Just got a legal threat and I've done nothing wrong!!

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Well, I purchased some domains on GoDaddy just a couple weeks ago and today I get this nice email:

Hello,
I noticed thatyou purchased this domain name. I need to tell you that I have the name XXXXXXXXXXXXX registered as a business name. The name as it reads is incorporated that way. If you use this site name as your website, I will proceed with legal action for intellectual property infringement.
I will continue to check back for updates.


Geez... she could have been nicer about it, don't you think? Why didn't she just offer to buy the domain from me? I haven't done anything with it yet.

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  • Profile picture of the author Invert Planet
    LOL!!
    maybe the reply should read: "I am willing to release the domain for $xxx" If you are so inclined you may reach me at xxxxxx"

    Good way to flip a site
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    • Profile picture of the author Looking4Mentor
      Originally Posted by Invert Planet View Post

      LOL!!
      maybe the reply should read: "I am willing to release the domain for " If you are so inclined you may reach me at xxxxxx"

      Good way to flip a site

      I agree with Invert Planet. She threatens if you use the domain name it would be infringement.

      Tell her you will not use it, but will also sit dormant unless she would like to purchase it back from you for the fabulous price of $500.00

      You should look into a business/ corporate attorney for advice. Then tag their bill on to the cost of YOUR domain name and sell it back to this bully... for $750 now. LOL

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Tell her you will not use it, but will also sit dormant unless she would like to purchase it back from you for the fabulous price of $500.00
        And this is WHY you don't take legal advice from forums. Substitute "domain flipping" with "cybersquatting" here. You don't want to go there!

        The premise in the initial post was "she could have been nicer". If you think about it - this person may be warning you before you have put up a site and spent time developing a domain you can't keep.

        Now - the OP can proceed to develop a site and hope for the best only to hear from this person's lawyer...and that letter won't be "nice" either.

        all you have is a threat from some unknown person
        You may have an unresolved issue - but I'm sure the person signed their name and company name.

        Communicate - resolve the issue - before you spend a lot of time on this domain or site. And ignore answers that could cause you real trouble.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ernie Lo
    Originally Posted by kimmurphy View Post




    Geez... she could have been nicer about it, don't you think? Why didn't she just offer to buy the domain from me? I haven't done anything with it yet.

    Well you should know that girls like to over complicate things unnecessarily.

    I guess you need to look at this from a positive view. A good lesson learnt on registering domains, and it only cost you $10.
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  • Profile picture of the author eskimoto
    Originally Posted by kimmurphy View Post

    Well, I purchased some domains on GoDaddy just a couple weeks ago and today I get this nice email:

    Hello,
    I noticed thatyou purchased this domain name. I need to tell you that I have the name XXXXXXXXXXXXX registered as a business name. The name as it reads is incorporated that way. If you use this site name as your website, I will proceed with legal action for intellectual property infringement.
    I will continue to check back for updates.


    Geez... she could have been nicer about it, don't you think? Why didn't she just offer to buy the domain from me? I haven't done anything with it yet.

    can you tell us what is the domain name?
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    Don't take legal advice from a forum
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  • Profile picture of the author Mikaedi88
    Looks like you have somehow purchased someone else's Domain.
    Unless the domain in question is an expired one and GoDaddy placed it for sale, this lady may have not been aware of the expiry.
    Just a thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    IANAL - maybe Brian Kindsvater will stop by and give you the real answer. My first reaction is that, unless she has trademarked the name for use in your country then she can do nothing about it. There are billions of businesses around the world and many have the same name.

    For example - a colleague and I have trademarked the name of a geo-specific site in the UK and Europe. Doesn't mean that someone can't use the same name elsewhere, though. At least, that's how I understand it.

    I have a feeling she's blowing hot air. I'd start by offering to sell her the domain. If she doesn't buy it, then I'd ignore her and see what she does next.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Originally Posted by kimmurphy View Post



    Geez... she could have been nicer about it, don't you think? Why didn't she just offer to buy the domain from me? I haven't done anything with it yet.

    Because if she has a valid case/point, she doesn't have to purchase it from you, she can just take it. My company has done this several times.

    Now, whether she has a case or not remains to be seen but I'd just chalk it up to a learning experience and move on. I must say, though, that the fact that she says she will check back for updates makes me think she is just making threats. Otherwise, she would have demanded the domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    So google her exact domain name and see if it's even online first off - then go do a trademark search for yours.

    A trademark doesn't have to be registered to be effective. If someone has a TM on their site and have been actually using the name, they can claim trademark on it and in a dispute will be given first rights in most situations.

    I'm starting to wonder if the only search anyone ever does for their domain names is to see if the domain is open or not. Does anyone EVER look for trademarks before they buy a domain? I see people on here sweating over trademarks all the time. It seems like doing that type of due diligence would just be part of a normal business procedure.
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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      I'm also wondering why she found out so fast that you had purchased the name, especially since you say you have done nothing with it yet. Could she possibly be just lurking, searching periodically for causes to contest.

      If I were you, I would very carefully check the validity of her claim. Maybe she's just another marketer trying to snatch a good name from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    You would need to ask a lawyer concerning your domain name and it completely depends on what you planned to do with it. If what you planned to do with it could be confusingly similar to what her company does, there could be a problem. If not, she could have no legal standing.

    She does not need a registered trademark to have the trademark. First use in commerce rules apply, but there are many examples of companies having the same name and the same trademark, but in completely different markets.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoeHughes
    If you're not particularly attached to the domain sell it to them. It's not worth the hassle. I had the same situation with a PR4 domain I bought and I ended up selling it back to them for a $200 profit. I could have fought it but I would rather spend my time building my business rather than having an argument with some high priced lawyer.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by JoeHughes View Post

      If you're not particularly attached to the domain sell it to them. It's not worth the hassle. I had the same situation with a PR4 domain I bought and I ended up selling it back to them for a $200 profit. I could have fought it but I would rather spend my time building my business rather than having an argument with some high priced lawyer.
      She didn't offer to buy it and didn't show any interest in buying it. She just made a threat, which she actually had not much standing to make until she saw how the domain was going to be used.
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      • Profile picture of the author igorGriffiths
        I would recommend replying and asking for clarification on her intellectual rights and their jurisdiction.

        Until she comes back with a legally correct notification, I would put this domain to one side and focus on other things

        Good reminder for us all to get a legal advisor on standby for just this type of event, will have to get that sorted.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    ... I'd just say 'Calm ya brow... and jog on!'.

    If the name is Trademarked then you may not be able to use it.. although I don't think that you would necessarily need to give the domain away. I knew an intellectual property right lawyer in the UK who had the same problem with a Trademarked brand that 'he' owned. I remember at the time that he said 'they wouldn't be able to do anything with it. I'm not sure whether he was able to legally obtain that domain name?!
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    • Profile picture of the author davezan
      Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

      I'd start by offering to sell her the domain. If she doesn't buy it, then I'd ignore her and see what she does next.
      Be aware that trying to sell a domain name bearing its trademark namesake to its
      mark holder is a ground for cybersquatting. Assuming, of course, that person or
      so has indeed established trademark rights for the term/s in question.

      Kimmurphy,

      Without necessarily stating what the name is, how unique is it? What made you
      register it? Does it consist of common words used together (e.g. Microsoft) or a
      made-up one like, say, Google? (and yes, there's that Googol thing...)

      Trademarks aim to prevent consumer confusion, not establish like carte blanche
      on any and all variations of it for any use or context whatsoever. But the more
      unique and famous the mark, the more difficult it'll be to use that domain name
      even in a different sense apart from what that trademark is normally known for.

      Unfortunately there are indeed people out there who nonetheless believe having
      a trademark gives them some "magical claim" towards a domain name bearing it,
      even if it'll especially be used in a non-infringing or non-commercial way. A quick
      Google search might give you some answers as to the party in question.

      So the essential question here, really, is does that party indeed have trademark
      rights to that term/s your domain name has? TMs don't have to be registered to
      exist as others said, although it's usually a challenge demonstrating common law
      trademark usage depending on a bunch of things.

      And as stated before, don't seek so-called legal advice in an online forum. That's
      something only a lawyer with real-world experience is truly qualified to give.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnweyer
    If I had an incorporated business with the phrase .com in its name, I sure as heck would have registered the url. I would not be surprised if they send that letter out to anyone who buys a domain but I don't know what the scam is.
    When the domain expired, the hosting (if any) might not have. Godaddy would have changed the DNS but google has a cache of the site (if there was one). Check the cache file(i forgot how to do this); if the site had a lot of traffic or high PR I would offer to sell back the name. They probably owned it in the first place.
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  • Profile picture of the author jigney
    just ignore , what was he doing when domain name was available?
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    • Profile picture of the author davezan
      Originally Posted by jigney View Post

      just ignore
      This, one should definitely ignore. I realize one usually is trying to be helpful, but
      it is not always a good idea to ignore a legal threat without consulting someone
      who handles these things for a living.
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  • Profile picture of the author adnadn
    Probably the woman was just bored at work...and wanted to get some action, thats why he did this. My opinion is: relax dudeeeeee
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  • Profile picture of the author richardpm
    Hmmm I actually found myself in a similar situation this year, however the company involved essentially purchased the domain from me after making the threat, I ended up with 175 x times what I paid for the domain only a few short months before!

    It really should be that if a "Company" has a trademark etc then when registering a domain for that company or trademark they should be required to register ALL INSTANCES AND VARIATIONS or the domain this would save all of these types of issues - in my case the company would have saved themselves over $3k

    My advice is to very carefully query her about her company or trademark when you are able to, do some research on her company/trademark and judge for yourself whether she is actually able to make good on her threat, if she then get some legal advice - use a FREE Legal like or website.

    If she actually wants to persue it post her emails to you openly on Facebook even her business page if necessary (I did this) she may change her tune and contact you via phone to try and make some arrangement for her to "aquire" the domain to avoid being made to look like a bully or bad guy/gal - in my case I had actually built the website before this company did so when they launched theirs it couldn't outrank my website - it also meant that all their advertising was advertising my site - it was only a content website with adsense on it - but I made something $30 in the space of a few hours when they did their launch!

    Anyway just get a feel of how likley they are to carry out their threat - if it seems likely - then get some legal advice - try like in my case to shame them into contacting you to settle as it will likely cost them a lot more to go through the courts just to obtain the name.

    Don't Fret over it too much until you get a letter from their lawyer though!
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    • Profile picture of the author davezan
      Originally Posted by richardpm View Post

      It really should be that if a "Company" has a trademark etc then when registering a domain for that company or trademark they should be required to register ALL INSTANCES AND VARIATIONS or the domain this would save all of these types of issues
      If you have a company yourself, go ahead and register, say, 1,000 domain name
      variations of your trademark and see if spending for that makes practical sense.
      On that note, between spending $8,000 ($8 x 1000 names) a year and sending a
      C&D letter to those whose domain names potentially infringe your mark, which of
      the two is more practical and doesn't cost as much?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by richardpm View Post

      It really should be that if a "Company" has a trademark etc then when registering a domain for that company or trademark they should be required to register ALL INSTANCES AND VARIATIONS or the domain this would save all of these types of issues
      Brands do not have to register thousands of junk domains to protect their trademark. Owning the trademark is protection enough. They can easily send a cease and desist to any infringers and can pursue a UDRP or lawsuit if they need to.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    I am not a lawyer but you can check if there is a U.S. trademark here:

    Trademark Search - TESS
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The message says the name is "registered" so that's where you start.
      Search to see if the name is trademarked.

      You don't ignore the email - you don't assume right or wrong on your part or that person's part....you check it out to see IF there is a trademark registered or not. If you can't find one registered for that name - you ask the person who contacted you to provide you with proof of registration.

      Legal advice on a forum is worth less than 2 cents But you can check for trademark in a couple minutes.

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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        The message says the name is "registered" so that's where you start.
        Search to see if the name is trademarked.

        You don't ignore the email - you don't assume right or wrong on your part or that person's part....you check it out to see IF there is a trademark registered or not. If you can't find one registered for that name - you ask the person who contacted you to provide you with proof of registration.

        Legal advice on a forum is worth less than 2 cents But you can check for trademark in a couple minutes.

        kay
        She doesn't have to have a registered trademark. First use in commerce qualifies as a trademark.

        C. Using a Mark

        1. How do I establish my right to use a mark?

        Usually within the United States, trademark rights are reserved to either the first party to have begun publicly using the mark, or the first party to file an application with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, whichever occurs first. The most typical means of public use is the sale of a product or service bearing the mark. Other acceptable means may include product display or distribution of literature at a trade show, a presale announcement, display on a Web site, or soliciting and accepting customer orders. LawTroves - Law Resources on the Internet
        At this time, all you have is a threat from some unknown person. She has not proven rights to the name, and as mentioned before, until she knows how you intended to use it, she has no idea whether or not it would actually be an infringement on her trademark if she has a trademark.

        Only a lawyer can figure it out for you, but I would insist that she prove her rights to the name.
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  • Profile picture of the author john_kennedy
    I've had to go after people violating my trademark and I didn't do it via email. The violator received a letter from my attorney that was sent via registered, receipt requested snail mail. A copy was also sent to their domain registrar asking that the website (which was a complete duplicate of mine) be shutdown. Everyone complied and I had to take no further action.
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  • Profile picture of the author SunnyDelight
    Jeez this is an interesting case. I do suggest you get some real legal help. That most likely would be your best bet!
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  • Profile picture of the author Russell Barnstein
    Fact: You don't need to do ANYTHING to "register" a trademark OR a copyright. It doesn't need to be listed anywhere, you don't need to pay or fill out a form or do anything whatsoever to get it. For copyrights, simply produce the work and publish it and the copyright is your. For trademark, simply be the first business or organization to use the TM in YOUR INDUSTRY and the TM is yours.

    Discard most of the advice here and contact a lawyer. Any business that knew what they were doing would not have sent the email that she sent; especially not without verifying your intent.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraser SellHealth
    sell it to them , or tell them to come after you , because if you arent doing anything with it ( which i would suggest )they cant do anything, then sell it to them for a generous price or they can spend 100* more on legal fees, balls in their court, 99% of the time these emails are just scare tactics
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  • Profile picture of the author Techono
    Very interesting thread. Sounds to me like the lady is trying to use scare tactics,
    and scam the domain name from you.
    Perhaps she really does have a business name that is the same or similar, and didn't renew the domain name in the time allowed, and GoDaddy had the DN and placed it
    for sale, and then you purchased it. (obviously)
    The lady realised that she has "lost" the DN and wants it back but not pay for it again, as it is "HER" domain.
    However, as you and others have pointed out, she could have been a bit more polite.
    I agree with the other Warriors and suggest you do indeed contact a legal representative in your local area.

    I have had a similar situation, I had a business name for years, and a domain name to suit. I stopped that business and De-registered the business name, but kept the domain name active. I went to re-activate the business name again, and found someone else had registered it. I contacted them and politely enquired if I could have/buy back the name, and they became rather defensive, with a myriad of reasons to not sell/give me the business name.
    I advised them of the domain name that I have, and they DEMANDED I GIVE it to THEM, as they have the business name now. I offered to sell the DN to them, but no settlement was forthcoming.
    Long story short (at last) They cannot register/use the DN, and I can't use the exact same business name, however, I can register a similar bus., name.
    (I have the DN registered under most types of dot com, net, etc.)

    OOOOOHH I can be such a b.....

    Have a nice day
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Techono View Post

      Very interesting thread. Sounds to me like the lady is trying to use scare tactics,
      and scam the domain name from you.
      Perhaps she really does have a business name that is the same or similar, and didn't renew the domain name in the time allowed, and GoDaddy had the DN and placed it
      for sale, and then you purchased it. (obviously)
      The lady realised that she has "lost" the DN and wants it back but not pay for it again, as it is "HER" domain.
      Mark
      Just to be clear ... yes, he should verify that the woman owns a company that is currently doing business with that name, BUT

      She does not have to have an online business at all AND
      If she is the first person/company to use that name in commerce, she can claim the Trademark due to "First Use in Commerce". She actually doesn't have to register the trademark, although it helps a great deal in cases that go to court.
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