Oh, I am so into list building now...

Rod Cortez

14 years ago

You could start a thread about list building and not give any helpful details.....FAIL.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

RoD

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thebitbotdotcom 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

You could start a thread about list building and not give any helpful details.....FAIL.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

RoD

LOL! Good one.

OK. Fair enough...Start a blog and if you have 0 $$$, use PHPLIST. I have lists using PHPLIST for free and they work great...self hosted...no problems.

There's your tip...
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Targeted Traffic 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

You could start a thread about list building and not give any helpful details....

RoD

A good way to go about it:

1. Create content that will make your users to beg for more

2. Give away information

3. Use Capture Pages/ Landing Pages to boost the perceived value of getting on your list

4. Constantly ask people to subscribe

5. Run a competition

6. Run a Promotion
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Rod Cortez

14 years ago

It doesn't matter if you're an affiliate, doing CPA offers, or have your own products or even run Adsense-only sites. Building a list can increase your profits in a dramatic fashion, especially over time.

Large companies pay top dollar for e-mail lists (actually any lists that produce a profit). So even if you don't plan on selling your list there's really no excuse not to build one unless you have a business model that absolutely does not require one.

In 2 markets that I'm in, our lists account for 90% of our over all profits. So by not building a list, people are leaving a s-load of money on the table!

RoD

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thebitbotdotcom

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

It doesn't matter if you're an affiliate, doing CPA offers, or have your own products or even run Adsense-only sites. Building a list can increase your profits in a dramatic fashion, especially over time.

Large companies pay top dollar for e-mail lists (actually any lists that produce a profit). So even if you don't plan on selling your list there's really no excuse not to build one unless you have a business model that absolutely does not require one.

In 2 markets that I'm in, our lists account for 90% of our over all profits. So by not building a list, people are leaving a s-load of money on the table!

RoD

Agreed. I have notice a significant hop increase, list-based, that is increasing my bottom line.

There is absolutely no reason not to...FYI fellow Warriors!!!

Mark

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thebitbotdotcom 14 years ago

Even if you SUCK at list building and management like I do, it is still beneficial.

Just play by the rules...SEE: CANSPAM ACT...
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GoingSomewhere

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

It doesn't matter if you're an affiliate, doing CPA offers, or have your own products or even run Adsense-only sites. Building a list can increase your profits in a dramatic fashion, especially over time.
RoD

How do you build a list in reverse phone lookup as an affiliate?

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Paleochora

14 years ago

List Building. One of the things I wish I had done when I first got started as a priority but didn't.

Now I have some good sized lists and they are still growing nicely and, apart from the money aspect, it's cool having a load of great people who share an interest or two to converse with and get feedback from each other.

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TBInternetMarketing

14 years ago

For me, the true power of list building really comes into play when you get some JV's involved. Then you can really start almost printing money at will....if you have a big enough list of course.

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kennykjtan

14 years ago

I totally agree that our list is our butter and bread but building those list can be a pain! It's so difficult to build a sizeable amount that could generate enough sales!

For me, Getting to Google page 1 is easier than building the list but guess I don't have the choice but to keep on building the much wanted lists. Grrrr.r.r.r.

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Paleochora

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kennykjtan

I totally agree that our list is our butter and bread but building those list can be a pain! It's so difficult to build a sizeable amount that could generate enough sales!

For me, Getting to Google page 1 is easier than building the list but guess I don't have the choice but to keep on building the much wanted lists. Grrrr.r.r.r.

Then get your squeeze page on Google page 1 for a good high-volume keyword with a good call to action in the meta-description and your list building difficulties will be behind you.

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Kal Sallam

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Paleochora

Then get your squeeze page on Google page 1 for a good high-volume keyword with a good call to action in the meta-description and your list building difficulties will be behind you.

Hmm I'm not too sure if you can do that, however I have seen it before, but
ranking a SQUEEZE PAGE on Google is extremely difficult my friend.

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Russel Mogul

14 years ago

I agree but the cost of keeping a list can be a royal pain in the buttcheek.......I've seen list that cost 800 dollars every month just to stay afloat .......FREAKING HECK

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Rod Cortez

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Russel Mogul

I agree but the cost of keeping a list can be a royal pain in the buttcheek.......I've seen list that cost 800 dollars every month just to stay afloat .......FREAKING HECK

If a list costs $800 a month to stay afloat it should be making at least 10x that amount in net profits. It's also a business expense, so a portion of it should be able to be deducted. It's not an expense, it's an investment.

If the list isn't profitable at that expense level then the person only knows how to build lists and not profit from them. They would need to take a closer look at what they're doing wrong.

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Russel Mogul

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

If a list costs $800 a month to stay afloat it should be making at least 10x that amount in net profits. It's also a business expense, so a portion of it should be able to be deducted. It's not an expense, it's an investment.

If the list isn't profitable at that expense level then the person only knows how to build lists and not profit from them. They would need to take a closer look at what they're doing wrong.

RoD

I agree but this was a huge list of about 100K+ subscribers and even though the owner makes about 40X that much. It is still one heck of a sum for upkeep

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Rod Cortez 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Russel Mogul

I agree but this was a huge list of about 100K+ subscribers and even though the owner makes about 40X that much. It is still one heck of a sum for upkeep

Really? The owner makes 40x the cost of his list and that's still a "heck of a sum for upkeep"? REally? I strongly disagree with you. Try and manage a 100k list on your own and see how much of a pain in the arse it is. Here's why I strongly disagree with you:

It's because of one financial principle: without that list there would be NO ROI (Return On Investment). You're focusing on the expense and not the ROI, a classical mistake that a lot of people make. You're also neglecting future ROI because the list is going to get bigger and generate more profits, IF the owner follows some simple guidelines.

Recent example: I had a list of 560,000 DOUBLE opt-in subscribers in the dating niche. I neglected them for 9 months and then pruned my list.....only 48,000 of them opted in again. Was I bummed out?

HECK NO!!!

While it still COST a lot of money to have 48,000 subscribers, AFTER giving them valuable content and a some offers, I made a 20x the ROI from my broadcasts than I did my stock investments. It's all about on HOW you prune and nurture your list, a topic very few people delve into in here.

Rod
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Kal Sallam 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Russel Mogul

I agree but this was a huge list of about 100K+ subscribers and even though the owner makes about 40X that much. It is still one heck of a sum for upkeep

Wow just wow man. so lets see here,

According to your previous post,you mentioned the fees for keeping the List was $800 a month.And the owner makes 40X!

Now 40 X $800 = 32k per month my dear friend.

NOW...deduct $800 from 32k your left with 31.2k in profit lol.

I just really do not understand why would someone on this
beautiful planet of ours COMPLAIN about receiving an extra
31 Thousand dollars per month.
why?? lol
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Joseph Robinson Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Russel Mogul

I agree but this was a huge list of about 100K+ subscribers and even though the owner makes about 40X that much. It is still one heck of a sum for upkeep

So wait, they made 32k a month...and were still peeved about paying $800?

Yeah, paying 2.5% of your profits must be such a drag.
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celente

14 years ago

I can say that listbuilding and doing this properly changed my business around.

My only regret with my online businesses is not doing this sooner.

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MrOfferz

14 years ago

Have some great offers available if anybody is interested in putting their lists to work.

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Kal Sallam

14 years ago

List Building is marketing 101.
If all the successful folks recommend it and swear by it, then why ignore it.

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Jealee

14 years ago

List building is everything... From there you can create your sales funnel.

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kaper7

14 years ago

List building should be part of your funnel mate! A properly executed funnel takes care of the list as you drive traffic in.

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Jesus Perez

14 years ago

Don't properly train your list...FAIL.
Don't use double-optin...FAIL.
Blast to 100k emails you bought off eBay...FAIL!
Don't properly setup SPF or DomainKeys...FAIL!
Don't have a fallback autoresponder service...FAIL!
Don't segment your list...FAIL!
Wait 2-3 weeks between emails...FAIL!
Use spammy keywords...FAIL!
Use unrelated "From name"...FAIL!
Poor grasp on grammar...FAIL!

I could go on and on.
Hell, I'm guilty of a few at times.
Point is...it's not just about List Building.
It's about building a responsive email list the right way.
One person could be wildly successful on social media, SEO, ec...but fail at list building entirely because they can't get a single email into the inbox.
List Building is not the answer to every person's problem.

Take this forum, for example. They don't send a single email to anyone. Ever.

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JCorp

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Jesus Perez

Don't properly train your list...FAIL.
Don't use double-optin...FAIL.
Blast to 100k emails you bought off eBay...FAIL!
Don't properly setup SPF or DomainKeys...FAIL!
Don't have a fallback autoresponder service...FAIL!
Don't segment your list...FAIL!
Wait 2-3 weeks between emails...FAIL!
Use spammy keywords...FAIL!
Use unrelated "From name"...FAIL!
Poor grasp on grammar...FAIL!

I could go on and on.
Hell, I'm guilty of a few at times.
Point is...it's not just about List Building.
It's about building a responsive email list the right way.
One person could be wildly successful on social media, SEO, ec...but fail at list building entirely because they can't get a single email into the inbox.
List Building is not the answer to every person's problem.

Take this forum, for example. They don't send a single email to anyone. Ever.

I agree with pretty much everything you said except for the double opt in. I use single opt in in a lot of my niches and have tested it with double opt in and single opt in produced more revenue for me. So I wouldn't call it a fail, it's really up to the person to test it themselves and see what works best.

There's negatives and positives with both a double opt in and a single opt in... so people, just test it for yourself!

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Manie Amari

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JCorp

I agree with pretty much everything you said except for the double opt in. I use single opt in in a lot of my niches and have tested it with double opt in and single opt in produced more revenue for me. So I wouldn't call it a fail, it's really up to the person to test it themselves and see what works best.

There's negatives and positives with both a double opt in and a single opt in... so people, just test it for yourself!

I agree with JCorp here as I too use single opt-in on my fan pages as I incorporate the the opting process with a Facebook connect app button.

This works when the user allows my app to connect with their information from their personal profile. I think this is enough confirmation for the opt-in. If I used double opt-in then it would be like asking the same question three times.

Manie

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Brendan Vraibel

14 years ago

I've moved away from the phrase "list building" and more towards "relationship building". Even though you hear it all the time not to over promote to your list I still see it done all the time, even by some of the bigwigs in the industry. Nothing makes me unsubscribe faster.

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SerpSmasher

14 years ago

Originally Posted by thebitbotdotcom

You could rely on search engines...FAIL...

You could rely on social media..FAIL...

You could rely on sheer luck...FAIL...

...or you could start building a list TODAY!

What are you waiting for!?!

Mark

actually I used all these things to build my first list.

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Christian Chan

14 years ago

OMG OMG... this thread fails...

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Tony2010

14 years ago

Yep you make an excellent point, one I have only started to realise since being hit by one of the latest Panda updates.

Having a list to fall back on is probably the most important strategy working online.

Its a shame I can't post a very interesting graphic that you should see, I haven't got enough posts yet, but here are some quotes from that page.

the total posts on facebook and twitter combined add up only 0.2% of all email traffic

The total number of searches on Google, Yahoo and Bing combined equals just 1.1% of all email traffic

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jaiganeshv

14 years ago

do all types of marketing and traffic generation but never forget to build a list in the process. (Advice from a pro...crastinator)

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Roan

14 years ago

i was always too scared to do it. Fearing the unknown. Not knowing how to do it. Well glad i got over that! Do it! Build your list!

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skydragon89

14 years ago

Well it's all bout traffic, isn't it?
List building is a wise way to keep your traffic useful and keep your customers on target so you don't lose them.

So yes, list building should be one of the 1st things to consider, after traffic.

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bmarketer

14 years ago

This is one of those things that everyone always talks about. Sometimes you can see everyone saying how something is so profitable and will provide desired results, but you just don't do it. Guess you'll never see the benefits of something until you do it for yourself. I may start listbuilding to provide an income stream