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12 years ago

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The truth is that most of us want to hear only
those answers that we want to hear,

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zamzung 12 years ago

Originally Posted by warriorkay

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The truth is that most of us want to hear only
those answers that we want to hear,

Kingsley

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Yup, that's true and that's the real problem... it seems to me that many people come here in search for easy money without any work involved, investments and so on... that's annoy me too...
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jonluk

12 years ago

Zamzung, unfortunately that's life. Making money on the Internet is portrayed as being easy, so it attracts people who don't have anything to invest in their business. In fact it attracts people who don't even realise that it is a real business.

Fernando, if people get upset at the answer you give so what. All that matters is that you give the best answer you can. Whether they take it on board or not is entirely up to them. You've lost nothing (other than a little time) by trying to help them.

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tpw

12 years ago

Fernando: Shut up!! I don't want to hear those things that you think are wise!!

Originally Posted by jonluk

Fernando, if people get upset at the answer you give so what. All that matters is that you give the best answer you can. Whether they take it on board or not is entirely up to them. You've lost nothing (other than a little time) by trying to help them.

Actually, when people don't want to hear what we have to say, the best thing to do is to say it anyway, because the next person who will come to the thread most likely won't be "blinded by ego."

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Mark Andrews

Banned 12 years ago

There seems to be a new breed of posters these days, I can't compliment them and call them Warrior's because, well, they're not Warrior's, they are just posters. Nothing more. People who expect, nay demand to get everything they can for nothing.

Guys and gals who post up, for example, in the Copywriting Forum asking for advice to help them with their current conversion rate. More than a few very experienced copywriters chirp in, offer their advice and lo and behold the OP can't even say a simple thank you for their time and expertise or free advice rendered / given to them.

And some of these posters who do reply... they start getting into a disagreement with those kind professionals proffering their advice won on years of hard direct experience in the field.

I mean seriously, every professional copywriter I know including myself has been in the advertising and marketing field for many years. One or two of us including myself, self employed for a few decades.

We've not only chalked up a mere 10,000-15,000 hours in the field but probably something more akin to 100,000-150,000 hours plus over the course of a few decades.

If we offer advice based on our professional experience, take it on the chin and apply it. Don't waffle some BS back at us thinking you know better.

There's nothing worse than a complete greenhorn trying to tell an old hand how something works or how it's done when you've only been in the game for a matter of weeks or months online.

When advice is given to you, don't take it personally, just accept the advice for what it is... advice which quite possibly, upon being implemented into a plan of action, could actually start helping you to make some money.

This is all us professional marketers are interested in, helping ourselves and others to make some more moolah.

At least show some appreciation when this kind of free advice is offered to you.

Show some gratitude.

Say thank you. I mean...

...what is this world coming to when people just expect / demand everything to be handed to them on a plate all the time?

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LBspeaks 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Mark Andrews

...what is this world coming to when people just expect / demand everything to be handed to them on a plate all the time?

Nothing but completely just... Hardwork and dedication no longer have competition... and humility is as common as common sense.

I love where this world is going
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davezan

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

but when someone comes in and tells you some truths you get all offended and defensive.

Know what? If you can't handle the truth in a online forum, you'll be getting way more stressed when dealing with it in real live, full 3D and bright colors.

Originally Posted by Mark Andrews

Show some gratitude.

Say thank you.

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Lee Murray

12 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Fernando: Shut up!! I don't want to hear those things that you think are wise!!

Actually, when people don't want to hear what we have to say, the best thing to do is to say it anyway, because the next person who will come to the thread most likely won't be "blinded by ego."

That is exactly right. Both the asker and the answerer(s) have provided tremendous value to the folks who find the thread by doing a Google search, hoping to solve the exact same problem being addressed.

Regardless of emotion, the wisdom has been laid out for the next guy's (or gal's) benefit.

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Alan Petersen 12 years ago

Some of it is that they don't really want advice they're just sig pimping/branding/promoting then it blows up in their face. But a lot of it is just human nature.

I don't like what my accountant tells me either.
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DavidTT

12 years ago

thats called answering a question that you already know the answer.

seriously in the IM world ive notice that theres some who ask alot and complain alot and others that do alot and are start to the point when it comes to finding the answer or asking a question.

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travlinguy

12 years ago

Many people want others to affirm or confirm what they already think. I've seen some people here get tons of great advice, ignore all of it and then run out to the marketplace and fail miserably. And then in a month or two they come back with the exact same situation asking the exact same questions. And they're still looking for people to agree. So it goes... :rolleyes:

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JimDucharme

12 years ago

Originally Posted by travlinguy

Many people want others to affirm or confirm what they already think. I've seen some people here get tons of great advice, ignore all of it and then run out to the marketplace and fail miserably. And then in a month or two they come back with the exact same situation asking the exact same questions. And they're still looking for people to agree. So it goes... :rolleyes:

That's a very insightful observation sir. People want validation and when that doesn't happen some can react defensively. A primary reason for sharing information online is validation - we want to test our POV and see if others confirm it. It's not unique to WF by any means, it's just human nature.

What escapes some people is that you learn more when your POV is challenged than you do when it's simply confirmed. I know I do and I try not to get defensive, I try to simply be grateful someone took the time to offer some perspective. However, nobody is perfect and I certainly have my share of "thin skin" moments.

As dad always says: We fall so we can learn to rise.

As David pointed out, there are doers, lurkers and builders in communities. Personally, I'm going to say thank you right here and now to those in this community who actively try to help others. I believe the majority appreciate your efforts and consideration.

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David Keith

12 years ago

I agree with the OP, it seems to me that I see a lot of people looking for the answers they want rather than looking for the answers that are correct. Its sad because not only are they wasting our time, but they will almost certainly never achieve what they set out to because of their closed minded methods of "taking advice".

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yourreviewer

12 years ago

A guy drives his car and notices a screeching noise every time he turns corners.

So he heads to the mechanic for his advice.

The mechanic takes a look at the car and says, 'The brake pads are worn out and that's causing the noise, they need to be replaced. It would cost you $x.'

The guy replies, 'F*** you, you are a liar, a scumbag, I know there is nothing wrong with my car. You just want to rip me off', gets into his car, slams his door and drives away.

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warriorkay

12 years ago

Originally Posted by yourreviewer

A guy drives his car and notices a screeching noise every time he turns corners.

So he heads to the mechanic for his advice.

The mechanic takes a look at the car and says, 'The brake pads are worn out and that's causing the noise, they need to be replaced. It would cost you .'

The guy replies, 'F*** you, you are a liar, a scumbag, I know there is nothing wrong with my car. You just want to rip me off', gets into his car, slams his door and drives away.

And... ?

I will like to know how this story ends,

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aduttonater 12 years ago

Some of those people who those threads already know the answers. They create the thread just so they can get traffic to their signature link. It's ridiculous, but it's true.
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danr62 12 years ago

Originally Posted by warriorkay

And... ?

I will like to know how this story ends,

Kingsley

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And the brakes fail and he gets into a wreck.
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- travlinguy 12 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by danr62
  
  And the brakes fail and he gets into a wreck.
  
  Yeah, and sues the mechanic for not telling him there was a problem. :rolleyes:
  
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  Paul Myers 12 years ago
  
  Mark,
  
  There seems to be a new breed of posters these days
  
  This isn't new. It's been going on for as long as there have been people. The first time I heard this complaint "online" was in a Fidonet echo, at 300 baud.
  
  Complaining about it is roughly as productive as griping about the "Which autoresponder is best" threads, or folks who argue without reading.
  
  It's just part of the process.
  
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yourreviewer 12 years ago

Originally Posted by warriorkay

And... ?

I will like to know how this story ends,

Kingsley

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You can make up your own ending, but the point was that many folks here have that guy's attitude. They post here asking for advice and when they read something that they don't want to hear, they come out with their guns blazing at the people who are trying to help them.
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dukestravels1972

12 years ago

I only get irritated by the three word, post boosting, cocky answers you always get when asking a question. For the most part I can take reality, because I'm a newbie and am grateful for ANY advice I can get.

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kokopelli

12 years ago

People are inherently lazy, I think - that's why there are so many "questions" that can be easily answered by just doing a simple forum or internet search. Or they just want a confirmation of what they already know, or should know.

And then there of course are the spammers and those trying to increase their post count ...

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Oswald Luis

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso

Really getting frustrated with some Warriors.

Some of YOU guys open up threads asking for advice for this and that, but when someone comes in and tells you some truths you get all offended and defensive.

Know what? If you can't handle the truth in a online forum, you'll be getting way more stressed when dealing with it in real live, full 3D and bright colors.

Sheeshh.

Agree with you,but in anywhere you go you are going to find people doing that.

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blillard

12 years ago

EVERYONE needs a dose of Suzanne once and while. I love how she goes hard and make others go home. Can't take the heat then get yo A$$ out the kitchen.

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HairyPoppins

12 years ago

I've noticed that very thing. People ask for questions they get answers and then they get super offended that everything isn't rainbows and unicorns. It seems so silly. But hey what are you going to do? There's always going to be bozos.