domain name and trademark/copyright question

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So I was really excited yesterday after I bought what I thought to be an excellent exact match domain name.

My plan is to make this into a product specific review site and send the traffic to amazon.

Then all of the sudden today I had some doubts. The domain name I bought is in the following format:

www dot (brand name of product)(product name)review dot com


Obviously I am going to be selling this product, so that is of great help to the company, but am I all of the sudden going to get a cease and desist letter or email from the company because I am using their brand name in my domain or does this go on all of the time?

I know the brand name to be a registered trademark.

Is this a situation where I should ask their permission?

Nothing to worry about?

Any input appreciated
#domain #question #trademark or copyright
  • Profile picture of the author webapex
    You are a candidate to receiving a cease and desist order, it's really up to the particular trademark holder to decide whether or not to wipe you out.

    Just make your content respectful of the brand and don't go overboard investing in what could be a short lived revenue source.

    I've heard mentioned that any new domain name containing Ebay for example, automatically receive a legal notice from Ebay.
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    • Profile picture of the author junkbox
      Well, I know I can make a great review site for this product, I am very interested in the product and I use it a lot, so I can make some great written and video content.

      My main concern at this point is if I should just by another domain that is safer and work it from that angle or go for bust on the exact match domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author NFN8
    You're very likely to get a cease-and-desist order from the trademark holder. That said, that doesn't mean they're in the right.

    Generally, this falls under the area of "fair use" of trademarks. However, ICANN has a history of being a little more favorable to trademark holders than the courts are. I suggest reading ICANN Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy (sorry, new here - can't post the link - Google it). In particular, you're required to submit to an administrative proceeding if the trademark holder files a complaint alleging that:

    (i) your domain name is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark in which the complainant has rights; and

    (ii) you have no rights or legitimate interests in respect of the domain name; and

    (iii) your domain name has been registered and is being used in bad faith.

    Clearly, (iii) is really what's in question. So, what constitutes "bad faith"?

    (i) circumstances indicating that you have registered or you have acquired the domain name primarily for the purpose of selling, renting, or otherwise transferring the domain name registration to the complainant who is the owner of the trademark or service mark or to a competitor of that complainant, for valuable consideration in excess of your documented out-of-pocket costs directly related to the domain name; or

    (ii) you have registered the domain name in order to prevent the owner of the trademark or service mark from reflecting the mark in a corresponding domain name, provided that you have engaged in a pattern of such conduct; or

    (iii) you have registered the domain name primarily for the purpose of disrupting the business of a competitor; or

    (iv) by using the domain name, you have intentionally attempted to attract, for commercial gain, Internet users to your web site or other on-line location, by creating a likelihood of confusion with the complainant's mark as to the source, sponsorship, affiliation, or endorsement of your web site or location or of a product or service on your web site or location.

    Let's look at these in plain English:

    (i) is basically "domain squatting".

    (ii) If you just bought "fordtrucks.com", you might be OK, but if you also bought "fordcars.com" and "fordsuvs.com", etc., that would be a problem.

    (iii) If you're an irate customer and buy "fordsucks.com", that's fine. If you're Chevrolet, it's not.

    (iv) This is usually the point they'll try to get you on. Are you trying to create a likelihood of confusion? With "review" in the domain, that seems like a pretty tough argument for them to make. They obviously wouldn't be reviewing themselves. What you might do is make sure that your title tag and meta description include something like "independent" or "third-party" that clearly prevents any possible confusion.

    P.S. - I've been through this on three domains and never had any of the trademark holders pursue it past my reply to their C&D letter. And I didn't use a lawyer -- I just studied trademark fair use doctrine (see Stanford Copyright & Fair Use Center) and ICANN policy very thoroughly and used the language and precedent cases in my response letter.
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    • Profile picture of the author junkbox
      Okay, so NFN8 your response makes me think that if I do things properly and in good faith, as well as clearly stating my intentions, then I might be able to navigate the waters of any C&D I might happen to get.

      You are saying that your response letter was always enough to end the complaint and you were able to continue using the domain correct?

      Travlinguy, is your opinion:

      "dont worry you wont get permission, abandon this idea"

      OR

      "Try to get permission, it wont happen, but go ahead with your site anyways"
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by junkbox View Post

        Okay, so your response makes me think that if I do things properly and in good faith, as well as clearly stating my intentions, then I might be able to navigate the waters of any C&D I might happen to get.

        You are saying that your response letter was always enough to end the complaint and you were able to continue using the domain correct?
        You are only seeing what you want to see. I don't think anyone who responded is an attorney. I'm not. What if rather than a C&D you get hit with a lawsuit asking for $10K because you used a registered trademark without permission? What then? You need to either check with an attorney or ask permission from the trademark holder.
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by junkbox View Post

        Okay, so NFN8 your response makes me think that if I do things properly and in good faith, as well as clearly stating my intentions, then I might be able to navigate the waters of any C&D I might happen to get.

        You are saying that your response letter was always enough to end the complaint and you were able to continue using the domain correct?

        Travlinguy, is your opinion:

        "dont worry you wont get permission, abandon this idea"

        OR

        "Try to get permission, it wont happen, but go ahead with your site anyways"
        I'm saying the only chance you have is to ask. Who knows, they might grant it. Any, and I mean any other option could cost you dearly.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Your only smart move from here is to ask for permission and if the company grants it, get it in writing. But don't worry. It's not likely they're going to give you permission as the trademarks of big companies are closely guarded and not often "licensed" out to unknowns.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
    Just email them and ask. I've asked many companies about this and except for 1 they've always said yes.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    The best thing to do is to ask the company. They own the trademark. It's the only way you will know whether or not they will allow it.
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    • Profile picture of the author junkbox
      I emailed the company this morning and they have already forwarded my request on to their VP of marketing. He is out of the office but I should have a response next week.

      I am confident I will be able to move forward.

      Thanks for all the input!
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  • Profile picture of the author NFN8
    Thanks to davezan for the link to the other thread. There IS an attorney (kindsvater) replying in there, and you'll see that his answer is pretty much the same as mine:

    There are some comments in this thread suggesting that any use of a trademark, followed by the word 'reviews' - will cause massive liability and loss of the domain.

    That is not the situation at all.

    There have been numerous UDRP cases involving exactly this type of domain name.

    Legitimate websites, such as those offering real product reviews and useful information for visitors (think of the Google webmaster guidelines) win those claims.

    Spam websites, those not offering real reviews, sites whose real purpose is to redirect traffic to a competitor, and those not bothering to assert a defense, routinely lose those claims.
    - A trademark does not create monopoly rights on any reference to the mark.

    - The key issue, and what a TM protects, is consumer confusion. Is there initial confusion about who is responsible for a domain before it is clicked on (just based on the domain name)? If there is confusion after the domain is visited then that is where serious financial problems can arise.

    But the word 'review' by definition indicates a third party domain and not the trademark owner.

    Virtually all TM domain disputes end up as UDRP actions and not federal lawsuits. There is no cost to defend the action, unless you want to hire an attorney. But legal representation is not required. There are also no damages awarded.

    The 'court' is an arbitration forum and everything is handled over the Internet. Super easy.
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