Do not rely on "Privacy Protection" on a Domain Name

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One of the questions I'm most frequently asked is in regards to Privacy Protection when registering domain names. Many people are surprised at how ineffective 'privacy protection' really is.

It's like making your phone number 'unlisted'. People looking through phone directories may not find you, but there are so many other ways to get the same information.

Privacy protection on a domain name is like locking the front door of your house. It will keep innocent people out, but will be useless protection from anyone who really wants to gain entry.

Likewise, there are MANY ways to learn the details of domain ownership. I'll list just a few basic ways here, but realize there are many other tools available to get the information you need.


Here are a few simpler ways to determine domain ownership:

-- Every whois record has a proxy email address in it. Even though it is not the domain owner's actual email address, anyone can use this proxy email address to send the owner a message. You can use this to ask a question the owner would be eager to answer, like, "Where can I buy your [product]?". When they answer, chances are the email you receive will reveal their real contact email address. You can then search Google for this email address (in quotes) to see other websites they may own.

-- You can contact their webhost, and complain about something on the website (if appropriate). It's easy to learn who owns it this way.

-- If they sell something from the website, you can purchase from them and you'll have their PayPal email address or other merchant info.

-- You can look up an older version of the website by using Archive.org or
Whois History: Historical Whois Lookup | DomainTools, and see the previous whois information (before the privacy was applied).

-- Do a reverse WHOIS search (Reverse Whois Lookup | Domain Ownership Search | DomainTools).

-- Do a reverse IP Lookup to see other domains that are hosted on that server. This can reveal other websites owned by the same person, which may not be privacy protected (Reverse IP Lookup | All Names Hosted at an IP | DomainTools).

-- Based on their domain name or any other info you may have discovered, see if they have a presence on Twitter or Facebook. "Like" them or try to "Friend" them. Message them with a question or two. Each little bit of info you discover can help with the bigger picture.

-- In serious cases, you may be able to leverage the Freedom Of Information Act to force information.

There are many other ways, but the point is, a little creativity can get you the information you need. Any little bit of information you discover, whether it be name, email address, other websites, nameservers, phone numbers, addresses, can be searched in Google using "quotes" to lead you to further information.

Should you use Privacy Protection? Yes, if you just want to avoid contact with casual passers-by. No, if you think it will prevent someone from getting your information if they really want it. No, if you're trying to instill confidence in your website visitors.

Gene
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    TL;DR version:

    Originally Posted by Gene Pimentel View Post

    Should you use Privacy Protection? ... No, if you're trying to instill confidence in your website visitors.
    There are a lot of people out there who say "I use privacy protection because there are a lot of creeps on the internet."

    Creeps are not going to stop at WHOIS. Just like locks only keep the honest people out, domain privacy only protects you from people who respect privacy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Domainate
    I agree - generally I see it more used as hiding in cases where the website on the domain is doing bad stuff. Even if that wouldn't be my intention, I wouldn't want a private registration to possibly loop me in with those kinds of people/sites.

    If you're legitimately doing business on the domain, stay open. If you are afraid of having certain information on there, get a business phone number forwarded to you and a PO Box. Spammers can still spam you at a private registration email, but it will likely stop any legitimate contact through your whois, which could mean lost business.
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    • Profile picture of the author HonestJ
      Hi,

      Privacy Protection is just a money-making add-on the domain companies like to charge.

      It's a fact that Google looks at this as hiding and connect it with being suspicious.

      I would stay away from it.

      Cheers!
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by HonestJ View Post

        It's a fact that Google looks at this as hiding and connect it with being suspicious.
        I don't believe that's a "fact" at all.

        But I'll be the first to apologize, and to thank you for teaching me something, if you can kindly provide a reference to something on a Google blog, a Matt Cutts video, or whatever, to justify your assertion. It's a very remarkable assertion to make, and I think it's not unreasonable, in the circumstances, to ask for some sort of citation/link, to verify it, please?
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        • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          I don't believe that's a "fact" at all.

          But I'll be the first to apologize, and to thank you for teaching me something, if you can kindly provide a reference to something on a Google blog, a Matt Cutts video, or whatever, to justify your assertion. It's a very remarkable assertion to make, and I think it's not unreasonable, in the circumstances, to ask for some sort of citation/link, to verify it, please?
          I think I get his idea: good business don't hide their name. At least it makes sense to me, but to say Google takes it as suspicious... thats quite a conspiracy.

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  • Profile picture of the author lukedidit
    It's a fact that Google looks at this as hiding and connect it with being suspicious.
    citation please?
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    -- You can contact their webhost, and complain about something on the website (if appropriate). It's easy to learn who owns it this way.
    This one isnt that easy. Most hosts will tell you to get a court order. I had someone acuse me of hacking and my host wouldnt even tell me the person who complained so I could track down the issue.

    Hosts, in the US, do not violate privacy policies. Doing so puts THEM in potential problems.

    Your other methods are hit or miss. They may provide some data, may not though. A person who really wants to hide can easily hide from Junior GMen.

    But your point is great. Dont sit back and think you are safe because of the privacy settings.

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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

    This one isnt that easy. Most hosts will tell you to get a court order. I had someone acuse me of hacking and my host wouldnt even tell me the person who complained so I could track down the issue. Hosts, in the US, do not violate privacy policies. Doing so puts THEM in potential problems.
    I agree to an extent, but I was trying to avoid writing at length. While most webhosts will not breach privacy purposely, it's often not difficult to create a situation where they cause the website owner to contact you as a result of the issue, and there are other creative ways to get a webhost to connect you.

    Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

    Your other methods are hit or miss. They may provide some data, may not though. A person who really wants to hide can easily hide from Junior GMen.
    Agreed. However, I have always been able to obtain ownership information on a 'privacy protected' domain by piecing together bits of information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    I forgot to mention in my original post - you can sometimes get the site owner's real email address by going to their contact form (if they have one) and looking at the source code. Search the text for the @ symbol. In some cases the email address is embedded in the html code of the contact page.
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