Self Hosted Autoresponder

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Hi

My aweber account has just expired, and I don't want to renew it.


Does anyone know of a self hosted solution at all?


Thanks
#autoresponder #hosted
  • Profile picture of the author Tyler Pratt
    You will not have any luck with self hosted.

    If you send out a bunch of emails all will be dumped into the junk folder.

    When you use aweber, your basically paying them to get your emails into the inboxes of all your subscribers.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      It's flat wrong to say if you send emails from your own autoresponder they will be dumped in a spam folder.

      That has not been my experience from using a self-hosted autoresponder at all.

      But I also send quality emails (at least IMHO!).

      When you send an email is it flagged as spam? Hopefully not. On the other hand, send spam and get your domain flagged then you will have a problem. But then, like other spammers, you just put your script on other domain.

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      • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
        kindsvater I didn't read your post when I posted. I agree with you and would like to expand on what you said.

        An AR company can be labled at spam. I bought a year with imnicaemail as a throwaway responder. Older Imers will know what I mean by that but the thing is Imnica never goes to inbox or promotion box for that matter with gmail always to spam.

        Now if you get enough spam complaints your ip will labled and blacklisted.
        Thats any company at all. You need to be smart with a self hosted.

        One I wouldn't use it on a shared ip since most are already blacklisted.

        Two use a mailing service like mailjet, much cheaper than Aweber or GR or the other guys and they work hard to keep there ip's clean.

        Want to be really safe, buy or rent a dedicated IP. Never spam and always send the right emails to the right list. Several times I have sent Im mails to my relationship list and other things and you will see spam complaints then.
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        It's flat wrong to say if you send emails from your own autoresponder they will be dumped in a spam folder.

        That has not been my experience from using a self-hosted autoresponder at all.

        But I also send quality emails (at least IMHO!).

        When you send an email is it flagged as spam? Hopefully not. On the other hand, send spam and get your domain flagged then you will have a problem. But then, like other spammers, you just put your script on other domain.


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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
      Originally Posted by Tyler Pratt View Post

      You will not have any luck with self hosted.

      If you send out a bunch of emails all will be dumped into the junk folder.

      When you use aweber, your basically paying them to get your emails into the inboxes of all your subscribers.
      If you do what 99% of marketers in the IM niche do and blast out BS email after BS email promising billions of dollars instantly, then yes you will get your ass handed to you very quickly.

      @OP

      This thread will help you greatly;

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...esponders.html

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      • Profile picture of the author Lisha5684
        Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

        If you do what 99% of marketers in the IM niche do and blast out BS email after BS email promising billions of dollars instantly, then yes you will get your ass handed to you very quickly.

        @OP

        This thread will help you greatly;

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...esponders.html

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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Gordon
    Having a self hosted autoresponder will not have too much success but it is a great solution if you are not able to pay the ridiculous prices that autoresponders have.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Titan
    Originally Posted by Michelle McDaniel View Post

    Hi
    My aweber account has just expired, and I don't want to renew it.
    Why don't you want to renew it? It will probably cost much less to renew your service, as apposed to, paying for a good self hosted email marketing management system.

    If you just want a simple autoresponder you can use your web hosting account. Usually, your control panel has the option to setup autoresponders. I know cPanel does this. Check with you web hosting company.

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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    LOL, that's priceless, nice catch Eddie! Look's like mcsemct's effort to violate the forums policy on posting affiliate links backfired in more ways than one!

    To the OP, the subject of self-hosted autoresponders comes up periodically here and the general consensus is that they are more trouble than they are worth. If you plan on hosting the autoresponder on a shared server you run the risk that one of your "neighbors" will end up on a spam blacklist and take you along with them.

    If you aren't planning on sending out affiliate offers then MailChimp is free for up to 2000 subscribers.

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    Otherwise a good Open Source (i.e. free) script is phpList, you will also find this included in most shared hosting installations that use Fantastico so you can try it out in about 30 seconds.

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  • Profile picture of the author SiteSmarty
    Not sure what you want to send to your list, but if it's just info you could try this MailChimp Acquires TinyLetter | MailChimp Email Marketing Blog
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  • Profile picture of the author tomerep
    I am using an In-house (self-hosted) autoresponder script which is very robust (it has all what aweber has and even more) but shared hosting restricts email sending to 250 per hour while VPS does not, I decided to upgrade to VPS only to discover that VPS does not have all the facilities I needed and my server does not have enough memory to install cPanel, I also later realized that my host don't provide technical assistance for VPS servers (they tried their best to help me though).
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    • Profile picture of the author globalpio
      Originally Posted by tomerep View Post

      I am using an In-house (self-hosted) autoresponder script which is very robust (it has all what aweber has and even more) but shared hosting restricts email sending to 250 per hour while VPS does not, I decided to upgrade to VPS only to discover that VPS does not have all the facilities I needed and my server does not have enough memory to install cPanel, I also later realized that my host don't provide technical assistance for VPS servers (they tried their best to help me though).
      >>I am using an In-house (self-hosted) autoresponder script which is very robust (it has all what aweber has and even more)
      Which one ?
      Willing to share... I need such a script to hook into my databases, needs lots of modifications I can do myself, but I need a basic working backend system (frontend I already have)

      Thanks for you help
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      • Profile picture of the author Dave Espino
        Once upon a time, (about 12 years ago) I used a self-hosted autoresponder.

        Somehow, I got a "SpamCop" complaint from my web hosting company (even though I was not spamming and was using responsible email methods) and a 25,000 member subscriber list was suddenly tainted (probably by a competitor) and therefore no longer usable by me.

        After years of hard work building that list - it was GONE.

        From that point on, I decided to ONLY use top-of-the-line tools when it comes to my business. They're not even that expensive, when you think of it in pure business terms. (Cost / benefit analysis)

        To do otherwise is to invite disaster.

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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    I'm afraid you'll have problems with a self-hosted autoresponder down the road. This is because a lot of hosting companies have restrictions regarding this. But, in order for you to not get into any trouble, best to ask them first about your plan.
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    • Profile picture of the author abs007
      With self hosted auto responders then it would be vital to still rely on 3rd party SMTP relay services to send your emails, This will eradicate any issues you would face when sending from your own server. SMTP providers such as SMTP.com, Sendgrid and even Amazon SES are all reasonably priced with many reviews vouching for their services-

      With Giants like Amazon to send your emails then you can bet the delivery will be just as good as Aweber if not better.

      With a self hosted auto responder your in control of your lists. Just do a few searches on Aweber closing accounts. Dont get me wrong I still use Aweber and have always done so but have started to work with a self hosted Auto responder called ArpReach - Do a few searches here on the warrioforum and you will find many threads about this.

      Im still very new to arpreach despite having it since it was released.

      The very first thing I would advise anyone is that do your proper research on sending emails if using a self hosted AR - Make sure it has all the features you need and then work with SMTP providers to send your emails -

      if you can master it then it will be much cheaper then any provider offering such a service and you will not need to fear a company closing your account.
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      • Profile picture of the author Coby
        Originally Posted by abs007 View Post

        With self hosted auto responders then it would be vital to still rely on 3rd party SMTP relay services to send your emails, This will eradicate any issues you would face when sending from your own server. SMTP providers such as SMTP.com, Sendgrid and even Amazon SES are all reasonably priced with many reviews vouching for their services-

        With Giants like Amazon to send your emails then you can bet the delivery will be just as good as Aweber if not better.
        This is what I was going to suggest...

        I use Aweber as my "main autereponder" but I also have a self-hosted a/r that I use as "backup"...

        I have my self-hosted a/r set to send emails through MailJet SMTP - they even give you dediated sending IPs and monitor it and more (depending on the package you purchase).

        When using SMTP you really get the best of both worlds. You get to leverage on the sending power of the SMTP company while still controlling your own sending, importing/exporting, etc.

        If you want to check out MailJet their site is SMTP server, bulk & marketing email service - Mailjet

        Hope this helps.

        Cheers,
        Coby
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  • Profile picture of the author spearce000
    Right now I'm using Parabots - Parabots Autoresponder System (not an affiliate link) - which is a free scipt, and I've been very happy with it.

    I agree with abs007, 3rd party relay services are a must, especially if you're on shared hosting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
    Although this is a prehistoric thread that has for some reason been resurrected, I am surprised that nobody has mentioned arpReach (the new updated version of ARP3). I moved my main lists over to it recently and have been very happy with both ease of use and deliverability. You do need hosting that is up to it though - a regular Hostgator account won't do the job well.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisMoon
    I use Sticky Worm, a great self hosted solution.
    I'm not an affiliate or associated with the product just a satisfied user.
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  • Profile picture of the author napoleonfirst
    Amazon SES is fine. But you can also try iContact and Constant Contact.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndreVas
    Self-hosted wins anyday over 3rd party!

    1) Get arpReach - autoresponder and email marketing software

    2) Get smtp.com (which allows you to send thousands of emails via their reliable, high-delivery SMTP service. This way you don't have to send through your host. Hence never have to worry about being suspended.)

    There!

    Solution 100x better then all the Aweber, Mailchimp, iContact gramophones... yet noone knows about it. Simply because most are sheeps, repeating what they've heard from other sheeps.
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    • Profile picture of the author drenbellony
      Originally Posted by AndreVas View Post

      Self-hosted wins anyday over 3rd party!

      1) Get arpReach - autoresponder and email marketing software

      2) Get smtp.com (which allows you to send thousands of emails via their reliable, high-delivery SMTP service. This way you don't have to send through your host. Hence never have to worry about being suspended.)

      There!

      Solution 100x better then all the Aweber, Mailchimp, iContact gramophones... yet noone knows about it. Simply because most are sheeps, repeating what they've heard from other sheeps.
      Soo,...
      Why lot of people choose Aweber, Getresponse or other service? Why they not use premium smtp server?

      Thanks for advance.
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      • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
        People tend to be pack runners. If someone says do not do something they become a pack and begin parroting the same logic to other people.

        Other reasons are the majority of this forum probably has an affiliate account with both aweber and getresponse. I do and I still have my pages up. Although when my product is finished being manufactured and beta tested it will contain my program.

        It is just like everyone screaming Aweber has a 99.9 percent delivery rate or something like that. I can have that as a delivery rate and in actuality only 40 percent made it to the inbox.

        What to look for is open and click rate. I know my mails are still being delivered to the promotion inbox and there are three things that I know of that put them there. One is the header of the email. List-Unsubscribe (my mailing service wont let me take that out) Two is the unsubscribe link which I could beat with a picture of the word unsubscribe and the third is the affiliate link which I could beat with a landing page.

        I Have tried the latter two and it does not help since I can not change the header in the email.

        Remember pack runners tend to get less things done and pay much more money. Be the leader of the pack and do what you can that you think is best and tweak it to make it better. The rich ones are the ones that go against the grain.
        Originally Posted by drenbellony View Post

        Soo,...
        Why lot of people choose Aweber, Getresponse or other service? Why they not use premium smtp server?

        Thanks for advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
    I use GWA autoresponder Pro, its a plug for wordpress and it does a great job, never had any problems and i have been using this plugin for more them 6 years now....

    You don't have to worry about sending to much mails to fast because it has a throttle function.
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  • Profile picture of the author khooster1
    Whatever autorespounders you used be it self-hosted or professional hosted (aweber, etc), please make sure you archive your subscriber lists into your thumb-drive for back-up purposes.
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  • Profile picture of the author kennytan
    If you'd choose to run your email marketing on a self hosted solution, you will need to observe a few things.

    1.Host Mail Server IP Sending Reputation
    2.Feedback Loop & Whitelisting
    3.Mail Transport Gateway
    4.A Reliable Auto Responder Script that Don't Screw you up on email delivery.

    If you just want to send less than 50 emails per month or have only 50 subscribers, then you should have no problem at the beginning. But when your list grows, you need all the above.
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  • Profile picture of the author Amirol
    If you really want to host your own autoresponder software, I suggest arpreach.com. However, please use at least a VPS to host your autoresponder software.

    Do not use Share hosting because ALL shared hosting will limit your email sending. For example, hostgator only allows 500 emails per hour and cannot send more than 5000 emails per day.

    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Riq
      Hostgator will still complain. you need a dedicated server and then the cost is the same or more...
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    • Profile picture of the author Jreed
      Originally Posted by Amirol View Post

      If you really want to host your own autoresponder software, I suggest arpreach.com. However, please use at least a VPS to host your autoresponder software.

      Do not use Share hosting because ALL shared hosting will limit your email sending. For example, hostgator only allows 500 emails per hour and cannot send more than 5000 emails per day.

      Hope this helps.
      the hostgator limit does not apply since you are not sending the emails through their server. you are using the 3rd party smtp.

      see attachment
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  • Profile picture of the author esr
    Reading this brings back awful memories of a time pre-Aweber, maybe 1998 or so, when I bought a program that would host autoresponders on my site. What an effing nightmare that was!

    Learning all the programming stuff, cron jobs, etc. It was horrible. I bought myself a $400 headache that lasted for about a year!

    I love Aweber!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Hale
    Don't self host if your domain registrar is Go Daddy. If subscribers mark your mails as spam rather than unsubscribing, some email providers report this through their system, which goes to other spam reporting systems which find their way back to Go Daddy and they will lock your domain and slap you with a $200 unlock fee (not sure of exact amount), but it is in their terms of use.

    Honestly use one of the credible mail providers such as aWebber, GetResponse or MailChimp. MailChimp is also free to join and you upgrade based on subscribers etc., I pay $10 a month and like their interface a lot.
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    • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
      See this is what I mean when I say packs and parroting. You do not understand this but yet your telling don't do it. For one there mail does not go through Godaddy even if they are hosted on GoDaddy, it goes through a smtp server or through api which is completely unrelated.

      You can even have a dedicated ip address if you like. Now if you have been mailing a while you know that the majority of individuals do not even miss a link for another one like you suggested, so I do not think you have ever mailed out in bulk before.

      A legitimate marketer will have less and usually way less than 1/10th of a percent spam rate. Looks like in the last 5,000 emails I have sent I have had one spam complain, is that even on the decimal system. I mean 50 would be one percent so 1 is .00050 and I know that isn't right because I suck at math.

      I changed that email address by the way.

      Status Sender Email Subject Opens Clicks
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      Aug 24, 2013 7:47 pm info@hotwebinnovations.com st@@@@@@@@@@78@yahoo.com Hey, I need a little help please.
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      Originally Posted by Jared Hale View Post

      Don't self host if your domain registrar is Go Daddy. If subscribers mark your mails as spam rather than unsubscribing, some email providers report this through their system, which goes to other spam reporting systems which find their way back to Go Daddy and they will lock your domain and slap you with a $200 unlock fee (not sure of exact amount), but it is in their terms of use.

      Honestly use one of the credible mail providers such as aWebber, GetResponse or MailChimp. MailChimp is also free to join and you upgrade based on subscribers etc., I pay $10 a month and like their interface a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author commerce cat
    Mailchimp is great but they have strict rules against internet marketing - they don't like it, unlike Aweber, which is way more tolerant.

    It's not such a bad thing - it forces you to create emails that add real value and aren't just a bunch of spammy links.
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  • Profile picture of the author tritrain
    Why not self-host at your home?

    It's not that hard to set up a server at home. The level of control you'd have available...

    I haven't tried it, but a person should be able to route everything through the latest high anon proxies too. You could even offer it as a service to a limited group of your closest buddies, for a nominal fee (electricity, ISP costs, etc.).

    Hmmm....
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You might as well renew your membership with Aweber... or even Getresponse. Self hosting will cost you more (including time) than a simple $19 a month from Aweber.
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    • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
      Thats funny, took me ten minutes to set up. Takes me longer to navigate around getresponse than it did to set up my self hosted and I do one a day usually, I am starting to keep my lists on my websites now.

      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      You might as well renew your membership with Aweber... or even Getresponse. Self hosting will cost you more (including time) than a simple $19 a month from Aweber.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Good point to bring up. Can you import a list to Aweber, sure you can and then they have to double optin. How many do, I have tried it and you pretty much have to give your first born to get even half of them too.

    Can you sell your aweber account. No you can not trade loan or sell system accounts. How many of you have all your lists on one AR company. I actually had three companies, now down to one only because it was a yearly subscription but don't really use it.

    Now if you self host and you keep your list on the webpage you promote or website you can not only sell the webiste but you can sell the list.

    As I have said in so many posts. How do I do it.
    Install wordpress
    Install AR
    Set up ar with my mail servers settings
    Set up my mail server with my ar
    I import a list or lists
    I make sure port 587 is open
    I send a blast to test it.

    Took me the first time about 30 minutes, Now I can do it in ten minutes or less.

    Delivery rates now are above 99 percent. I quit looking at that though since those numbers have no relevance for me.

    Open rates are a little better and I quit comparing click rates because that has nothing to do with it since it is just about open rates, the email is about click rates and the product.

    Now even with a low producing website say 200.00 a month and with a list of a thousand, how much more would you expect that site to be worth?

    My Answer
    I heck of alot more?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jreed
      HS,

      Question about dedicated IP's. If the SMTP provider offers a dedicated IP upgrade does that eliminate the need for changing your host from a shared server to a dedicated server.

      I'm a little confused on how IP blacklisting works when you are using a SMTP server.
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      • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
        You never need a dedicated server unless that is your hosting providers rules.
        If so switch over to hostgator or another one for 4 bucks a month and email them first asking like this.
        "I have a double optin list I would like to send newsletters out to. Can I have port 587 open please"
        You do not need a dedicated ip either. I tested a dedi out for one month and made no difference at all so that is a personal preference.

        Ip blacklisting won't happen if your with one of the top smtp servers, if it does and it's because of your they will blacklist you.

        Here is how it works. They send your mail slowly, you have to build your reputation. So they will send a few hundred the first day and watch the bounces, the spam and the complaints.
        As your mail goes through you will speed up faster and faster, I am up to 10,000 a day with a great reputation. It would be really difficult for someone to abuse the servers and get away with it so there is little chance of it getting blacklisted.
        Originally Posted by Jreed View Post

        HS,

        Question about dedicated IP's. If the SMTP provider offers a dedicated IP upgrade does that eliminate the need for changing your host from a shared server to a dedicated server.

        I'm a little confused on how IP blacklisting works when you are using a SMTP server.
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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Fridrihs
    Hey Michelle

    Try Sendy.com. It is self-hosted and there are plenty of advantages. Just be carefully with short emails e.g blah, blah, blah here is the link...

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
      There is no ar script on sendy or sending.com

      If your speaking of sendy.co that is a php script and I don't advise that for someone with no experience. Plus she has to go with amazon s3 on that one.

      Why not pick another one that is a plugin so click and install and she can pick the smtp service she wants and there are some good free ones out there and some less than 59.00
      Originally Posted by Igor Fridrihs View Post

      Hey Michelle

      Try Sendy.com. It is self-hosted and there are plenty of advantages. Just be carefully with short emails e.g blah, blah, blah here is the link...

      Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    I say don't go for self hosted autoresponder and go for aweber or getresponse.
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    • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
      So how many years did you do self hosted.

      Originally Posted by Fazal Mayar View Post

      I say don't go for self hosted autoresponder and go for aweber or getresponse.
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      • Profile picture of the author stevendbrady
        I started using Wysija (a WordPress plugin) and Mandrill (SMTP service by MailChimp) about a month ago and I'm quite happy with them thus far. Wysija doesn't require any complicated setup, since it's a plugin on a platform I'm already using, and Mandrill gives me 12,000 emails a month free. Both worth looking at, especially if just starting out and looking to start on the cheap.

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    • Profile picture of the author spearce000
      Originally Posted by Fazal Mayar View Post

      I say don't go for self hosted autoresponder and go for aweber or getresponse.
      You have to hand it to the folks at getresponse and aweber: They're so good at brainwashing people into believing that theirs are the ONLY solutions (and that bad things will happen if you don't use them), that even cynical marketers fall for it.


      Some of us know better, though.



      That said, wouldn't YOU like those sort of qualities associated with your product or service? They must be doing something right.
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  • Profile picture of the author freefall12
    You can set up an email server on any Linux VPS, then plug in an autoresponder script. it works as good any commercial one. i used POSTFIX with this autoresponder http://www.nefaria.com/scriptz/autoresponse-1.6.2.tar.g
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Amend Brother. Yet we have the power to change the thinking of the Internet Marketer.

    Remember I am here to help anyone willing to break out of the grasps of those
    Cash Sucking AR companies.

    You don't have to totally switch over. Just do it and put maybe a 100 on the list, they can still be on aweber while your testing.

    I will give you insight to everything to do for free just to test it.

    My quest is to save people money. Call me The Assassin Saver Super Hero lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    That makes me think, I wonder what the big companies use Like Warriorforum. Let me get my cape and fly over to my email and find out.
    Umm from what I can tell, they have an inbuilt system.
    Wonder what Microsoft uses oh there own system.
    Wonder what? uses

    You get my meaning.
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  • Profile picture of the author alrikvincent
    hustlinsmoke I was reading the entire thread. What software do you use for email marketing? I got the impression it is a wordpress plugin?

    I was thinking of getting interspire email marketing software and putting it in my host. I am also planning to move to an unmanaged host which charges me $20 a YEAR for VPS. Lol I never knew unmanaged hosting even existed, but there is a steep learning curve ahead for me and thought I would incorporate self hosted email marketing into my learning experience. Anyway I was under the impression you personally installed a script like interspire in your hosting account until I read your later thread which mentioned a plugin. I was unable to find anything for free which let me schedule emails to send to new subscribers in specific day intervals. Do let me know how you do your self hosted email marketing. A tutorial will help people like me save a lot of time.

    Thanks a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author tantan
    I did research in the past several months, here's my conclusion:
    - use at least VPS hosting, although you still can use shared hosting for a small list.
    - use STMP provider for email delivery: amazon ses, sendgrid, etc.
    and here's my top list of self-hosted autoresponder apps:
    1. octeth.com
    2. arpreach.com
    3. sendy.co
    4. interspire.com

    I got mine and I can say it's great to have self-hosted autoresponder
    But I still use 3rd party autoresponder like Getresponse & Sendreach.
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  • Profile picture of the author ddDonPaul
    Originally Posted by Michelle McDaniel View Post

    Hi

    My aweber account has just expired, and I don't want to renew it.


    Does anyone know of a self hosted solution at all?


    Thanks
    i guess that what you are looking for in something like interspire email marketer. i`ve been using it for a while and it works great. you can check it out here. sign up for a demo and see if you like it.
    if you buy it from this link you will get $20 discount lol just kidding
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  • Profile picture of the author Jerry Higgins
    Michelle,

    I've been doing some in-depth research on the topic of self hosted autoresponders recently. Here is what I've found so far.

    You basically need two things to make it work....

    #1 - a script or some list management software to interface with #2 which is....
    #2 - a 3rd party SMTP relay server such as Amazon SES, SendGrid, Mailjet, etc.

    Using your webhost server to send out your emails is not a great long-term solution as they will have a daily limit on how many messages you can send. The SMTP services I mention above are cheap.... $.10 (as in ten cents) per 1,000 emails.

    As for free software, there are a couple of ways to go.... a WP plugin or a self hosted script.

    The best free WP autoresponder plugin that I found that will interface with a 3rd party SMPT server (SendGrid) is Wysija AKA Mailpoet. I have a working system set-up with it right now. The drawback to Wysija is that the free version will only allow a list size of 2,000 subscribers. They do have a paid version but if you're going to pay, you might as well go for a one-time paid self hosted script such as arpReach or Sendy.

    There are a couple of free self hosted autoresponder scripts available such as Infinite Responder and Parabots. The problem is that neither are currently supported and they can be a bitch to install (if you're not a techie). Most importantly though is that they do not integrate with a 3rd party SMTP server (although I'm sure a programmer could hack them to do so).

    phpList is another option. It's a free, self hosted, open source mailing list management script that is pretty robust. It has an active support community and it interfaces nicely with any SMTP relay service. The only problem is that it doesn't come with a built-in sequential autoresponder. I have it up and running now and was able to find a free AR plugin for it that I'm trying to get it to work with. If I can get the AR plugin to work, phpList looks to be the ultimate free, self hosted autoresponder option currently available.... for me anyway.

    Full disclosure; if you aren't willing or inclined to pop open the hood and get your hands a little dirty installing and configuring a self hosted script, then you're better off staying with a monthly paid, 3rd party service such as AW or GR.

    That being said, phpList will install from cPanel on many webhosts and there is plenty of ongoing support that will enable a motivated newbie to get it set-up.

    Also, the free Wysija WP plugin option works really well and the set-up is pretty straight forward. The support is awesome. None of the other free WP autoresponder plugins that I tested seem to come even close.

    Hope that helps....
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    • Profile picture of the author vrilstain
      A great free option is WP Autoresponder and Newsletter Plugin. External SMTP on Mandrill.
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  • Profile picture of the author meepo
    Just wanted to add my support for the MailPoet Wordpress plugin (formerly known as Wysija)

    This is one of the most impressive solutions for running your own newsletter or autoresponder.

    MailPoet: a Newsletter Plugin for WordPress

    Check out their blog for some case studies of how people have saved hundreds of dollars by NOT using Aweber.

    PS - you can use MailPoet and hook it up to something like SendGrid or Mandrill, and save a TON of money while having better deliverability than iContact or GetResponse.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    I am running a self-hosted autoresponder in my special list of less than 1000 subscribers and I have no problem at all... But I think more than 1000 subscribers is not feasible to use self-hosted...
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    • Profile picture of the author abs007
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      I am running a self-hosted autoresponder in my special list of less than 1000 subscribers and I have no problem at all... But I think more than 1000 subscribers is not feasible to use self-hosted...
      Really? I would assume the larger the list you have then the more you will start to lean towards getting a self hosted solution -

      Working with a self hosted AR is more hands on then services such as Aweber as they come configured for you on their servers, however with your own AR then you get full control.

      With your own AR then it requires a little more effort such as getting it installed, making sure its configured correctly, making sure you have configured your SPF, DKIM and sender ID records etc.

      thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Adie
        Originally Posted by abs007 View Post

        Really? I would assume the larger the list you have then the more you will start to lean towards getting a self hosted solution -

        Working with a self hosted AR is more hands on then services such as Aweber as they come configured for you on their servers, however with your own AR then you get full control.

        With your own AR then it requires a little more effort such as getting it installed, making sure its configured correctly, making sure you have configured your SPF, DKIM and sender ID records etc.

        thanks
        I know but having thousands of subscribers into an AR I think one should get a dedicated hosting, or negotiate with his hosting provider. My AR uses shared hosting that's why I don't want to add more on that list. Yes, I have future plan to move this list to a dedicated hosting when I found a reliable one.

        Hosting is always the main concern when running a self hosted AR.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Whenever it comes to self-hosted vs. third party autoresponder services
    I always ask "Do the third parties use a third party to do their email
    marketing or do they use a self-hosted solution?"

    In plain language, does aWeber use a third party ESP or self hosted?

    -Ray Edwards
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  • Profile picture of the author Jtraits
    You pay email marketing services because you have templates there to use, the editor, easy to use software, uploading the contacts, creating groups, segment groups, get your campaign to the inbox. if all of that could be used by a self hosted campaign, then why there are so many email marketing companies out there? get once marked as a spammer in your self hosted auto responder and you are done, wave goodbye to the effort you have done so far
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    This subject comes up from time to time and it is comical to see some of the bogus replies but what if you could look between the lines of what is being said and figure out why people seem to be so biased?

    The truth is that you could use Yahoo or Gmail and get as good a result as a paid service.

    That is a fact and I know a lot of people that are doing just that thing.

    They do not have this mysterious disease where somehow emails do not go where they should go, LOL on that but hey if your trying to sell a service that can be found for free I guess that would be something that you might think about doing.

    When you consider that fact then the truth will in this case set you free from the muddy waters of biased posts.

    I love to see someone post about how you cant get emails delivered, which is nothing but either ignorance or a lie, because lets face it if spammers can get hundreds of thousands of emails delivered for free, then there has to be something wrong with the idea that you have to pay in order to get your emails delivered.

    That is also the truth.

    But none of that matters, if you have a good quality product and your customers want to hear from you, you could use just about any service and have no problem...

    So, if you want to pay for a service, Go for it no one is stopping you from doing that.

    But to come in here and post hogwash, that I call BS on.
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  • Profile picture of the author drr
    There are WP based autoresponder plugins that are free. I've used them for clients who had a limited budget and didn't want to fork out monthly fees for a few hundred subscribers or so. If you're not a BIG user of email lists, I'd advocate them - work fine without the bells n whistles and lets you allocate that spend on another part of your business...
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  • Profile picture of the author majick
    I've always preferred the self-hosting myself, even when other options have been available, it somehow seems "neater" to have an autoresponder setup for each site that's accessible when you're working on that site instead of separately.

    To this end, I've done an update and port of Infinity Responder into a Wordpress plugin, with many bugfixes, improvements and features added. Enjoy! :-)

    WP Infinity Responder (still free!)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jerry Higgins
      Hey majick....

      Thanks for the link to the plugin. Wondering whether Infinity Responder supports sending through a 3rd party SMTP service like Sendgrid, Amazon SES, etc?

      I recently found MyMail which is also a Wordpress plugin but it's not free like Infinity. Works pretty good though.

      Thanks again!!!
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