Money For Nothing - No Joke

by Harlan
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Last month I earned $130.21 from a book I published on Amazon Kindle.

Over the last two days, I published two more books both on Kindle and Nook.

I didn't write either of these books.

I hope to publish - within a year - 30-40 quality books on Kindle from public domain.

The reason I'm posting this is to suggest - that if you are looking for a very real business model, Kindle/Nook publishing is the way to go.

My advice - Do NOT publish any low quality material.

Do NOT use PLR no matter who tells you it's a good idea.

I do not have any programs in this area. I don't plan on having any in the future.

There are many WSO's about Kindle Publishing.

I suggest you also track down some material on public domain and go for it.

The costs are minimal.

No website.

Just post a book on a subject in demand and make money.

This is NOT a get rich quick scheme.

But imagine if you published a book a month and made $100 a month.

Is it a lot?

No.

But it's a start.

Anyone can do this.

Go make some money.

Peace,

Harlan
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  • Profile picture of the author yoangov
    You publish books that have reselling rights or?

    Also I guess it's a good option if you rewrite some books, but it takes more time for sure.

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    Some good tips Harlan, thanks!

    You mentioned not writing the ebook yourself, but also not using PLR.. was it outsourced?

    Definately a great platform to build upon, and $100 isn't a lot sure, but it all adds up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan J
    Nice share, I'm going to get my feet wet in Kindle Publishing in a few days, I've purchased a couple of learning materials of which has given me more insight on the topic. Out of curiosity, how long have you been involved with this business model? Do you outsource?

    Thanks in advance mate,

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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      I'm publishing public domain material in obscure niches.

      One author whose material I just published has 33,000 Google KW searches a month.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan J
        Wow that's quite some demand, how well do your amazon books rank on google? Is competition low? Or do you backlink them?

        Sorry to sound completely stupid, but how do you go about finding public domain material?

        Thanks

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        • Profile picture of the author Harlan
          Originally Posted by Dan J View Post

          Wow that's quite some demand, how well do your amazon books rank on google? Is competition low? Or do you backlink them?

          Sorry to sound completely stupid, but how do you go about finding public domain material?

          Thanks

          Dan.
          Honestly, a simple Google search will show you.

          There are some WSO's on public domain.
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    My only problem is that I don't have a Kindle.
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      Originally Posted by Don Luis View Post

      My only problem is that I don't have a Kindle.
      You don't need one.

      And there are free Kindle readers for both Mac and PC.
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      Originally Posted by Don Luis View Post

      My only problem is that I don't have a Kindle.
      You don't need a Kindle or a Nook. As Harlan already mentioned there are free Kindle readers for both the Mac and the PC.

      There's also a free Kindle reader app for most smart phones too.

      But from the marketing side, you don't need any of those things to publish on Amazon and BN (Kindle and Nook, respectively).

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    Free Kindle reader for PC - Amazon.com: Kindle for PC - Read Kindle eBooks on your PC

    Here's the Mac one. I haven't used it. Some say it crashes - Mac App Store - Kindle
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      Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

      You don't need one.

      And there are free Kindle readers for both Mac and PC.
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      You don't need a Kindle or a Nook. As Harlan already mentioned there are free Kindle readers for both the Mac and the PC.

      There's also a free Kindle reader app for most smart phones too.

      But from the marketing side, you don't need any of those things to publish on Amazon and BN (Kindle and Nook, respectively).

      RoD
      Originally Posted by The Copy Nazi View Post

      Free Kindle reader for PC - Amazon.com: Kindle for PC - Read Kindle eBooks on your PC

      Here's the Mac one. I haven't used it. Some say it crashes - Mac App Store - Kindle
      Thanks for your suggestions. I thought that I need my own Kindle to venture into Kindle publishing.

      Now that I know that I can publish and sell my ebooks in Kindle format, I'm now thinking of selling them on Amazon.
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    Kindle publishing is becoming a hot market for little guys. I wonder just how long before we start seeing some restrictions on the content they are allowing. Especially as I looked at some of the stuff available.

    The key to keeping this market open and profitable is to publish good material at a fair price.
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    I must have about 500 articles not being used and not put on the web yet, ummm great idea. I have enough content for say a few 30,000 word ebooks.

    Do you think that is a lengthy enough book on kindle. Never dwelved into kindle or nook before. That is what my ebooks usually run though about 30,000 to 35,000 words. I can get one written for 80 bucks and no you can't have my source who also has gotten me expert author time and time again. If he works for you he has less time for me. I'm greedy.
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      Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post

      I must have about 500 articles not being used and not put on the web yet, ummm great idea. I have enough content for say a few 30,000 word ebooks.

      Do you think that is a lengthy enough book on kindle. Never dwelved into kindle or nook before. That is what my ebooks usually run though about 30,000 to 35,000 words. I can get one written for 80 bucks and no you can't have my source who also has gotten me expert author time and time again. If he works for you he has less time for me. I'm greedy.

      At least you are truthful.. I like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author wfhblueprints
    Kindle is going to be a revolutionary platform in 2012.

    If you haven't considered moving into kindle I think its time that you did......

    Jon Andrews posted an excellent WSO a few days ago on kindle publishing and it ROCKS!

    Regards

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  • Profile picture of the author nursewriter
    You have to be careful with the public domain works.

    I don't think Amazon will let you publish public domain if they have it already listed on their site. Most of their public domain works are available for free.

    It may be difficult to find quality public domain that is not already published there. But that is just speculation since I have not tried listing public domain books on Kindle.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by nursewriter View Post

      You have to be careful with the public domain works.

      I don't think Amazon will let you publish public domain if they have it already listed on their site. Most of their public domain works are available for free.

      It may be difficult to find quality public domain that is not already published there. But that is just speculation since I have not tried listing public domain books on Kindle.
      There is more than enough public domain content for everyone on the Warrior Forum to publish hundreds of books a year.

      There is NO scarcity in this market.

      And yes, Amazon is restricting multiple copies of the same book.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by lukedidit View Post

      So your ripping off other peoples work and cashing in on it?
      If you understood the principle of public domain, you understand these books are out of copyright and available for anyone to publish.

      And if you follow the law, you are not ripping off any one.

      Of course, what concerns me the most is the ignorant babbling that might drive someone away.
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    • Profile picture of the author Scott Burton
      Originally Posted by lukedidit View Post

      So your ripping off other peoples work and cashing in on it?
      Public Domain means either the work was RELEASED to the public domain by the copyright owner/holder, or the copyright has expired.

      So strictly speaking it's not ripping off other people's work, since the copyright has bee released.

      ALTHOUGH, there are differences between different countries as to how long copyright is valid. So because something is Public Domain in one country, doesn't mean it can be published royalty free in another.

      So if you're dealing in anything international, it's one more complication to be mindful of.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan J
        Is there a minimum word count in order to publish books?
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    Is there any specific place where good eBook writers can be outsourced? Or is it just the case of filtering out the good from the poor?
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  • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
    Thanks for sharing, will keep a great look out on these technique

    may God bless you,
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    • Profile picture of the author thedog
      :confused: Public Domain Book?

      So... what you're saying is, I can find a free book online, publish with Kindle... and make money.

      For real?

      Am I missing something here?
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      • Profile picture of the author Harlan
        Originally Posted by thedog View Post

        :confused: Public Domain Book?

        So... what you're saying is, I can find a free book online, publish with Kindle... and make money.

        For real?

        Am I missing something here?
        The only thing you are missing is...

        Doing it.
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        Originally Posted by thedog View Post

        :confused: Public Domain Book?

        So... what you're saying is, I can find a free book online, publish with Kindle... and make money.

        For real?

        Am I missing something here?
        The only thing to be careful of is how you define "free".

        Similar to people grabbing photos/graphics from a Google Images search, just because you can access it online for free does not mean it's in the public domain.

        Once you've determined that the book really is in the public domain, read Harlan's answer again.
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      • Profile picture of the author DoubleOhDave
        Originally Posted by thedog View Post

        :confused: Public Domain Book?

        So... what you're saying is, I can find a free book online, publish with Kindle... and make money.

        For real?

        Am I missing something here?

        Yes, you are, cos it's being made out to be far simpler than it is.

        Using public domain material is just like using (good quality) PLR - you will more than likely need to rewrite it/ edit it / correct errors in it.
        You must also state that you are using Public Domain - this means you get 35% of the profit instead of the 70% you would receive if you wrote the book yourself.

        Granted - you could rewrite to the point you have changed the book almost entirely into your own - but that is not money for nothing!

        Also, you face a ban if you use duplicate material, and as someone mentioned already - most PD material that already exists on Amazon is free,

        and although I am only in the game in the last couple of months, I get the impression (don't quote me on this!) that Amazon take a dim view of people charging money for PD books... However - I can't verify this, it's just the feeling I get.

        If you want the very best WSO on Kindle books go here: p://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-special-offers-forum/514172-new-kindle-system-force-amazon-hand-you-1-bestseller-status-48-hours-less-guaranteed-new-post.html
        I have studied this subject thoroughly, gone through quite a few WSO's and uploaded books myself - and have been slapped down by Amazon once - and this is the best WSO you will find on the Kindle, hands down!

        There is another that is very good and would go alongside this - it's called Publishers Playbook... only you will need to unsub from all the pesky autoresponder messages that follow you like a wet dog after buying that one! :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author kumar
      Hi Harlan,

      This thread came at the right time for me.

      I am in the middle of creating my first product which will be a
      compilation of the best sections (in my opinion) of some Public
      Domain books in the 'Success/Self Help' niche into one product (e-book
      and probably followed by an audio CD).

      I was planning to market it in a more traditional way (Clickbank, own site etc).

      Do you think doing it thru Kindle/Nook is a better way to sell this product?

      Does promoting on Amazon and B&N platforms require an entirely different kind
      of marketing?

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Harlan
        Originally Posted by kumar View Post

        Hi Harlan,

        This thread came at the right time for me.

        I am in the middle of creating my first product which will be a
        compilation of the best sections (in my opinion) of some Public
        Domain books in the 'Success/Self Help' niche into one product (e-book
        and probably followed by an audio CD).

        I was planning to market it in a more traditional way (Clickbank, own site etc).

        Do you think doing it thru Kindle/Nook is a better way to sell this product?

        Does promoting on Amazon and B&N platforms require an entirely different kind
        of marketing?

        Thanks!
        You have to get traffic to your Clickbank site.

        Amazon gets the traffic for you...
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  • Profile picture of the author mimi k
    Great idea, but I think I would have an outsourcer rework a pd book a little bit and retitle just to avoid any potential issues
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      Originally Posted by mimi k View Post

      Great idea, but I think I would have an outsourcer rework a pd book a little bit and retitle just to avoid any potential issues
      There are no potential issues if it's public domain.
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Burton
        Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

        There are no potential issues if it's public domain.
        There is the potential issue of someone else submitting the same Public Domain Book.

        Esp after reading this thread, I'm sure a number of people will be scouring the internet for public domain books to do this with.

        The problem is, that sooner or later two people will try to do the same book.

        I do agree with the need to rework it similar to proper handling of PLR, because a LOT (not all) Public Domain works are old, and could benefit from being brought up to date.

        While you can take a book on gardening that is in the public domain, and use it today, probably as-is, if it predates the internal combustion engine, it probably doesn't address a lot of other more modern considerations. These things may not kill the book for not being included, but the book can probably by made better with the update.
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        • Profile picture of the author DoubleOhDave
          Originally Posted by Scott Burton View Post

          There is the potential issue of someone else submitting the same Public Domain Book.

          The problem is, that sooner or later two people will try to do the same book.

          Plus - if you are the second person to attempt uploading it, then you are the one Amazon sees as being the interloper and it's you who faces the slap down and warning of a ban for any further incursion.. is it still worth trying your luck for some 'easy' money?
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            Originally Posted by DoubleOhDave View Post

            Plus - if you are the second person to attempt uploading it, then you are the one Amazon sees as being the interloper and it's you who faces the slap down and warning of a ban for any further incursion.. is it still worth trying your luck for some 'easy' money?
            Just because it's not live yet, doesn't mean someone else didn't submit it before you.

            You don't run into this problem if you treat it like PLR should be (even if it is PD), as I said, most PD can be updated, enhanced and otherwise improved. And by doing so, you make yours the BETTER product.

            Which has more value, a kindle/nook ebook that is identical to something that exists for free online, or a kindle/nook ebook that's been given more up to date information, added resources, etc (and a shiny new title to boot).

            Just my thoughts
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    I'm doing something similar Harlan, with the intention of
    having several HUNDRED books available for sale within
    a year (in print (print on demand) and in the various
    tablet formats.

    So, this is a great tip, and lots of food for thought. There
    are so many public domain works available that are still
    as relevant today as they were when first written.

    The key is to publish only top quality and I like the fact that
    you emphasize obscure niches.

    I'll see you at the bank!

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    Originally Posted by loud1946 View Post

    I bought a public domain ebook with little editing and Amazon blocked it before it even got published
    You my friend, are the reason kindle is clamping down on such people. Congratulations.

    What ever happend to writing quality 'original' material. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    If you are worried that someone else might plan on using
    the same pubic domain work, you just edit it, changing
    it substantially enough that it can be categorized as a
    derivative.

    I've done that with several books.

    I've even seen books like Sun Tzu's "The Art of War"
    re-released as a version for a specific niche, like "The
    Art of War, And The Way Of Basket Weaving!" In fact,
    I've seen lots of hardcover books that were business
    best-sellers, that we derivatives of that work.

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  • Profile picture of the author Looking4Mentor
    Great ideas!

    I have thought about, read about, and now it's time to implement selling quality content on Kindle.

    Peace.
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    Man these are the kinds of ideas that pop up once in a while. Awesome starting point for really anyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author treka
    This definitely can work. Remember the kindle is a small format so when you are writing you quickly produce a lot of pages. I published one of my own works and had my first sale within 12hrs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harlan
      For all the whiners saying this won't work... for you, it won't.

      For all of you taking action like Willie, it certainly will.

      You can come up with all the excuses you want.

      But making money is the best response.
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        • Profile picture of the author Harlan
          Originally Posted by SingaTechnologies View Post

          Hi,


          Thanks for sharing, Wonderful Idea, I also thinking to to market it in a more traditional way, how do you go about finding public domain material?. May be Amazon will make any problems to publish public domain if they have it already listed on their site.



          Singa...
          1. Stop worrying.

          2. Google how to find public domain.

          3. Get off your butt and take action
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    Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

    My advice - Do NOT publish any low quality material.

    Do NOT use PLR no matter who tells you it's a good idea.
    Yes, this is very important. You have to make sure to publish quality content.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeseocool
    I have seen a lot of Kindle related WSOs and even bought some of them just a month ago and I can tell you one thing... The Kindle market is booming right now!

    If you have the knack to write your own content or have the time to outsource and compile keyword targeted content then you should definitely enter this niche.

    If you have friends who are journalists or aspiring authors then this is a great opportunity to help them get started.
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    I already have a kindle book up it has cracked the top ten in its three major categories
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      This is one of those quieter methods I've kept to myself over the years, using public domain works. Call me a dark horse but I don't give away everything for free on this forum.

      Harlan is 100% correct though. Now, if you don't know what public domain is, Google it. It's not rocket science.

      It's an ingenious method of uncovering a huge variety of very obscure in demand niches and it's all 100% legal and above board.

      What you will have to do is to search out those book titles and content which are hidden in the depths of these online resources. Scour around on the surface and chances are someone else will have got to the best books before you, so dig deeper.

      If you're too lazy to spend a day or two digging deeper this business model is probably not for you.

      Assuming you do have the presence of mind to see the huge potential in this strategy, you won't mind putting in the time to prize out those nuggets.

      I'm not going to give away the entire strategy here, some of you need to think for yourselves and not simply have everything handed to you on a plate all the time.

      What I will say (if you think outside of the box) is that this is an extremely lucrative business model to pursue with more than enough room for everyone interested to get their hands on a slice of the action.

      And Kindle is but one option. There are many more avenues you can follow up with this. Most of which are staring you straight in the face.

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      Originally Posted by Harlan View Post

      For all the whiners saying this won't work... for you, it won't.

      For all of you taking action like Willie, it certainly will.

      You can come up with all the excuses you want.

      But making money is the best response.
      Precisely. Nail. Head.
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    Brilliant! Easily scalable to free books in other languages.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
    Harlan, the book you originally wrote about on this thread... how much did you price it for? And how many sales did you make?

    Just trying to get more reference on how you went about it.

    Sounds like a brilliant plan, but I think that this will only work for very few people that really dedicate time and effort into such a precarious market.

    Another similar idea I had for a book was to write about lessons learned from a famous person that passed away about 15 years ago. The only problem would be if his family would object to me writing and thinking that I'm trying to capitalize off his name. It's just an idea for now since I have other books that I'm writing, but it's something I should look into.
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    Who is listed as the author if you publish a public domain book, you or the original author?
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    How is this money for nothing?

    You still have to actually write the book.

    You still have to make it worth reading.

    You still have to convert it and publish it.
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    Time of thinking is over.
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