can't see a better gameplan.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaaball
    Thank you. I will check it out.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by aaaball View Post

      Thank you. I will check it out.
      No problem. Sorry I thought you were trash talking. heh...
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas
    Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

    ...If roughly 95% of internet marketers aren't making even a sale a week, why do you do what they do?
    I, too, am wondering how you know this?

    I'm guessing you just plucked it out of thin air in order to make your point. Nothing wrong with that but, on the other hand, if it's actually a statement of fact, where does it come from?

    Tommy.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

      I, too, am wondering how you know this?

      I'm guessing you just plucked it out of thin air in order to make your point. Nothing wrong with that but, on the other hand, if it's actually a statement of fact, where does it come from?

      Tommy.
      It's an educated guess. Take a look around.

      Why would you think it's any lower than 95%?

      Think about all of the millions of blogs out there that get 30 hits a week or less. I bet my right arm that those marketers alone verses successful marketers make up that 95%.

      ...If you know a real stat, then go ahead and prove me wrong.

      All I know is the point of this thread is to quit following the herd when the herd isn't doing so well to say the least. Who cares about the dumb stat.
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      • Profile picture of the author Thomas
        Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

        Some stats you just know from observation.
        Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

        It's an educated guess. Take a look around.

        Why would you think it's any lower than 95%?

        Think about all of the millions of blogs out there that get 30 hits a week or less. I bet my right arm that those marketers alone verses successful marketers make up that 95%.

        ...If you know a real stat, then go ahead and prove me wrong.
        Well, why would you think it's not lower than 95%? Your "observations" may not be the same as the observations of others. I have no use for your right arm but I don't know how to "prove" a supposition wrong anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
          Originally Posted by Thomas View Post

          Well, why would you think it's not lower than 95%? Your "observations" may not be the same as the observations of others. I have no use for your right arm but I don't know how to "prove" a supposition wrong anyway.
          I thought your cartoon face could... mean you're a cannibal.

          ...It doesn't have to do with "my observations."

          Here's an example of how few internet marketers are even making any money on the net...

          There were 15.5 million active blogs in 2007 With 15.5 Million Active Blogs, New Technorati Data Shows that Blogging Growth Seems to be Peaking - BusinessWeek

          Imagine how many there are now.

          Are you trying to tell me that over 5% of these marketers are making a sale or more per week or the equivalent from pay-per-click ads?
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            But the point is that there is not enough information to draw a conclusion.

            The 95% is quoted by MLM's, make money promoters, and on forums - and has been for years. It was quoted in 2000 when I started - but we don't know what the numbers really are.

            It's a "fear factor" number - "join my program and be in the 5%":p

            Oh, wait, I don't have a make money program. Never mind.
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          • Profile picture of the author Thomas
            Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

            I thought your cartoon face
            That's a real photograph. Are you calling me cartoonish!? Why I've never been so insulted in my life! ()

            Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

            Are you trying to tell me that over 5% of these marketers are making a sale or more per week or the equivalent from pay-per-click ads?
            I don't know... but neither do you. As Kay said, there isn't enough information available to say either way.
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          • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
            Hi Jason

            Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

            Here's an example of how few internet marketers are even making any money on the net...

            There were 15.5 million active blogs in 2007 With 15.5 Million Active Blogs, New Technorati Data Shows that Blogging Growth Seems to be Peaking - BusinessWeek

            Imagine how many there are now.

            Are you trying to tell me that over 5% of these marketers are making a sale or more per week or the equivalent from pay-per-click ads?
            Not all bloggers are internet marketers. They can only be described as such, if they're consciously monetizing their sites.

            Of course, if it is your aim to make a living selling products online and you were indeed not making even one sale per week (unless your product has a very high profit per sale), then you certainly should be examining your business model.

            If that's what you meant in your OP, then that's sound advice.


            Frank

            PS I'm a bit puzzled as to the title of this thread..(?)
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            • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
              Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

              PS I'm a bit puzzled as to the title of this thread..(?)
              Just means run away from all the bull that 95% (or whatever) of internet marketers are doing because you'll certainly "die" if you do what the masses are doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author tremayne
    Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

    Here's something I think some IMers need to hear.

    ...If roughly 95% of internet marketers aren't making even a sale a week, why do you do what they do?

    If you're one of them, why do you keep doing what you're doing?

    Albert Einstein said "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

    If you want to continue failing, then walk with all the sheep. If you want to break through and grow an internet business fast, then start doing what the top .1% of internet marketers are doing.
    Hi Jason! Yeah, I'm one of 'em.

    I have been working on my project for three years full time, seven days a week, 14 to 16 hours a day. (Thank God I have a pension!)

    I know the definition of insanity, but I am not doing the same thing. As time passes, I learn and improve and I get closer to my goal. I expect to launch in March with a WSO to see if I can find some interested JV partners or affiliates. A public launch will follow shortly after that.

    If I fail? The product has, IMHO, unbeatable quality and value, so failure will mean I have still more to learn. Besides, this is not entirely about money, a lot has to do with helping young adults because I am uniquely qualified and able to do so. Failure will mean going back to the drawing board and trying again, but still with the same product.

    You see, I have total faith in the product and in what I'm trying to do. As Robert the Bruce said of the spider, "If at first you don't suceed, try, try, try again."

    Besides, I'm not just determined, I'm stubborn!

    Too many people give up without knowing the finish line is just around the next corner. No one ever said it has to be easy!

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  • Profile picture of the author andrewharrison
    I see that every IM person is selling the same old rhetoric. . ."How To Make Money. . ." I always wonder. . . Are people really so gullible as to keep on buying, "How To Get Rich Online. . ."

    I guess it all boils down to the nature of humans. . . We all want an automated cash generating web site that brings us BIG CASH. The real problem is that FEW people really ever figure out the secret.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      picking tips and tricks from several threads and combining them make up my own strategy for now.
      You get the trophy - that's EXACTLY what you do. You watch others and learn from them but trying to emulate exactly what someone else did is pointless. Take what YOU need, put those bits and pieces together in a way that suits YOU.

      Learn from others, develop your own judgment so you know when you are being "informed" and when you are being "sold to" - take what works for you and use it.

      The 95% has been quoted ad nauseum for years - I doubt if anyone knows where it originally came from or if it is based on any real statistical analysis. The failure rate in IM is high - but that may be simply because there is no barrier to entry. In a field where anyone breathing can join - a high failure rate is not surprising.

      I see that every IM person is selling the same old rhetoric.
      Not true. To me, internet marketing is any type of business where you are selling something online. It may have nothing to do with "make money" niche at all. It's easy to think that on a forum like this because it does appeal to the "make money" crowd.

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    • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
      Originally Posted by andrewharrison View Post

      I see that every IM person is selling the same old rhetoric. . ."How To Make Money. . ." I always wonder. . . Are people really so gullible as to keep on buying, "How To Get Rich Online. . ."

      I guess it all boils down to the nature of humans. . . We all want an automated cash generating web site that brings us BIG CASH. The real problem is that FEW people really ever figure out the secret.
      Sir,

      What secret do you refer to?

      Successful online business is a process.

      The process starts with the person selecting an online business model.

      Then, getting a step by step plan for the model.

      Then, actually doing the steps in the plan.


      About your mention of a secret...

      There are secrets such as super duper services and advanced techniques that not a lot of people know about.

      But the essence of successful online business is very simple and your mention of "the secret" makes me think of how so many people are looking for some type of "magic bullet" that they're never going to find.

      Start with a income model and vanquish the confusion.

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    • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
      Originally Posted by andrewharrison View Post

      I see that every IM person is selling the same old rhetoric. . ."How To Make Money. . ." I always wonder. . . Are people really so gullible as to keep on buying, "How To Get Rich Online. . ."
      Nope, they're just filling a well established
      demand for.. oh wait.. you already said it..

      I guess it all boils down to the nature of humans. . . We all want an automated cash generating web site that brings us BIG CASH. The real problem is that FEW people really ever figure out the secret.
      I wouldn't necessarily agree with "we all want"
      but there is a very high demand from people
      who want to make money online.

      In such a big market it's becoming increasingly
      difficult to determine which products offer real
      value and which are all sizzle and no substance.

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  • Profile picture of the author eXtreme Success
    When I first started learning about real estate investing I bought courses and went to seminar by the trainers who were SHOUTING the loudest... I'm the best learn from me. Often these were also the most expensive courses or seminars so I tought they must be the best.

    Boy was I wrong.

    What I discovered is the best training comes from the person with the MOST YEARS of real "in the trenches" experience.

    And that is not the person who had one or two good years, then decided to make their living selling products or teaching seminars.

    To find the people you can trust, look for how many years someone has been in business using the same strategies.

    I know a guy who has been in business 2 years and bought 1500 apartment units. He thinks he is a genius.

    And now he wants to sell his "system" and start teaching seminars.

    Yep - he sounds very impressive but the reality is that in less than two years he will probably lose every one of those units because he bought them with BAD LOANS that adjust in 18 months.

    With the current market conditions, there's no way he will be able to refinance and there's no way he can sell.

    So -- don't follow the one hit wonder!

    They are a dime a dozen. Here today -- gone tomorrow.

    Look for YEARS and YEARS of experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author shoothuntfish
    i must be honest im newish been at it under a year and now have the two sites goin and hopfully anouther two goin by the end of this month if i put my back into it. i only listen to one person cause i know his backround as a marketer and he is very good and helps me heaps but i am now feeling somthing forming
    that i am buiding fantastic feeling
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post


    If you want to continue failing, then walk with all the sheep. If you want to break through and grow an internet business fast, then start doing what the top .1% of internet marketers are doing.
    How do you know who the top .1% are doing
    and if 95% are failing, what are the 4.9% of
    the internet marketers that you haven't
    accounted for doing?

    You make an excellent point but your "statistics"
    have distracted people from the crux of your
    message.

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Anna Johnson
    Here's the first mistake I see a lot of new people make: "buying a system" instead of "building a business."
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    • Profile picture of the author Dmitry
      Originally Posted by Anna Johnson View Post

      Here's the first mistake I see a lot of new people make: "buying a system" instead of "building a business."
      Actually... I learned sometime ago that systems are just like genius and god - you just "get them" at some point - they can't be taught, nor given, nor learned... you just "get it" one day and follow your gut.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oliver Hart
    Hi.

    Don't let us turn this into a discussion whether it is 95% or 99,9% who is failing. That is as stupid as when the professors are discussing whether we use 1% or .1% of our brain.

    For me it is more than enough to know that I have a huge potential in unused brain capacity.

    Back to the topic. I believe we can agree on the fact that most of the people who try to make money online fail doing so.

    Jason have a excellent point when he states that if you fail, you need to take another direction.

    The sad part in this, the way I am seeing it, is that I believe that the biggest reason for failure is the fact that mostly of the people don't do anything in fear of failing instead of doing something wrong they can correct.

    The reason for this fear is that they enter this arena at a wrong personal time.

    They seek out this opportunity when they are desperate, and want a quick fix to their money problem.

    When they are desperate for money, they don't have the time to do mistake, and they know it, and because of this they don't do anything as a safe method of not spoiling their time in failure.

    When they finally take some sort of action, they jump into the first quick fix they find, using their last money on something they probably know before they jump that is too good to be true.

    When they get the evidence that this was a wrong path, they start to complain of the situation they are in, and are even more desperate then they was before. An endless circle.

    If you want to make money online there are fast methods and slow, but more stable, methods.

    What you need is a clear head, and a battle plan created of a strong marked analyze of your marked.

    I believe this is the only way to success online or offline, beside the ability to take action on it as well.

    Find out what you want, create a plan against it, take action. If you fail, tweak it, and do it all over again until you make it.

    Take care.

    Kindly regards,

    Oddvar M.
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    Hei,
    Like Zig Ziglar sayd, "Your business is never really good or bad out there. Your business is either good or bad right between your own two ears". It means your potential is not in some new system, but your true potential is inside you. You need to recognize it and make it work for you. Many newbyes think that they purchase one IM product and this will make them rich. Because all the gurus say, get this and make ton's of money. This is why so many newbyes fail, they don't get fast results and quit. Also 95% of the man don't know how to approach ladyes properly, that does not mean they should change orientation
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