Claims in WSOs - What Gives?

Actually Donald Trump has a few books on kindle for less than $10.

But I agree with you on the other points. People still seem to believe that their computer is a cash machine - it can be but only if you put the work in first.

WSO's are what they are - a way to market information or services to warriors and other people outside of the Warrior forum. You have to be careful but you can also learn a lot from the wso section. You can learn about headlines, marketing and sometimes what not to do or how not to act.

What I do, is have a look at the WSO section and look for reviews by people I trust. People I know that wouldn't look at something or comment on it without it being a good deal. For example, if Andy says something was good I would buy it. There are some other warriors that just release stuff and I buy it without reading the sales page. Example - Jack Duncan.

There are some wsos that are fantastic products, there are others that are pure drivel.

But there are also warriors who will buy fantastic products, let them rust on their computer and then complain that they are not making any money:rolleyes:

I think the mods do a fantastic job. If you buy a product and it is crxp then tell the rest of the WF by posting on the WSO thread. We are all adults and business people (supposed to be anyway!) so we should be able to take care of ourselves. The mods aren't babysitters.

There are some great WSO's that really work. Unfortunately you also find more hype than you will find just about anywere else.

Like the headlines how you can get 50 new clients in 24 hours. If someone actually tries it and doesn't get any clients, you find out that it's based on how someone sent out 2 emails and by chance got one client. So of course they have a 50% success rate. So if they reason if they sent out 100 emails then of course in 24 hours you'll have 50 new clients all throwing money at you begging you to take it :rolleyes:

the thing is that its not up to allen says or anyone else for that matter to decide IF they want to follow the laws of the land. sure they have the option not to do so, but they then must accept the punishment for not doing so.

now i am certainly not indicating i want the ftc to have more control, but i am saying that if those of us law abiding citizens have to play by the rules, then others should be made to as well.

you dont have to like the law, but it is the law. a law which everyone must follow.

Laws keep tightening on unscrupulous vendors for the very reason you just pointed out. There will always be people who can be taken advantage of, as you say. It is for those wise to these tactics to do all they can to protect those who cannot protect themselves. And if laws are in place to prevent the type of shenanigans that are clearly going on in the WSO section of this site, why are they not being adhered to?

My question is more rhetorical than anything. Nobody needs to point out to me the ways of the world.

I don't know anyone here, but I did try to back off my initial statement and mentioned that there did appear to be offers in the WSO that weren't so shockingly laughable in their audaciousness and insolence.

I didn't perk back up again until you mentioned that many of these offers are not following the letter of the law. That got my attention. It's not bad enough that people have to muddle their way through offers that bend the rules of the law, but they also have to make their way through a minefield of offers that do not even adhere to the laws of the country in which this site operates. And nobody has the slightest bit of sympathy for those who get ripped off under these conditions. That's just the way it is, life in the big city, hard knocks, and this sort of thing.

What's up with that?

Reminds me of a book I once read called You Got Nothing Coming.

Joe, This is the part that WSO sellers should be required to print out, sign, and fax to Allen before any offer is allowed to be posted.

You would not believe the number of times in a month that we see sellers talking to other members like they owned the place, or mentioning how much money they spend with the forum. What they don't get is that the mods don't care how much they spend if they're breaking the rules. We're not supposed to care. And if they're not breaking the rules, it doesn't matter.

Paying for a War Room membership gets you extra privileges and access. It doesn't make you any less subject to the rules. In fact, it adds rules you have to follow.

Do they not "get" that the rules for WSO sellers wouldn't apply to them at all if they weren't War Room members? This isn't exactly rocket science, after all.

Another reason for the outrageous claims is that some people have found they can make a lot of money here, with no other actual business activity at all, if they can be loud enough. As an example, there was a guy a while back who was selling a system he guaranteed would generate $WXYZ per month on auto-pilot. It got shut down for something unrelated to the claims, and he had the lack of wit to inform me that the WSO was his only source of income...

Oh?

First: Not my business. Don't break the rules and that doesn't become an issue.

Second: Everyone associated with this place has said for years that you should NEVER depend solely on this forum, or any other single point of failure, for your income.

Third: Why would he think that telling me he was lying in his offer would get it re-opened?

Doh!

Interestingly, he had a whopping great batch of positive reviews for the product from known members of the group. For all I know, the thing may have worked. But he wasn't doing it, and he was using income claims to get people to buy.

That's another thing you should ignore. "Income proof," in the form of screen shots and even videos. They're far too easy to fake. Not only that, they're irrelevant even if they're 100% accurate. They have nothing to do with what results you might generate using the product.

Reporting is the answer to scams. Feedback is the answer to crappy products.

Some people love to shout about how awful the WSO section is, and claim that we delete all negative comments about products. Anyone who's willing to look through the last page of each WSO for the first hundred or so offers will never make that ridiculous claim again.

Or just ask any of the Kool-Aid addicts who demand we let them moderate their own WSO threads...

By the way... If you get a PM from a seller threatening to ban you... Let us know about it. Use the little red triangle at the top right corner of the PM screen to report it. That particular threat warrants an extra special sort of response.

Note: Warning you that a certain behavior is against the rules and that the mods might ban you for it is a different thing. I'm talking here about sellers making threats to ban you directly, or to "have the mods ban you."

If you're abusive to a seller and they speak to you in the same way, you're on your own. But if you speak to a seller politely and they start throwing vulgarities and threats at you, report them.

Sellers: Same thing. You aren't allowed to start abusing the other members, but you're not required to take abuse from them, either. The report PM button works for you, too.

While we're on that point, let's remember that there are some crazy sons of finches on the customer side of things. They expect everything for nothing, demand the seller give them stuff that wasn't promised in order to avoid being targeted by slander attacks, refund and pirate the products, and more. And they're the loudest screamers about how terrible the whole thing is.

Greedy, destructive little narcissists who should be excised from the site like the disease-bearing rodents they are.

If you think that's too strong a sentiment, it's only because you haven't seen these scumbag extortionists in action. If they did offline what they do online, they'd find themselves in jail in very little time at all. Or beaten bloody by an angry merchant.

It cuts both ways, folks. That's why those reviews are so important. They not only warn the other members against bad offers, they protect the good sellers against the lying creeps.


Paul

To hype or not to hype... that is the question.

What offer through yonder forum breaks? 'Tis a WSO and the seller is full of cr@p... me thinks.

Oh WSO, oh WSO... where for art thou WSO?

Alas poor Yahoo... I knew him well.

I'm done.

Sal