Original Content vs. Article Reprints from Article Sites

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by marketingrep4u

I've often heard some say to spin the articles.

I hope you haven't heard some saying that when they're articles that somebody else wrote?! Or at the very least, that if you did, you'd appreciate that that's also known as "theft".

Originally Posted by marketingrep4u

Although many would bring up the duplicate content penalties, it seems redundant, simply because the article directory's sole purpose is to get others to use their articles on their sites. Where is the balance?

Yes, can't argue with you there. That isn't duplicate content. It's syndicated content.

Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All | Internet Marketing and Publishing

I can't answer your question as it relates to AdSense terms of service, Rich, because I know nothing about them.

The SEO benefit to your site, from doing this, would be pretty low (typically not non-existent, as some allege, and obviously there are no "negative effects" for it, as you've wisely realized). But that isn't the purpose of syndicating articles from directories, of course. For SEO benefits, you'd do far better mixing that content with some original content. (I appreciate that this wasn't really your question

).

But whatever you decide to do, don't take other people's articles and spin them!

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marketingrep4u

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I hope you haven't heard some saying that when they're articles that somebody else wrote?! Or at the very least, that if you did, you'd appreciate that that's also known as "theft".

Yes, can't argue with you there. That isn't duplicate content. It's syndicated content.

Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All | Internet Marketing and Publishing

I can't answer your question as it relates to AdSense terms of service, Rich, because I know nothing about them.

The SEO benefit to your site, from doing this, would be pretty low (typically not non-existent, as some allege, and obviously there are no "negative effects" for it, as you've wisely realized). But that isn't the purpose of syndicating articles from directories, of course. For SEO benefits, you'd do far better mixing that content with some original content. (I appreciate that this wasn't really your question

).

But whatever you decide to do, don't take other people's articles and spin them!

Thanks for your quick reply and your insight.

I'm not interested in spinning other people's articles. Although I have The Best Spinner software, my original intent for it's use was to spin PLR articles.

However, simply put, 'spinning' sucks! I hate it and just don't have the patience to do it, especially when it all comes out of the spinner sounding like gibberish. For the amount of time I spent trying to spin a PLR article, I could have written my own and since time is money, I could have paid a wordsmith to write them for me.

I'm going to test the syndicated content method for AdSense.

My theory is that the keyword research is most critical part of any AdSense related niche site.

So, here's what I'm going to do:

Use Market Samurai to tell me what the best keywords are for a given niche.
Buy a keyword loaded domain for the site.
Build a WordPress site using the CTR Theme for AdSense.
Find and publish on my site a syndicated article for each keyword discovered for the niche. Market Samurai will find them for me.
Add the SEO plugins for WordPress.
Install Google Analytics.
Submit an XML Sitemap to Google.
Buy original content articles to use for my online marketing efforts for more link juice utilizing a combination of article marketing, videos, social bookmarks, pinging, RSS directories, etc.
Launch and manage my online efforts utilizing Magic Submitter.
Collect my Adsense revenue.

Although this may 'sound' simple, it still takes a lot of work and testing to make sure it works.

Overall, my intent is to use syndicated content on the site as the main articles and then later add some original content. Using the syndicated content seems to be a faster way to get a site launched and start the marketing process.

Rich

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JohnMcCabe

13 years ago

Rich, back before I lost my Adsense account (by torquing off the wrong people, not by doing something wrong), syndicated articles from directories were the backbone of those sites. I did write some original content, but probably 90% was hand-picked articles offered up by quality writers.

That's the key to making this kind of thing work. Keep your standards high and your focus reasonably tight, and you end up with an authority site that people want to visit because they know they can find good information in one spot.

In the 'golden days' my best site made several hundred dollars per month with around 50 articles posted. That got cut dramatically when Google severed the search network from the content network. You needed more and larger sites to make the same amount of money, but it was still possible. I imagine it still is.

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marketingrep4u

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Rich, back before I lost my Adsense account (by torquing off the wrong people, not by doing something wrong), syndicated articles from directories were the backbone of those sites. I did write some original content, but probably 90% was hand-picked articles offered up by quality writers.

That's the key to making this kind of thing work. Keep your standards high and your focus reasonably tight, and you end up with an authority site that people want to visit because they know they can find good information in one spot.

In the 'golden days' my best site made several hundred dollars per month with around 50 articles posted. That got cut dramatically when Google severed the search network from the content network. You needed more and larger sites to make the same amount of money, but it was still possible. I imagine it still is.

John,

Where did you find the best quality syndicated articles? Ezinearticles.com, Goarticles.com, etc.

Rich

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JohnMcCabe 13 years ago

Originally Posted by marketingrep4u

John,

Where did you find the best quality syndicated articles? Ezinearticles.com, Goarticles.com, etc.

Rich

At the time, EzineArticles.com was the gold standard. You can still find some gems there.

One quick tip - if you find particular writers that suit your needs, don't be afraid to feature multiple articles of theirs. You could also work the whole active syndication gig in reverse. Rather than looking for sites to publish your content, you look for talented writers looking for places to publish their content and become one of those places...
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- Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by hvacyellowpage
  
  Goarticle is very good site for article posting
  
  This thread isn't about "article posting", though. It's about article syndication from article directories. The clue is in the title.
  
  Originally Posted by hvacyellowpage
  
  his admin can be approve article at the spot but article should be unique.
  
  "Unique"? Completely wrong: article directories do not require unique content, and it makes no sense at all to submit any.
  
  Apart from all that, well done and welcome to the Forum.
  
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  JB Jiles Banned 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
  Apart from all that, well done and welcome to the Forum.
  
  That was good for a little laugh and nobody can say it wasn't good natured.
  
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nm5419

13 years ago

Google's Adsense terms of service explicitly states websites displaying Adsense ads must adhere to Google's Webmaster Guidelines, which address Little to No Original Content.

Little or no original content - Webmaster Tools Help

Original content is not spun content, rewritten content, or syndicated content. So unless you want to purposely lose your Adsense account and join the plethora of Adsense rejects (not to mention watch your website disappear into N/A PR hell), I suggest you refrain from filling your website with stuff people have already seen ad nauseum.

They're sick of it, I'm sick of it, and millions of others are sick of it. Do something original and have a purpose.

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marketingrep4u

13 years ago

Originally Posted by nm5419

Google's Adsense terms of service explicitly states websites displaying Adsense ads must adhere to Google's Webmaster Guidelines, which address Little to No Original Content.

Little or no original content - Webmaster Tools Help

Original content is not spun content, rewritten content, or syndicated content. So unless you want to purposely lose your Adsense account and join the plethora of Adsense rejects (not to mention watch your website disappear into N/A PR hell), I suggest you refrain from filling your website with stuff people have already seen ad nauseum.

They're sick of it, I'm sick of it, and millions of others are sick of it. Do something original and have a purpose.

I read through the guidelines from the link you sent. I still don't think that using syndicated content to start with is wrong. In fact, the mere purpose of article sites for the article author is to have his/her article picked up and used on another site to create a back link or build his/her reputation as a writer.

My strategy relies on syndicated content to quickly get the site up and running to start driving revenue. Original content will come in time.

I also think that 'quality' is the key element here. The content that you're sick of is the type of content that I would attempt to stay away from, simply because it is very recognizable within the article directories. Reputable authors aren't hard to find.

In regards to 'doing something original and having a purpose', my purpose is the same as 99.9% of the people that frequent WF and that is to make money. The niches I choose are irrelevant, as long as the keyword selection drives traffic.

Rich

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Ken Marc

13 years ago

Originally Posted by marketingrep4u

Overall, my intent is to use syndicated content on the site as the main articles and then later add some original content. Using the syndicated content seems to be a faster way to get a site launched and start the marketing process.

I guess you should do it in reverse order. That is, original content FIRST, followed by syndicated content. The first and foremost (probably only, as far as SEO goes) advantage of this is that it will provide you with a better crawling rate, crucial for SEO.

Originally Posted by marketingrep4u

I still don't think that using syndicated content to start with is wrong. In fact, the mere purpose of article sites for the article author is to have his/her article picked up and used on another site to create a back link or build his/her reputation as a writer.

My strategy relies on syndicated content to quickly get the site up and running to start driving revenue. Original content will come in time.

The purpose of article directory has no relation to the purpose why adsense exists.

Ken

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Avy Smith

13 years ago

There is no point comparing syndicated content available at Ezine to GoA. Everybody knows Ezine only allows unique content that means the 101% is assured.

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Avy

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Melvolio

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Avy Smith

There is no point comparing syndicated content available at Ezine to GoA. Everybody knows Ezine only allows unique content that means the 101% is assured.

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Avy

EZA allows content that is non-unique as long as it's yours to submit.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Avy Smith

Everybody knows Ezine only allows unique content

It's just not true, Avy.

It's one of the "urban myths" of internet marketing.

All my 1,600+ articles in EZA had been published in various other places (some of them in many other places), in identical form, prior to being submitted there.

EZA themselves specifically invite their authors to submit articles previously published on our own sites (provided they're long enough and comply with the editorial guidelines, obviously). It says so on their site, in their blog, in the introductory emails they send out to new authors, in their article marketing course, and so on.

There are 100+ threads here discussing and clarifying this point, many of them with links to EZA's site, blog and so on. This one will start your collection, if you like.

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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

It's just not true, Avy.

It's one of the "urban myths" of internet marketing.

All my 1,600+ articles in EZA had been published in various other places (some of them in many other places), in identical form, prior to being submitted there.

EZA themselves specifically invite their authors to submit articles previously published on our own sites (provided they're long enough and comply with the editorial guidelines, obviously). It says so on their site, in their blog, in the introductory emails they send out to new authors, in their article marketing course, and so on.

There are 100+ threads here discussing and clarifying this point, many of them with links to EZA's site, blog and so on. This one will start your collection, if you like.

This is probably now out-dated information. I didn't get a chance to post the following on another thread before it was locked. (I forgot to include it)

Google just announced it will be sending duplicate content warnings for doop content across multiple domains. These warnings are sent only through Webmaster Tools, so your site must be "claimed" to get these warnings.

From the well-respected Planet Ocean SEO newsletter:
Search Engine News - SEO Optimization Strategies from Planet Ocean · SearchEngineNews.com

Google has announced they will begin notifying you if and when they make a cross-domain URL decision involving your site. When similar or duplicate content is present across more than one domain, Google chooses one of the URLs to index. When this cross-domain URL decision is made, some of your content may not be getting indexed in favor of another URL.

I wouldn't be surprised that if Google doesn't index a duplicate page, aka a syndicated page, that any links on that page also won't be counted, but I'm just speculating.

And speculating again...This seems to indicate Google is cracking down on syndicated content (as I predicted) and this could have HUGE ramifications on all article directories. Since the point is to submit pages to be picked up by other sites, potentially all articles on a site like EZA will be "duplicate". As Alexa claims above, all of her 1600 articles have been picked up elsewhere. That means every single article she's submitted has doops and it's a guessing game as to the one article Google will count as "The One".

I'm not saying syndication for marketing will be affected, just the linking benefits. The most harm could come to the article directories, as they generate their revenue from Google.

It also seems to lead us to believe that we now should only put original/unique content on our sites and if we choose to syndicate, it should be with content other than we use on our own sites. There will probably be strategies to help ensure Google sees your content as the original, but nothing is for sure, other than not sharing the content you place on your site.

I can also see some black-hatters with well-developed link networks being able to take syndicated content and use their link juice to make it appear their version is the "original".

IMO, it looks like Google is trending away from syndicated/doop content. I wouldn't pay a lot of attention to what has been said in the past, but rather keep a close eye on this potential new development.

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JB Jiles

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

I'm not saying syndication for marketing will be affected, just the linking benefits. The most harm could come to the article directories, as they generate their revenue from Google.

It's difficult to harm something that is not very beneficial to begin with. The link benefits, I'm referring to. I can't see article directories going away for what they are intended to be used for. That's what I'm getting at.

Originally Posted by Kurt

It also seems to lead us to believe that we now should only put original/unique content on our sites and if we choose to syndicate, it should be with content other than we use on our own sites. There will probably be strategies to help ensure Google sees your content as the original, but nothing is for sure, other than not sharing the content you place on your site.

This doesn't make sense to me. Why would a serious article marketer not first post quality content on their own website? This will not change. It goes against reason.

If there is a crackdown of any sort, I'd bet it will be on these blog networks whose home page content changes 400 times a day with 150 word posts, like BMR and the rest of those places.

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Kurt

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JB Jiles

It's difficult to harm something that is not very beneficial to begin with.

This doesn't make sense to me. Why would a serious article marketer not first post quality content on their own website? This will not change. It goes against reason.

If there is a crackdown of any sort, I'd bet it will be on these blog networks whose home page content changes 400 times a day with 150 word posts, like BMR and the rest of those places.

Assuming Google is cracking down on doop content, like GOOGLE claims they are...It doesn't make sense to post content on your own site you will post on other sites. Doesn't matter if it's first, second or 10th. I'm not worried as I never post my own original content on my own sites AND on other sites. You can post your content on your site and others, just don't complain if some site with more authority and link juice gets your content indexed and your content on your own site isn't even indexed.

And a crackdown on doop/syndicated content isn't either/or, it may be both. I wouldn't be surprised if Google doesn't crack down on doop content AND private blog networks, as well as "easy to get" links of all types. However, since Google sent a message about doop content, I'll worry about that first.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

It doesn't make sense to post content on your own site you will post on other sites.

LOL ... as so many people have so repeatedly commented in so many other related threads, you certainly seem to have let something "doop" you, somewhere along the way.

Google differentiates very clearly, and always has done, between duplicate content and syndicated content, and they explain the position expressly on their own WebMaster Central Blog.

I'm increasingly uncomfortable about the proportion of my own time that I spend correcting misinformation planted here, so I'll limit myself to pasting in two of Google's sentences:

1. "Duplicate content doesn’t cause your site to be penalized."

2. "Duplicate content doesn’t cause your site to be placed in the supplemental index."

Google's words - not mine.

Originally Posted by Kurt

I never post my own original content on my own sites AND on other sites.

As JB wisely observes just above, "Why would a serious article marketer not first post quality content on their own website? This will not change. It goes against reason."

Well, sometimes "reason" is exactly what's missing from these threads in which vested interests can pull the wool over people's eyes.

Lay the duplicate content myth to rest once and for all

Authoritative article marketing vs article directory marketing.

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Ralph Moore

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I'm increasingly uncomfortable about the proportion of my own time that I spend correcting misinformation planted here, so I'll limit myself to pasting in two of Google's sentences:

1. "Duplicate content doesn't cause your site to be penalized."

2. "Duplicate content doesn't cause your site to be placed in the supplemental index."

Google's words - not mine.

And some of us are always amazed at your tenacity, Alexa.

We appreciate your clear, concise and practical responses to these oft-repeated challenges to established wisdom.

Thank you.

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JB Jiles

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

You can post your content on your site and others, just don't complain if some site with more authority and link juice gets your content indexed and your content on your own site isn't even indexed.

On this, I will take my chances and will trust in the decisions I have made based on reason, experience, and what I can filter out in places like this.

On that note, check this out. I liked this one and thought I'd post it here just because I can, or until I receive notice to knock this kind of thing off:

"Until one is committed there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back.... Concerning all acts of initiative and creation there is one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then Providence moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never otherwise have occurred. A whole stream of events issue from the decision raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamed would have come his way. Whatever you can do or dream, you can begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it."
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nm5419

13 years ago

Originally Posted by marketingrep4u

I read through the guidelines from the link you sent. I still don't think that using syndicated content to start with is wrong. In fact, the mere purpose of article sites for the article author is to have his/her article picked up and used on another site to create a back link or build his/her reputation as a writer.

Unfortunately, that purpose is not within Google's Webmaster Guidelines, as painfully demonstrated here:

My account was not approved because of unacceptable content? - AdSense Help

and here:

application not approved - Unacceptable site content - AdSense Help

and here:

I really need help on adsense approval. - AdSense Help

and here:

How come my Adsense application been denied due to "Issues" and nothing else stated in email? - AdSense Help

and here:

what is full meaning of Unacceptable site content? plz help me this is for 4 times with me that my blog is not acceptab - AdSense Help

etc., etc.

Originally Posted by marketingrep4u

In regards to 'doing something original and having a purpose', my purpose is the same as 99.9% of the people that frequent WF and that is to make money. The niches I choose are irrelevant, as long as the keyword selection drives traffic

By 'doing something original and having a purpose', I meant doing something that no one else does, and giving people a reason to consult your website (and only your website) for a specific reason. I'm sorry I wasn't clear.

So what can you contribute to the Internet using community? What type of products/services can I get from Rick and only Rick? What will motivate me to send all my friends to fromrickonly.com instead of ezinearticles.com or we-have-the-same-stuff-as-everyone-else-so-whatever-dude.com? Whatever the answers are, they create your purpose.

These cookie-cutter business models aren't going to get you anywhere (as shown above). So start over. Think about those questions and come up with some unique ideas. They don't even have to be good ideas. Hell, people sell plastic poop for God's sake!

Just. Do. Your. Own. Thing. Google loves that.

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marketingrep4u

13 years ago

I found a GREAT video from SEOMOZ about using syndicated content and how to do it effectively:

Leveraging Syndicated Content Effectively for SEO - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz

Enjoy!

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nm5419

13 years ago

Originally Posted by marketingrep4u

I found a GREAT video from SEOMOZ about using syndicated content and how to do it effectively:

Leveraging Syndicated Content Effectively for SEO - Whiteboard Friday | SEOmoz

Enjoy!

Rich

Nice video. Some bits of advice from the presentation that stand out:

1. Acknowledge that syndicated content is a duplicate content problem.
2. Acknowledge syndicated content may not earn SEO traffic.
3. Blocking it from search engines is recommended.
4. It takes more work to make it valuable to your visitors.

Point four barely touches the reputation factor. And personally, I use duplicated content as a poor-quality criteria. When I see it on a website I'm supposed to trust and respect, I'm sorely disappointed.

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Daniel Wilson

13 years ago

Have your content edited by an SEO program. My content writer edits it (I think SEO doctor or something).

It optimizes your content for one keyword.

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BlackRob

13 years ago

Personally speaking I always champion writing the articles yourself, or at the very least outsourcing to write them for you.

I recommend this as that way you have the comfort of knowing that you won't be up in court on a breach of copyright charge.

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nm5419

13 years ago

The entire statements from Google (2007 statements, mind you) are:

1. Duplicate content doesn't cause your site to be penalized. If duplicate pages are detected, one version will be returned in the search results to ensure variety for searchers.

2. Duplicate content doesn't cause your site to be placed in the supplemental index. Duplication may indirectly influence this however, if links to your pages are split among the various versions, causing lower per-page PageRank.

Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: Duplicate content summit at SMX Advanced

As we're keeping things in context here, duplicate content comes with ramifications. Feel free to stubbornly use it at your own peril.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by nm5419

Feel free to stubbornly use it at your own peril.

Feel free, also, stubbornly to appreciate that "syndicated content is NOT duplicate content", however much a tiny minority of people selling spinning software and/or services might like us to imagine that it is.

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nm5419

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Feel free, also, stubbornly to appreciate that "syndicated content is NOT duplicate content", however much a tiny minority of people selling spinning software and/or services might like us to imagine that it is.

Duplicate content generally refers to substantive blocks of content within or across domains that either completely match other content or are appreciably similar. Duplicate content - Webmaster Tools Help

That page ironically addresses the use of syndicated content. Weird tho, how it doesn't address cinnamon apples... or cat food...

Totally weird.

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JohnMcCabe

13 years ago

Originally Posted by nm5419

Duplicate content generally refers to substantive blocks of content within or across domains that either completely match other content or are appreciably similar. Duplicate content - Webmaster Tools Help

That page ironically addresses the use of syndicated content. Weird tho, how it doesn't address cinnamon apples... or cat food...

Totally weird.

From the linked page (the bolding is mine)...

Duplicate content on a site is not grounds for action on that site unless it appears that the intent of the duplicate content is to be deceptive and manipulate search engine results. If your site suffers from duplicate content issues, and you don't follow the advice listed above, we do a good job of choosing a version of the content to show in our search results.

From a pure SEO perspective, which version of an article or other piece of content Google shows may be a consideration. Obviously, we'd all like to be able to spell out exactly what got indexed and ranked. It's also obvious that isn't going to happen.

What Google does not mention is that the version they judge most appropriate may not be the same for all users. Geography, for example, can play a part. They even recommend using TLDs to guide country-specific versions of content. So it isn't totally black and white on this issue.

Given that we aren't going to get our first choice, I'll opt for getting my second one. If I can't show the one on my site, I want users to see MY content, with MY links, even if it is on another site.

Keep in mind that I'm talking about content whose reason for existance is to influence people to visit my sites, join my lists and buy my stuff.

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nm5419

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

From the linked page (the bolding is mine)...

From a pure SEO perspective, which version of an article or other piece of content Google shows may be a consideration. Obviously, we'd all like to be able to spell out exactly what got indexed and ranked. It's also obvious that isn't going to happen.

What Google does not mention is that the version they judge most appropriate may not be the same for all users. Geography, for example, can play a part. They even recommend using TLDs to guide country-specific versions of content. So it isn't totally black and white on this issue.

Given that we aren't going to get our first choice, I'll opt for getting my second one. If I can't show the one on my site, I want users to see MY content, with MY links, even if it is on another site.

Keep in mind that I'm talking about content whose reason for existance is to influence people to visit my sites, join my lists and buy my stuff.

This bears reading again: Duplicate content on a site is not grounds for action on that site unless it appears that the intent of the duplicate content is to be deceptive and manipulate search engine results.

Now what is your strategy again???

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nm5419 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Carolyn4638

I found a GREAT video from SEOMOZ about using syndicated content and how to do it effectively:

Well so did marketingrep4u and some other person who said the same exact thing. Can you do the robot offline as well as you can, online?
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