by Valera
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... Have you ever thought about what would happen if you lost EVERYTHING???

Let's make this a little bit clearer...

What if you lost ALL your sites, most of your money, your E products that you may have out there and so on...

... WHAT WOULD YOU DO ?

This thread is aimed at attracting some serious discussion, and some thought, maybe even motivate a few of you to consider some "insurance policies" for your internet business, how to protect yourself from losing everything and how to RESTART if you have lost everything.

Mind you, if you did lose everything, you still have your EXPERIENCE and restarting shouldn't be as hard as starting out...

What are your thoughts???

How would you feel if you lost your entire online business, would you GIVE UP or would you RESTART and go again? How would you go about restarting... ?
#losing your business #lost #lost everything #restarting
  • Profile picture of the author Eduard Stinga
    I'm a bit confused.. what do you mean by losing my sites and e-products? How can that happen?
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Once you've lost everything, especially IM related, it's easyer to get back on track instead of starting up from the ground, simply cause you know how the stuff works. It does require some motivation boost though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ricky Dawn
      Originally Posted by Eduard Stinga View Post

      I'm a bit confused.. what do you mean by losing my sites and e-products? How can that happen?
      Google could quite easily make you lose your sites!
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      • Profile picture of the author Valera
        Originally Posted by Ricky Dawn View Post

        Google could quite easily make you lose your sites!
        That is also a valid example...
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        • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
          Originally Posted by Ricky Dawn View Post

          Google could quite easily make you lose your sites!
          Originally Posted by Valera View Post

          That is also a valid example...
          ... And a real example too. Happened to my best money sites some years ago. Same day, all of them GONE. Lesson learned? Diversify your income streams.
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    • Profile picture of the author Valera
      Originally Posted by Eduard Stinga View Post

      I'm a bit confused.. what do you mean by losing my sites and e-products? How can that happen?
      I didn't phrase it well, but I meant exactly that, if you lost everything, doesn't matter how it happened for the purpose of the thread, the point is, what if it did and how would you handle it...

      There are things that CAN go wrong online, for example, what if someone has hacked your email accounts and stole all your passwords to everything you own... Or, hacked your dedicated server and wiped all your sites clean, and later your host tells you that there is no backup (Has happened to me a while back). And yes I know I should have done a backup and stored it on my HDD, but sometimes its not easy to do when there are tons of GB of data that takes almost days to download to home PC.

      Things CAN go wrong online, S#%t happens!
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  • Profile picture of the author Eduard Stinga
    Makes sense now.

    If you put it like this, I have to admit that I never thought anything like that could happen. I'm storing all my sites on one account, but from what I know HostGator keeps regular backups.

    However, losing my e-mail account(s) would be a pain in the a$$, as I've got everything there. That's why I try to keep it as updated as possible so I can recover it in case of anything.

    Indeed, starting again would be easier because of the experience I already have and because of the people that I already know, but I have to say my moral would probably be.. waaay down. I guess I would just go on the safe route the 2nd time, making back-ups myself, constantly changing passwords, etc.

    Regarding losing all the money - that's never going to happen to me. I mean, the money that I invest in IM is money that I can afford losing, it's not the money I spend on food and it's always the money that I get out of IM anyway
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    Diversification. I have 3 (possibly 4) strands to my business. Only one of which is online.
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    • Profile picture of the author barbling
      Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

      Diversification. I have 3 (possibly 4) strands to my business. Only one of which is online.
      Now that's really smart.

      I'm totally online, but do run regular backups of everything.

      Exporting one's list to save at home also works grand too....
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  • Profile picture of the author Valera
    I work entirely online as well and this is why I raised this topic...

    If you are entirely online, you SHOULD spend the extra time on security, backups, run regular checks, updates, etc...

    It all takes time to keep on top of it all, but hey, it beats losing your business that's for sure.

    I am aiming at investing some of my online income in some solid assets that I can touch in very near future, instead of constantly reinvesting in online stuff...

    As the old folks used to tell me, never put your eggs in one basket!
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    • Profile picture of the author jeffreys
      I can't get your picture. How can you lost everything? Have you lost everything?
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  • Profile picture of the author Gerard Mohamed
    From a Gmail point of view, they do have the facility for it to be used offline so that your mail sits on your own computer. Everytime you connect, it synchronizes and you download all the new material. Works with Google Chrome only.
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  • Profile picture of the author lamatic
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    • Profile picture of the author thedog
      This has been in the back of my mind for a while... I remember reading about thread about people having their affiliate commissions stolen...

      Also, people waking up to a google adsense ban... having had the majority of their earning through adsense.

      Or just having your site hacked... stolen...

      Can anyone recommend a good wp backup plugin that works, free if possible?

      Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I back up my sites, so I would just install them again, on a different domain if need be. I could always work from the library WiFi if I had to, so Internet connection is not really a problem. I don't think anyone actually loses everything all at once ... sites, domains, house, Internet, computers, money, etc. If they do, they'd best be getting a job or working from a free spot to get some cash going and start over.
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  • Profile picture of the author SenTosch
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    1 sound piece of advice I have received in the past was.. DO NOT put all your eggs in 1 basket. Always diversify your income when working online. For example, dont just make adsense ready sites.. what happens if adsenses shuts you down.. have various streams of income!
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  • Profile picture of the author phil.wheatley
    I would probably set fire to my house, and then sit naked, cross legged on the living room floor until the place burnt down around me....is that what you mean?? lol

    ....or possibly do some article marketing lol
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    • Profile picture of the author subten101
      Would not really affect me much being a newbie but I have though about it before if the internet got cancelled what would we do and how would we be able to make money online.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by subten101 View Post

        Would not really affect me much being a newbie but I have though about it before if the internet got cancelled what would we do and how would we be able to make money online.
        The same way that millions of people both now and before Internet access because common did. Work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Ong CW
    Well, learn from it. Grow and be smarter but never give up just because you lose everything. The harder you fall, the higher you bounce back. Remember that always.
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  • If I lose everything, I just hope my business plan is strong enough for repeated succes but then in different niches I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author aymen99
    i just start everything again from skratch , the good thing now is i know how to do things , if you know how to do things then doesn't matter ! unless you don't lose your head of course
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  • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
    I might lost everything for whatever reason but I will re-create and build it up again in less than 6 months. .

    may God bless you,
    Jeremiah
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  • Profile picture of the author Roan
    I did lose my files on my computer once. stuff i bought online, things i created etc. Now that seriously sucks! Not only that but I also lost pictures. Sometimes you forget how valuable things can be for you that you have online or on your computer. I'd say back up everything. That's how you are the safest. If you did not back up everything then as said before you will always have the knowledge on your harddrive called brain
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  • Profile picture of the author Awesomo
    Originally Posted by Valera View Post

    ... even motivate a few of you to consider some "insurance policies" for your internet business
    Hmm... I wonder if starting an insurance package for online business will work...

    Anyway to answer your question, I will first cry (for a while only!), then I will pick myself up and just start over again.

    Not a problem, my brain and my list are my most value assets.
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  • Profile picture of the author rohitreddy
    Even I lost big time in IM.But I have started again and doing well now.Natural advice is to restart again and in IM,there wont be anything to do from scratch.So,learn the better ways to do the best this time.If it is very bad situation,it is upto you to restart or not..
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  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
    1. Take backup of your backup...and backup of that backup!
    2. All eggs same basket..Ahem Ahem! No!
    3. None of #1 and #2? Move on, learn your lesson and do it again from scratch!
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  • Profile picture of the author littledan
    I do understand where you are coming from with this. I have lost everything before and started agai from scratch, twice actually.

    Although my first business was not internet based I still had nothing left when it all went belly up.

    The second time I lost about 90% of everything when the dirt hit the fan in 2008 with the financial crisis.

    I suppose both times I just felt very depressed and sorry for myself for quite a few months, then started the next phase of my life and rebuilt again, taking my new knowledge with me on my next venture.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsbusiness23
    Well I guess you would be in a ton of trouble. That is if you spent all your earnings. I always keep a good percentage saved away for emergencies. Just like I did with my regular jobs before I started working online. It's just smart to prepare for situations like this.

    I see it as the equivalent of being told a hurricane is coming and not boarding up your windows, taking a small amount of what you own and leaving. Always have a back up plan. However truthfully if you have been doing well online even if you lost everything (unless you lost your mind and experience) you would easily be able to build your business back up quickly since you already know what you are doing!

    Just my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author toxicchili
    Losing everything? Hmmm how far do you want to go with regards to this?

    Basically in 2010, I seperated from my wife, initially I had the kids, but after a battle she got them back.

    After leaving she basically financially destroyed me, not only did I end up with no money, I also ended up with no where to live. So, I bought a tent with what little money I had (costing me $15) and was given a sleeping bag. I then made use of the free internet in the library which allowed me 2 hours per day. I had no hosting and all my sites were offline, had no access to my backups.

    Initally I used those two hours a day to try and get some money in my paypal by selling what domains I had left. Also someone gave me some free hosting for two domains which I used to get a portfolio back online.

    I had a broken laptop, which I managed to repair myself once I had saved enough money for the parts. This then meant that I could use the library wifi, giving me unlimited internet access all day (or at least while it was open).

    Slowly but surely I managed to build my sites back up and once I had done this I managed to get a job based on these and my past experience.

    This is where I am now - working full time as a graphic/web design and have managed to get about 20-30 websites back online. Still got a long way to go, but from being homeless with barely enough money to feed myself. I now have a Job, somewhere to live and I am get back on track. Still got a long way to go.

    People have different ideas of losing everything, although I pretty much did, apart from my physical health.
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    • Profile picture of the author JS Salinger
      As far as losing everything, in 2009 my laptop was stolen and I felt like I lost my entire life.

      I wasn't smart and had no backups...didn't own a USB...and was just under the "impression" that nothing like that could or would ever happen to me.

      Suddenly, I had no passwords, no log-in id's, no URL's to refer back to...I completely relied on my computer to remember everything for me...never writing anything down.

      It was a nightmare and game changer because I learned some valuable lessons such as

      -Always prepare backups
      -Keep a current log of your passwords and id's
      -Keep a list of sites I frequent regularly
      -Keep a hard copy of important information

      You can't rely on your memory. It will fail you every time.

      Now, I have one email address that I always CC files to so that no matter what, I have a copy of what I have sent out.

      Once a week I print out a list of log id's, passwords, sites I visit and anything else.

      I back up my files daily.

      I have 3 USB's of important files and information that I update daily.
      One is for client and customer information. One is for things I've purchased like WSO's, software, etc. The other is for personal things.
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  • Profile picture of the author Royce Space
    That's why you need to build a list. It's a long term asset! If you lost your sites, who cares? You can still market your offer with your list.

    Spend your time building a relationship with your list!

    Sell the customers what they want, but give them what they NEED.

    All the best,

    Royce
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  • Profile picture of the author samdar
    First of all there is nothing of such magnitude can happen for a clever marketer. Come on folks, are we all that nuts to put all our eggs in one basket? Or some crazy little Google algorithm to wipe out our entire life?

    But I can understand where the OPs' point is. It happened exactly to me in my life. Read my first post in WF detailing out my experience in life on how I lost everything and re-born with vigor in the below thread:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-again-im.html

    I was so dependent on Google and Adsense for my entire online business portfolio. I had my entire online income coming from Adsense and it was such a big mistake and before it ruined me, i didnt even realize the reality. When Google shut down my Adsense account,
    • I thought this is the end of my internet marketing career.
    • I thought that's it. All my 4 years of work went into pain.
    • I even thought of quiting internet marketing.
    • But I still loved what I did. Hence re-born with vigor

    Now, I have multiple streams of income and I doubt if Google alone can destroy my online business.

    Hence your thread is applicable only for beginners who are dependent on one form of traffic or one form of income. If you are a clever marketer, you would worry about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author toxicchili
      Originally Posted by samdar View Post

      Hence your thread is applicable only for beginners who are dependent on one form of traffic or one form of income. If you are a clever marketer, you would worry about it.
      Life is unpredictable, there are a lot of things that could happen meaning you effectively have to start again regardless of if you are a beginner or experienced. Of course if you know what you are doing it is much easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Start over? I do that everyday.

    Seriously.. I start over everyday by backing up my servers to different servers in different data centers. Why? Some years ago ThePlanet.com (Data Center) had a fire on the floor that hosted most of my servers. All power to the floor had to be shut down. All servers had to be moved to a different floor. It took three full days before my servers were moved to a different floor and back online.

    Many a Warrior at the time lost almost every website they owned because even though the hosts did in fact keep backups - the servers where the backups were kept were on the same floor when the power was shut down. End result was scrambled data that could not be recovered on the hosted servers and the backup servers. It was a big fiasco at the time.

    Since then I "mirror" my servers between two geographical locations. Only once have I had to "reimage" a server.

    Backups can be corrupted. There were a lot of business owners that felt confident that their backups would restore their sites if the need ever arose. Most folks kept their own backups on their own servers. Well, when the server itself becomes corrupted those backups can be useless in most cases. Some folks kept backups on their personal computers. For the majority that worked fine, but in those days most folks only backed up domains once a week on average and almost everyone had cPanel backups. That was okay since they only lost less than a weeks worth of data.

    Now-a-days I suggest to my associates, if anyone really wants to protect their websites (online business) create both; backups and mirror images, never trust everything to a sole data center, and pass the chicken please

    Jeffery 100% :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    In 05 I was diagnosed with a major illness and had to spend 06 getting well. I wasn't able to even sit up in a chair for the better part of that year. Once I could, I almost literally had to start over. Almost all of the momentum I'd built in the previous 7 years was gone. So it goes...
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  • Profile picture of the author georgedinmore
    I lost my aweber account.

    In fact only yesterday. All my subs gone.

    What will i learn from then. Backup everything, leave nothing to chance.
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  • Profile picture of the author housewarrior
    Hello Valera,

    I'm just a touch suspicious of your motivation for the question here, and normally I'm the most gullible guy in town. Seriously.

    Is this just an idle time question? Something for a class project? Research for a new product? Intro to a product?

    Normally I wouldn't even think to ask...but this is the Warrior Forum, after all, with some of the brightest minds around...

    Regardless, it's a darn good question.

    Recently Google de-indexed my flagship site. It was like a kick in the guts or being fired from a job I knew I couldn't lose. It was AWFUL! I think I did take to my bed for a few hours.

    But then I got back up, fixed what I thought needed fixing and got the darn thing back online. (I still look each morning to see if it's still there.)

    If I lost all of my sites I can honestly tell you that I would mope around awhile, and then start over. So many of the early works are crap anyway by today's modern Panda standards.

    I'd start over, knowing so much more now than then, building an empire to that would most likely outlast me, or at least until the next new Google Animal update happens and they change their minds again about what makes a good website.

    I'm 56 and the greeter job at Walmart has already been filled. Where else have I got to go?

    PS... I have hedged my bets a bit by moving over into the thing I REALLY like and that's teaching others how to get into Internet Marketing the RIGHT way. Google can't take that away from me.

    Norm
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  • Profile picture of the author maximus242
    Originally Posted by Valera View Post

    ... Have you ever thought about what would happen if you lost EVERYTHING???

    Let's make this a little bit clearer...

    What if you lost ALL your sites, most of your money, your E products that you may have out there and so on...

    ... WHAT WOULD YOU DO ?

    This thread is aimed at attracting some serious discussion, and some thought, maybe even motivate a few of you to consider some "insurance policies" for your internet business, how to protect yourself from losing everything and how to RESTART if you have lost everything.

    Mind you, if you did lose everything, you still have your EXPERIENCE and restarting shouldn't be as hard as starting out...

    What are your thoughts???

    How would you feel if you lost your entire online business, would you GIVE UP or would you RESTART and go again? How would you go about restarting... ?
    If I had to restart from scratch it would hardly affect me, id just build it again
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