Getting a book re-written

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Hi,

I need a book re-written.. what would be the best way to go about this?

Are there websites for this service and what sort of price would it cost?

Thanks
Joe
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Warriors for hire would be a good place to start.
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  • Profile picture of the author StevenWatanabe
    I agree with keeping things inside the warrior community. That way you can read the feedback others have left and make a decision based on that. Otherwise, you might be able to check out odesk.com or freelancer.com and see if anyone on there can get it done. I do caution you though that a majority of the freelancers on both sites are not native English speakers.

    You also might try you luck at posting the job on a college campus. Students need money, and what better place to find a writer than a desperate college student that is in their prime for writing?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Motion
    Cheers, love the last idea.

    I'm going to try and find a 'writers forum' perhaps..

    At the moment I'm getting offers but then just thinking 'why not write it myself'... attempted that this morning and I've managed 340 words in about an hour..

    What I need is someone to look at the book I'm basing mine on and create a structured table of contents for me to work around.....

    I guess some people are just blessed with this writing ability... I'm not!
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkMOZ
    I'd just contact writers or ones that rewrite especially and see if they can do it for you. Just a fair warning, it might cost you more than getting a new one written but it depends on the length of the book itself.
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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      Originally Posted by Joe Motion View Post

      Hi,

      I need a book re-written..
      Originally Posted by Joe Motion View Post

      What I need is someone to look at the book I'm basing mine on and create a structured table of contents for me to work around.....
      Sorry, but that rings alarm bells for me. If you "rewrote" any of my products and then offered them as your own, you'd find yourself on the wrong end of a DMCA notice so quickly you couldn't even say "money".

      Be careful. Write your own product. Of course, if that other book contains techniques that you have used yourself, understand and can write about then use them. But just "rewriting" someone else's work is the quick road to having your site removed.

      Don't waste your time, money and work.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

        just "rewriting" someone else's work is the quick road to having your site removed.

        Don't waste your time, money and work.
        This ^^^^ exactly.

        What sort of book is this, Joe?

        I'm guessing (and please excuse me if I'm wrong!) that it isn't a book you wrote yourself? Otherwise you'd be re-writing it yourself, too? So, if it's someone else's book, what's going on here? You didn't say "re-writing PLR", you said "re-writing a book". Please excuse the observation that this sounds a little alarming.

        And, from your perspective, potentially terribly dangerous.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe Motion
        Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

        Sorry, but that rings alarm bells for me. If you "rewrote" any of my products and then offered them as your own, you'd find yourself on the wrong end of a DMCA notice so quickly you couldn't even say "money".
        It would be re-written so you wouldn't stand a chance in court.

        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        I'm guessing (and please excuse me if I'm wrong!) that it isn't a book you wrote yourself? Otherwise you'd be re-writing it yourself, too? So, if it's someone else's book, what's going on here? You didn't say "re-writing PLR", you said "re-writing a book". Please excuse the observation that this is pretty alarming.

        And, from your perspective, potentially terribly dangerous.
        I've written a lot of books in various niches. I've also outsourced a ton and 'polished' up a lot through outsourcing sites such as oDesk.

        I know it doesn't sound great but I want someone to 're-write' it then I will work over it again to make sure it passes through okay.

        Thank you for all the other suggestions
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Joe Motion View Post

          It would be re-written so you wouldn't stand a chance in court.
          I don't know what appals me more - the fact that you want to re-write an author's content, or the fact that you apparently have no shame at all in openly asking Warriors for their help/advice in doing it.

          There are large numbers of us here who are all too used to having our work stolen and re-written like this. How warm a reception did you expect?! :rolleyes:

          Your own best bet, I think, at this stage, would be for the Moderators to delete the thread for you. Maybe they will ...
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        • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
          Originally Posted by Joe Motion View Post

          It would be re-written so you wouldn't stand a chance in court.
          Fortunately:
          a) I don't have a product in the relationship niche, so I won't be seeing you "in court"
          b) I don't have a product in the relationship niche, so I won't be issuing a DMCA notice. Google, as far as I'm aware, don't wait for court orders before removing stolen content.

          I hope, for your sake, that you have deeper pockets for your lawyers than the original creator of this product does so that you do "stand a chance in court". 'Cos that's where you're heading.

          Why don't you find a similar, legitimate, product that offers a higher commission rate? You've clearly done a lot of work to get your site to a position where it is making regular sales. Don't spoil it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucas Becker
    Originally Posted by Joe Motion View Post

    Hi,

    I need a book re-written.. what would be the best way to go about this?

    Are there websites for this service and what sort of price would it cost?

    Thanks
    Joe
    Hi Joe,

    as it was said above me, if I were you, I wouldn't just re-write a book without adding anything new. In fact, I wouldn't re-write a book at all, if I were to write a new book (and I have written a few already), I would make sure it included my own ideas and thoughts.

    What you can do, of course, is do your research on the topic you are going to write about, obtain all the information that's to be read on the Internet and compile it into one single piece of work.

    Now to your question; you can hire quality re-writers from the Philippines, they are usually hard workers and pretty cheap. You can even "employ" them, meaning they would work for you on a long-term basis. I pay some of my writers $200 per month and they work for me 6 days a week.

    The website to find such writers is onlinejobs.ph. But make sure that you contact at least 5 people and test them out before you employ them. Give them a sample of text to re-write and see how fast and how well they do their work.

    Also make sure to be with them in contact via Skype. Email communication is not the fastest!

    Hope this helps, Merry Christmas!
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  • Profile picture of the author carter3
    Originally Posted by Joe Motion View Post

    Hi,

    I need a book re-written.. what would be the best way to go about this?

    Are there websites for this service and what sort of price would it cost?

    Thanks
    Joe

    PLR EBOOKS (Private label rights) are good in the sense that you can turn them to your own copy and have rights to it. There are so many websites offering such services as a site or a membership site, where you will pay a monthly price and have access to as many eBooks as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Motion
    So I can't rewrite a book on divorce? :lol:

    Amazon.com and Kindle would be bankrupt if everyone went with what you're saying.

    I've had a few decent offers via PM so all is not wasted. Thanks for the sensible replies. And for the record I'm pretty certain it's okay to rewrite articles/content etc... if it was a 'story' then perhaps that's crossing the line - this is non-fiction and facts....!

    This is business my friend - I wouldn't spend my money and time on a product if there was a chance of being sued.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Joe Motion View Post

      So I can't rewrite a book on divorce? :lol:

      Amazon.com and Kindle would be bankrupt if everyone went with what you're saying.

      I've had a few decent offers via PM so all is not wasted. Thanks for the sensible replies. And for the record I'm pretty certain it's okay to rewrite articles/content etc... if it was a 'story' then perhaps that's crossing the line - this is non-fiction and facts....!

      This is business my friend - I wouldn't spend my money and time on a product if there was a chance of being sued.
      If you decide to go down this path, and it sounds like you have, you'd best have your re-writer do a damn good job.

      Otherwise, you'll need to hope that your understanding of the term "derivative work" is better than that of a lawyer on a contingency fee...
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        The truth is you are in Thailand and think laws of other countries can't reach you. Think "derivative copy". A writer who would take on this project could be your "fall guy" and I'm sure you've thought of that, too. "I hired the writer but I didn't know he was plagiarizing"...right.

        Writers I know wouldn't touch a project like this. One that would isn't someone I'd hire. You may think you are safe - but your site won't be.

        This is not the first thread I've read today about "how to cheat" - how low can people go?

        kay
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    I stand in awe of your knowledge of the law

    Happy Christmas
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  • Profile picture of the author sjukun
    I read somewhere else that idea cannot be protected by copyright, only the way the idea is expressed can be protected. Can anyone confirm this? If this is true, then rewrite a book is legal, OMG!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Motion
      Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

      I stand in awe of your knowledge of the law

      Happy Christmas
      Thanks, my best friend is actually a lawyer. I can assure you I wouldn't waste my time releasing something that is going to cause me problems. The book will eventually be published on Amazon (along with a ton of my other ones that are successfully making me daily cash) - they wouldn't want the problems either. Thanks for your concern though!

      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      The truth is you are in Thailand and think laws of other countries can't reach you.
      What has me being in Thailand got to do with it? I'm location independent - I work solely from my laptop. It doesn't mean I don't understand or abide by the laws of my home country (the UK). What you've just implied is a disgrace.

      Originally Posted by sjukun View Post

      I read somewhere else that idea cannot be protected by copyright, only the way the idea is expressed can be protected. Can anyone confirm this? If this is true, then rewrite a book is legal, OMG!!!
      I'd consult a proper copyright lawyer on this.

      What I'm doing is re-writing general advice on divorce. Something these ladies seem to misunderstand!

      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      If you decide to go down this path, and it sounds like you have, you'd best have your re-writer do a damn good job.

      Otherwise, you'll need to hope that your understanding of the term "derivative work" is better than that of a lawyer on a contingency fee...
      Thanks John, it will actually be re-written a few times. I'm a bit of a perfectionist but want to get this book out ASAP!

      Merry Xmas everyone, I'm off to celebrate
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    • Originally Posted by sjukun View Post

      I read somewhere else that idea cannot be protected by copyright, only the way the idea is expressed can be protected. Can anyone confirm this? If this is true, then rewrite a book is legal, OMG!!!
      In the US, you are talking about Baker v. Seldon. Basically, Seldon came up with an efficient system of bookkeeping, but was never able to sell his system to governments, which was his original plan. Seldon dies, and the rights to his book pass to his wife. Later, Baker writes a book describing a very similar system, and is much more successful in selling it. Seldon's wife sued, claiming violation of her late husband's copyright.

      The USSC ruled that, in order to protect the actual process described, Seldon would need a patent, rather than a copyright. The copyright protects the expression of the idea, rather than the idea itself. So, basically, if the idea isn't patented, you can steal it as long as you aren't copying the author's expression.

      THAT BEING SAID, that doesn't mean you can just rewrite willy-nilly. I'm sure there are reams of case law on this subject, and if you keep going around rewriting, you will be sued. Also, US law is not the only law in the world. Other countries or regional blocs may have laws which are more strict.

      There are large publishers in the US and elsewhere who would be happy to make an example of you.
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    When I see a thread like this I get a new list of usernames to add to my "check the calender" list.

    I know never to do business with them, or take the time to answer their cries for "help"
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  • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
    Hello Joe:

    I think that you may need to be careful about how you go about this.

    Perhaps it is as you say with respect to others on Amazon.

    Does that mean that it should be done, just because you CAN do it?

    What will you say when or if it is done to you?

    CT
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Motion
      Originally Posted by Gene43 View Post

      Your own best bet, I think, at this stage, would be for the Moderators to delete the thread for you. Maybe they will ...

      Why do you have a ton of external images in your post.

      As for this thread - there is nothing wrong with asking where I can get a book rewritten. As long as the rewritten copy isn't going against any copyright laws then it's 100% legal.

      I've received a few offers by private message so this thread has been extremely useful. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
    Joe:

    Once you have your book rewritten, can you please leave a link to it here so I can rewrite your book and sell it?
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  • Profile picture of the author HarrisonJ
    You should get some PLR stuff that allows you to rewrite it and and rewrite that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Witty
      Honestly, if the book isn't too long, and you have good English, it wouldn't be a bad idea to write it yourself.

      Not only would you be sure that you've got exactly what you wanted, but you'd also be gaining decent writing practice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Motion
    That's the problem - it needs to be a 100+ pages.

    It's currently being done buy a guy on oDesk - at a cost of $1500, totally rewritten
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    • Profile picture of the author Witty
      Originally Posted by Joe Motion View Post

      That's the problem - it needs to be a 100+ pages.

      It's currently being done buy a guy on oDesk - at a cost of $1500, totally rewritten
      I hope he/she has got good reviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author eibhlin
    $1500...? Wow, that's a steal. I have rewritten books, so I know what goes into that kind of work.

    Here's my experience:

    I've rewritten textbooks for MIT professors. The books were updates of their own textbooks, but -- as is typical with many publishing houses -- the publishers held the copyrights on the previous editions for X number of years.

    To avoid jeopardizing the copyright of either the professor or the publisher, we had to be very sure we weren't creating anything that was a "derivative" work. After all, it's not just an issue for the publishers, who had their own very deep legal pockets, but the long-term copyright protection of the original author, in this case: the professor.
    In the United States, the Copyright Act defines "derivative work" in 17 U.S.C.§ 101:
    A "derivative work" is a work based upon one or more pre-existing works, such as a translation, musical arrangement, dramatization, fictionalization, motion picture version, sound recording, art reproduction, abridgment, condensation, or any other form in which a work may be recast, transformed, or adapted. A work consisting of editorial revisions, annotations, elaborations, or other modifications which, as a whole, represent an original work of authorship, is a "derivative work". (emphasis added)
    Our team included the professor, three lawyers, plus me (the rewriter) to work through the rewrite, so the finished work wasn't in any way derivative. That usually meant about three or four months' work, with meetings multiple times a week.

    Just the lawyers' fees were in excess of $4500, and that was for a very brief textbook.

    So, if you're getting that much work done for $1500, that's impressive.

    On the other hand, I don't understand why you'd pay that much for a work that risks being derivative, when you could get a book written from scratch for about 1/3 that.

    Chacun à son goût. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Motion
      Originally Posted by eibhlin View Post

      On the other hand, I don't understand why you'd pay that much for a work that risks being derivative, when you could get a book written from scratch for about 1/3 that.
      That's what's happening here :rolleyes:

      Thanks for your concern though
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  • Profile picture of the author sabreena
    Hi

    hiring the worrier would be a good place to start......
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by sabreena View Post

      hiring the worrier would be a good place to start......
      Perhaps not too difficult at all: most writers would be pretty worried by this request ... :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Motion
    I'll put it through CopyScape and go through competitors products to check it's all OK.

    Got some great PM's regarding this so thanks everyone
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    Wouldn't you want to at least outline the TOC to fit a solution that you can call "yours?"

    I have outsourced many projects in the past, but I always do the outlining myself...that is what makes my products unique and what allows me to roll them into additional products like spin-off coaching, seminars, courses, etc...

    I wouldn't be so eager to trust outlining of my product to someone else. Research, content creation - maybe if I find the right person, but outlining - nope.

    Jeff
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