There must be an option so that no Newbie can make a thread before completing his first 50 Posts....

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Hello Mates,

As i have seen that lots of newbie join Warrior forum nowadays.... Its good that its increasing our network.

But actually the problem is that as soon as a Newbie joins he started Making lot of unusual thread without reading any rules and all.

Today a guy doing so and some days before it was also happening and after some time they get banned or something happen which is not natural.

My appeal to MOD that if there is a process so that a new member will not be able to make an unusual thread before completing his first 30,40,50..... or so post.

People must have to read the rules first and then move forward. Doing such inorganic things not make a good impression on others as well as the forum also get spum by such things in market.
#completing #make #newbie #option #posts #thread
  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Now were getting somewhere. I am now just posting have 33 posts, hopefully most are helpful and haven't even thought about starting a thread yet. I do believe we need to give before we can receive. I would even vote for 100. Dig the trenches before you reap the rewards.
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    • Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post

      Now were getting somewhere. I am now just posting have 33 posts, hopefully most are helpful and haven't even thought about starting a thread yet. I do believe we need to give before we can receive. I would even vote for 100. Dig the trenches before you reap the rewards.
      Yeah.... thats a good one... Before starting your own you have the tendency to learn and if you have some query then first try to solve it by yourself.

      As someone asked "What is Social Bookmarking"... Its such a stupid kind of question... there are lots of stuffs on this topic in market or on web and still you are putting it. Its totally unusual and rubbish.

      You have to spent time here, read here, learn from here and then move forward.
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    • Profile picture of the author PatriciaJ
      I disagree. Some newcomers to this forum come on here and start out with useful threads. Some are confused and ask questions and receive help from the experienced which can include some who are new to this forum but not new to IM. We also get experienced marketers joining this forum who start some excellent threads. Some start out with what they think are useful pieces of advice learned elsewhere and the more experienced explain why the 'advice' is wrong or even unethical. Some relative newcomers make pointless posts wanting the rules changing. Some sign up here to spam us with their crap offers.

      The point I'm making is that all sorts of people turn up here and it's a great place for those new to IM and the more experienced to ask questions and learn from each other. Wouldn't change it for the world and there is that saying 'if it isn't broke don't fix it'
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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    Originally Posted by seoglobalexperts004 View Post

    My appeal to MOD that if there is a process so that a new member will not be able to make an unusual thread before completing his first 30,40,50..... or so post.
    What exactly do you mean by "an unusual thread"? And how do you propose that the moderators police such things? What specific criteria makes a thread "unusual"?

    Or are you suggesting that new members should not be able to start threads until their post count reaches a certain level? If that's the case then what about the introductory thread that many new members post first?

    I fully agree that it would be nice to eliminate some of the garbage threads that are posted here by new members in an obvious attempt to build up their post count - there seems to be an abundance of these lately. Any practical proposal to eliminate those threads would definitely have my full support.

    Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    I think she is up to something, she asked alot of questions like that. I went ahead and answered most but seems to be another motive there for posting all those questions, maybe she thinks by starting all those threads she is getting somewhere, I don't know but I am following her to see the outcome lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Personally I hate that idea.

    What if an individual who has already created tremendous success online but has not been a member chooses to join us on the Warrior Forum. Why should they wait to create a thread? They may have some insights they are excited to share immediately.

    Or..What about the person just trying to get started who has taken time to read 20 complete threads, read the All-In-One threads on a topic, but have a few nagging questions? Should they have to wait until they have posted 50 "That was helpful, thanks" messages on the Warrior Forum before they ask their well-thought out question?

    While there may be many newbies who ask questions which seem silly or could have been answered with a quick search, it is often those same threads which turn into lively discussions which become valuable to all of us.

    Now, if you had said needed to have 50 posts before they could list a WSO I would probably agree. That is small price to pay for the benefit of marketing here.
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    • Profile picture of the author DallasK
      Originally Posted by Barry Unruh View Post

      ...it is often those same threads which turn into lively discussions which become valuable to all of us.
      I'm often surprised when a topic I thought was interesting
      fizzles out with just a few replies while others that seemed
      average turn into a multipage thread with some amazingly
      insightful viewpoints.

      There's always going to be newbies that don't understand
      the value of doing their own research or need the easy
      button. But even in those threads, the replies often turn
      the conversation back around by providing advice and links
      that show the newbie there are rewards to grinding it out,
      and that the easy button doesn't really exist.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Luis
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    If that happens, there will be a deluge of useless one-liner posts.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by Don Luis View Post

      If that happens, there will be a deluge of useless one-liner posts.
      And there isnt already?

      Oops, is this one of them?
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    I don't think that you necessarily need that rule, since the forum
    is self-policing, and at times brutal

    What you're witnessing is often people new to the forum read
    about it in an ebook or report, and are told that this is one of
    the best ways to grow their businesses. So, they register and
    start posting without really looking around... which often annoys
    old-times

    The reason that it annoys the old-timers is that the newbies
    ask the same questions that have been asked 100 times, and a
    simple search on the forum would show long threads on some
    topics. Helpful, crusty, old-timers often point out these
    threads to anxious newbies

    Perhaps a note at the top of the registration page (or in
    the welcome/confirmation email), asking new members to
    look around first, would be helpful.

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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post


      The reason that it annoys the old-timers is that the newbies
      ask the same questions that have been asked 100 times, and a
      simple search on the forum would show long threads on some
      topics. Helpful, crusty, old-timers often point out these
      threads to anxious newbies
      Willie
      Well said Willie
      You know the saying "There is no such thing as a stupid question"
      what about asking the same question over and over, are people so
      lazy that they can't take the time to use the search function or
      even a plain old Google search?

      I dare to say that using one of the above will answer most of the
      usual questions...

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  • Actually my point is not that making a new thread is wrong one but when a thread is made in a way which has no worth and a person who joins newly start making lots of threads for selling his services or some thread which are not helpful one.

    I have given an example also above for social bookmarking.

    I actually want to say that these kind of blogs make spam for this forum. I completely agree with you that this forum has complete security locks but still spamming is there.

    If somebody has any successful story then he/she will share it with us after completing his first 30-40 posts. We are not dying today to read that one.

    There must be a kind of system so that a new member must have to go with that in a proper manner. New introductions are good but is there any sense for it means making a thread like "Newbie saying Hello"... if a person is new member then its already known to everybody whenever he comments anywhere but instead of doing such they start making their own in starting.

    Well i don't want to disrespect you all guys simply you all are experts and spent lots of time here but i just want to put my views and i wrote it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
      Originally Posted by seoglobalexperts004 View Post

      Actually my point is not that making a new thread is wrong one but when a thread is made in a way which has no worth and a person who joins newly start making lots of threads for selling his services or some thread which are not helpful one.
      I also see that kind of self-promoting posts/threads...

      The simple way to deal with them: click on the little triangle on the left and report it. YOU ARE A MODERATOR, remember?

      If enough people report the same idiotic self-promoting thread, it will go away automatically - no need for another rule.
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      • Profile picture of the author abdulquddus
        50 is very high.. 5 to 10 is ok
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by seoglobalexperts004 View Post

      Actually my point is not that making a new thread is wrong one but when a thread is made in a way which has no worth and a person who joins newly start making lots of threads for selling his services or some thread which are not helpful one.

      I have given an example also above for social bookmarking.

      I actually want to say that these kind of blogs make spam for this forum. I completely agree with you that this forum has complete security locks but still spamming is there.

      If somebody has any successful story then he/she will share it with us after completing his first 30-40 posts. We are not dying today to read that one.

      There must be a kind of system so that a new member must have to go with that in a proper manner. New introductions are good but is there any sense for it means making a thread like "Newbie saying Hello"... if a person is new member then its already known to everybody whenever he comments anywhere but instead of doing such they start making their own in starting.

      Well i don't want to disrespect you all guys simply you all are experts and spent lots of time here but i just want to put my views and i wrote it.
      So you somehow feel that a newbie can't say or do the same thing in a post that they can if they make their own thread? It's worse in posts because it interrupts the flow of the conversation going on.

      Let them post as they please - if they want to spam, they get banned. If they are idiots everyone gets a chance to see it - and no, I'm not saying new members are all idiots. The nature of their first posts and threads goes a long way in revealing who is in this to win it and who has not one drop of scruples. Let people come in and present themselves as they wish - their decision on exactly how to do that can make or break them in the business world. If they truly have what it takes to make it in the business world (even if they need to learn aspects of their trade), they will act accordingly.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        About the only way that such a rule would work would be to trigger a bot that picked out random threads from all sections where posts count and add the comment "Thnks - nice share" 50 times.

        It would save the true newbie time while relieving the spammers of the effort to post mindlessly 50 times before spamming. And allowing all 400,000 moderators a quicker crack at them...
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    As someone suggested above: why not let newbies make threads and ask questions? how to you expect them to give back when they don't have any value to offer?

    That's why they are called newbies, because they are new and don't possess enough information otherwise they wouldn't be here.

    I agree there's a flood of new threads here, but this is not the solution. Maybe giving them a free pdf with basic jargon and methods would be a better way to achieve your desired outcome but then again there are stickies that provide this information.
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  • Profile picture of the author UptonGoodwin
    Thanks for this useful thread about golfing*

    *What would happen if people needed 50 posts in order to create a thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author luckystepho
    When I first joined WF, I was able to make a couple of threads asking for advice on technical matters which were holding me back- I had the answers within a couple of replies and hopefully someone else may have learnt something from my query. If I hadn't been able to ask I would have been stuck for a lot longer.

    I guess that no matter how stringent the rules are there will always be spammers and people who just want to try to push up post count without adding anything of value- that's the nature of the business we are in...

    Ramone_Johnny- no- that's two lines!!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Perhaps a better solution would be to have a dedicated n00bs forum, or perhaps an "established members" section???
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  • Profile picture of the author eskimoto
    i think you can skip this rule if you join the war room.

    i have joined it same they i became a member of this forum - now i have only 67 posts to my account but i have created few threads well before reaching 50 post count.
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      Newbies maybe ask more questions than most, but at the same time, they also probably buy a few WSO's.

      Just saying the more established members in the MMO niche will have some benefit to having the opportunity to answer questions.

      If they couldn't start threads, they might just disappear and take all that fresh newbie money with them.

      I think it's a win-win.
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    • Profile picture of the author Damielle
      I think that the forum is moderated so well by members that we don't necessarily need to enforce a minimum posts rule.

      If you feel that someone is spamming the forum, you can easily report them.

      We have to remember that we were all new at one time and how it feels to be be helped as opposed to being harshly treated when you have a genuine need or problem
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  • Profile picture of the author MoneySavingLisa
    I like the newbie forum idea that I read in here.

    But, I'm still a newbie and before I hit 50 posts I asked a ton of questions but only made 2-3 threads. Mostly, just to clarify something I have learned/learning by searching the forum. If I wouldn't have had the option to ask in a thread, I might not be at the level I'm at of learning.

    I mean, it would have been beneficial to have a newbie forum with posts that tell you what SEO is or what anything means that is IM related. I found a forum post earlier linking what those such things are, and I'm glad I found it but it was in a place I wouldn't have thought to look. Things like that should be in a newbie forum, but I don't think that it should mean they can't necessarily post and ask questions.
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  • The problem is that most people dont read the rules or terms before joining a website. This is because they are in a haste.

    Also posting a thread immediately you join a forum shows that you are not a professsional and you will not get quality reply. You will have to make the forum members trust your professionalism by first making meaningful contributions.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    Yet another suggestion that would punish those people
    that really need help?

    There are already enough rules around here. Why make
    it more difficult for people who have genuine questions
    and need our help?

    The problem isn't the "newbies"... it's the people who
    can't be bothered to report self promotional threads.

    Again... If you see a thread, or post, that you think is
    somehow breaking the rules or is not in the best interests
    of the forum or its members... Use the report button:

    Your report will be seen by the Mods who will then decide
    what, if any, action is required.


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  • Profile picture of the author rooze
    As suggested elsewhere it might be an idea to have an 'entry' area where you can post questions as a newbie. After a certain post count (say 25) you can play with the big boys and girls in the main forum.
    It would remove a lot of clutter and replication from the main forums.
    Those warriors with an altruistic nature could stop by the newbie section and help people out. Perhaps if a thread is voted on it could be promoted to the main forum from the newbie section?
    ....Probably not doable from a technical standpoint, or may just be unnecessary anyway.
    I think the OP is basically making the point that clutter is an issue in WF, too many questions posted which have been flogged to death in previous posts. Some would argue that's a small price to pay to get to the good information, but it could always be made better/easier...
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    • Profile picture of the author Hils
      Think it's kind of polite to hang around the forum before asking questions. But not everyone who's successful in life joined the WF before their successes, so there must be plenty of newcomers with valuable experience who could start a thread and share their knowledge.

      I do agree newbies ought to search the forum for answers before they ask questions - it must be irritating for experienced Warriors to read the same Qs over and over - but maybe it's not that they're lazy or just want to build up posts, perhaps it's because they know IM changes so fast, they're concerned the answers from the past will no longer be applicable.
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      • Profile picture of the author capitalalchemy
        I don't hang out in snobbish forums like the one that you are proposing. That defeats the point of a forum and is policing freedom of speech.

        Plus, I have seen more people with low post counts who are probably extremely successful online than I have those who have high post counts.

        Post count doesn't mean anything, but sometimes it means that a person is too busy spending too much time talking in a forum rather than getting things done.
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  • Profile picture of the author AbdullahKaragoz
    I understand the issue,

    but I don't agree that the solution is to don't allow the new members to start a thread before they have posted 30-50 posts.

    The result of this option would be that the new members would quickly post 30-50 worthless posts just to be able to start a thread. And this means maybe less garbage threads, but just A LOT MORE garbage posts.

    As mentioned before, a big note that asks for using the search function before starting a thread should be good.

    An alternative solution could be is to using a little test by answering some questions about the rules etc. just to filter out spammers.

    Because the most common lie ever online is: "I have read and agreed with the terms and conditions"
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by rooze View Post

      As suggested elsewhere it might be an idea to have an 'entry' area where you can post questions as a newbie. After a certain post count (say 25) you can play with the big boys and girls in the main forum.
      ...
      No offense, but the first thing that came into my mind was one of those "hunting ranches" where the blinds are set up overlooking automated, timed feeders. The "hunter" sits comfortably in the blind and waits for the semi-domesticated deer to come to the feeder...

      One has to keep in mind that not all members here have newbies' best interests at heart. To pen them in would make some of them sitting ducks for the scam artists.

      That's not a slam on newbies, either. We were all there once. I found an archive from an old computer with some of the stuff I bought and paid for when I got started. Some of it, with the benefit of experience, stunk worse than a tidal flat three days after a red tide.

      But at the time, it promised me what I wanted to hear, so I bought it.

      If we confined new folks to one section? Plug in the feeders, and get ready for the kill shot...
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      • Profile picture of the author rooze
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        No offense, but the first thing that came into my mind was one of those "hunting ranches" where the blinds are set up overlooking automated, timed feeders. The "hunter" sits comfortably in the blind and waits for the semi-domesticated deer to come to the feeder...

        One has to keep in mind that not all members here have newbies' best interests at heart. To pen them in would make some of them sitting ducks for the scam artists.

        That's not a slam on newbies, either. We were all there once. I found an archive from an old computer with some of the stuff I bought and paid for when I got started. Some of it, with the benefit of experience, stunk worse than a tidal flat three days after a red tide.

        But at the time, it promised me what I wanted to hear, so I bought it.

        If we confined new folks to one section? Plug in the feeders, and get ready for the kill shot...
        Yep, I agree it's not a great idea. It was kinda selfish too, trying to eradicate a minor inconvenience for myself by inconveniencing a whole bunch of other folks

        If it ain't broke....
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    Op: seriously It's annoying you so much?

    Why havnt you asked for that rule when you got started??

    [B]What in this world makes you think a member with less than 50 posts has to be a newbie???[/B

    What if one has a question and find an answer for?

    Why not just contribute,?? help them and if your realy annoyed umm just don't help...I gladly will!
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    As someone asked "What is Social Bookmarking"... Its such a stupid kind of question... there are lots of stuffs on this topic in market or on web and still you are putting it. Its totally unusual and rubbish.
    Written by complete newbie , there no such thing as a "Dumb or Stupid" question remember we all were and still are newbies , no one person knows it all !! hence we asked questions and Warriors old and new to this day still asked the same question on a varietyof subjects to do with IM.

    Jason
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    • Profile picture of the author hardnova
      Good, a voice of reason and maturity. Remember there are "newbs" to this forum that may have lots to teach, so not letting them create threads may be seen as a negative and could cause them to take their valuable knowledge elsewhere instead of spending time, gaining virtual rank and stature in a forum, instead of real cash and assets, which is what the big dogs concentrate on instead of lets say for example only, forum posting.

      By nature, forums like this support a virtual ecosystem that polices itself. No more rules seem to be necessary. Be considerate of others and if you really have an issue that is what the reporting tools are for, click em.


      Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

      Written by complete newbie , there no such thing as a "Dumb or Stupid" question remember we all were and still are newbies , no one person knows it all !! hence we asked questions and Warriors old and new to this day still asked the same question on a varietyof subjects to do with IM.

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  • Profile picture of the author batchos
    Yet another idea for rules to create a high barrier to entry.

    If I were a newbie, and I have a technical problem about my wp blog, are suggesting I shouldn't be allowed to create a thread because I don't have 50 posts?

    Originally Posted by seoglobalexperts004 View Post

    Hello Mates,

    As i have seen that lots of newbie join Warrior forum nowadays.... Its good that its increasing our network.

    But actually the problem is that as soon as a Newbie joins he started Making lot of unusual thread without reading any rules and all.

    Today a guy doing so and some days before it was also happening and after some time they get banned or something happen which is not natural.

    My appeal to MOD that if there is a process so that a new member will not be able to make an unusual thread before completing his first 30,40,50..... or so post.

    People must have to read the rules first and then move forward. Doing such inorganic things not make a good impression on others as well as the forum also get spum by such things in market.
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  • Profile picture of the author dukestravels1972
    Hilarious.

    One look at all threads started by seoglobalexperts004 and you'll find dozens of such worthless topics. Not to mention most of them take effort to decipher. I presume that its ok to post them after your count is over 170?
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    • Profile picture of the author Azarna
      a) They will just make a load of 'yes, I agree' type posts to get their count up.. or..

      b) if someone is a total newbie to IM then they perhaps don't have very much to offer for quite a while, whereas they obviously WILL have lots of questions

      So whilst I see that 'silly threads' might be annoying, the idea proposed by the OP would surely offer new people the very opposite of what they need - the ability to ask questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by seoglobalexperts004 View Post

    My appeal to MOD that if there is a process so that a new member will not be able to make an unusual thread before completing his first 30,40,50..... or so post.

    People must have to read the rules first and then move forward. Doing such inorganic things not make a good impression on others as well as the forum also get spum by such things in market.
    And yet, somehow this forum has survived, what, 10 years or so without such a rule. Go figure.
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  • Mates i am seeing that you all are disagree with me but still i want to say that my target is not that making my relations bad here.

    My point was that if there must be a rule or something like that so that no a newcomer can make such kind of posts. I am agree when i joined i was also newbie and done the same mistakes but after spending time here i realize that this forum is a great place for Internet Marketing. But sometimes i saw that lots of people joins and starts making some senseless stuffs. May be in your thinking i am also making a senseless appeal but what i feel i just put my views here.

    And i knew it very well that its not in my hand to do anything here but i have the rights to put my views here so i did it.

    If any body thinks i am also making such a non sense thread then he will also report it from Triangle button.

    Some one told me that i have given an example above for social bookmarking. As all we know that there are lots of source for learning such stuffs instead of making a question here he has to find the answer on web.

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author webskipper
    While I get your point, I would personally do not mind reading threads that were started by new warriors as long as the content is relevant and helpul/interesting. In fact I just started my first thread though I just joined last month BTW I've been making living with IM for a few years now so I can offer something of value for some warriors here for sure... and I'm happy to do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Webpromotion
    I think dealing with newbie's annoying questions is just the nature of the beast.

    Every master was at one time a newbie.

    Let us help the new people, and perhaps one day they will teach us something.

    50 posts sounds like somewhat restricting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Webkingseo
    In my opinion we do mistakes in starting. When i joined this forum i was also a newbie and truly said that i haven't read the rules in starting and start making some mistakes and then got stucked with it.

    Ya its true sometimes we are in hurry to earn and for doing PM or else and in that case we start making some threads so that people replies on it and we also do comment on it and in that manner it will complete our first 30-40 posts and then we do some thing else.

    But its not a organic one, we just have to first read the things here and then go with it. I am also not thinking that before spending time here you'll know this forum betterly.

    We have to spent time here and then move forward.
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  • Profile picture of the author OO
    We should relax a little, 50 is too restricting, some won't even bother with that number.
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  • Profile picture of the author MiFortuna
    I think everyone should be allowed to post from the start. However maybe a newbies section may help both the newbies, as they may feel more secure in a newbie forum and ask all the questions they want. I am sure lots of them don-t ask things because they may feel a little afraid. This would also help the more established members as the normal sections would have more useful information and they could just pop into the newbie section to answer questions when they are inclined to help out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Webkingseo
      Originally Posted by MiFortuna View Post

      I think everyone should be allowed to post from the start. However maybe a newbies section may help both the newbies, as they may feel more secure in a newbie forum and ask all the questions they want. I am sure lots of them don-t ask things because they may feel a little afraid. This would also help the more established members as the normal sections would have more useful information and they could just pop into the newbie section to answer questions when they are inclined to help out.


      Ya i think this might be a good option if there is a newbie section so that he can introduce himself/herself and ask his query there and then masters will give their advises to them.

      I don't know it is possible or not because there are already lots of sections are there in this forum and working in a good manner so but its a good point.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrislangley
    I agree that it would be a good idea for newbies to have a certain amount of posts before launching new threads, one forum I visited, constantly reminded anyone posting a new thread to check if it has not been posted before and there would be dire consequences if the thread was a duplicate
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  • Profile picture of the author slickymedia
    In my opinion that would just be okay. Depending on what you mean about "unusual posts". As long as they follow the rules of the forums and not just troll around. Its okay to share in insights of any topic they want to be part of. Everyone here can contribute.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Meeks
    I think my very first thread, I introduced myself to the forum. Three years later I'm still here, so I must've done something right.

    Report the ones who try to spam from the get-go (or ANY thread, really), and they'll be locked out. No need to punish EVERYONE just because a few jackasses couldn't behave themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author sidenote
    Hmmm, not sure that would be a good idea either. Some newbies could have quite a bit to offer. Case in point. I was precluded from commenting on the IM Review Thread, but felt that I really had something to contribute. In fact, I am not sure if I was more upset about the bogus product I had purchased, or the fact that I could not forewarn other potential buyers. However, the product was a big scam, and because I did not have enough post counts I was not allowed to comment.

    Not only do I think I had some worthwhile information to share, but the customer support provided by the seller's so-called "team" was an even greater offense. In fact, the support staff hadn't a clue on some very key features of the product, not to mention the upsells. It was a nightmare.... Nonetheless I was redeemed by Clickbank, but could have possibly saved other WF members a lot of headaches, had I been allowed to post to the thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by sidenote View Post

      Hmmm, not sure that would be a good idea either. Some newbies could have quite a bit to offer. Case in point. I was precluded from commenting on the IM Review Thread, but felt that I really had something to contribute. In fact, I am not sure if I was more upset about the bogus product I had purchased, or the fact that I could not forewarn other potential buyers. However, the product was a big scam, and because I did not have enough post counts I was not allowed to comment.

      Not only do I think I had some worthwhile information to share, but the customer support provided by the seller's so-called "team" was an even greater offense. In fact, the support staff hadn't a clue on some very key features of the product, not to mention the upsells. It was a nightmare.... Nonetheless I was redeemed by Clickbank, but could have possibly saved other WF members a lot of headaches, had I been allowed to post to the thread.
      This is the unfortunate side effect of unethical people trying to game the system. It was not unknown for someone to set up a number of WF accounts, use one to post a WSO, and then use the others to post rave reviews. The posting requirement was put in place to eliminate some of that.

      The same can be said for the posting requirement before being allowed to send PMs. It was getting too common for someone to open an account and start spamming the members via PM. The posting requirement eliminated most of the problem, as the worst offenders don't stick around long enough to meet the required count.

      It's too bad someone might have repeated your poor experience, but any time you are forced to deploy a weapon, you run the risk of collateral damage...
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