Has the "Warriors for Hire" section seen an influx of new providers or something?

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Hi Everyone,

This isn't a rant as such, although it is annoying me.

Just out of interest, would anyone "in the know" be able to say whether or not the "Warriors for Hire" section of this forum has seen a huge increase of services being offered in the last few months?

I say this because the last few bumps of the thread for my article writing service have seen very little response. Obviously my offer has a lot to do with it and that's the first thing I take into account, but when I really analyse the situation, it's really no big surprise. Within a few hours of bumping my thread, it's been pushed two thirds of the way down the first page and onto the second page after only the first day. Hardly anyone sees the damn thing!

I'm pretty sure this never used to happen.

I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty steady client base (who probably the majority of which originally found me from this forum) so only need to bump my thread every now and then to fill in any gaps in my schedule and get new clients. But the fact is, when I do bump my thread these days, it's not uncommon to get zero response.

I also appreciate I offer a somewhat "premium" writing service compared to what else is available on the forum, and that perhaps my service isn't what the majority of people on here are looking for (I charge an outrageous $25 for an article ). But as I say, I've picked up the majority of my clients from this forum so there are plenty of people willing to pay that, I just think they're not finding me these days.

To the mods, have you considered charging, say, double the price it currently costs to bump a thread?

That might not be a popular option for other providers but I for one would happily pay more if it meant less overall threads, thus giving you more time in the higher positions of the first page.

Frankly, as it stands now I will probably stop using the "Warriors for Hire" section for good. It has served me well and I'm very thankful for the service and the clients it has generated for me up until now, but I'm not going to continue paying for what little exposure I get nowadays - due to what I believe are too many threads.

So has there been a noticeable increase in service providers or am I completely off the mark? And what are other people's thoughts on this?

Thanks for reading,

Matt
#influx #providers #section #warriors for hire
  • Profile picture of the author flamewave
    If i remember correctly there was a few WSO's that were basically reports on how to get into the article writing business. I have found that my content services are not getting enough intrest. I also hae charges that are "expensive" compared to others, however its a premium service. I to have found that I need to focus on other income streams.

    I hope that the people that bought the WSO's do have good luck and I am not saying that they dont deserve to have their place on the forum, however I get annoyed at all the cheap articles for basically middle men.

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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Warriors
    maybe you could branch out and offer press releases or something.
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    • Profile picture of the author PLRExpress
      I can't say that I take a look at the Warriors For Hire section often. Are you finding that you're getting fewer views of your offer because of more threads or just less business in general?
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt.Lake
        Originally Posted by NathanDevlin View Post

        I can't say that I take a look at the Warriors For Hire section often. Are you finding that you're getting fewer views of your offer because of more threads or just less business in general?
        Hey Nathan,

        I'd say I'm getting fewer views of my offer which obviously results in less business.

        Matt
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  • Profile picture of the author Jude.A
    This is an internet marketing forum that teaches people how to make money, and there are hundreds, if not thousands of people joining the WF every month, so what do you expect???
    That's the story also in the WSO section, even if the mods triple the price to bump a thread, as long as there is a money making potential in this place, people will STILL pay.
    Just live with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author PLRExpress
      I see. Well even if there has been a large influx of new listings, I wouldn't let them oust you out of wanting to list there because of the competition. If you think that your content and offer is worth it, I would hang on in there and let those that are looking for quality content find you.

      I'll keep you in mind if I need any content in the near future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
    I completely agree, Matt. When I last started a WFH thread, I got almost instant business. Far less interest this time around (started one yesterday). I'll monitor it and how fast it drops before drawing any conclusions, though. It could also be a temporary influx, so only time will tell. Could be a bunch of people looking for quick extra Christmas cash who will vanish in February.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    @Matt. I would say it is both a combination of the sheer number of those offering content services; and the dirt cheap prices that they are willing to write for. The average warrior (who probably isn't making a full time income online yet), is probably going to go with one of the cheap offers because that is what seems to be the norm. I wouldn't give up though, just keep bumping when you can and bringing those clients willing to meet your prices.

    It's an annoyance to say the least; but one we are just going to have to deal with.
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  • Profile picture of the author salaka
    hi
    i have not used your services or read any of your articles but
    i do buy articles from Warriors for Hire section
    and the the price i pay is arround $1.00 per 100 words and the article writer is us based and articles are for my web sites (they use LSI keywords)

    you can even find us based writer or uk based ones for about .60cent per 100 words

    you need look at your prices i think
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by nicsonish View Post

      There was an WSO about reselling backlinks on Warriorforum. Mabye some guys took action.
      Originally Posted by salaka View Post

      hi
      i have not used your services or read any of your articles but
      i do buy articles from Warriors for Hire section
      and the the price i pay is arround $1.00 per 100 words and the article writer is us based and articles are for my web sites (they use LSI keywords)

      you can even find us based writer or uk based ones for about .60cent per 100 words

      you need look at your prices i think
      These two prove both of my points actually. Between the "What to do if you're desperate thread" (Services are mentioned a lot) and God knows how many WSO's telling people to sell services, the influx of Warriors for Hire was inevitable. Most will flame out though, at least in my opinion.

      Salaka put into words the mindset that many many Warriors have. They think that the best content around can be had for a penny per word, all day everyday. That's their problem though. Just keep doing what you do and wait for the right people to see your offer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Barr
      Originally Posted by salaka View Post

      hi
      i have not used your services or read any of your articles but
      i do buy articles from Warriors for Hire section
      and the the price i pay is arround $1.00 per 100 words and the article writer is us based and articles are for my web sites (they use LSI keywords)

      you can even find us based writer or uk based ones for about .60cent per 100 words

      you need look at your prices i think
      Yes, I've bought at that sort of price before, and the articles are very poorly written.

      Matt,
      It's not just a problem in the content provision service market, it's the whole section. I find I get most business from people actually doing a search, or clicking on my signature.

      There have been numerous WSOs released over the last few months which advocate opening a thread in WFH advertising pretty much any kind of service - writing, backlinking, design - and then outsourcing it to people on Fiverr, elance, etc., for a profit. The result has been a completely swamped WFH section full of people trying to sell services which they have no idea how to achieve.

      The key to a successful WFH ad is to have good feedback on there - so the clients you do attract, ask them nicely to follow up with a review on your thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author salaka
        Originally Posted by Karen Barr View Post

        Yes, I've bought at that sort of price before, and the articles are very poorly written.

        Matt,
        It's not just a problem in the content provision service market, it's the whole section. I find I get most business from people actually doing a search, or clicking on my signature.

        There have been numerous WSOs released over the last few months which advocate opening a thread in WFH advertising pretty much any kind of service - writing, backlinking, design - and then outsourcing it to people on Fiverr, elance, etc., for a profit. The result has been a completely swamped WFH section full of people trying to sell services which they have no idea how to achieve.

        The key to a successful WFH ad is to have good feedback on there - so the clients you do attract, ask them nicely to follow up with a review on your thread.
        sure i agree you will get bad content but then again if you pay over the odds like $3 per 100 words you will get bad artcles as well its about trial and error, cheap is not always bad you need to try and find out what they can do
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by salaka View Post

          sure i agree you will get bad content but then again if you pay over the odds like $3 per 100 words you will get bad artcles as well its about trial and error, cheap is not always bad you need to try and find out what they can do
          I think you are kind of on the right track with what you are saying; but not completely. Of course you can find crap content all across the pricing grid. That's just the way it is. You seem to suggest that the odds are the same across this grid though, and that I disagree with. Common sense would suggest that the odds get lower the higher up the price scale you go. Those who can't hack it don't last very long up with the top writers, so they disappear. What is left is the "cream of the crop". Down around the penny per word market though, all types of writers (good and mostly bad) can hang around and fester, never being pushed out of the market because "hey the content is cheap".

          You get what I'm saying hopefully.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    I think the holidays may have something to do with clients purchasing less articles. At least the ones who aren't buying review articles for Christmas shoppers, of course.

    You might try getting more offline clients or clients through LinkedIn.

    It always amazes me when someone makes a post such as: "i needs more monney in a quickly way" and then a host of posters say, "Why not write articles!"

    Ignore the posters telling you to lower prices. I'm raising rates again in January. You were smart to start off with higher rates in the beginning.

    Rose
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  • Profile picture of the author Amy Harrop
    As a few posters pointed out, the bulk of your clientele may not necessarily be people who frequent the Warrior Forum. Those clients are out there, but it may require some additional marketing to find them. Promoting yourself with LinkedIn, or contacting people and websites directly might unearth more premium clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Matt,

    There are a number of factors involved. Along with the offer, there's the increased number of sellers, the seasonal slowdown, and the fact that a lot of people who "shop" in that section will have already seen your ad.

    The "competition" isn't an issue. The people who want SEO'd content aren't your market, and they're the ones who expect to pay pennies a word or less.

    I'm going to suggest something that will sound heretical to many people here. But not the experienced folks. Start adding new channels of advertising to your mix. For your kind of service business, there's a dollars/time limitation on your income, and you're fishing in the wrong pool if you want to start raising that ratio much beyond your current level.

    I would also suggest you use your talents and downtime to develop your own properties. A single really good article that gets traffic and pre-sells a useful product (or generates subscribers) can be worth much, much more to you over time than almost anyone will be willing to pay.


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    • Profile picture of the author Irish Intuition
      Depending on this site for high quality article leads is
      not going to work well... if you see that vast majority
      on here are broke. Add to that most do not understand
      the VALUE of a great written article.

      They assume they can put any turd out there and the traffic
      will flow.

      Also, you may want to examine your ad itself. I am not
      sure your subject line is alluring enough. Does anyone
      want to 'experience magazine quality articles'?
      The subject line makes or breaks on Warrior.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Matt -

        I do a lot of freelance writing and I don't advertise here.

        Anyone who posts asking "I am new - how can I make money fast - I need money" is told to run a WSO or place a for hire ad by people answering in the thread. Others come here to find cheap services and those are easy to find.

        There are many places where $5/100 words is a steal - but in the for hire section, that's considered "expensive".

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        • Profile picture of the author J Bold
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Matt -

          I do a lot of freelance writing and I don't advertise here.

          Anyone who posts asking "I am new - how can I make money fast - I need money" is told to run a WSO or place a for hire ad by people answering in the thread. Others come here to find cheap services and those are easy to find.

          There are many places where $5/100 words is a steal - but in the for hire section, that's considered "expensive".

          kay
          So why not share some of those places where that would be a steal?

          Or perhaps share some places where you've had success doing freelance writing and where others could do the same.

          I think it would be helpful to the OP.

          Just asking...
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  • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
    Originally Posted by Matt.Lake View Post

    Hi Everyone,

    This isn't a rant as such, although it is annoying me.

    Just out of interest, would anyone "in the know" be able to say whether or not the "Warriors for Hire" section of this forum has seen a huge increase of services being offered in the last few months?

    I say this because the last few bumps of the thread for my article writing service have seen very little response. Obviously my offer has a lot to do with it and that's the first thing I take into account, but when I really analyse the situation, it's really no big surprise. Within a few hours of bumping my thread, it's been pushed two thirds of the way down the first page and onto the second page after only the first day. Hardly anyone sees the damn thing!

    I'm pretty sure this never used to happen.

    I'm fortunate enough to have a pretty steady client base (who probably the majority of which originally found me from this forum) so only need to bump my thread every now and then to fill in any gaps in my schedule and get new clients. But the fact is, when I do bump my thread these days, it's not uncommon to get zero response.

    I also appreciate I offer a somewhat "premium" writing service compared to what else is available on the forum, and that perhaps my service isn't what the majority of people on here are looking for (I charge an outrageous $25 for an article ). But as I say, I've picked up the majority of my clients from this forum so there are plenty of people willing to pay that, I just think they're not finding me these days.

    To the mods, have you considered charging, say, double the price it currently costs to bump a thread?

    That might not be a popular option for other providers but I for one would happily pay more if it meant less overall threads, thus giving you more time in the higher positions of the first page.

    Frankly, as it stands now I will probably stop using the "Warriors for Hire" section for good. It has served me well and I'm very thankful for the service and the clients it has generated for me up until now, but I'm not going to continue paying for what little exposure I get nowadays - due to what I believe are too many threads.

    So has there been a noticeable increase in service providers or am I completely off the mark? And what are other people's thoughts on this?

    Thanks for reading,

    Matt

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    • Profile picture of the author dbarnum
      Originally Posted by Marianne Gonne View Post

      It would have been against Warrior Forum rules for Matt to enable his signature in a thread he started about his service/WFH ad.

      I'd been checking his Profile and other posts, but it shows now. So that's good!
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
        The increase in popularity of WSO's the past year or so is probably spilling into other areas of the forum.

        As Kay noted, a lot of peeps, e-books, and courses are telling people to come here to offer their products and services.

        So you're going to have kick up a notch to compete.
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
    Originally Posted by Matt.Lake View Post


    To the mods, have you considered charging, say, double the price it currently costs to bump a thread?
    I don't think the solution is to raise the price. I believe the solution is to make different sub-forums for each type of service. That way the postings would have less competition and scroll off the screen at a slower rate.
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    • Profile picture of the author nellterry
      I think everyone's been right so far. My experience has been somewhat different... I didn't label myself a "premium" writer, although I am. I have a master's degree. I was published in a university textbook. Do the people looking for articles in the WFH section care about that, though?

      No.

      I think - and I could always be wrong here - But, I think calling yourself "premium" and pricing like that may be putting people off. I myself have priced slightly higher than many on there - but I didn't push it. In my ad, which reads like a sales page, I talk like I'm the cheapest for my experience level, what a bargain it is, etc. I have had 3 clients who RECENTLY found my WFH thread from the archives, and I haven't needed to bump for quite some time. But I market in other ways, too.

      I'm assuming you have a writer's website, right? Thought about putting the link in your sig file? Then putting it in your sig file on other forums you frequent, too? Do you comment on relevant blogs? Have you considered an AdWords ad for your writing site?

      What I'm trying to say, I guess, is that I have more work than I can handle, and I'm definitely NOT working for pennies. I spend a little part of each day doing some kind of marketing, then I write the rest of the time. If you don't do it constantly, you lose relevance.

      The rules for getting exposure as a writer are a little different than those for IMers. We have to kind of feel out way blindly through the 'net, and I hope my advice here helps you out (at least a little).

      Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt.Lake
    Thanks to everyone who took the time to reply.

    For the record, as it seems some people jumped to conclusions, my writing business is actually going fine. It's not like business has completely dried up because my WFH ad isn't working for me anymore. I have a steady stream of regular clients and word of mouth works quite well for me, so I'm far from out of business.

    My main point for starting this thread was simply that I had noticed a sudden decrease in the effectiveness of my WFH ad which for months was working well for me. I just wanted to see if others were experiencing the same thing and if there was an obvious reason why. It seems they are... and as some people have said, with such things as WSO's encouraging people to start offering services on the forum for a quick buck, these may be valid reasons why.

    I know where I stand in terms of my prices and who I'm catering for, and I'm also aware that in a lot of other industries, even my rates are a steal. I'm not really complaining about those issues. I myself only started writing in order to fund my own IM projects so that's why I began by writing for IMer's... and I've probably been doing this a lot longer than I originally intended

    Advice about other marketing channels for my writing service and the need to diversify my income is obviously excellent and I hope it helps people reading this thread, but I'm well aware of the need. I actually have other income streams in place and if things keep progressing as they are, I should actually be able to retire from writing completely within the next few months. Yay me.

    Again, I was simply commenting on how badly the WFH section itself has been working for me recently and was just putting it out there. I actually believe it was around this time last year that I first started offering my services (at the same prices I do now) and I had a good response... great in fact. That's why I was just a bit confused.

    So may be no changes to the WFH section do need to be made and it's just not for me anymore, but I do think suggestions like Terry's above are good, about having sub-forums for the different services available. It's just food for thought.

    Anyway, thanks again to everyone who posted.

    Matt
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