Article Submissions

12 years ago

The article directories themselves aren't the greatest source for backlinks. Sure, you'll get one for each article you publish, but it will be from a PR0 page. The trick is to use the top article directories as a vehicle to get your articles syndicated. That way, they can get re-published on websites that have more authority, fetching you higher PR links in the process.

If you're looking for automated tools to submit your articles, I wouldn't bother. Most of those tools "blast" your article to 1,000's of different article directories. The problem is that a vast majority of those directories don't get any traffic to speak of (meaning no one will find your article and want to syndicate it). Plus, from an SEO perspective, those teeny-tiny article directories don't get crawled very often either, so you could wind up waiting weeks to get credit for your PR 0 link!

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NetworkCorridor

12 years ago

Nichole I will agree with your comments and welcome all considerations.

There are some article submissions that are automated to specific higher-ranking sites, and will allow you to choose which ones you want to submit to.

Also how much do you think this is a comple waste of time and effort as you support and dirve your traffic to the article directory with your material instead of supporting your own efforts.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by NetworkCorridor

What has worked for you submitting your articles for Back link Juice?

The backlink juice isn't really worth having anywhere you can submit them yourself: those are all non-context-relevant, PR-0 backlinks.

Even before Google's "Panda update" devalued the article directories so much, SEO textbook authors were saying that typically one would need something between 50,000 and 100,000 of those backlinks to confer the same link-juice as one backlink from a relevant authority site.

I've had good link-juice only from syndicating my articles to relevant sites in my niches.

Nobody's submitting to article directories for the "benefit" of their own backlinks. (Well, some people imagine they are, but those are all the people starting off the 100+ threads here with titles like "Article Marketing Is Dead" and so on. That isn't what article directories are there for, and it isn't how they work.)

This little thread will explain it: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ries-work.html

Originally Posted by NetworkCorridor

There are some article submissions that are automated to specific higher-ranking sites.

A very widespread and popular but (sadly) entirely mistaken belief, I'm afraid: there's no such thing as a "higher-ranking site" for the simple reason that websites don't "have page rank": only pages have page rank.

Take Ezine Articles, for example: its own home page has a page rank of 6, but its own home page is not where your articles are published. I have 1,600 articles there, but they're all on PR-0 pages of a non-context-relevant site, just as yours would be. There's no backlink value there, worth talking about. The backlink value that one gets from article marketing comes from the syndication of one's articles from article directories to relevant sites in one's niche, i.e. by using article directories for the purpose they're there for.

Don't imagine that "page ranks" would in themselves make the backlinks particularly valuable, anyway: those days are long gone.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5084431

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Originally Posted by NetworkCorridor

how much do you think this is a comple waste of time and effort

Nobody said that article directories themselves are a complete waste of time and effort.

Article directories can be enormously useful and helpful to an article marketer, if they're used for their intended purpose.

But not trying to use them for their own backlinks and/or their own traffic - that would indeed be a waste of time and effort (as can be seen from all those "Article Marketing Is Dead" threads - that's exactly what all those people have been trying to do). So those automated mass-submission tools are certainly very misguided effort. :p

This post and this post may really help you.

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JB Jiles

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Don't imagine that "page ranks" would in themselves make the backlinks particularly valuable, anyway: those days are long gone.

Most interesting part of this post. If this is the case, many companies who do SEO for their businesses not based on article marketing, for which there must be many, must be revamping their strategies.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by JB Jiles

Most interesting part of this post. If this is the case, many companies who do SEO for their businesses not based on article marketing, for which there must be many, must be revamping their strategies.

A few are, certainly. (Some have said so, very openly).

Many more, I suspect, are still pretending it hasn't all happened, trying to brush aside disimissively all mention of Pandas and any other interesting fauna, and assuming - perhaps not altogether unwisely - that they have another year or two before most of their potential clients realize that page ranks, in the absence of context relevance, really aren't getting them very far.

Google is - to some extent - making it easier for them than it would otherwise be, by not saying quite as clearly as one might wish that "relevance and quality" are all that really matter, these days. Though Matt Cutts, on a good day, certainly doesn't force you to read between the lines too much, to get that message pretty loud and clear, does he?

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JB Jiles

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

A few are, certainly. (Some have said so, very openly).

Many more, I suspect, are still pretending it hasn't all happened, trying to brush aside disimissively all mention of Pandas and any other interesting fauna, and assuming - perhaps not altogether unwisely - that they have another year or two before most of their potential clients realize that page ranks, in the absence of context relevance, really aren't getting them very far.

Google is - to some extent - making it easier for them than it would otherwise be, by not saying quite as clearly as one might wish that "relevance and quality" are all that really matter, these days. Though Matt Cutts, on a good day, certainly doesn't force you to read between the lines too much, to get that message pretty loud and clear, does he?

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ll-matter.html

You push the envelope with things. I see that. Didn't notice this until now.

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Tricerra

12 years ago

I get requests from clients asking me to write an article(s) everyday. These clients often do not want an article but they want specific web content for their site. An article most often opens up the person who reads it to want more information. Web site content should be used when trying to expand on the authority of a site. There is a difference in how and what you write. It takes more time and produces a higher quality score to write topic expanding content rather than writing interest producing pieces.

Once we begin to shift our paradigm away from one form of writing to another we can begin to build long lasting sites that offer solutions that visitors are actually searching fo instead of filling a vast void with useless drivel.

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kposs

12 years ago

I've been doing article submissions since 2008 as a primary source of backlinks. I generally use private blog networks (currently including Unique Article Wizard, Article Ranks and Article Blueprint) rather than article directories.

Distributing articles across independent sites is likely why I saw rankings increase post-Panda.

When I was developing an SEO strategy, I wanted to come up with an approach that did not have a high potential for a negative effect on clients rankings and that would not be easy for Google to summarily disregard in their algorithm. Forum profiles and blog comments have too much of a footprint and I can easily see how Google could summarily devalue them all, so I rejected those as a primary source of links.

With content distribution, assuming there is no footprint from posting the article, it's not easy to distinguish an article posted to a blog from any other page or content posted to a blog. There are other indicators that Google can use to value the link such as the trust/authority of the site where the links reside and the links themselves (anchor text, etc.) but it continues to be a great base for link building.

And I'm still not convinced about only adding links to 'relevant' sites. I tend to go by real world results and those who actually collect and analyze data. Take the 2011 correlation and survey data from SEOMoz. Many of the top ranking factors regarding links for the domain and page are still related to link diversity. Getting relevant links is fine, but in my opinion getting links across more domains/IPs/Class C blocks is just more important.

So, to answer your question, what has worked for me is concentrating on getting links on many unique sites.

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chrissyb

12 years ago

This still confuses me but I've asked about it before and I'm still not totally comfortable I understand. As I see it, the harder it is to submit an article SOMEWHERE the better for SEO. So this excludes article directories.

It seems to be a massive pain to submit to Squidoo and E-zine, but you get better results. And what it is you're submitting? Is it the same article you posted in your blog, a slightly spun, sorry not spun - 'masterfully rewritten' article, or just independent content that points to your site?

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kposs

12 years ago

Originally Posted by chrissyb

And what it is you're submitting? Is it the same article you posted in your blog, a slightly spun, sorry not spun - 'masterfully rewritten' article, or just independent content that points to your site?

I use independent content that points to the site. The content is "masterfully rewritten", but not with software. I have staff rewrite articles sentence-by-sentence. And the ONLY reason I even spin the articles at all is because many publishers believe they need "unique" content. My goal is to get publishers to publish the articles, so I give them what they want.

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NetworkCorridor

12 years ago

Yes, I agree with your post as we do get hung up on the Page rank of a site and forget about its real values based on the page your article is on.

We should be looking to syndicate our articles as it intended uses. And keep in mind the tools that can help you achieve this task can be helpful if you use them and do not abuse them.

As long as your first intended purpose is to deliver high qualified information the rest will follow, and you should see your indexed article begging to show up on other sites, with your intended back link effect.

Thus Article Marketing not SEO applications.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by NetworkCorridor

Looking for WF members to share there over-all consideration. What has worked for you submitting your articles for Back link Juice?

Articles never had much link juice to begin with . If anything they conveyed IP popularity with just a smidgen of link juice. Nothing to speak of.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Don't imagine that "page ranks" would in themselves make the backlinks particularly valuable, anyway: those days are long gone.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5084431

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ll-matter.html

As you will see those links also have responses that debunk that myth. Pagerank is still hugely valuable when it comes to links. Your good at article marketing and syndication but I really wish you would stop pushing that myth of yours about pagerank links. They still have their utility as any real SEO expert will tell you. As I said in another thread where you are pushing this idea - -services like BMR and countless home page services proves you categorically wrong.

Now if you combine Pagerank with relevancy and good content then you have the best of both worlds

but sites still very much move up when you place high pagerank links to them. I do that all the time for my customers as a professional SEO.

In the interest of giving people accurate information instead of distortion I am willing to test that out if you are up to the challenge. We pick someone from this thread and they can choose a keyword and see if adding high pagerank links does not move their site up. Say the word that you are in and will abide by the results and its on.

Proof is in the pudding Alexa - not the rants. When you are ready its a go for me and I'll even send you $100 to your paypal addy if I am wrong and cannot prove my point in this very thread or anyone you pick.

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JB Jiles

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Articles never had much link juice to begin with . If anything they conveyed IP popularity with just a smidgen of link juice. Nothing to speak of.

They still have their utility as any real SEO expert will tell you ... services like BMR and countless home page services proves you categorically wrong.

I haven't used places like BMR, but I have heard decent things about that place. I worry about using such places though. I always get the impression the people deriving the most benefit from services such as these are the providers themselves.

I do know about one guy (who has a blog about his IM exploits) who was using a service here from a guy on this forum, who has boasted of billing $80k per month from naive people here, and had his site completely de-indexed by Google. This service was all he used for backlinking to that site. And, from what I understand, this kind of service is pretty much the same as BMR: just a bunch of blogs with PR 1 and 2 home pages where you article is on the first page for a few days.

But to your point about SEO tactics that don't involve article marketing; obviously there are more than a few methods that work really well and I don't see this changing anytime soon.

If I were selling an SEO service, course or whatever, such as you are, I would stick to my case and not get into it personally with anyone else here over issues, even if you feel provoked. Someone like me, a potential customer, is more inclined to hear what you have to say and offer when this road is taken.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JB Jiles

If I were selling an SEO service, course or whatever, such as you are, I would stick to my case and not get into it personally with anyone else here over issues, even if you feel provoked. Someone like me, a potential customer, is more inclined to hear what you have to say and offer when this road is taken.

HI JB,

Common misconception. I don't take many customers at WF so I don't really see many people here as potential customers. The only thing I offer here was the result of a thread regarding building SEO networks. Several people PMed me and requested I offer something more detailed than the already detailed thread I had participated in. Its for a very select group so don't misunderstand - I mean this in a good way not rude - but It really doesn't matter to me whether something I say inclines people to buy from me or not. Frankly If I gave you my rates and presuming you were like most Warriors you would probably run away. I do however post on principle.

I hate misinformation being given out so its not anything personal at all. Its a matter of illustrating the point that pagerank IS STILL a consideration when it comes to link building and its just plain wrong to say it isn't.

Its that simple whether it inclines or disinclines doesn't really matter

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JB Jiles

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Frankly If I gave you my rates and presuming you were like most Warriors you would probably run away.

I've checked out what you are offering in your signature and, no, I wouldn't run away because of price. I'd run away because I have a general distaste for what is sold on this forum.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

pagerank IS STILL a consideration when it comes to link building

Of course it is, I see and experience evidence of it everyday.

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Mike Anthony

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JB Jiles

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So you have your work cut out for you in terms of taking down this beast! At least in this section of the site you do!

If nothing else, I'm more convinced than ever in the power of numbers!

Go into the SEO section my friend. You will find I care less about numbers, winning or taking down the beast. I'm quite content to just snatch a soul here and there from the burning flames. Fear numbers or popularity? My rod and my staff they comfort me. LOL

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JB Jiles

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Go into the SEO section my friend. You will find I care less about numbers, winning or taking down the beast. I'm quite content to just snatch a soul here and there from the burning flames. Fear numbers or popularity? My rod and my staff they comfort me. LOL

Funny, that was!

Best wishes and kind regards!

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Mike Anthony 12 years ago

Originally Posted by JB Jiles

Funny, that was!

Best wishes and kind regards!

To you to man.
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