Finally Outsourcing my SEO

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Ive been building niche sites for about 2 years now and making enough to scrape by on. Working longer hours and making less than most of my friends in a 9 - 5.

After a another new site ranking and some conversion changes which shot my daily income right up (and im sitting on around 2 months of income to cover any unexpected changes). I'm finally at a level I feel comfortable outsourcing my SEO.

It's eating it's way into my profits of course so I'm back on beans on toast for a while but in the long run I'm hoping this will be the 'critical mass' point where things will get a lot easier.

There's some things in IM I think I'm good at. And writing content endlessly is not one of them. I've struggled on and done hours and hours a day writing content for the sites and the backlinks.

Now I'm looking at roughly 100 500 word articles a week from my outsourcers and some of that is going on sites others being manually spun etc... Basically it's a lot of extra content coming in which leaves me free to do the pieces that are endlessly on the 'to do' list as well as my own content on top of that.

I can rank sites faster, handle more sites at once and still get more done than I could before. I've already a bunch of new sites based on my current working model so I'm thinking a few months tops before they're already paying for themselves and my earnings are even higher.

I've been to webinars and done my reading, I think I know what I'm doing developing a relationship with them, establishing expectations on both ends and putting together some basic training packages so they know what to do.

After 2 years of scraping by I'm... Well scraping by again. But this time I'm getting a lot more done and looking forward to 2012.

Very excited, just though I'd share.
#finally #outsourcing #seo
  • Profile picture of the author SuppaDave21
    Great, anytime your making enough money to outsource I feel you will see your profits double (as long as you are not misusing them) Just double up on whatever you have been doing before and then continue to grow from there...

    Best of luck to you!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jon Patrick
      I'd be interested to know what you do to rank a new site? It sounds like you've had some success there.
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  • Profile picture of the author luckyshah290
    Outsourcing your SEO is probably a good idea .. (if you know what you are doing)
    But its good to speed up the seo process ..


    I would wish you best of luck ....
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  • Profile picture of the author ErikNilsson
    Add new content .... follow some regular SEO stuff... You can Gain more....
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    That's great. Hopefully it will pay rich dividends so that you can continue doing this for all your sites with the profits it brings you. Outsourcing is awesome, as long as you find a competent and reliable person to do your work for you. I hope you receive your articles on time.
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  • Profile picture of the author redstanford
    i'm the opposite of you.

    i began outsourcing seo work before i was really making any profits at all. racked up some lovely credit card balances but now i'm making $600+ per month from one site so it can only go up from here.

    note: if you try this method, have fun haha
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Banks
    I cannot oursource my seo due to quality issues in the pask with freelancer
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    • Profile picture of the author redstanford
      Originally Posted by Matt Banks View Post

      I cannot oursource my seo due to quality issues in the pask with freelancer
      so why not throw up an thread request in the "looking to hire" section of WF.

      you'll get some good help
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    • Profile picture of the author MonopolyMan
      Originally Posted by Matt Banks View Post

      I cannot oursource my seo due to quality issues in the pask with freelancer
      I started by outsourcing articles on their own but usually they're just slinging anything to make the sale and get away from you over there. Half the stuff I was getting from freelancer/iWriter was so obviously spun. Sure it passes Copyscape but I'm not going to be parading it around my money site anytime soon.

      Now I'm hiring full time, offering training and being clear about expectations from the start.
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    • Profile picture of the author MattSanti
      Originally Posted by Matt Banks View Post

      I cannot oursource my seo due to quality issues in the pask with freelancer
      Every outsourcer is going to be different. If you expect to pay a $1 an hour then you'll get that level of service typically.

      Also how much time are you investing in their training and follow up? How well do you manage the people? The people part isn't something that is a set and forget kind of thing.
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      • Profile picture of the author lifeisfun
        Originally Posted by MattSanti View Post

        Every outsourcer is going to be different. If you expect to pay a $1 an hour then you'll get that level of service typically.

        Also how much time are you investing in their training and follow up? How well do you manage the people? The people part isn't something that is a set and forget kind of thing.
        Back when I was on a severe budget, I outsourced this dude for 75cents/hour on odesk to convert some text document into nice formatted files.

        That kid hit a home run out of the park; not only did he do an excellent job, but he also did it so fast it blew me away. Had to give the guy a bonus just because he was that good. I guess I got lucky, but sometimes those on odesk are trying to build a reputation and might be a good idea to start them with max 2 hours and see how they do.

        Oh yea, kid started charging more, but then he wouldn't do his tasks....go figure.
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    • Profile picture of the author minion
      Originally Posted by Matt Banks View Post

      I cannot oursource my seo due to quality issues in the pask with freelancer
      I'd suggest trying again, but be more specific and clear in your instructions - and offer a fair budget. And make sure you weed out the obvious "I can do it" spam responses (I remember a lot of them used bots to auto-apply - not sure if thats the case anymore though) - there are some really good freelancers around.

      Out of all of the freelancing sites I've used, oDesk is by far the best.

      Alternatively, as redstanford said, there are plenty of people on this forum that'll be more than happy to write high quality articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author vermadenish
      Mr. Matt
      All Freelancers are not same.

      Well, its totally depends on requirement and situation. because google mostly updates so quick with in 6months, thats why some seo work can be effective.
      Because google needs always new things - fresh and unique.

      Cheers !
      Originally Posted by Matt Banks View Post

      I cannot oursource my seo due to quality issues in the pask with freelancer
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    • Profile picture of the author Torreylee
      Originally Posted by Matt Banks View Post

      I cannot oursource my seo due to quality issues in the pask with freelancer
      There are PLENTY of other sources beside freelancer bud...

      Competent outsourcing combined with the knowledge of what saves you the most time and makes the most money is key. The right outsourcing tactics bring great ROI. And thats what its all about!
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  • Profile picture of the author benlydenver
    Great stuff. Outsourcing really help me a lot. I can sit back watch tv, do things I want. But I also check the my SEO stuff If they really doing good to my site.
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  • Profile picture of the author JaneChan
    Good to hear that MonopolyMan. Outsourcing is good and very helpful if the person you are going to outsource your work with have a good performance or you are satisfied to his/her work. Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jashandeepmax
    Outsourcing and SEO is related to each other.Where there is online market Outsource born .Anyways great and all the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author noriodesousa
    I've had GREAT success with iWriter.com but I think that's because a) I pay $8-$10 per article and b) I only hire the best writers with top ratings.

    I believe it's worth it as I stick these articles on my blog, in my autoresponder and on Facebook, so it keeps the original content flowing while I focus on the business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by noriodesousa View Post

      I've had GREAT success with iWriter.com but I think that's because a) I pay $8-$10 per article and b) I only hire the best writers with top ratings.

      I believe it's worth it as I stick these articles on my blog, in my autoresponder and on Facebook, so it keeps the original content flowing while I focus on the business.
      Exactly, the way I would suggest using iWriter.com is to either:

      1. Pay higher dollar on iWriter for more quality writers.
      2. Pay low dollar and submit a LARGE project to where you'll have 10-50 writers write for you. Then pick the good writers from that batch and add them to your "favorites list". You can then submit future projects ONLY to the writers on your "favorites list".

      Nowhere else can you actually hand pick and build your own team of writers based on your own personal likes and dislikes.

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      • Profile picture of the author noriodesousa
        Originally Posted by Brad Callen View Post

        Nowhere else can you actually hand pick and build your own team of writers based on your own personal likes and dislikes
        Glad to see you replying here, Brad I'm a big fan of SEOLinkVine.com and iWriter.com. Once you understand how to use these (focus on QUALITY), they really do bring results. I'm on page #1 for a VERY competitive keyword and, previously, I was literally nowhere!

        But the point of my reply was actually to say that if you ever decide to create a similar resource but for coders, let me know! I would love to be able to hand pick my own team of designers and coders that I can easily farm work off to!
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  • Profile picture of the author stevec71
    I've been outsourcing my seo for some time now hitting high competition keywords. I saw a change happen fairly quickly. Cost me quite a bit but easily made the money back from the traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Orator
    Outsourcing always does carry a risk, but the fact is you really can't expand your business without doing it. There are only so many hours in a day, and only so many things that you can be good at.

    If you hate grinding out articles, then trying to force yourself to do it will inevitability just cause you problems. In the end the key is just going to be finding some regular outsourcers you trust to do the job.

    Still best of luck with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Bronson
    Outsourcing can be great, but......
    make sure to specifically document every last detail of what you want, expect and will accept.

    Every potential 'virtual employee' is different and sometimes it can take several until you find a winner.

    If you can make short 5 minute or less tutorial videos of your tasks, all the better.
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    A better position to be in will see when You stop worrying about search engine optimization. The reason you will stop worrying is Your site will become popular because people love it or find it useful.
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    • Profile picture of the author Torreylee
      Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

      A better position to be in will see when You stop worrying about search engine optimization. The reason you will stop worrying is Your site will become popular because people love it or find it useful.
      Yeah, stop worrying about Search Engine Optimization unless you are planning to make money. This is business for some, fun for others.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeffHylands
    I just fired my seo outsourcer because he was building my links wrong. He was mixing the www domain and the http:// domain which basically screwed everything up in the time it'll take to get my rankings. Maybe it'll work for a double listing in the future but it's so frustrating when they don't do what you tell them. It took me a few hours just to clear up the clutter he caused in my link building projects.

    So now I am back with article marketing robot, senuke, and a few other tools doing things myself again. Just make sure to review everything they do so it doesn't come back and bite you later.
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  • Profile picture of the author JaneChan
    Outsourcing is very helpful and can give you a lot of benefits. It can make your work easier and faster. But before you can outsource your SEO it needs some budget.
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    • Profile picture of the author MonopolyMan
      Originally Posted by JaneChan View Post

      Outsourcing is very helpful and can give you a lot of benefits. It can make your work easier and faster. But before you can outsource your SEO it needs some budget.
      Drat. You mean they won't take an IOU?
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  • Profile picture of the author memme
    what is the price for a standard 5 page website with medium graphic design? each page should contain a min. 300 words text?
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