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Exit Pops in WSO Thread?

by blillard
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I must be high or something but I just went to a thread in the WSO section that has an exit pop when you try to leave the page. Is that allowed as I have never seen that done before?
#exit #pops #thread #wso
  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    Wow - I never heard of that before!

    I certainly hope it is not allowed, I didn't even know it was possible.

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  • Profile picture of the author bertosio
    Must be against TOS!
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    Also, are you sure you were at the warriorforum.com and not a spoof domain? Exit popups are done by inserting code into a web page. There is no way to insert that sort of code without using forbidden tactics into a thread that I am aware of.
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    • Profile picture of the author blillard
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      Also, are you sure you were at the warriorforum.com and not a spoof domain? Exit popups are done by inserting code into a web page. There is no way to insert that sort of code without using forbidden tactics into a thread that I am aware of.
      I can log in, I can see my PM's the whole Nine I am certain Im still on the forum. My user name is still in the top corner and everything.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        In that case - if it were me I'd go into that WSO thread and ask the seller "why am getting an exit pop on this thread"?


        ....or perhaps the question is "how can I add an exit pop in my WSO thread"?
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        • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          or perhaps the question is "how can I add an exit pop in my WSO thread"?
          LOL, I sure hope the day never comes when you can add pop-ups to your thread! Can you imagine what this forum would be like?

          Kind of like allowing cell phones on planes - it's a technological advance that would make life miserable for the majority of us.




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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by mywebwork View Post

            I sure hope the day never comes when you can add pop-ups to your thread! Can you imagine what this forum would be like?

            Kind of like allowing cell phones on planes - it's a technological advance that would make life miserable for the majority of us.
            I agree completely.

            What baffles me is how/why so many marketers put them on their sales pages (usually without split-testing them properly). What's clear to the majority in some contexts is apparently not quite so easy to see, in others ...
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            • Profile picture of the author David Keith
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              I agree completely.

              What baffles me is how/why so many marketers put them on their sales pages (usually without split-testing them properly). What's clear to the majority in some contexts is apparently not quite so easy to see, in others ...
              Hum, I have never seen any results that indicate an exit popup lowers conversion rates of any meaningful metric. These exit popups only show when a person leaves a site and does not click "buy" or take the desired action (optin).

              At that point, the sales or squeeze page has failed to do its job, and those people who see the exit popup would have been part of the non-conversion stats anyway.

              Sure, I understand that people may not like them, but once a sales page has failed, there is no point in trying to make people happy at that point. Show the exit popup and move some of those "did not converts" to the other side of your conversion stats.

              I think you may have been referring to normal popups that show "onload" or after a specific period of time, which often times do lower conversion rates. The old adage "direct don't distract" comes to mind.
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

                I have never seen any results that indicate an exit popup lowers conversion rates of any meaningful metric.
                I've seen results that show them ...

                (a) reducing the proportion of "otherwise-expected" returning traffic after seeing the pop-up and leaving, and ...

                (b) reducing income over a period of time (when compared with the same number of original unique visits to the same page without the pop-up, because they reduce returning traffic).

                Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

                once a sales page has failed, there is no point in trying to make people happy at that point.
                For me, this depends what you mean by "failed". Not so many people buy at their first visit to a sales page. Many will return and buy later. Unless a pop-up puts them off - in some cases. I'm (literally) just making the point that it's not quite as easy to test this reliably as some people imagine.

                Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

                These exit popups only show when a person leaves a site and does not click "buy" or take the desired action (optin).
                That's one of the things that makes them so difficult to monitor accurately, of course. Hence my comments here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5221544

                Conversations like the one above interest me, because everyone's saying what a bad thing it would be for us to have exit pop-ups in the WSO forum (which of course we don't - and I agree with what's being said), and I'm enough of a skepchick for that to make me wonder what proportion of people who think that still think - without having tested reliably - that it's a good idea for them to have one on their own sales page. :p
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                • Profile picture of the author David Keith
                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  I've seen results that show them ...

                  (a) reducing the proportion of "otherwise-expected" returning traffic after seeing the pop-up and leaving, and ...

                  (b) reducing income over a period of time (when compared with the same number of original unique visits to the same page without the pop-up, because they reduce returning traffic).



                  For me, this depends what you mean by "failed". Not so many people buy at their first visit to a sales page. Many will return and buy later. Unless a pop-up puts them off - in some cases. I'm (literally) just making the point that it's not quite as easy to test this reliably as some people imagine.



                  That's one of the things that makes them so difficult to monitor accurately, of course. Hence my comments here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5221544

                  Conversations like the one above interest me, because everyone's saying what a bad thing it would be for us to have exit pop-ups in the WSO forum (which of course we don't - and I agree with what's being said), and I'm enough of a skepchick for that to make me wonder what proportion of people who think that still think - without having tested reliably - that it's a good idea for them to have one on their own sales page. :p
                  I would be interested in seeing these results that do show that the number of returning visitors that come back and buy was decreased due to using an exit popup.

                  I would also like to see any stats showing that any such increase is not inferior to the results obtained by using the exit popups to build a list or offer an instant discount coupon.

                  I have done several tests on this stuff, with some pretty large traffic numbers, and I have never seen this.

                  If you have some stats, and not just theories. I would not only like to see them, but I would be willing to buy access to these results.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                    Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

                    I would be interested in seeing these results that do show that the number of returning visitors that come back and buy was decreased due to using an exit popup.
                    Yes, I was interested, myself.

                    They're only former clients' results, not my own - I'm not a vendor.

                    Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

                    I have done several tests on this stuff, with some pretty large traffic numbers, and I have never seen this.
                    I'm interested in your testing results, too.

                    Just a question, but have you distinguished between unique and returning visitors, when you've tested?

                    Sorry not to be able to be more helpful, David.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                  It isn't about exit popups in general - it's about them on a WSO thread (which I'll have to see to believe).

                  If WSO's did have exit popups it would not be long before you saw the most common one used today - which is confusing and offers a better deal on the same product.

                  It would lead to affiliates wondering if they are getting credit or not...and some wouldn't be. If there's a trick - someone will try it.

                  I'm not sure how accurate testing of exit pops could be - if the person is leaving your site without buying, it's one last stab at a sale. Many IMers will check for an exit pop before buying these days - to see if there's a lower price offer. That could skew results.

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  • Profile picture of the author blillard
    I monitor my laptop like a hawk I know its not that. It is definitely an exit pop I been around the block for minute. I was just curious really as I never seen it before done maybe an admin can chime in on this one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Originally Posted by blillard View Post

      I monitor my laptop like a hawk I know its not that. It is definitely an exit pop I been around the block for minute. I was just curious really as I never seen it before done maybe an admin can chime in on this one.
      Well you said you "must be high" so thus the mickey.

      Just report the WSO then and let the mods take a look at it. There are always folks up to shenanigans.

      Where did the popup take you? Was it to another section of the WF/WSO or an outside site?

      EDIT - Never mind, as I posted this looks like the mystery has been solved and it was a spoof site.
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      • Profile picture of the author blillard
        Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

        Well you said you "must be high" so thus the mickey.

        Just report the WSO then and let the mods take a look at it. There are always folks up to shenanigans.

        Where did the popup take you? Was it to another section of the WF/WSO or an outside site?

        Haha too funny. I didn't click to see where it took me because I felt like it was way to weird for that to be there as I was still in the forum in my mind. I exited it right away.
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  • Profile picture of the author rusty1027
    I'd figure out how they did it - then make a WSO on adding exit pops to WSOs
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    The OP just sent me the link via PM. it is a spoof site.

    OP. if you look at the url in your address bar you will see that it is not warriorforum.com but another domain.

    they have used one of several different cloaking methods to make the entire site look as though it is warriorforum.com but it is not.

    edit: if you went to that site via a link and logged into the WF from that site, you need to change your password asap.
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    • Profile picture of the author blillard
      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      The OP just sent me the link via PM. it is a spoof site.

      OP. if you look at the url in your address bar you will see that it is not warriorforum.com but another domain.

      they have used one of several different cloaking methods to make the entire site look as though it is warriorforum.com but it is not.

      edit: if you went to that site via a link and logged into the WF from that site, you need to change your password asap.
      I did notice the site url and it did trip me out. They are good lol
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    I once clicked on a banner and the offer, right here, had
    this too.

    I also thought I was high or something. Maybe I was...
    as I didn't save the url or even do anything about it,


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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Stephens
    It just shows how careful we must be. The OP didn't even realise it was a dummy domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    Yes, Alexa my test did differentiate between unique and returning visitors to the best of my ability to test such things. obviously testing methods rely on things such as cookies and such, which are somewhat fallible. (ok more than somewhat).

    The only time I have ever seen any results that are even close to showing the situation you mentioned are when the popups are either improperly used or when they are used on pages that are not "landing" pages.

    I have seen these exit popups deploy when a person clicks the "buy now" button, which obviously is a no no.

    I have seen a couple of situations where using an exit pop on the "content" pages of a site does in fact annoy visors to the point where they leave and don't come back or they come back less frequently.

    But when used properly on a landing page, I have never seen any results showing that an exit popup was detrimental to long term earnings. Of course there are a number of different exit popup styles and uses which also need to be looked into for various situations.

    BTW Alexa, I was not trying to call you out by asking to see the results, I am big on testing things. And I was/am generally interested in seeing results that go against my own. I am sure there would be some marketing lessons to be learned from those situations.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by David Keith View Post

      BTW Alexa, I was not trying to call you out by asking to see the results, I am big on testing things. And I was/am generally interested in seeing results that go against my own. I am sure there would be some marketing lessons to be learned from those situations.
      No, no ... I understand. (Hope I didn't come across that way.) I agree with you. It's always interesting when people have different conclusions from split-testing something. Sometimes one can identify what factors might have produced different results, I think? Other times, perhaps not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    I think you might just be high

    LOL someone, anyone.. please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this, BUT in order to make an exit popup you would need to use HTML.

    Since HTML isnt allowed in posts/threads on these forums, I don't think you saw an exit popup for a thread. Might have been in one of the buttons or something that you possibly clicked, but even that isn't allowed (I dont think)
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    • Profile picture of the author David Keith
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      I think you might just be high

      LOL someone, please correct me if I'm wrong about this, but to do an exit popup you would need to use HTML.

      HTML isnt allowed in posts, so I dont think so.
      yes, this is true. more correctly you need to be able to add scripts to a page not just html. The software that powers this forum is pretty locked down against that sort of thing.

      As I posted earlier in the thread, this turned out to be a spoof site that was mimicking the WF.

      It has been reported to the proper authorities as well. (just the help desk, nothing to fancy)
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  • Profile picture of the author Ed Micah
    I don't think... you're able to insert javascripts into posts, can you?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dann Vicker
    I would believe the page is hosted on an external domain, and not the warriorforum. It would be spooky if every page on the forum starts having an exit pop up
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    There are no popups in the WSO forum and there never will be. That is unless the mods decide to allow things like javascript which they would be mad to do. They don't even let you embed your own video player (which I agree with) so the last thing they are going to do is open up things so people can abuse the forum with popups, etc. That is exactly why forums use bb code rather than html code so people cannot manipulate things.

    But seriously, if you want to use a popup on your WSO you are more than entitled to do so. Just link from your WSO thread to an external sales page that has the popup on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Oswald Luis
    wow this is impresive,that must be something agains the rules!
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      Originally Posted by Oswald Luis View Post

      wow this is impresive,that must be something agains the rules!

      There is a reason why some people comment on threads without following the storyline from beginning to end before they comment... :p


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  • Profile picture of the author yoangov
    So where is the link, I got curious?

    Also change your password if you have logged in into this site.
    It's sad that some people have no moral at all and trying to get rich with this loll...
    Just imagine, you can put thousands of possitive reviews and make everything looks good, then all you have to do it drive some traffic...

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