Favor requested: Please report posts using junk characters to get attention

lgibbon

Banned 15 years ago

I'll second that one Paul.
They're a real eyesore.

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Martin Luxton 15 years ago

Good idea Paul.

A prediction of some of the negative responses that will follow?

"This is a marketing forum . . ."

"We are just practising attention-grabbing headlines . . . "

Time for Thomas Belknap or Robert Plank to step and present

The Ascii Killer

(aka TiVo For Forums)

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- Paul Myers 15 years ago
  
  Martin,
  
  A prediction of some of the negative responses that will follow?
  
  "This is a marketing forum . . ."
  
  "We are just practising attention-grabbing headlines . . . "
  
  That would be a good indication to me of someone who doesn't belong here.
  
  But yeah... they'll probably do it. Or just think it, since you've already dismissed it.
  
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- Alan Petersen 15 years ago
  
  Agreed. Bad enough having to wade through them in the WSO section but at least there it's an ad and they're paying for it but now to see it in the main forum...I don't think so. I report them as self-promotional.
  
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Jamie Iaconis

15 years ago

I agree with you Paul...

It will start to look like Craigslist real quick!

If it is a legitimate post, I believe that
symbols like that won't be required.

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George Wright

15 years ago

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John Taylor

15 years ago

Already on it, they'll get reported as a matter of
routine unless and until they get the message.

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Killer Joe 15 years ago

This is a good policy.

If your copywriting skills are so lame that the only way you can get your post read is by using graffiti to get attention, then you should seriously consider working on those skills if you are looking to succeed.

Good call...

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TimGross

15 years ago

Sounds like an excellent idea to me... Either you keep the bar raised or it goes down.

I noticed a completely different type of forum recently (ie, not marketing-related) that doesn't allow people to post using smiley faces :-)
...and actually disables people's posting privileges if they use the acronym "LOL" in their posts or don't use proper grammar (ie, not capitalizing first words in sentences, etc)

At first it sounded pretty harsh, but I have to say, the policing really helps keep the board functional.

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IMChick

15 years ago

How do we do that? When I report the posts, I'll ad a note that the title has improper characters in it--will that do it?

Good idea to report them, though. I usually "skip and click" away from them because I figure that the posts contain garbage and hype in them if they can't get the title straight.

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Paul Myers 15 years ago

IMChick,

How do we do that? When I report the posts, I'll ad a note that the title has improper characters in it--will that do it?

That'll do it.

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Scott Burton

15 years ago

I can understand the use of such symbols where truly appropriate but, where they are appropriate they won't appear in such quantity to be a disruption.

Such as a headline/topic of:
Getting more $ for ...
When is Paypal < a Merchant Account?
etc.

Personally, I didn't even open that thread, because I was put off by the topic line.

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Paul Myers

15 years ago

Scott,

I can understand the use of such symbols where truly appropriate but, where they are appropriate they won't appear in such quantity to be a disruption.

Such as a headline/topic of:
Getting more $ for ...
When is Paypal < a Merchant Account?
etc.

Absolutely. That's legitimate usage, not done for attention's sake.

Good caveat. Thank you.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

I agree.. I did not even bother to open those threads up at all.

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Elmer Hurlstone

15 years ago

At risk of being accused on making a one line acquiescent post I'll say:

I concur!

Three lines

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kf

15 years ago

Absolutely. Front page already cluttered enough.

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Jared Alberghini

15 years ago

Paul,

I tried helping but I guess he didn't learn the lesson quick enough.

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Tom Dean

15 years ago

I'll also concur!

In fact I will drink to that!

After 5pm EST.

A shot of Jamesons to celebrate.

-T

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Paul Myers 15 years ago

Tim,

That sort of thing is why I say that there are lots of other ways than mine that work well. It's all about how it's explained and enforced, and what the membership is like.

That would never work here. Too many people for whom English is a second language, and the usual number of eccentrics one finds in a marketing crowd.

Sounds like a place I'd enjoy, though.

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Jamie Iaconis 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Tom Dean

I'll also concur!

In fact I will drink to that!

After 5pm EST.

A shot of Jamesons to celebrate.

-T

I'll start the Bacardi between 4 and 6PM PST also... :-)
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Kim Standerline

15 years ago

I've noticed it a lot in the WSO forum

It looks a real mess in there to be honest

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lgibbon Banned 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

I've noticed it a lot in the WSO forum

It looks a real mess in there to be honest

Kim

You're right there Kim.
Seems like a few sig files are going that way too.
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Suthan M

15 years ago

I wish that it can be done in the WSO as well. :-)

So many $$$, %$@#@$@%@ @(#)$@$@%@ in the headline makes it hard to think whether i am in a english forum or some "foreign language class forum"

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Jared Alberghini

15 years ago

Originally Posted by asianlunatic

I wish that it can be done in the WSO as well. :-)

So many $$$, %$@#@$@%@ @(#)$@$@%@ in the headline makes it hard to think whether i am in a english forum or some "foreign language class forum"

Suthan,

At this point, your WSO will stand out MORE if you DON'T use these special characters...

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John Taylor 15 years ago

Jared,

Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini

..your WSO will stand out MORE if you DON'T use these special characters

Shhh!

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- Jared Alberghini 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by John Taylor
  
  Jared,
  
  Shhh!
  
  John
  
  John,
  
  Dang it... I need to learn when to keep my big mouth shut
  
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JayXtreme 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini

Suthan,

At this point, your WSO will stand out MORE if you DON'T use these special characters...

- J

Well done big guy.. you just blew the lid off of that one!!

Remember eBay a few years back?.. all of a sudden, regular text stood out..

Peace

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- Jared Alberghini 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by JayXtreme
  
  Well done big guy.. you just blew the lid off of that one!!
  
  Remember eBay a few years back?.. all of a sudden, regular text stood out..
  
  Peace
  
  Jay
  
  Jay,
  
  You are blowing the lid off my 'reverse/forward-psychology testing'. Shhh.
  
  I thought everyone wanted to clean up the WSO section so it's easier to read?
  
  By telling someone "not" to do something, they generally do the opposite, but if you use finesse in a subtle/oxymoron/double-negative type of way, well, that's an entirely different story.
  
  I can't please anyone around here can I? :rolleyes: I thought everyone wanted to clean up the WSO titles? So you go ahead and ruin it Jay... oh crap, or did I just ruin it???
  
  I'm confused... I'm off to go eat some Jumbo Shrimp.
  
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15 years ago

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tomw

15 years ago

I agree and will report such threads.

However, I have another point to make...we should be leading by example.

On the one hand we're chastising members old and new alike for not following certain rules and conventions and on the other, many are breaking them themselves. Habitually!

This thread is a great example.

I've seen so many threads with a terse, "this is posted in the wrong forum," type reply and yet it seems to be ok for the "police" to post whatever and wherever they like.

Either Allen or Brian should set up a "policing the WF" forum or threads like this and the countless similar others need to be in the OT forum.

Whilst of benefit, these too are cluttering up the MMO forum along with the objects of our scorn and making it increasingly difficult to find the posts of real money making merit.

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J. Barry Mandel

15 years ago

I say all WSO's should be cleaned up so we don't have to navigate our eyeballs around blotchy characters!

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Paul Myers 15 years ago

Thomas,

Conversations about the operation of a group online are referred to as meta-discussions. There are strong preferences on how they should be handled, or even if they should be allowed. Typically, they occur in the forum to which they relate.

Traditionally, in this forum, they're considered on-topic, as long as they have their own threads which aren't duplicated ad nauseum. Allen's desire to see the place be more properly regulated by the members tends to reinforce that.

Of course, the rules are subject to change...

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Re: Signatures

I was under the impression special symbols were never allowed in sigs anyway. It's an extension of not allowing different fonts or colors. The overriding purpose of making a post should always be to add value, or ask a question - not to get your sig seen.

If it's somebody who may not know, I will send them a PM to get them up to speed. That usually does the trick. However, if they don't change it, or respond in a poor manner, then they get reported.

As far as the main forum, no problem with reporting special characters.

As far as the WSO forum, I guess it's different in that they have to be approved (though they could be changed). Perhaps a limit of one leading character, and one at the end. But whatever decision is reached on any of this is fine by me.

For the record, I have used special characters for WSOs, but will not do it any more.

Someone mentioned "sheep" earlier, and I think that's the biggest problem. One person starts the trend, then a few from the flock follow, and before you know it, it becomes the norm - with most people never being aware of why they're doing it.

It's also nice to see how much agreement there is on this topic. It hasn't devolved into anybody whining/whinging about how "unfair" the idea is.

Kind of scary when common sense reigns.

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Paul Myers

15 years ago

Michael,

I'm not aware of any rule about their use in signatures. There isn't a rule about not using them in subject lines, for that matter. Just a long standing convention and the practical challenge they present for readability.

I tend to stay away from messing with people's sig files, personally, other than imposing a limit on how many lines they can contain. They don't pose the problems that stuff like this in subject lines would.

As far as the general agreement, I didn't expect this one to be controversial. More of a, "Watch it. The new folks will see that stuff and think it's normal" warning. The trend problem that you mentioned.

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Michael,

I'm not aware of any rule about their use in signatures. There isn't a rule about not using them in subject lines, for that matter. Just a long standing convention and the practical challenge they present for readability.

I don't know then. Maybe reporting people for NOT breaking a rule is a little bit too much. However, if there is a rule in place, no problem. And I agree with the idea behind it.

I tend to stay away from messing with people's sig files, personally, other than imposing a limit on how many lines they can contain. They don't pose the problems that stuff like this in subject lines would.

We may not agree fully on this point. I just checked the signature rules, and the spirit of them certainly looks like it would prohibit the use of special characters. In fact, I was reported for using one of the little filled in circles in mine a while back. My sig was removed, no advance warning, just a message that said my sig did not comply. Anyway, I'm no complaining, just using it as a precedent.

If special characters are allowed in signature lines, then the problem is they become too distracting, and put the focus on the signature instead of the message. At least the way I see it.

I don't consider sending someone a PM (which is how I handle it when I see it) as messing with their sig.

As far as the general agreement, I didn't expect this one to be controversial. More of a, "Watch it. The new folks will see that stuff and think it's normal" warning. The trend problem that you mentioned.

I think I misinterpreted what you meant when you said "This is going to start up and become nasty, real fast." I took it to mean that you were expecting a heated debate.

Anyway, I'm getting into semantics here. It looks like we agree that special characters can get out of hand quickly. If they go away, no problem. If they stay, no problem (hopefully)

All the best,
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Paul Myers 15 years ago

Michael,

There are quite a lot of conventions here that aren't written as rules. Most of them have to do with keeping the place in proper order. Generally speaking, I find it a bad idea to say that anything that isn't specifically forbidden is allowed.

By "messing with," I meant even having a say in the contents of the sig file, other than keeping the other rules of the place.

The rule about colors was the result of people turning their sigs into garish, screaming, neon signs. I would have let them, as long as they didn't use more than 4 lines, and they didn't tinker with the font sizes. Or maybe imposed a two color limit.

But, I don't make the rules.

Generally speaking, I prefer to make individual judgment calls, based on clear principles, rather than take useful tools away from people who apply them responsibly. Otherwise, the tendency is to push things down to the lowest common denominator.

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Hi Paul,

I don't think we are on the exact same page, but I'm sure it's the same chapter of the same book.

There is no rule (yet) against special characters in subject lines.

There are rules about trying to highlight your sig with colors, fonts, etc. I also would not do anything about the content of a sig (unless it points to an affiliate site), but special symbols aren't really "content", per se.

As you said, it's a judgment call. Maybe are judgment on what should be reported is different, but the reasoning would be the same.

For the record, I'm not trying to argue, and I don't think you are either - just trying to clarify my position. You're always good for decent conversation, civilized discourse, and making me think deeper about certain issues.

All the best,
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Michael Mayo

15 years ago

Hi Michael,

Would that mean that my Sig would be illegal if the new Sig rule you're
suggesting was added?

Just Curious???

Have a Great Day/Night Michael.

PS, I've had people tell me that it brought a smile to their face when they
seen it.

PPS, Nearly forgot to say...Paul, I also concur with your request.

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Hi Paul,

I don't think we are on the exact same page, but I'm sure it's the same chapter of the same book.

There is no rule (yet) against special characters in subject lines.

There are rules about trying to highlight your sig with colors, fonts, etc. I also would not do anything about the content of a sig (unless it points to an affiliate site), but special symbols aren't really "content", per se.

As you said, it's a judgment call. Maybe are judgment on what should be reported is different, but the reasoning would be the same.

For the record, I'm not trying to argue, and I don't think you are either - just trying to clarify my position. You're always good for decent conversation, civilized discourse, and making me think deeper about certain issues.

All the best,
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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Hi Michael,

Would that mean that my Sig would be illegal if the new Sig rule you're
suggesting was added?

Just Curious???

Have a Great Day/Night Michael.

PS, I've had people tell me that it brought a smile to their face when they
seen it.

PPS, Nearly forgot to say...Paul, I also concur with your request.

Hi Michael,

Your sig would be absolutely no problem at all. It brings a smile to my face, too.

When I say "special characters" I'm referring only to stuff like...
►

▓

▄▀▄▀▄

♫

and...

•

Normal characters are fine with me. By that I mean anything found on a standard keyboard. I have no problem with stuff like /\}{~`|,.;!@#$%^&*()_+][":?>< a-z, A-Z, 0-9 in signatures.

However, I'm not convinced it's a new rule I'm suggesting, as a sig of mine that had a •••► was removed for being non-compliant. But, I've never been flagged for using a text version of it ---> To me "special characters" in sigs are just an extension of the current rules about color, size and font.

On the other hand, it's Allen's forum, so that's what really counts.

For the record, I didn't see the post in question, but I doubt I would have flagged it for using characters in the subject line. As long as the post itself was okay.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

All the best,
Michael

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Michael Mayo

15 years ago

Cool!

I'll refrain from adding the special character that I had thought about
placing between the 2 paws.

I'll just leave the _ ...lol

It would have caused me to break one of the rules anyway.
I would have needed to use 6 lines!

Have a Great Day/Night!
Michael

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Hi Michael,

Your sig would be absolutely no problem at all. It brings a smile to my face, too.

When I say "special characters" I'm referring only to stuff like...
►

▓

▄▀▄▀▄

♫

and...

•

Normal characters are fine with me. By that I mean anything found on a standard keyboard. I have no problem with stuff like /}{~`|,.;!@#$%^&*()_+][":?>< a-z, A-Z, 0-9 in signatures.

However, I'm not convinced it's a new rule I'm suggesting, as a sig of mine that had a •••► was removed for being non-compliant. But, I've never been flagged for using a text version of it ---> To me "special characters" in sigs are just an extension of the current rules about color, size and font.

On the other hand, it's Allen's forum, so that's what really counts.

For the record, I didn't see the post in question, but I doubt I would have flagged it for using characters in the subject line. As long as the post itself was okay.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

All the best,
Michael

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Joe Giannetti

15 years ago

Will do Paul....

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impact-productions

15 years ago

Agreed, it's a real problem in all the forums now.

Isn't there a way that the forum software can automatically filter out characters outside regular usage? That would solve this problem in one swoop and put everyone back on a regular playing field.

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Debbie Songster

15 years ago

This is my wso title - am I being a bad girl?
►►►►2 ♀ Would ♥ To Help You ▬ New Wordpress Mastermind Group & Coaching - Lifetime Rate Ends Today

It says Two Girls Would Love To Help You - ...

I thought I was being clever
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Jared Alberghini

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Debbie Songster

This is my wso title - am I being a bad girl?
►►►►2 ♀ Would ♥ To Help You ▬ New Wordpress Mastermind Group & Coaching - Lifetime Rate Ends Today

It says Two Girls Would Love To Help You - ...

I thought I was being clever
Now I'm in the dog house???

Yes Debbie, you are being a bad girl in more ways that one.

I would be much more responsive to a title that said "Two Girls Would Love To Help You " compared to "►►►►2 ♀ Would ♥ To Help You"

Men are simple-minde creatures, :confused: we understand the first example perfectly, compared to the second one with 'symbols & characters', which is not easily translated into simple-creature-language.

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Debbie Songster

15 years ago

I can always change it. It might be a good test to see if you are right that it gets more visits because it doesn't have the characters.

That special rate ends in a couple hrs but I did post the new rate in there so its time to change the title anyway.

Oh all right - for you simple guys out there. I'll go change it

Good grief a girl can't have any fun now days ... always something...

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Ok its done - I changed it

2 Girls Would Love To Help You. Join Our Wordpress Users Group & Coaching Special Limited Time Offer

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Jared Alberghini

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Debbie Songster

Oh all right - for you simple guys out there. I'll go change it

Good grief a girl can't have any fun now days ... always something...

Debbie,

Haven't you researched the demographics here? (63% male & 37% female)
warriorforum.com - Quantcast Audience Profile

I am curious to find out if your 'more playful' title does actually convert better (which I'm betting it will) :rolleyes:

You have an upper edge compared to us simple cavemen... you should utilize it.

Jared

P.S. Yes, (IMO) the following works much better for us 'simpleton's'... this is a much more appealing offer

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Debbie Songster

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini

Debbie,

Haven't you researched the demographics here? (63% male & 37% female)
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I am curious to find out if your 'more playful' title does actually convert better (which I'm betting it does) :rolleyes:

Jared

Well hell Jared, make up your mind!

I already changed it

63% male huh? Well what red blooded male wouldn't want to come play in the forum with us girls

Our WSO isn't for everyone. We aren't selling an ebook spewing some get rich quick scheme or long lost secret.

I haven't learned how to "package hope" in an ebook yet. I prefer to work with actual people. I really need to stop doing that - it takes up a lot of time.

As for the characters. I didn't want to be like the other gaudy titles but I didn't want to get buried in the blah text. I came up with that one because it actually said something (except for the arrows at the beginning)

Now my title blends in with the rest of them

I will say though that I am not in favor of this technique used on the regular forum. I think it cheapens the look of the forum and its distracting.

Jared you really have to stop messing with me ! LOL

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Jared Alberghini

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Debbie Songster

Well hell Jared, make up your mind!

I already changed it

63% male huh? Well what red blooded male wouldn't want to come play in the forum with us girls

Debbie,

I think you misunderstood my point, (I've not learned yet the skills of properly utilizing sarcasm, and I often muck it up and end up confusing people, or more often than not, getting confused myself

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I totally agree with you... what red blooded male on earth would be able to resist playing with you girls?

You girls are the kryptonite to our 'so called' super-powers.

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timpears

15 years ago

I can't believe so many people spent so much time complaining about special characters in subject lines. If you don't like the subject line, why do you read the thread? I would think that people would have something way more important to do than all of this complaining about something so stupid.

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Debbie Songster

15 years ago

I understood you completely - I was teasing you

I'm doing this boring stuff - bookwork - like getting my store orders processed since its the last day of the month and we ran a sale.
So, I'm just playing with ya...

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Jared Alberghini

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Debbie Songster

So, I'm just playing with ya...

Yea... keep rubbing it in Debbie... twist the knife in just a bit further why don't ya...

I concur that females are the smarter of the bunch... what more do you want from me?

-J

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Paul Myers

15 years ago

Folks...

This doesn't apply to the WSO section.

I don't like the look of those subject lines either, but people are paying for them, and the moderators of the section allow them. That is, by itself, a demonstration that they're acceptable there.

Tim

I can't believe so many people spent so much time complaining about special characters in subject lines. If you don't like the subject line, why do you read the thread? I would think that people would have something way more important to do than all of this complaining about something so stupid.

The challenge is in the discussion areas. Those subject lines take over, and end up making the index a pain for everyone else to read. However, if you don't believe the main section or other discussion areas are worth keeping clean, don't report the threads. Easy enough, yes?

Paul

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Folks...

This doesn't apply to the WSO section.

I don't like the look of those subject lines either, but people are paying for them, and the moderators of the section allow them. That is, by itself, a demonstration that they're acceptable there.

TimThe challenge is in the discussion areas. Those subject lines take over, and end up making the index a pain for everyone else to read. However, if you don't believe the main section or other discussion areas are worth keeping clean, don't report the threads. Easy enough, yes?

Paul

I think that confuses the issue. Some people are not bothered by such symbols.

The implication is that if you don't report threads using special symbols that you somehow don't care about the integrity of the forum.

On the other hand, I could be reading too much into the whole thing.

If you want to report it, report it. If not, don't. But don't think not reporting it means you don't care about the forum itself, it just means you don't care about symbols being used in subject lines.

On the other hand, if something is overdone, I may report it anyway. In other words, I'm not to the pint of zero tolerance, but too much is too much.

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Paul Myers 15 years ago

Michael,

The implication is that if you don't report threads using special symbols that you somehow don't care about the integrity of the forum.

That was sarcasm, directed at Tim. It always amuses me when people spend time complaining about other people spending time complaining.

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  Originally Posted by Paul Myers
  
  Michael,That was sarcasm, directed at Tim. It always amuses me when people spend time complaining about other people spending time complaining.
  
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  Aha! I see that now.
  
  My thinking may have been a little off, because I just got home from my brothers house...where I was the only Steelers' fan.
  
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T2

15 years ago

Just for the record, I pretty much go right by any thread that is using characters and that includes WSO threads.

Write something that catches my eye AND is thought provoking and I will read it.

Paul

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15 years ago

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Paul Myers 15 years ago

I agree with you, but can we do anything about this in the WSO section...
it hurts my eyes every time i go through subjects between BIG blocks of junk ASCII characters!

The moderator(s) of that section must approve posts before they go live. If they approve them with those characters in the subject lines, there's no arguing about it.

I think it's a bad idea, but that's a moot point. And it's clearly true that a sales section can work with rules that would kill a discussion section. As proof, it hasn't killed the WSO section.

I do tend to go there less often and look at fewer of the offers, but perhaps others get better results with those funky subject lines. For now. It would be interesting to know if there were an overall change in total sales volume for those offers, but there's no practical way to do that with the current mechanisms.

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shurets1

15 years ago

Sorry Paul
I deleted my post (the one that you've quoted) above, because I felt
it had no meaning...

Obviously these characters are so noticeable, but being there
it means that this is "at least" is OK with Mods and/or Allen.

I can't imagine that all these threads started without the weired characters, then they added these to their subject lines as soon as they were approved and/or with the first bump...etc..

Well, it is not THAT annoying anyway... but it will be goo if these ASCII things go out of the WSO section

Just a suggestion from a new commer

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MeTellYou

15 years ago

Yeah. Good point Paul (Even though I have been guilty of it

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Paul Myers 15 years ago

Sebastian,

Yeah. Good point Paul (Even though I have been guilty of it

Everyone makes mistakes. We just don't want to see them take over.

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InternetM39482

15 years ago

Agreed. Will report those kind of posts from now on.

If someone sees this: Warrior Special Offers Forum

You'll notice the a large part of WSO which had the most number of replies did not contain any of those junk characters. :-)

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