Man, I HATE Clickbank.

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Sure. You'll probably tell me: You're doing it wrong. However this was a very simple and straight-forward setup:

Had a reputable company send 2,000,000 e-mails to people who opted-in for Business Opportunities. Yes, they get all kinds of spam but I still consider the hop count decent, albeit a bit lower than I imagined.

Here are the stats:

Hop count: 2,039
Order form impression count: 987
Order form submit count: 1
Sales: 0

0 sales?! You have to be kidding me. Wow. I am just furious. And this is for one of the highest converting ones out there right now.

Think I'm done with Affiliate Marketing at this point. I want more control over my campaigns, rather than sending targeted traffic and crossing my fingers.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

    Sure. You'll probably tell me: You're doing it wrong. However this was a very simple and straight-forward setup:

    Had a reputable company send 2,000,000 e-mails to people who opted-in for Business Opportunities. Yes, they get all kinds of spam but I still consider the hop count decent, albeit a bit lower than I imagined.

    Here are the stats:

    Hop count: 2,039
    Order form impression count: 987
    Order form submit count: 1
    Sales: 0

    0 sales?! You have to be kidding me. Wow. I am just furious. And this is for one of the highest converting ones out there right now.

    Think I'm done with Affiliate Marketing at this point. I want more control over my campaigns, rather than sending targeted traffic and crossing my fingers.
    Gee... Thanks for the uplifting post. What's the point of posting something like this anyway?
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    • Profile picture of the author Michele Miller
      First of all, saying things like you hate Clickbank is a really unfair comment
      based on your business module. I'm sorry, lack of business module would be more correct.

      These threads do make it to the search engines. You have just slandered Clickbank for no apparent reason other than your easy way out and lack of skills to make it happen didn't work for you.

      If you want to give up on affiliate marketing, I don't think anyone is going to care quite honestly, and the millions of people that do it the right way will still be making lots of money, so you go for it and give up. They won't mind.
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      • Profile picture of the author BlackRob
        Originally Posted by Michele Miller View Post

        First of all, saying things like you hate Clickbank is a really unfair comment
        based on your business module. I'm sorry, lack of business module would be more correct.

        These threads do make it to the search engines. You have just slandered Clickbank for no apparent reason other than your easy way out and lack of skills to make it happen didn't work for you.

        If you want to give up on affiliate marketing, I don't think anyone is going to care quite honestly, and the millions of people that do it the right way will still be making lots of money, so you go for it and give up. They won't mind.
        Have to agree Michelle, this kind of method of trying to get sales is fraught with danger, and can easily blow up in your face as has happened here.

        Again, I am unsure as to why you put this unfair title for your thread, yes Clickbank have problems, but are still the biggest and best known site for launching your affiliate marketing business. I also think Michelle, that he has libelled clickbank, unless I have gotten confused with slander and libel lawas again lol.

        Rob.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexander K
          Originally Posted by BlackRob View Post

          I also think Michelle, that he has libelled clickbank, unless I have gotten confused with slander and libel lawas again lol.
          Hate can be a bad thing. Didn't some guy named Yoda warn us about it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Titan
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    You're doing it wrong.
    Yup. I agree.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    I wouldn't consider that "targeted traffic" anyway. Sounds like a very general list.

    What the heck does "business opportunities" mean anyway? Could mean many, many things. Not very targeted, at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author CPApromoter
    The OP makes me wonder just how "reputable" a company is that will send a MMO email to 2Million people, on behalf of someone that they don't know (you, the public).

    Sure, maybe they did send out that many emails- but I'd rather send out 2000 than 2 million when it comes to list quality metrics.
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  • Profile picture of the author caseycase
    Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

    I want more control over my campaigns, rather than sending targeted traffic and crossing my fingers.
    2,000,000 crap emails is not targeted traffic. Not trying to be rude, but yes, you are definitely doing it wrong. Get some actual targeted traffic and you will see a difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

    Sure. You'll probably tell me: You're doing it wrong.
    I'm afraid this is, in fact, the case.

    However you look at it, selling ClickBank products is really all about three main things ...

    (i) You have to select the products wisely: obviously enough, without getting this part right, it doesn't much matter what else you do!

    (ii) You have to pre-sell effectively to well-targeted traffic (so you have to at least one reliable way of attracting well-targeted traffic, and to understand clearly the difference between selling and pre-selling).

    (iii) You have to build lists yourself and form and nurture relationships with the people on them, so that they'll eventually buy on the strength of your recommendation. Without doing this, your conversion-rate will typically be somewhere between "very low indeed" and "non-existent": ClickBank products are generally successfully sold only on "trust", i.e. how much your customers trust your recommendation. Your income will be directly proportional to the degree of trust you establish by list-building and list-communications: it's simple, but it isn't easy.

    These three things just aren't optional: you simply have to do all three of them adequately, to sell ClickBank products.

    I think actually your attempt may have fallen down on all three parts; sorry to be so blunt about it ...

    Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

    And this is for one of the highest converting ones out there right now.
    For the record ... unless you're the vendor, or the vendor's accountant or brother-in-law or whatever, you have no way of knowing that, because conversion-rates are not disclosed by ClickBank. I'm going to take a completely wild and indefensible guess that you're talking about a "high gravity" product, imagining that that means it's selling well (whereas very often it means exactly the opposite, in fact). Now, how did I know that ... :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Clickbank does not suck by the way, I make my living from it. It more than pays the bills.

    Also you say reputable company? What the? Is that because they said they were.

    Do not trust rented lists....they are spammed and you need to create your own list and get them to know you, like you and trust you. Then money can be made morning noon and night and to your liking.

    Do not just look for fast quick and cheap alternatives. Do things the proper way, and you will reap the rewards.

    Spread the love man. Spread the love...... put great content out there and good things and the money will follow you like a bad smell
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    How on earth is it any fault of Clickbanks that your untargeted list is full of unresponsive tyre kickers?
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

    Sure. You'll probably tell me: You're doing it wrong. However this was a very simple and straight-forward setup:

    Had a reputable company send 2,000,000 e-mails to people who opted-in for Business Opportunities. Yes, they get all kinds of spam but I still consider the hop count decent, albeit a bit lower than I imagined.

    Here are the stats:

    Hop count: 2,039
    Order form impression count: 987
    Order form submit count: 1
    Sales: 0

    0 sales?! You have to be kidding me. Wow. I am just furious. And this is for one of the highest converting ones out there right now.

    Think I'm done with Affiliate Marketing at this point. I want more control over my campaigns, rather than sending targeted traffic and crossing my fingers.
    I have to agree. I stopped promoting Clickbank a long time ago. But not because I wasn't making sales. It was the refund rates.

    90% of Clickbank products in the IM niche are hyped up pieces of junk or reworked PLR softwares or reports.

    I'd much rather promote WSO's or RapBank and make instant spendable cash to my account.

    This way, I don't have to worry about any of Clickbank's ridiculous little fees or the 2 week wait for my money.
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    • Profile picture of the author FromBrokeToRich
      You need to be driving targeted traffic and not just having so called "reputable companies" doing your advertising.

      Millions of visitors who are not targeted are useless.

      It's all about getting loads of high quality traffic, not random looky loos.
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  • Profile picture of the author rknuppel
    I just recently started with clickbank and have been pleasantly pleased so far. I only promote a couple products but the conversions seem pretty good. I'll report back in a few months and see if I feel the same way
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendan Vraibel
    Where does Clickbank play a factor in people not buying a product from a rented list?

    Also if the company is willing to mail for you then they are likely to be mailing for A LOT of other marketers as well. Also you must already know yourself that the list is no good if you claim that they likely get "all kinds of spam".
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  • Profile picture of the author JeffNormand
    I just love how people get so defensive, you guys make me chuckle.

    Am I not allowed to rant? Why can't I have an opinion? (btw, I'm not the only one who hates CB).

    At any rate, I was not looking for answers, far from that. I just wanted to share my results and figure out if this is common.

    And yes, they are reputable. Are all e-mail companies automatically bad? I've had great results in the past with them for other projects.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

      Am I not allowed to rant? Why can't I have an opinion? (btw, I'm not the only one who hates CB)
      We all rant dude, but hating on Clickbank for your list not being responsive makes no sense whatsoever.

      BTW, CB ****s me too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Guru_Marketing
    Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

    Sure. You'll probably tell me: You're doing it wrong. However this was a very simple and straight-forward setup:

    Had a reputable company send 2,000,000 e-mails to people who opted-in for Business Opportunities. Yes, they get all kinds of spam but I still consider the hop count decent, albeit a bit lower than I imagined.

    Here are the stats:

    Hop count: 2,039
    Order form impression count: 987
    Order form submit count: 1
    Sales: 0

    0 sales?! You have to be kidding me. Wow. I am just furious. And this is for one of the highest converting ones out there right now.

    Think I'm done with Affiliate Marketing at this point. I want more control over my campaigns, rather than sending targeted traffic and crossing my fingers.
    I do not think the problem is with Clickbank, because it's just a tool. It does not guarantee sales.

    If you send people to the wrong offer even 1,000,000 impression count would result in 0 sales. Why? Because if the traffic is NOT targeted and it does not want what you are offering, it won't work. It's not about the quantity of the traffic, but the quality of the traffic.

    Also, if the traffic has a high quality, but if they do not trust you, know you, and like you... they won't buy.

    See, the problem is not with Clickbank. It can be your marketing or the clickbank offer's marketing.

    There are many factors involved when it comes to the conversion rate.
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    • Profile picture of the author sitywyde
      Originally Posted by Guru_Marketing View Post

      I do not think the problem is with Clickbank, because it's just a tool. It does not guarantee sales.

      If you send people to the wrong offer even 1,000,000 impression count would result in 0 sales. Why? Because if the traffic is NOT targeted and it does not want what you are offering, it won't work. It's not about the quantity of the traffic, but the quality of the traffic.

      Also, if the traffic has a high quality, but if they do not trust you, know you, and like you... they won't buy.

      See, the problem is not with Clickbank. It can be your marketing or the clickbank offer's marketing.

      There are many factors involved when it comes to the conversion rate.
      Hey friend, I promote and sell a lot of Clickbank offers, and to be honest,
      there is an issue..and I think they call it "Clickbank seriel refunders"

      Lets face it...people like shiny objects, quick results, and instant pay...

      If they dont get all that, then it's an easy out...Get a refund!

      That's where I think Clickbank sucks...they make it too easy. No-risk.
      the products themselves might be good content etc...but the person going into it has visions of instant success... It's a Bigmac world, and we're all looking for that quick, instant meal... BUT..i think this FREE thing, and No-risk thing has to stop!...

      Any true business man knows that all business involves taking a risk, wouldn't they be fortunate to have a money back guarantee as well!

      NOT how the world works....and I myself have bought many Clickbank products, BUT with each one, even though many were crap, I still got something of value from each, and now implement the good, and have discarded the bad.

      I agree with targeted traffic, but lets not count your sales before they've hatched, because some may never....
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by sitywyde View Post

        there is an issue..and I think they call it "Clickbank seriel refunders"
        Yes, they do. They identify them and ban them.

        But if you encounter one who hasn't yet been identified and banned, then undeniably there's an issue there.

        On the other hand, look at all the hundreds of sales you make because of the ease of the guarantee, and think about the reputation CB would have if it didn't have and honour that standard guarantee.

        This is a problem only in a couple of specific niches, anyway ... which are pretty poor niches for quite a variety of other reasons, too.

        Originally Posted by sitywyde View Post

        the person going into it has visions of instant success...
        Ah, you're thinking of "make money" products?

        Well, those are best avoided, everywhere. And specifically, nobody should buy anything that makes income claims on the sales page. Not at CB, not in the Warrior Forum, and not anywhere else.

        There are 499 other niches, you know?
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        987 people don't click your call to action to have one person actually fulfil an order unless you aren't revealling your price on your sales page. Otherwise that ratio is plain wrong.

        To justify this, you also have to consider that stats maybe aren't correct - another reason why CB is a pain in the ass.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexander K
    That's a great point webcore.

    I've only done a little with CB, but it seemed like if people are clicking through to the sales page, the conversion should be a lot better than what I was getting. Which had me thinking something fishy was up, but could just be a stats problem.
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