Writing quality Content?

by DriftZ
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Hi there, instead of a intro I'm just going to dive right into my problem. I can't write good enough content to post on my website and I also don't want to write crappy one making my website look bad. Is there any writing tips/format i should be aware of ? Ultimately ,I'll be interested in hiring some content writer after I gain enough so how much will it cost to hire a content writer?

Thanks,
Drift
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    You can find some good content writers in the Warriors For Hire section.
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    • Profile picture of the author mikereisinger
      You could try to hire a writer from odesk.com. Just be selective on who you hire. Interview them a couple times and make sure to get a writing sample from them.
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        Originally Posted by mikereisinger View Post

        You could try to hire a writer from odesk.com. Just be selective on who you hire. Interview them a couple times and make sure to get a writing sample from them.
        yeah odesk is great.. they test and certify English proficiency etc for you.. Also you can have a gander in the Buy and Sell section of WF
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  • Profile picture of the author cycler
    like the above poster said, you can hire content writers right here on this forum. Just be aware of the 'discount' writers, sometimes you get what you pay for.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    I would suggest that you write your own original content and then have someone who is well-spoken in English edit the content for you. Perhaps you could barter and have this done in exchange for something you could offer the other person.

    Also, if you have it written by someone else, make sure that you Copyscape, or otherwise check the content for plagiarism. There seems to be a lot of that going around in the industry right now.

    Like cycler said, you tend to get what you pay for. There are a lot of desperate people in the world right now. Remember that.
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  • Profile picture of the author DriftZ
    To all of the above that mention hiring, I do like your suggestions ( hiring from odesk, checking for plargirism, etc..) But right now, those solutions won't apply to me just yet as I do want to only hire once the income stream appears.
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by DriftZ View Post

    Hi there, instead of a intro I'm just going to dive right into my problem. I can't write good enough content to post on my website and I also don't want to write crappy one making my website look bad. Is there any writing tips/format i should be aware of ? Ultimately ,I'll be interested in hiring some content writer after I gain enough so how much will it cost to hire a content writer?

    Thanks,
    Drift
    Writing content for a website isn't difficult. It's not like school. Just write like you are talking to a friend -- making sure to answer any common questions they might have about whatever you are promoting. Also, try to keep your reviews between 400 and 450 words. Conversions tend to suffer when your reviews are really long.

    Good luck,
    Joey
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    • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
      Originally Posted by Miguelito203 View Post

      ...try to keep your reviews between 400 and 450 words. Conversions tend to suffer when your reviews are really long.
      I'm sorry, but that is simply wrong. Just about everyone who is successful at selling products through reviews will tell you that reviews of 1,000 to 1,500 words in length outsell shorter reviews of 400 to 500 words - every time.

      Do a search through this forum and check for yourself. Those who are doing well with reviews will generally tell you that longer is better.

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    Buy software like Dragon Naturally speaking, perhaps. It can speed up the process a lot, potentially, it seems.

    One thing I do is write a bunch of draft content in one niche and then once I have maybe 5-10 short drafts, I can usually combined and edit it to make one reasonably decent article about a certain topic. I find I can write short drafts really fast, but if I sit there a while, it can take a lot longer to create quality content.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    OK. Here are your issues.
    1. You say you'll only hire once you make money. Yet you say you won't hire someone til you make money. That's a problem for you in itself.
    2. I am a writer AND a proofreader/editor so I offer both or either service.
    3. It sounds like you NEED to hire someone to get you to a point where you can earn money.

    Please correct me if I am wrong on any of those points but it really does sound like you need someone now so you can get some runs on the board instead of trying to do something you hate and aren't good at.
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    • Profile picture of the author zonkow
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      OK. Here are your issues.
      1. You say you'll only hire once you make money. Yet you say you won't hire someone til you make money. That's a problem for you in itself.
      2. I am a writer AND a proofreader/editor so I offer both or either service.
      3. It sounds like you NEED to hire someone to get you to a point where you can earn money.

      Please correct me if I am wrong on any of those points but it really does sound like you need someone now so you can get some runs on the board instead of trying to do something you hate and aren't good at.
      Hey Laurance,
      How much do you charge a 600 word article?
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Yea - it sounds as if you are wanting someone to tell you that you can succeed by publishing your own "poor quality" content.

    I don't think anyone here is going to tell you that - although it wouldn't be entirely impossible...but your conversions would suffer tremendously.

    Unfortunately, there's no magic pill you can take, Drift. You are at a crossroad, it seems.

    How about purchasing a TLD of the country of your first language - creating a website in that language, and then using the money from that venture to fund your English campaign???
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  • Profile picture of the author DriftZ
    About the coversion, what is it excatly? How google views the site? I also want to know how much it is to hire a writer? Possibly two to five articles per day?
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  • Profile picture of the author StephenJJackson
    Hi DriftZ,

    "I can't write good enough content to post on my website and I also don't want to write crappy one making my website look bad."

    * Your writing doesn't seem bad to me, I've seen worse.

    "Is there any writing tips/format i should be aware of?"

    * Are you trying to target a specific market? Are you using specific keywords? What is the niche you're trying to target? These are all questions you'll need to answer before you can figure out the types of articles you would like to post.

    "Ultimately ,I'll be interested in hiring some content writer after I gain enough so how much will it cost to hire a content writer?"

    * How are you going to gain if you aren't writing content for yourself right now, bringing in targeted traffic, and selling your products and services?

    "those solutions won't apply to me just yet as I do want to only hire once the income stream appears."

    * If you don't begin to write for yourself or hire someone, those profits you're looking for will not materialize.

    Here is a tip... By book on writing and learn as much as you can. The important thing to understand here is - even though you find a writer to write content for you, how will you know if it's any good? Learning to write doesn't mean you have to be a professional at it to make money, but once you learn it - it can be a valuable tool down the road.

    For now, if you don't want to write content, and you are waiting until you make money to hire a writer, you may find yourself with a bigger problem.

    Just a thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author DriftZ
    I apperciate your suggestion Stephen ! I'm a little more persuade to write my own content but I'm not quite aware of the conversion you guys were talking about which seems like something I should know about before I do what I do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Iriss
    Put love into your content. If you don't love the subject, why bother?

    Don't hire content writers. They will not love writing your content.

    That means it will not be special.

    When you love your stuff, you will learn to write the best article. People really do notice the difference. And that's when they spread the word.

    1) Stop thinking about money.
    2) Stop thinking that articles,adsense,amazon,jesus will make money for you
    ....They won't. You will.
    3) Start thinking about how you can improve yourself.
    4) As you grow your business will grow alongside with you.

    It's all about personal development (80%) Scientifically proven.

    If you don't do it -- nobody else will do it for you. Think virgin Mary will do it for you?

    The other 20% is the action.

    I don't mean to be rude, but you sound like the average lazy boy who tries to make tons of money in exchange for not doing anything yourself. That's not how it works. You will not succeed that way.

    When I say "succeed", I don't say it the way you think I am. I'm not talking about making money. Yes, a lot of people will make some money, some will make a lot... but they have not succeeded because they feel like crap about what they did to make money. They will not be personally fulfilled, because they didn't love what they were doing.

    Good Luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author nellterry
      Originally Posted by Iriss View Post

      Don't hire content writers. They will not love writing your content.

      That means it will not be special.
      I have to disagree here. Good writers can take a niche they detest and spin magic for you.

      It depends on who is doing the writing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Originally Posted by nellterry View Post

        I have to disagree here. Good writers can take a niche they detest and spin magic for you.

        It depends on who is doing the writing.

        ...and how much you are paying them! Trust me, this comes from both long-term and recent experience.

        And come on guys (not Nell), you should require that the writer be well versed and experienced in your niche before you even strike a deal. They are going to be working for YOU - get writing examples, get references. If they are worth it, then they won't have a problem giving you these things.

        You can't just trust or cross your fingers that they will be passionate about your niche. You have to figure that out before you sign on the dotted line.
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  • Profile picture of the author DriftZ
    Ahaha! Are you a profiler or am I just too obvious? I guess your words did shook me thinking that the IM formula I researched about would defiantly make money. Which now I know it won't as everything would be determined by how I execute it. Farewell, Naive mind.

    I like how you mention putting love into the content but even if I'm going to write content on the topic I love. I afraid that my writing going to ruin the website reputation and ruin the conversion.
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    • Profile picture of the author AsaFarr
      If you can, try to always pay for the words. It makes sure that you'll only pay for what you actually will get get AND it can be cheaper in many situations.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lee Murray
    Put some love in your content, you lazy boy. :p

    Oh, I see someone already stole my advice...

    Seriously, though.

    If you want to hire someone to create your content for you, it is always a plus if they know (and with luck, have a passion for) your niche. Otherwise, the content may end up sounding robotic, like rewritten research.

    It's not always enough to hire someone who can write good English. Good English is just the quality of the paint. It's what the writer actually does with that English that creates a masterpiece.

    I have literally NEVER gotten satisfactory results from oDesk. Maybe others' experiences differ from mine, but I will likely never return to that site again.

    My advice...

    Save up 50 bucks. Visit the Warriors for Hire section or a site like Guru.com and find writers in the 10-dollar-an-article neighborhood. Find someone whose bio and/or sales copy absolutely reeks of both professionalism and the intangibles (humor, wit, charm, personability, etc).

    Find the writer who gives you the most certainty and hire him or her to write 5 articles for you.

    Put those articles on your blog, do the proper SEO (or whatever other promotion techniques you happen to favor), and see how they perform.

    If the results knock your socks off, then you may have found yourself a permanent content provider. If not, then go sell your blood, wash some windows, or play the spoons on a street corner, save up another 50 bucks, and try again.

    Bottom line, when you go cheap, you're taking a greater chance of being disappointed than if you hire a professional. There are exceptions, but I'd play the odds if I were you.
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  • Profile picture of the author anshuldayal
    I would also suggest looking at PLR content and just get someone on sites like content authority to re-write a unique version.

    I have been using this strategy for a number of my authority blogs and just costs me $3-$4 for a fairly decent re-written article instead of $10 if I was to get someone to write a high quality article on textbroker from scratch.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lee Murray
      Originally Posted by anshuldayal View Post

      I would also suggest looking at PLR content and just get someone on sites like content authority to re-write a unique version.

      I have been using this strategy for a number of my authority blogs and just costs me $3-$4 for a fairly decent re-written article instead of $10 if I was to get someone to write a high quality article on textbroker from scratch.
      Where do you go to have your re-writes done?
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  • Profile picture of the author greenleaf5
    Try sites like Guru.com and Elance.com. Checkout the portfolios of the writers and their rates. It may be hard to find a writer with experience in your niche but if you do take time and search, you might find one with a match for your writing needs and budget. As a faster route to find a writer for your content area, advertize at sites like Craiglist.com. Good luck to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author sidcandid
      You can hire a content writer. There are a number of Warriors offering quality article for a reasonable price at Warrior for Hire Section. I also offer article writing service at Warrior for Hire section. You can get a link to my offer just below. Try us for a few articles and you won't be dissapointed.
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  • Profile picture of the author nagor
    I have done this as a newbie mainly through lack of time in sitting down and doing it myself, but one thing that I would suggest is learning how to write copy so as you know the difference between good and bad.
    It is true you pay for what you get in this life and when I did it I found a writer that used to sell the product that I had and this proved invaluable.
    Buy a couple of books on it, you don't have to actually write but knowing what you are buying is half the battle.
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    • Profile picture of the author packerfan
      I'm no way affiliated with the service, and just as a reference I've outsourced over 4,000 articles for a mixture of personal use and when I ran a writing service...

      I just bought 10 articles from i writer dot com and I was extremely impressed. These were $5 articles. I know what to expect, they are serving a specific purpose. I'm not going to get into some silly debate as what determines quality.

      I'm telling you right now that these 10 articles are going on a website, and when people land on that page the query that got them there will be answered in a satisfactory way. That's what I needed these articles to do.

      So I'd give em a shot. I didn't have to make a single edit to any of them, and so far 8 out of the 10 are done (within about 5 hours from posting the project).

      My dedicated team of writers better step it up because I'm liking that service a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author luckyshah290
    Yeah That is one of the problem i used to suffer from ..
    Writing good content is relative concept .. For starters if you dont know how to write good contents try doing a google search and find some relative sites .. it will give you some reference for the Content ...

    Warrior Forum Is Also At Your Disposal .. You know where to find it ..
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  • Profile picture of the author tropvik
    Originally Posted by DriftZ View Post

    Hi there, instead of a intro I'm just going to dive right into my problem. I can't write good enough content to post on my website and I also don't want to write crappy one making my website look bad. Is there any writing tips/format i should be aware of ? Ultimately ,I'll be interested in hiring some content writer after I gain enough so how much will it cost to hire a content writer?

    Thanks,
    Drift
    Well i have shared this tools before, but ill go ahead and share them on your thread.

    I currently spend a lot of time improving my writing, and im basically using the following tools:

    1. Best Grammar Checker and Proofreading Software by Grammarly
    2. Grammar Girl :: Quick and Dirty Tips ™

    Grammarly is amazing as far as spell check and checking for plagiarism.

    If you listen to Grammar Girl enough, you might end up being an English Professor lol.

    Please let me know what you think about these tools.
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    • Profile picture of the author tropvik
      Originally Posted by yodawg View Post

      Is there any program available what would check the text for you? Just asking becouse english isn't my mother language and I don't want any spelling mistakes to my articles.
      I just provided to you bro...

      Best Grammar Checker and Proofreading Software by Grammarly

      Its paid, but its the BEST in my opinion. and Web Based, so you can use from anywhere.

      I travel a lot, and it rocks because i can check my spelling on any computer, anywhere in the world.
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      • Profile picture of the author DGFletcher
        Just sayin', if you need pricing, I do 1c per word and can write about anything.

        I agree with NellTerry. Content writers don't get a kick out of 'ooh, I wrote about THIS NICHE!!'. That's not what gets them excited. What gets them excited is "ooh, I wrote stuff!!"

        Seriously.
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        • Profile picture of the author nellterry
          Originally Posted by DGFletcher View Post

          Just sayin', if you need pricing, I do 1c per word and can write about anything.

          I agree with NellTerry. Content writers don't get a kick out of 'ooh, I wrote about THIS NICHE!!'. That's not what gets them excited. What gets them excited is "ooh, I wrote stuff!!"

          Seriously.
          Lol. Yea, I wrote some Amazon reviews about power tools, and I can't use them to save my life. The topic didn't interest me AT ALL, but the reviews came out so beautiful - better than the original Amazonian format - and I was so pumped that I read the articles over and over before I sent them out. My client loved them, too. You're right about being excited about the writing itself, that's really the gratifying part.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul_1
    yeah, I agree with most of the suggestions here. I you don't have the full talent to write, then ask or pay someone to pay for you. Just make sure that each articles/write-ups are unique and are not just copied from any other resources. Also, hire those who are good in grammars and punctuation. Just some thoughts to guide you.
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  • Profile picture of the author DriftZ
    Thanks everybody, just wondering, how much articles should I post each day?
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  • Profile picture of the author textbroker
    DriftZ, didacus had some great resources for you. I love Grammar Girl, I think she keeps it easy.
    Textbroker's author blog also has some tips for authors about more technical grammar issues, like comma placement textbroker. com/blog
    But other posters had it right: before you either write or hire a writer, think about three things:
    1. What should this piece do? Make me an expert, prompt a purchase?
    2. Who is my audience? Why is my product appealing to them?
    3. What's the subject, and why is my take on it different from everyone else?
    Once you've got these three things answered, it will be easier to write an effective piece, whether you write it yourself or you have someone else write it for you. If you have someone else write it, you'll be able to judge if the piece followed your instructions.
    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Hi,

    I have found what I think is a pretty good method . To get my writing juices flowing I pay $20 for 16 articles on iwriter.

    I have found the research the junior writers do is excellent albeit the grammar is from good to poor.

    Next I run the articles through Best Grammar Checker and Proofreading Software by Grammarly

    Best Grammar Checker and Proofreading Software by Grammarly really works.

    Next I flesh out the article and if I doubt my grammar I run the articles through Best Grammar Checker and Proofreading Software by Grammarly again.

    When I'm finished I have 20 to 30 nice articles for $20 and an hour or two of work.

    George wright
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  • Profile picture of the author yoangov
    Read XFactor's authority guide.
    Exactly the model Im following for my sites when it comes to content.

    Cheers,
    Yoangov
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    • Profile picture of the author cherchar
      I heard hiring from Elance is also a great place to outsource for writing gigs. First View a writers profile and feedback, the higher rating the better. You can place what they call a job up at Elance with the niche PLR content you want them to write and see what writers respond, you can chose who you want to write for you.
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