IM Product Reviews SUCK - What would make an EPIC value added review?

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I love IM products, software, books, training... Im addicted to knowledge and spend a lot of money staying on top of things. $7 books have sparked $1000+ ideas often.


Product Descriptions & 'Reviews' in this market SUCK lately, a lot of fluff and BS


Lots of us want to buy education and tools to expand our businesses.

My question is:

What would a truly comprehensive IM product or service review consist of? What would it contain to build the credibility and respect as the BEST, most precise, honest and VALUE ADDING review on the web?

What would you like to see from a review, description or overview before purchasing?
  • Purchasing the product (proof)
  • First impressions
  • Upsells, Upgrades, Hidden?
  • What's inside?
  • Who is this for, Who Is this not for?
  • Pros & Cons
  • Summary
  • A rating metric? (Individual comprehension and application of the knowledge would make this hard)
  • Comparative Products (how does is stack up and compete to alternatives?)
  • Complimentary Products (any obvious other products that might complement this?)
  • Full Case Study until revenue (Actually use the product at least once in the recommended way and demonstrate results)
  • Action Plans, guidance, motivation/inspiration to actually use the product?
list anything and everything you can think of that would be relevant to a product review / description... Obviously structuring and presenting that info is a completely seperate and important part of the process as well
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  • Profile picture of the author steven Clayden
    Are primarily looking at targeting noobs?
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    • Profile picture of the author IMnotBS
      Originally Posted by steven Clayden View Post

      Are primarily looking at targeting noobs?
      I believe that a noob, amateur, veteran and guru alike could appreciate and tell the difference between a high quality and low quality review.

      My question is regardless of experience level, what would you like to learn from its description or independant review of the product, to make a more comfortable and informed buying decision? Not one based on curiousity or promises.

      What information could be included to make a single review, appear to be the most comprehensive, honest, transparent and valuable of its kind?
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      • Profile picture of the author tjcreation
        I would LOVE to know what a product really is - half the time you can't tell from any of the sales pages. If someone would just say "This is what it is, this is what it does and this is what you need to make it work (upsell or not).

        I've seen some reviews here on WF that are like that. They are people that have actually purchased the product, worked with it and then they go over what they have done, what the liked, what worked, what didn't etc.

        That would be the best thing to help me make a decision as to whether I want to spend my money or not.
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        • Profile picture of the author IMnotBS
          Originally Posted by tjcreation View Post

          I've seen some reviews here on WF that are like that. They are people that have actually purchased the product, worked with it and then they go over what they have done, what the liked, what worked, what didn't etc.

          That would be the best thing to help me make a decision as to whether I want to spend my money or not.

          Sharing of personal experience is important and builds a unique and relatable angle / credibility for sure.

          - What worked for me from the product.
          - What didnt work so well for me from the product.

          Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    Asking detailed questions gets you the answers. The person selling the product is using copy so its understandable when I see mysterious style copy. I agree sometimes the reviews can be a bit vague.
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    • Profile picture of the author IMnotBS
      Originally Posted by jamesrich1 View Post

      Asking detailed questions gets you the answers. The person selling the product is using copy so its understandable when I see mysterious style copy. I agree sometimes the reviews can be a bit vague.
      Very good point, you won't be able to address everything reasonably.

      - Allow and encourage detailed questions from your audience, respond.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    In order to be a real deal review site, you'd have to have some bad reviews.

    That doesn't happen with IM products, the old boys club would shun you and unless you don't care about being attacked non stop, it woudl be hard for anyone to do it that way.
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    • Profile picture of the author IMnotBS
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      In order to be a real deal review site, you'd have to have some bad reviews.

      That doesn't happen with IM products, the old boys club would shun you and unless you don't care about being attacked non stop, it woudl be hard for anyone to do it that way.
      Absolutely you would have to have some negative reviews... More than that I believe you would have to be explicitly clear with whom the product is for and not for. Whom it is a positive and negative offer for.

      It would take a very overpriced or underdelivered product for it to not hold any value to any person. Transparency in saying don`t buy this product unless you actually fit this rare Z+Y+X criteria is a great oppurtunity to build trust and good will, when a product that matches a wider audience comes along you will benefit.

      - Who is this product for
      - Who is this product NOT for

      (Be real. Believe in the long term effects of good will and branding in business over short term greed and capturing quick sales)
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  • Profile picture of the author Britt Malka
    Originally Posted by IMnotBS View Post

    What would a truly comprehensive IM product or service review consist of? What would it contain to build the credibility and respect as the BEST, most precise, honest and VALUE ADDING review on the web?
    A good product.

    Originally Posted by IMnotBS View Post

    What would you like to see from a review, description or overview before purchasing?
    Results!

    First, all you mentioned, of course. Well, I don't need to see proof of you buying it. I don't care, in fact, if you bought it or got it as a review copy. As long as the product is good, and you can tell about the results you got.

    Also a walk-through the product - the good, the bad and the ugly. Tell us, what it contains.

    And then come back later to tell us if you've obtained any results.

    I see too many reviews (especially in a three letter area of a certain forum) that says: Great product. It looks promising.

    And nothing weeks after. Did they make the promised money after 48 hours? Or was it just theoretical junk they bought? (Notice, if you get a refund, you cannot review a product, so obviously you'll only see happy customers in certain three letter areas of certain forums).

    Anyway, that's what I would love to see in a review.
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    • Profile picture of the author IMnotBS
      Originally Posted by Britt Malka View Post

      And then come back later to tell us if you've obtained any results.
      I absolutely agree here. In my quick original post I added a -case study, that is actually documenting the application of the product based on what it teaches, sharing any outside touches that most might not use, and then reporting on the results versus effort.

      Some of the best reviews I have seen werent actually reviews, but journals of actually using a product, they told the most important part of the story
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Huynh
    The credibility, and experience of the reviewer is a strong factor for me when looking at a review.

    If I've purchased a product from the reviewer and it lives up to what was claimed in the review, that leaves a strong impression on me.

    A review should contain information about the product that I cannot find on the sales letter or sales pitch. If it's a software product, I'd like to see the reviewer actually using the software and how they use it.

    I just saw a review in which the reviewer actually used the software to make money and he documented his results. I see these types of video reviews often from this marketer and to me, he is a person I always pay more attention to when looking at product reviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by IMnotBS View Post

    I love IM products, software, books, training... Im addicted to knowledge and spend a lot of money staying on top of things. $7 books have sparked $1000+ ideas often.


    Product Descriptions & 'Reviews' in this market SUCK lately, a lot of fluff and BS


    Lots of us want to buy education and tools to expand our businesses.

    My question is:

    What would a truly comprehensive IM product or service review consist of? What would it contain to build the credibility and respect as the BEST, most precise, honest and VALUE ADDING review on the web?

    What would you like to see from a review, description or overview before purchasing?
    • Purchasing the product (proof)
    • First impressions
    • Upsells, Upgrades, Hidden?
    • What's inside?
    • Who is this for, Who Is this not for?
    • Pros & Cons
    • Summary
    • A rating metric? (Individual comprehension and application of the knowledge would make this hard)
    • Comparative Products (how does is stack up and compete to alternatives?)
    • Complimentary Products (any obvious other products that might complement this?)
    • Full Case Study until revenue (Actually use the product at least once in the recommended way and demonstrate results)
    • Action Plans, guidance, motivation/inspiration to actually use the product?
    list anything and everything you can think of that would be relevant to a product review / description... Obviously structuring and presenting that info is a completely seperate and important part of the process as well
    You could easily do some research and find out the answer to your question -- at least in a general sense. All you need to do is answer common questions that people have about products in your niche and present it in such a way that it makes sense and is easy to digest. I should also mention that it's gonna be difficult for you to write a quality review if you haven't actually gone through a quality program and had success with it because you won't know what things to look for.

    Good luck,
    Joey
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesnewton
    I have to agree with the sentiment of this original post. I don't think any review of a movie based upon trailers is relevant. Sure, you can comment on the trailer but the rest of the movie might suck. Online product reviews should be done after a test not before. How would we like to read Amazon product reviews about a new appliance that talks about how nice the paint and knobs are? I want to know if it can toast my waffles too!
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  • Profile picture of the author StevenJones
    Being absolutely honest in a review is key! And per my definition that is a quality review. Such a review also depends on the quality of the product, the better your product is, the more you (over)deliver, the better the review.
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    • Profile picture of the author IMnotBS
      Originally Posted by StevenJones View Post

      Being absolutely honest in a review is key! And per my definition that is a quality review. Such a review also depends on the quality of the product, the better your product is, the more you (over)deliver, the better the review.
      Agreed, not being afraid to talk critically and openly about its faults is a key compenent to making it an actual 'review' and not just a different type of sales pitch.

      And thats where IM reviews fail, they are written by IMers to IMers to push a sale, not build a relationship.

      Every IP product should in theory hold some kind of value for some specific kind of person. If you can be transparent, critical and honest enough and not worry about the affiliate link that you want to insert at the bottom of your review, you have an oppurtunity to conclude with:

      This product is this, This product is for XYZ marketers. This is what XYZ marketers should do next.

      XY marketers should check out this alternative and YZ marketers should check out this alternative.
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by Britt Malka View Post


      And then come back later to tell us if you've obtained any results.

      I see too many reviews (especially in a three letter area of a certain forum) that says: Great product. It looks promising.

      And nothing weeks after. Did they make the promised money after 48 hours? Or was it just theoretical junk they bought? (Notice, if you get a refund, you cannot review a product, so obviously you'll only see happy customers in certain three letter areas of certain forums).

      Anyway, that's what I would love to see in a review.
      Totally agree Brit, it's very rare that buyers actually return to give their results with a product.
      Could be:
      1. They have not used/implemented
      2. They started and gave-up
      3. Product was so good they want to minimize the comp
      Who knows?

      Originally Posted by StevenJones View Post

      Being absolutely honest in a review is key! And per my definition that is a quality review. Such a review also depends on the quality of the product, the better your product is, the more you (over)deliver, the better the review.
      Honesty very important.
      Unfortunately it always seems like most reviewers give good reviews because they are somehow associated with the product/owner, they stand to gain financially.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
    Obviously, the closest you'll get to a "review" is something like this.

    -New product available (most likely rehashed)
    -If you're not serious about your business, it's not for you (who admits they aren't serious, so this clearly is for everyone).
    -I know Joe Schmoe and they know their stuff (I haven't actually looked at the product)
    -Get it now while you can (It's actually still going to be available in a week by emailing the product owner).

    I think a "quality" review wouldn't even need to implement the suggestions. They would simply need to give initial impressions from a seasoned marketers point of review.

    -Sales process.
    -Total cost.
    -Did seller deliver as promised.
    -Summary of product, including chapters and all that.
    -Which classification (PPC, Newbie, SEO)
    -Does it "Unseat" your MAIN recommendation for that category.
    -If no, then is it a good ancillary product...under what circumstances? e.g. Don't waste your time or Only if you have some money and some extra time, not necessary though.
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  • Profile picture of the author officer_iron
    It's easy to say what I'd WANT to see in a review, it's just not all possible. Being a WSO creator and purchaser, I have two points of perspective. As a purchaser, I'd LOVE to know exactly what the product is, what the steps are, what method it's teaching. I'd also LOVE to see actual results from a user other than the creator.

    However, as a WSO creator, I have different perspectives on these. I'm not really trying to hide what my product is, but I don't want a reviewer to flat out give away everything the course is about. When a review goes into too much detail, it can give away some of the secrets and methods that are the selling points of the WSO.

    Also, it's pretty difficult (unless you are a highly recognized WSO creator with experienced affiliates promoting your product) to get a customer to follow through with the entire course, document it, and then come back to the thread and share their results. The unfortunate fact is that the vast majority of people that purchase your WSO, won't take complete action with it.
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