question about Squidoo lenses

by Jurrie
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hey folks

i never put much thought into using squidoo, but after reading a certain post about it , i'd thought i go take a peek and i was kind of surpised ...
Am i under the wrong impression , but is squidoo like a platform where you create a 1 page website and everyone on squidoo can view it , without you having to build a list of friends first ?

slap me if my question is a tiny bit on the dumb site, grin

regards

Jurrie
#lenses #question #squidoo
  • Profile picture of the author blitz20
    whats good about squidoo is when you create a page it ranks pretty quick due to it being an authority site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      These little threads might help you ... (there's really a lot of information here) ...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5171717

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...y-website.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-hubpages.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4928766

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-squidoo.html

      Originally Posted by UptonGoodwin View Post

      The good side of Squidoo is you can make a 1 page website and make money with a $0 investment.
      There are many other places you can do that, far more safely, and without losing your site and/or income and/or business because of Squidoo's ever-changing terms of service and interpretations of them.

      Originally Posted by UptonGoodwin View Post

      The bad side to Squidoo is they can decide to remove your page because it's their website and not a website you own.
      Exactly so. Squidoo gives you nothing that you can't get free elsewhere.

      Originally Posted by blitz20 View Post

      whats good about squidoo is when you create a page it ranks pretty quick due to it being an authority site.
      Sorry, but this one's just completely factually wrong. Reading some of the threads linked to above may help you.
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      • Profile picture of the author AnneE
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        .....

        There are many other places you can do that, far more safely, and without losing your site and/or income and/or business because of Squidoo's ever-changing terms of service and interpretations of them.


        Exactly so. Squidoo gives you nothing that you can't get free elsewhere.
        If anyone knows of a place to create a one-page website and get it ranked quickly and well, that works as well as Squidoo please let me know. I've used Hubpages, but it doesn't have the range of modules that Squidoo has, or didn't when I last visited and I never got much traffic on it.

        I have had very good luck with Squidoo pages getting both traffic and page rank, but I do have a love/hate relationship with it, because I agree they are way too fickle with their terms of service.

        I'd love to find a Squidoo equivalent in terms of creating a page and getting traffic and PR (many of my Squidoo pages, the actual page has a PR of 3 even without me building backlnks to it), both to diversify and also have a different source of backlinks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by AnneE View Post

          If anyone knows of a place to create a one-page website and get it ranked quickly and well, that works as well as Squidoo please let me know.
          Hostgator.

          I'm serious. Getting a page ranked quickly and well, especially in these post-Panda days, it seems, has very little to do with "where it's hosted".

          I must admit I haven't used Squidoo for well over a year, but I've done very well with one-page sites at Weebly, Yola, Blinkweb and several other places in the past.

          I do see that for someone who particularly likes Squidoo's construction and their range of modules and so on, then it is giving them something that they can't get elsewhere. So I was outspoken, above.

          The point about not putting time and effort and energy into a site that you can never own and control yourself, and being subject to all the terms of service problems and limitations is, I feel, an altogether more serious one. Just my perspective.

          Originally Posted by AnneE View Post

          I have had very good luck with Squidoo pages getting both traffic ...
          You say that as if it's a good thing, Anne? Wouldn't you rather get that traffic at your own site, instead? To me, the conversation reminds me slightly (only slightly!) of all the hundreds of conversations on the board between successful article marketers and unsuccessful article directory marketers who imagine that if they can get traffic via Ezine Articles they must be doing something right! The fallacy (and I'm not saying this is exactly the same one, just that the conversation is inevitably similar) is explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5075780

          Originally Posted by AnneE View Post

          and page rank, but ...
          Ah. Page-rank. I stopped believing in it when Google did.

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5084431

          http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ll-matter.html

          Originally Posted by AnneE View Post

          (many of my Squidoo pages, the actual page has a PR of 3 even without me building backlnks to it), both to diversify and also have a different source of backlinks.
          Yes ... I used to use it as part of my backlinking strategy. No more. I'm interested in relevant backlinks, not higher-PR backlinks, now, just like Google is. And from what they say, that won't be changing any time soon.

          I can't promise you that you'll necessarily get the same page rank at (for example) Weebly that you'll get at Squidoo. I believe you will, if you do the same things, but I have no evidence to offer and am no longer a Squidoo user, so I can't compare. But I've done very well, using Weebly, and I like them and I think they're very underrated. And they won't give you any of the many problems that Squidoo always will and can and does. I'm "just saying" ...
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          • Profile picture of the author Ricky Dawn
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Hostgator.
            You say that as if it's a good thing, Anne? Wouldn't you rather get that traffic at your own site, instead? To me, the conversation reminds me slightly (only slightly!) of all the hundreds of conversations on the board between successful article marketers and unsuccessful article directory marketers who imagine that if they can get traffic via Ezine Articles they must be doing something right! The fallacy (and I'm not saying this is exactly the same one, just that the conversation is inevitably similar) is explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5075780
            The thing with traffic from Squidoo is that it comes from..... Squidoo, you can then feed that traffic to your site. None of my lenses really ranks in Google but they do get a lot of traffic from the Squidoo community, which I wouldn't have got if I had not had a lens.

            I personally built a great lens for the back link anyway not the traffic.

            Ricky
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      • Profile picture of the author AndreasJacobsen
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        These little threads might help you ... (there's really a lot of information here) ...

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5171717

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...y-website.html

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-hubpages.html

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post4928766

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-squidoo.html



        There are many other places you can do that, far more safely, and without losing your site and/or income and/or business because of Squidoo's ever-changing terms of service and interpretations of them.



        Exactly so. Squidoo gives you nothing that you can't get free elsewhere.



        Sorry, but this one's just completely factually wrong. Reading some of the threads linked to above may help you.
        Thank you for sharing
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  • Profile picture of the author UptonGoodwin
    Everyone on the Internet can read your 1 page squidoo website if you do good SEO on it.

    There are two sides of the argument that are going to come up here though. The good side of Squidoo is you can make a 1 page website and make money with a $0 investment.

    The bad side to Squidoo is they can decide to remove your page because it's their website and not a website you own.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jurrie
    well i noticed the adsense blocks on the pages , but i suppose those are from squidoo themselves, lol

    but i get the idea of attracting people to your lenses and forward them to your websites
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    Originally Posted by Jurrie View Post

    is squidoo like a platform where you create a 1 page website and everyone on squidoo can view it , without you having to build a list of friends first ?
    You're correct! No list of friends required. Once it's public, it's viewable by everyone. A Work in Progress lens won't be "featured" in Squidoo but it's still on Google and everything. Here's more about that:

    What to do if your lens is 'Work in Progress' on Squidoo

    I have a free 52 on Squidoo guide that walks you through it on my main home page of my name if you want to download it - feel free.

    And they share the revenue from the page with you FYI.
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    • Profile picture of the author DoubleOhDave
      Originally Posted by TiffanyDow View Post

      You're correct! No list of friends required. Once it's public, it's viewable by everyone. A Work in Progress lens won't be "featured" in Squidoo but it's still on Google and everything. Here's more about that:

      What to do if your lens is 'Work in Progress' on Squidoo

      I have a free 52 on Squidoo guide that walks you through it on my main home page of my name if you want to download it - feel free.

      And they share the revenue from the page with you FYI.

      Hi Tiffany - I couldn't find this on your blog?

      Nice layout btw....
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  • Profile picture of the author Edie47
    Squidoo is helpful in linking to your site either through direct links or RSS feeds. I've picked up traffic from Squidoo in the past. Tiffany's eBook is solid information.
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  • Tiffany Dow's Squidoo guide is very good!

    There are a lot of ways to use Squidoo. I mainly use it to create backlinks to new sites I've built elsewhere since Squidoo is highly ranked and it helps me get my new site spidered quickly and choose my link anchor text. But the trick to this is to give good content on your Squidoo page that is, though related, different than what you're linking to on your new website. Even better if you have a group of Squidoo pages with articles on a similar topic and use them to deeplink into your new website using your chosen keyphrases as anchor text.

    The ad blocks on the sidebars of your Squidoo pages are revenue shares. You get some and Squidoo gets some. I've not made a lot there, but what I did make was more or less free money from doing something for another purpose.

    I also use Hubpages in a similar way.

    Some of my friends in IM will use Squidoo or Hubpages to test the waters, and then, if there's a decent amount of income from those, they'll go ahead and create a new website. If you do affiliate marketing, this is probably a wise approach, since it takes very little time to get a Squidoo or Hub set up, while setting up a full website takes somewhat more time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Moneyland
      Originally Posted by Ninja Web Services View Post

      Tiffany Dow's Squidoo guide is very good!

      There are a lot of ways to use Squidoo. I mainly use it to create backlinks to new sites I've built elsewhere since Squidoo is highly ranked and it helps me get my new site spidered quickly and choose my link anchor text. But the trick to this is to give good content on your Squidoo page that is, though related, different than what you're linking to on your new website. Even better if you have a group of Squidoo pages with articles on a similar topic and use them to deeplink into your new website using your chosen keyphrases as anchor text.
      I have some new review sites 3 months old - how many Squidoo's are benefitial to each page on your site? Does the 1st Squidoo count the most in terms of backlinks to your site or is it simply the more the merrier? I guess you will use the same anchor text each time to each page to target your primary keywords.

      Please could you give me some idea so I can get more motivated with Squidoo.

      Many thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jurrie
    thanks for all the info i'm getting here
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  • Profile picture of the author PhilippaWrites
    I started a squidoo account to make some pages to refer to my other sites, but then I got kind of addicted to it and ended up making dozens of lenses!

    I've pulled myself away from it again now, and it is handy to create extra traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author zonkow
    is it posible to syndicate your content in squido or it accepts only unique content?
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    • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
      Originally Posted by zonkow View Post

      is it posible to syndicate your content in squido or it accepts only unique content?
      Unique only.
      Squidoo : Originality Pact
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      • Profile picture of the author TerryL
        I don't use Squidoo very often, but once in a while, if I'm creating an authority site and want a good, strong back link to it, I'll put up a lens and link to the site. There's nothing scientific here, but it does seem to help the rankings of the main site (the one I own) that I link to, and I do often see extra traffic coming into my main site from Squidoo (using my analytics to see where I'm getting traffic).

        I don't bother with it for smaller sites, but for larger ones, I may make one lens if I'm feeling ambitious, and it seems to help. But Squidoo is an unpredictable beast and will often unpublish your lenses if they're not relevant (like Halloween lenses sometimes get unpublished when it's not the Halloween season) or if they're not getting a lot of traffic. You don't lose the lens, but you have to spruce it up to get it published again. I usually just delete it if this happens. Squidoo is nice, but not an essential IM tool, in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
    Squidoo doesn't like submitters and be careful you cannot use an indexer on sites like this. It's a heartbreak when they take you down. YOU CANNOT leave any more then 9 links on your lense and if your lense looks anything like anyone elses you risk a take down. They are really looking for unique content only and they like niche type content the best in mho. Not IM so much. They want you to be a clever, a motivator of something or a cause keeper. Getting your lense taken down here is easier then anywhere else I have ever seen. I have left there temporarily but may try again. They do give you a "Module" to link lenses together which is nice. Marlon Sanders has a free lense book floating around which tells you how to use squidoo. Marlon's free newsletters are awesome get on his list.
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    • Profile picture of the author kislany
      Originally Posted by Claire Koch View Post

      YOU CANNOT leave any more then 9 links on your lense.
      You cannot leave any more than 9 links GOING TO A SINGLE DOMAIN on your lens. Not 9 links overall. And of course Amazon and lots of other sites are whitelisted from this by default.
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  • Profile picture of the author DoubleOhDave
    Tiffany - still can't find that free guide? Can you please send it to me?
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    • Profile picture of the author DoubleOhDave
      Originally Posted by DoubleOhDave View Post

      Tiffany - still can't find that free guide? Can you please send it to me?
      Can anyone else find the free guide she mentioned on her home page?:confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author Zero
        Originally Posted by DoubleOhDave View Post

        Can anyone else find the free guide she mentioned on her home page?:confused:
        Err. You could send her a PM - instead of posting it here where she may not see it for a long time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan2525
    Originally Posted by Jurrie View Post

    hey folks

    i never put much thought into using squidoo, but after reading a certain post about it , i'd thought i go take a peek and i was kind of surpised ...
    Am i under the wrong impression , but is squidoo like a platform where you create a 1 page website and everyone on squidoo can view it , without you having to build a list of friends first ?

    slap me if my question is a tiny bit on the dumb site, grin

    regards

    Jurrie
    Hey Jurrie,

    Your question was answered but here's a couple more tips.

    - You can your Twitter profile to build up your following

    - You can add you Facebook Fanpage to build your group

    - I build links to the lens to get twice the real estate on Page 1

    Hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    I'm with Alexa on this.

    Squidoo was useful about 4 years ago.

    Now it's a waste of time for most people.
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    nothing to see here.

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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    Sorry it's on my HOME page not my blog. just tiffanydow.com - scroll down to 52 on Squidoo (middle column) and it'll download free for you - no opt in required.
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  • Profile picture of the author isimrikasharma
    The main page of Squidoo has a Google PR of 7. Hence it gives you a good scope of promoting your affiliate links since optimization of the pages is quite easier.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by isimrikasharma View Post

      The main page of Squidoo has a Google PR of 7. Hence it gives you a good scope of promoting your affiliate links since optimization of the pages is quite easier.
      Sorry, but this simply isn't so at all - that's just a myth!

      The page rank of Squidoo's own home page isn't worth much to you. If that were so, backlinks from articles published in article directories with PR6/7 home pages would also provide good link-juice, wouldn't they? The reality, of course, is that they just don't. :p

      Websites don't "have page ranks": pages have page ranks (not that they mean much, these days, anyway).
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  • Profile picture of the author AnneE
    Alexa -- I definitely agree, all things being equal, I'd rather be getting traffic on websites that I own. But my experience has been that all things are not equal, that just a little amount of backlinking to my Squidoo lenses results in good SEO results and enough traffic to make some sales, and the same amount of effort on a small website that I own does not produce much of anything in the way of traffic or sales.

    I did just apply for and get approved as a "Giant Squid" which means most importantly to me, my lenses no longer go through their SPAM filter. No, I don't view that as a license to start throwing garbage up there, but I do view it as making me somewhat less suceptible to sudden changes in TOS. I breathed a big sigh of relief upon receiving the notification.

    I think Squidoo can be a very useful tactic to have in one's Internet Marketing Strategy. It has probably been my most profitable approach overall. Just make sure it's not the only place on the web where you invest your time and energy.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    Some quick, valuable advice from experience:

    1. If you are serious at all about business online, host your content with those who's specialty it is to keep YOU in business...in other words, quality hosting providers. You then control your own pages, content and scripts/tools, etc...

    2. Start with the fundamentals of building traffic by generating content hosting articles and blog content on your own domains with reliable web hosts...having great content is what people want so you will attract traffic and it will be meaningful to your visitors which means they will come back, trust and buy things from you

    3. Once you have your base site and content program in place along with pages that are strongly converting your visitors into customers - look at additional methods to attract traffic and leads. Operating our own affiliate program and actively pursuing/supporting affiliates is still one of the best ways to pull in traffic (if you have your own products), guest blogging can be extremely powerful, posting on relevant forums with a strong call to action in the resource box, etc...

    4. After doing all of this, you can then branch out onto 3rd party platforms and strategically bring traffic in from those platforms - of course here you want to pick the platforms that are most aligned to your market. If you are a musician, then Myspace is still good, business or politics - then Twitter may work for you, etc... These platforms though should be used with the expectation that the TOS will change and that they may disappear tomorrow (in terms of how we use them today). So they are purely ways to bring in additional traffic, build relationshps over and above what your own websites are already setup to do.

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  • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

    Hostgator.

    I'm serious. Getting a page ranked quickly and well, especially in these post-Panda days, it seems, has very little to do with "where it's hosted".

    I must admit I haven't used Squidoo for well over a year, but I've done very well with one-page sites at Weebly, Yola, Blinkweb and several other places in the past.

    I do see that for someone who particularly likes Squidoo's construction and their range of modules and so on, then it is giving them something that they can't get elsewhere. So I was outspoken, above.

    The point about not putting time and effort and energy into a site that you can never own and control yourself, and being subject to all the terms of service problems and limitations is, I feel, an altogether more serious one. Just my perspective.



    You say that as if it's a good thing, Anne? Wouldn't you rather get that traffic at your own site, instead? To me, the conversation reminds me slightly (only slightly!) of all the hundreds of conversations on the board between successful article marketers and unsuccessful article directory marketers who imagine that if they can get traffic via Ezine Articles they must be doing something right! The fallacy (and I'm not saying this is exactly the same one, just that the conversation is inevitably similar) is explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5075780



    Ah. Page-rank. I stopped believing in it when Google did.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5084431

    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ll-matter.html



    Yes ... I used to use it as part of my backlinking strategy. No more. I'm interested in relevant backlinks, not higher-PR backlinks, now, just like Google is. And from what they say, that won't be changing any time soon.

    I can't promise you that you'll necessarily get the same page rank at (for example) Weebly that you'll get at Squidoo. I believe you will, if you do the same things, but I have no evidence to offer and am no longer a Squidoo user, so I can't compare. But I've done very well, using Weebly, and I like them and I think they're very underrated. And they won't give you any of the many problems that Squidoo always will and can and does. I'm "just saying" ...
    Thanks Alexa for the wonderful information and advise again As usual, I've gained a lot from your replies to threads, and believe a lot of people will benefit from it too.

    may God bless you,
    Jeremiah

    Originally Posted by Jurrie View Post

    hey folks

    i never put much thought into using squidoo, but after reading a certain post about it , i'd thought i go take a peek and i was kind of surpised ...
    Am i under the wrong impression , but is squidoo like a platform where you create a 1 page website and everyone on squidoo can view it , without you having to build a list of friends first ?

    slap me if my question is a tiny bit on the dumb site, grin

    regards

    Jurrie
    Thanks for starting up this thread It's been very useful, especially for ppl like me.. just starting out in squidoo..

    may God bless you,
    Jeremiah
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    Count me in as another who thinks Tiff's ebook is great!

    I've done Squidoo myself in the past (I'm a RocketMom) - if that ends up appealing to you long-term, yes indeed you can make money with it.

    Other resources for making profit from it inCLUDE:

    How to Make Money with Squidoo - Building Lenses for Profit!
    How to Make a Living on Squidoo
    How to make money with Squidoo: Help tips for new lens creators

    Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author omy123
    Squidoo is another way of blogging, but what makes it different from rest is its authenticity and waste knowledge share
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  • Profile picture of the author Writer Fox
    Squidoo was hit hard by Google Panda and traffic to that site is still way done.
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    • Profile picture of the author kevinw1
      Originally Posted by Writer Fox View Post

      Squidoo was hit hard by Google Panda and traffic to that site is still way done.
      Incorrect. Squidoo was one of the user-generated-content sites that was NOT hit hard by Panda. Traffic to my Squidoo pages (and the proportion that is passed through to my money sites) has been cheerfully increasing all through Panda.

      On a slightly different topic, the opinion often expressed that one should put content on a site one owns rather than an unowned site like Squidoo is not quite all there is to it. While it is perfectly true that Squidoo can slap your content and remove it from their site in a heartbeat (always back up your lenses), Google can slap sites you own just as thoroughly. When my main money-earning Adsense site suffered a slap in round three of Panda, I was very happy that a good proportion of its traffic came from my lenses on Squidoo. Especially since visitors from Squidoo click far more ads than Google visitors.
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    • Profile picture of the author kislany
      Originally Posted by Writer Fox View Post

      Squidoo was hit hard by Google Panda and traffic to that site is still way done.
      I like it when people parrot what they've heard somewhere else without actually researching whether it's true or not. That's how myths are spread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pawpoint
    Squidoo is Dofollow and a brilliant hub through which to focus a link wheel. Ever since i created the dog clothes and pet accessories Squidoo page, my UK hits have increased dramatically. I think the hint is just to slow down and do it right, if you are after link juice
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  • Profile picture of the author cjshu99
    A few years ago I had a squidoo lense that brought in a third of myincome.
    Now about half get put in the "work in progress" mode and get no traffic.
    I have a few that still get a little traffic and 2 or 3 that make the occasional sale. I also use them for backlinking but I understood them to be nofollow. I still like
    Squidoo but they don't seem to like me as much as they used too.
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  • Profile picture of the author realnetworker
    I have only been on Squidoo for a few months, and have 7 lenses so far. I have to say this: I have seen very little traffic, and have made only a few cents, but my lenses have gotten Pageranks 1 to 3 pretty quickly.

    I also built the lenses for a backlink to my websites, so I was not really counting on them to make me a lot of money. The lenses do show up on Google when a search is done for the topic, along with my hubs on the same topic.

    I still have not decided which is better, Hubpages or Squidoo. It seems to me that my hubs get more traffic and earn more, but do not get Pagerank as quickly as Squidoo lenses. So, each site has its pros and cons...

    I do think that for the time it takes to set up a quality lens/hub, it is worth it - hey what do you have to lose? A bit of your time, that's all - as long as you don't sit around waiting on them to make you rich, you are alright
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by realnetworker View Post

      hey what do you have to lose?
      The site itself, if you set it up there rather than on your own hosting (whether paid-for or free), where you're in control and get to make up the rules and terms of service yourself and avoid all the unnecessary and often unexpected problems that so many Warriors have encountered by using Squidoo/HubPages/Blogspot because they thought they were gaining something there that they couldn't do on their own. Which is why so many experienced Warriors stopped using these sites, even as part of our backlinking strategy, a couple of years ago.

      Since you ask.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...y-website.html
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  • Profile picture of the author katnyc
    I made a lens a little while ago, but I sort of forgot about it. I guess I should check on it now.
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