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I understand that failing is part of the game. The more you do, the more you learn.

I'm extremely stressed right now though. I've set up maybe 30 sites and a handful of them are earners. My living expenses are being met, but not much else.

Obviously I'm still perfecting my technique. Everytime I try something though (like split testing, a new traffic generation technique, a not so great sales letter) and end up failing at it, it eats away at me. My time and funds are limited so I would much rather prefer to do and spend on things that have a high success rate. The problem is that I don't know what those things and activities are.

Do you think I need a coach to help me through this? If so, who do you recommend?

Or do you have a real step-by-step, little room for error method to share? (I've come to realize that I am prone to error )
#failing #tired
  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    Have you tried selling any of your earning sites?

    You can earn a decent amount of money just selling one site!

    In the mean time you can focus on creating new sites just to sell in the future.

    Sites on flippa usually sell for 10X of its monthly earnings.

    You do the math!
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  • Profile picture of the author feliciayapsl
    If you have a handful of sites that are already earning to cover your living expenses, why not rinse & repeat? You're doing something right. Build more sites!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Originally Posted by feliciayapsl View Post

      If you have a handful of sites that are already earning to cover your living expenses, why not rinse & repeat? You're doing something right. Build more sites!
      Wow..really? Build More sites?

      How are you able to manage such a big number of sites?
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    • Profile picture of the author Damielle
      Originally Posted by feliciayapsl View Post

      If you have a handful of sites that are already earning to cover your living expenses, why not rinse & repeat? You're doing something right. Build more sites!
      I agree, focus on the sites that make you money and build similar sites in other niches or sub niches. Outsource some of the work as I think you may be limited by your own time and energy.

      Get this process as automated as possible and outsource on warrior forum, fiverr, etc.

      Keep going, the fact that you're making money is a lot more than 95% of other marketers can say.

      Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author yoangov
    I really can't accept your story as a failure.

    Keep on what you are doing. Hire some assistant and keep on going you are on the right way

    I guess you expect more money with less work - also achievable, just go deeper and hire people to help you

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author mgreener
    Hi,

    You should be very happy to be covering your living expenses with sites!

    Like Felicia said, why not pile it on with the sites that are already making money? Pick one and try to ramp it up.

    There are so many methods that work, you really need to just pick one and stick to it until you succeed.

    We can all get discouraged at times, but failure doesn't exist until we accept it.
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    • Profile picture of the author spiderwire29
      Id say thats a succcess. Im struggling with my one site. Trying to figure out if hiring for backlinks is worth it and how to get more backlinks. It seems that you are doing awesome!! Keep it up but if your having success with the few sites replicate makes sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author myke
      Originally Posted by mgreener View Post

      Hi,

      You should be very happy to be covering your living expenses with sites!

      Like Felicia said, why not pile it on with the sites that are already making money? Pick one and try to ramp it up.

      There are so many methods that work, you really need to just pick one and stick to it until you succeed.

      We can all get discouraged at times, but failure doesn't exist until we accept it.
      I love your quote:
      "We can all get discouraged at times, but failure doesn't exist until we accept it."
      Where does it come from?
      Regards, myke
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph G Spiteri
        I would look at the ones which are making money look at what you have done to these site. And then look at the other sites an have a look at maybe applying these marketing techniques to those site. If you can't sell them on and take the money and invest in another project.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnWiz
        Hey Gary, I don't think you should call them failures.

        How about "obstacles" in your way?

        The thing is, you're already making enough to cover your living expenses. That's already a wonderful thing.

        Let's say 5 out of your 30 sites are bringing you money. Now, let's imagine you take a little time to improve each site's performance by just 5%.

        That would result in a 25% increase to your bottomline.

        Can you improve each site's performance by just 5%?

        I'm sure you can, with a little patience and determination.
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  • Profile picture of the author romzcans
    Even Manny Pacquiao and Michael Jordan need a coach to mentor them. Just keep on keeping on.
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    Gary,

    That's awesome! You are covering your living expenses. Most of the people in this forum would give anything for that kind of success. You are not failing!

    Maybe it's time to take inventory of what's working and what's not, then focus on building up those sites or projects that are working to make them more profitable.

    Just don't spread yourself too thinly across all your projects. Focus is the key.

    Di
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

      Gary,

      That's awesome! You are covering your living expenses. Most of the people in this forum would give anything for that kind of success. You are not failing!

      Maybe it's time to take inventory of what's working and what's not, then focus on building up those sites or projects that are working to make them more profitable.

      Just don't spread yourself too thinly across all your projects. Focus is the key.

      Di
      Best answer (and one of the only real answers) in the thread. You have sites that are earning. You have already won the game.

      Have you been tracking and testing? If so, you can figure out where that money came from. It's just a matter of opening those streams up to their full potential.

      The sites that aren't working? Ditch 'em. Save the money on domain and hosting; and more importantly save your time (a much more valuable asset).
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicasha1
    I wish I had a handful of sites that were converting and meeting my living expenses!

    Would love to be in your shoes! Don't feel bad! Just scale up! At least you have a system!
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    • Profile picture of the author jtnatoli
      If I were you the first thing I would do is create a spreadsheet of sites ordered by most successful and of the key features about each site then compare the successful ones with the unsuccessful ones.having it laid out in front of you will probably show you some no brainer sites that you should eliminate and features that you should port over to others. Save the spreadsheet and create a new one each month and see how the order changes. I think you will have a lot of insight on just a few months. Having such a variety of sites is a huge benefit for analysis. Get it out of your head and on "paper".
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendan Vraibel
    It sounds like you have a pretty decent sample size to judge what's working and what isn't. Take those top sites and figure out what makes those successful. Dump all of the sites that aren't worth your time and duplicate the good ones. Outsource if you have to.

    You're on the right path, don't get discouraged now.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Gary where are you? You in Australia?

    How old are you?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      Gary where are you? You in Australia?

      How old are you?
      Lol...I think Gary is a guy.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

        Lol...I think Gary is a guy.
        Im asking because if by chance he's in my area, Id offer help in person. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author RylanClayne
    Hey Gary, as nearly everyone has pointed out above the first thing to realise is you are far from being a failure. However I do agree that its possible your own yardstick for success may be set fairly higher than the average marketer hence you may be frustrated with your progress.

    My advice would be twofold. Like others have said above take stock of your current situation. Sit down and list out your sites (I am sure you have already done so somewhere) and really figure out which of them are earning you the 'real' money and set them apart from those that are just not doing anything. I would consider axing the ones simply lying around and start concentrating on your money earners. You know you are doing something right with these so continue to so so but double what your doing, outsource if need be and focus on building out these sites. Meanwhile consider creating sister sites around these niches or sub-niches using the same format that you are finding success with.

    The second part of this advice may seem counter-intuitive but I would suggest you 'take a break'. This is the perfect time of year to take a step back from your work and to analyse a bit. Spend a bit of time with the family and friends and come back to doing what you enjoy. I am sure you will realise by doing this not only the value of what you already have but also you will find the motivation to continue doing what you love, and hopefully in the process continue to make money and be a success at what your doing. Wish you the best for the future
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    Maybe it's time to step away for a while and re-energize a bit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Seth Bias
    Never a failure if you made even a dollar online. The trick now is to figure out what you did to get those sites successful and build off this. Keep pushing you will break the threshold faster than you might think!
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  • Profile picture of the author solado
    No such thing as failure, Only to get the answer wrong.
    Paying your bills from websites is also an achivement in its self ! Its a mile that many work for.
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  • Profile picture of the author nickchou
    Hi Gary,

    Thanks for sharing your story. You may not realize this but being able to pay off your living expenses with 30 sites is a major success. Not many new Internet marketers can achieved that. I agree with feliciayapsl: obviously you are doing some right. Why don't you scale it up and build more of those sites? If time is of course, you can outsource your work on Fiverr.com or Elance.com.

    Please keep us updated with your progress!

    Nick Chou
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  • Profile picture of the author shireen
    Hi:

    Shireen here :-)

    In my opinion, you should focus on doing things that bring you consistent income.

    If you don't want to do it yourself, outsource it to free up your time.

    Find out what works best for you & repeat it.

    Hope it helps :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author curly sue
    Maybe you need to cut down on the number of sites you're ranning. and get motivational friends
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    If you are making enough to cover your living expenses, then you are far from a failure. But, I think I know what you mean… with the work you are putting in you probably think that you should be making a lot more.

    Maybe your expectations for each site are too high? It seems to me that building niche sites is a numbers game, some will do good, some will fail, a few might be home runs.

    So, the best thing is to figure out what makes the ones that are doing good profitable and try to do more of "that" on your next sites. If you can, focus on building out the ones that are doing good so that they are making even more money.

    Consider selling off your low earners so that you can focus on the high earners and build out new sites as time allows.


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    • Profile picture of the author MarcoJardel
      Covering your living expenses is far from a failure. Many people would love to be able to do that.

      To increase your earnings maybe you should start to sell something of your own rather than just building sites (I presume you're monetising through adverts / affiliate marketing). Creating your own product or offering a service could be a more lucrative use of your time.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicelife
    I don't know why you're portraying yourself as a failure, if you're covering your living expenses(assuming it's with Internet Marketing) you have obviously got some skills and why not keep on working on what already works.

    One important mindset to have is: Don't expect a 100% success rate on every thing you build and make sure you put your efforts on the things that pay off.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary M.
      Originally Posted by nicelife View Post

      I don't know why you're portraying yourself as a failure, if you're covering your living expenses(assuming it's with Internet Marketing) you have obviously got some skills and why not keep on working on what already works.

      One important mindset to have is: Don't expect a 100% success rate on every thing you build and make sure you put your efforts on the things that pay off.
      You bring up a good point that we're not going to have 100% success rate. I haven't taken the time yet to figure out how much of my actions/investments are successful to me, but I'm wondering what other warriors know and would like to share their own "success rate". I think it will be interesting!

      Hopefully it'll also provide some perspective. Reading the successes of many warriors makes me feel like they're having a much easier time than me, but perhaps this isn't true in the majority of cases?
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  • Profile picture of the author Tadresources
    I would be glad to be covering my living expenses as that is the point that you quit your job and then after that it is about building a future.

    When I first started out I wanted to earn $500 a month and then after that everything above that amount I put straight back into the business so that I could expand it and grow it on a daily basis.

    My coach has taught me a lot and without her I would never have got my business off the ground. She is called samantha milner and just google her for details. She might be full at the moment though because she is very popular and not overly expensive.
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  • Profile picture of the author inconf
    You are making money, thats great, from what i see, you are doing exactly what i did a couple of years back, you are creating lots of sites, and trying to make them all work!

    You will fail this way!

    Concentrate on the sites that are making you money, if you can concentrate on 1 or 2 sites that are your top earners. You can get so bogged down with SEO, PPC, linking, social media blah blah, that your days are eaten up and you have not actually done anything productive - especially with 30 websites to manage.

    have you considered outsourcing some of the sites?

    Don't be a busy fool, work on ONLY the tasks/websites that bring you money, the others - scrap them!

    Good luck and focus only on tasks,/sites that bring in the cash!
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Boduch
      Perception is everything.

      What you have is priceless experience... and a whole bunch of assets.

      Overlooking the gold you already possess is like not noticing the precious diamonds in your own backyard. (Please Google Russell Herman Conwell's Acres of Diamonds and read this fantastic public domain book.)

      Instead of feeling like you're defeated and giving up in search of greener pastures elsewhere, reassess what you have and look for the VALUE in it. You've already done a lot of work and there's tremendous value there, whether you see it or not.

      Do what Tony Robbins suggests and get exciting about failing. Not because it's the end... but because it's a stepping stone.

      "Failure should be our teacher, not our undertaker. Failure is delay not defeat. It is a temporary detour, not a dead end." -- Denis Waitley

      Change your perception and keep going. As others have said, you're already a success!

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    • Profile picture of the author mark healy
      I think you have done well with your sites, its working so just ramp it up, keep tweaking and testing and stay in a positive state of mind.Get a mentor to take you to the next level, it speeded up my learning curve dramatically, otherwise keep doing what your doing.Well done.
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  • Profile picture of the author DustinG
    It sounds like setting up 30 sites is your problem. How can you put enough effort into any one site with that many sites (assuming you have that many sites at a time - and if not, then you're giving up on your sites too soon). Focus on 1 or 2 sites, and treat them are serious businesses, instead of trying to find a get-rich-quick scheme. Most businesses aren't profitable for around their first 3 years!
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  • Profile picture of the author Exire
    I'm going to agree with a few of the other posters here: build more sites!

    However, I suggest that you first look very closely at the sites you already have that are making money. Analyze them and determine why those sites are making money and the others aren't. Then, instead of spending time trying to fix the ones that aren't working, just build new ones modeled on the successful sites. Repeat and refine this process and eventually you'll know exactly how and why a site is successful and you'll be able to build as many as you want.

    Also, if you need a little influx of cash, sell one of the ones that's making some money. Use the money that you earn to outsource the creation of a new site/sites that are based on whatever makes your other sites successful. In other words, leverage what you've already got and multiply it through leveraging other peoples' time and effort.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author AlphaRosa
    It sounds like you are extremely close to getting a formula down pat for duplicating the high earning sites. Maybe you could use a mind map and figure out your flow for how you create these high earners, thus find a solid method of duplicating that process.

    You could also take a personal inventory of your strengths and weaknesses; analyze what has been working for you and hone those skills.

    I think you are on the verge of hitting your stride and bringing in more money, you just need to do some tweaking.
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  • Profile picture of the author amarketing
    Like everyone else has said: if you're making enough to meet your living expenses, you are not failing! Ok, maybe you do fail, but you are in no ways a failure.

    Since your living expenses are being met, this might be a great time to step back and look at your overall business. I mean all of the sites and try to determine why the successful ones are the successful ones. Also, probably cut out one or two of your lowest earners, as if these haven't made much money over a long period of time, they aren't worth your efforts anymore.

    Also, you said that it really eats at you when you have a failure. Get out of that habit. Look at it this way, it wasn't a failure, it was a discovery. You discovered a method that doesn't work. This isn't a bunch of self-help hype, either. Really, it's the truth. Having a mindset like this will allow you to keep going at something until you've found the method that works.

    Good luck and I look forward to reading your posts as you achieve more success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross James
    No sure if OP is serious?

    Sounds like successful IM'er to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    You've gotten some great advice already in this thread. Sounds like you're suffering from IM burnout. You need to recharge your batteries a bit.

    30 sites is a lot to manage and you are spreading yourself too thin. Your site stats should tell you which niche sites are doing the best. Your affiliate account or paypal should tell you what products are selling the most. Focus only on growing these.

    Count your blessings. You're doing better at online marketing than 95% of the people on this forum. Indeed, most would give their right arm to "fail" as much as you are.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary M.
    Thank you all for your kind words and advice. I'm looking closely through what each of you has to say and will try as most of you suggested - closely inspecting & trying to duplicate the successful sites after a little holiday break

    Most of my traffic comes from SEO (which I hate because it's not reliable) and from selling 2 of my own products. I used to make more, but foolishly depended on my search engine rankings too heavily, so when rankings dropped so did my income.

    Trying to diversify and improve is proving to be a slow process and I get frustrated, but it did take me quite a while to build my earnings to what it is now, and I guess I have to keep in mind that the way I do things, earnings come slowly (aaaaargh!).
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    • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
      Originally Posted by Gary M. View Post

      Thank you all for your kind words and advice. I'm looking closely through what each of you has to say and will try as most of you suggested - closely inspecting & trying to duplicate the successful sites after a little holiday break

      Most of my traffic comes from SEO (which I hate because it's not reliable) and from selling 2 of my own products. I used to make more, but foolishly depended on my search engine rankings too heavily, so when rankings dropped so did my income.

      Trying to diversify and improve is proving to be a slow process and I get frustrated, but it did take me quite a while to build my earnings to what it is now, and I guess I have to keep in mind that the way I do things, earnings come slowly (aaaaargh!).
      Gary - definitely don't think you're a failure, especially if you can make enough to cover your living expenses, no matter how big or small they may be.

      SEO traffic is a shaky game. I tend to fish in those waters though, but only because it works for me and I have had a lot of success with it. Still, I diversify the way I do things and also prefer to have varied income streams to compensate in the event that s**t hits the fan with a particular method.

      I agree with you though - diversifying your income is always a good thing to do in this business. It sounds like you know what you need to do, though. Patience is probably the toughest thing for me to deal with, too. It's like you KNOW what you need to do to reach your goals, so you put in all of your effort but get frustrated when you see a dismal return (if any at all). Eventually, you start to see the fruits of your labor pay off as the days progress, thus making it all worth it in the end.

      Keep your head up and you'll get there man! Just take it one day at a time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Soren
    If you've already made 2 products which were sellers, why even bother with setting up minisites? If you're a product creator already, why not just focus on improving that 1 skill, and sell your low value, high maintenance websites - it'll always be stressful to have 30 websites which relies on your own seo efforts. 30 websites for 30 different QUALITY products (would of course take years) but you'd have affiliates to take care of your traffic issue.. affiliates really are the best kind of outsourcers you can get

    You have 1 rare talent. You're the opposite of most failing marketers. You're a hard worker! Thumbs up. Now stop wasting time on your mini/sniper sites, sell most of your them and get back in the game. It's time to take it up a notch.

    Best of luck..
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  • Cut the noise. It's easier to monetize off 2 or 3 decent website than 30 half-baked ones. Focus on the 2 or 3 with higher potential and grow them.
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  • Profile picture of the author t0mmy
    keep on grinding mate! you say your living expenses are met right? well then thats half the battle now concentrate on scaling up what IS working to bring in some extra cash for fun times
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  • Profile picture of the author Mychelyne
    I think you should scrap the multi sites method. I did and I am happy. Just one site mate. focus in one site and give it your all. it's working wonders for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Saito
    I would focus more on the sites you have that are paying the most and find ways to increase their revenues systematically. Biggest ways are usually:

    1) More traffic
    2) Higher conversions
    3) More products

    One thing you might do, too, is team up with a much more experienced internet marketer who could tell you exactly what they would do to your site with a high level of [your] confidence that it will work. If a partner could help quadruple the total revenue you'd really be rolling. Come to think of it, I could use such a person, too.

    Someone to help manage your portfolio. You have proven to work hard and get results--it may be time to step your game up!
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  • Profile picture of the author Saito
    I would focus more on the sites you have that are paying the most and find ways to increase their revenues systematically. Biggest ways are usually:

    1) More traffic
    2) Higher conversions
    3) More products

    One thing you might do, too, is team up with a much more experienced internet marketer who could tell you exactly what they would do to your site with a high level of [your] confidence that it will work. If a partner could help quadruple the total revenue you'd really be rolling. Come to think of it, I could use such a person, too.

    Someone to help manage your portfolio. You have proven to work hard and get results--it may be time to step your game up!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary M.
    @bhuff85, that's exactly the way I feel. When trying to diversify, my patience (not that I have much to begin with) wears thin.

    @Saito, that was something I was considering. For example, I found out the copy of one of my sites converts poorly, tried split testing myself for months and failed to increase conversions (which drove me a little crazy), so I contacted conversion rate experts (most of whom I can't afford) and found one who wants to revenue share so I'm going to try work out the details there first. I'm just hoping this will bring a positive result because I could really use the boost.

    Thanks again everyone. Your words of encouragement are uplifting.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcentral
    30 sites is a lot if most of them are failing. Try going for a niche that you really really love, or a niche that is your profession or a niche you are dying to learn yourself. If you are merely choosing niches that you pick because of profit potential or keyword research it is likely you are going to fail. sell the sites with niches you don't have a passion for on flippa. focus more on marketing and less on how your website looks. when u start a website, try creating a community and offer benificial info/products for free. once you have a list u can start monetizing your traffic. its the only way to maintain a solid business. don't believe in 1 click get rich systems, they do not exist.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Bronson
    Find more niches like the ones which are bringing you the most profit. Create an easily explainable system with video for their creation, promotion and management, then outsource. Spend your time managing this, and finding more high producing niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author World Marketing
    If some of your sites are working then that's great...Many marketer's can't get any sites off the ground...Be grateful for what is working and try to improve on what isn't.
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    • Profile picture of the author soobeeoz
      You're not failing. You're doing great. I'd say to definitely focus on the sites that are doing well and don't waste time on those that aren't. That's something I plan to do when and if my sites start making money. lol Best of luck to you!
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      • Profile picture of the author samanthastephens
        I'm a complete newbie just getting into this game and if I could earn enough to cover our basic expenses, I'd be over the moon! If you've gotten that far, you're already a success. You don't know how many of us would love to be where you are now. Just my two cents, from someone who's dreaming of being in your position!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tech19
    Instead of building new sites to diversify, think about what you can do with the traffic you are already getting to make it more reliable. For example, most of your traffic is from SEO, which you say you don't like... How many of those visitors could you add to a list, or get to like a facebook page?

    This way you are stabilizing your traffic through the sites you already know are having success. I would focus on this day in and day out. More traffic and then ways to collect the data. This is diversifying but enabling you to stay focused on what is already working. Doesn't sound like failure to me!
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  • Profile picture of the author Diice
    If you never give up, you can never fail
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