The World's Highest Paid Profession

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My friend John Childers refers to platform speaking as
"the world's highest paid profession." I can think of many
professions that pay better for many of us, but it can be
very profitable for the right person with the right "platform."

Most people are actually scared silly of getting on stage.
I've often sat near the stage and watched TRAINED
professional speakers noticeably shaking when they first
get started. Once they get into the groove that usually
stops, but I guess the nervousness is natural for most.

Anyway, I think that platform speaking is one of the
fastest ways to position yourself as an expert.

Writing a book is faster and usually cheaper, but generally
nowhere near as profitable.

I'm curious as to who here has secret dreams of one
day being on-stage. Do you already have your topic
laid out, and if you are in a space where it's normal to
offer a product at the end of your presentation, do you
already have a product ready or in development?

I don't actually speak THAT often anymore but have to
admit that it can be a blast. I particularly enjoyed speaking
in front of about 800 people in Singapore, and then stepping
off-stage to be bombarded by really cute girls wanting to
take pictures with me :p

Do you personally want to be a speaker some day, and
why?

Willie
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    Bizarrely enough I'd like to become and expert in my field but have zero aspirations to become a 'platform speaker'...

    ... which now I think about it isn't odd (or even uncommon) but does make the task a lot harder. I don't like limelight and fuss but then you sell it well "bombarded by really cute girls wanting to take pictures with me"
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    Largest audience I've spoken to was only around 200 and I've never been so scared... Apart from maybe the night my son was born.

    Do you already have your topic laid out?

    Yes, I wouldn't be able to wing it. Even on camera at home I wouldn't be able to wing it.

    do you already have a product ready or in development?

    Selling stuff has never really been on the agenda (weird right?) but there's always been products ready to go.

    Do you personally want to be a speaker some day, and why?

    I'd do it again, only if I had something to say that was worth listening to - so highly unlikely
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  • Profile picture of the author rohitsinha
    The biggest reason I got into IM is that I am an introvert and want to avoid face to face communication and public speaking as much as possible.

    So, no, this is not for me, though I can understand how others who have no such hangups can benefit from it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Originally Posted by rohitsinha View Post

      The biggest reason I got into IM is that I am an introvert and want to avoid face to face communication and public speaking as much as possible.

      So, no, this is not for me, though I can understand how others who have no such hangups can benefit from it.
      Yes, a lot of people prefer the anonymity, although when you get
      into higher priced products, you need the one-on-one interaction.
      That's why prospects for higher priced programs are often driven to
      phone banks.

      Willie
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  • I've always been pretty good at public speaking, but it's not something I've really thought about doing as a profession.
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    • Profile picture of the author DGFletcher
      I *love* speaking in public!!

      I'm a bit weird when it comes to 'winging it'. If I try to prep more than just a tiny bit, *that* is when I freeze and it sucks. I've been doing instrument improv for an eternity and got out all my stage fright doing that. Speeches are like doing improv.

      With improv, you pick a key and a motif and go until the song stops.

      With speeches, you pick your topic and plan your motif and then go until the speech stops.

      My current big fear is that I have a place to go do speeches at, but I'm a bit scared they won't take me seriously... >_<
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Hey Willie,

    I LOVE speaking on stage.

    It's one of the best things there is.

    I know it's much easier to write books and sell info products (I do that too), but I love to be able to look people in the eye when I talk to them, so that a) I know they're paying attention and b) they know I know what I'm talking about.

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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Originally Posted by TiffLee View Post

      I wouldn't mind doing public speaking ... and, personally, I think I'd be pretty good at it.

      Unfortunately, I'd need a stack of phone books to reach the microphone.

      You would probably do well too, and size is not really a challenge
      with the wireless headset mikes so commonly used today.

      Incidentally at my first speaking engagement, we had a mike and
      podium, and I basically hid behind the podium for most of the
      presentation. Today, it's difficult to get me to shut up, and I
      am VERY comfortable speaking.

      Willie
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  • Profile picture of the author TrafficBot
    Speaking in front of 800 people? Wow did you have the jitters although I know you've been in the IM game for many years.
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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Originally Posted by TrafficBot View Post

      Speaking in front of 800 people? Wow did you have the jitters although I know you've been in the IM game for many years.
      No jitters, but I made the mistake of running from the back of the
      room, upfront, and onto the stage. It took me a few minutes before
      I didn't sound like I was out of breath :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author freemen14
        I worked in the University system for 17 years and part of my job description was to teach so it was normal for me to have classes of 150-200 first year students. I am very comfortable with it and have spoken to groups up to 800-900 people.

        Having said that I would much rather speak to 1000 people than to 10. Funny enough the smaller and more intimate the group or setting the more nervous I get. No idea why.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Mayo
        Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

        No jitters, but I made the mistake of running from the back of the
        room, upfront, and onto the stage. It took me a few minutes before
        I didn't sound like I was out of breath :-)
        LOL...Willie, That gave me a great Idea for the title of my next book.
        Breathe and Grow Rich...

        Have a Great Day!
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  • Profile picture of the author Melanie Mendelson
    If someone is afraid of public speaking, the best thing they can do for themselves is join Toastmasters. Toastmasters is a club where the people who are in the same boat (afraid of public speaking) practice their speaking skills and build up their confidence. There are Toastmasters locations are all over the world, just Google for them.

    I used to be absolutely terrified of public speaking, then I joined Toastmasters, and after a year was able to teach college classes without fear!
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    • Profile picture of the author williamp
      I like public speaking and would like to do more of it. Any recommendations on how to get started?
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  • Profile picture of the author ahlexis
    I would like nothing more than to get up in front of a room full of people and give a presentation at a public speaking event!

    Oddly enough, I've heard the stories of people just getting absolutely sick over the prospect. I'd read that even Janet Jackson gets absolutely nauseated and horribly sick just before going on stage for a concert.

    During a unique training session I've gone through in the past I was required to get up in front of a room full of people and sing a song. It was the strangest feeling in the world to me because as I did it I did NOT get nervous, and instead didn't do anywhere near as bad as I thought I would when I first learned I was going to have to do it.

    The reason for my desire to do this is because, since I did not get nervous in the middle of singing an impromptu song at the spur of the moment in front of a group of strangers, I have come to realize there is a whole world of things out there that I am probably very good at that I have yet to do . . . !
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    Yes, I do.

    I love speaking as I speak so very little during
    personal conversations or group interactions.

    (I speak maybe 20% - 30% of the time during
    conversations). So...

    the opportunity to speak and getting paid to
    do so is definitely at the top of my list. I have
    a lot to share especially to others looking to
    make money as entrepreneurs.

    I'm not sure I can speak in front of hundreds
    of people - never did it before - but I do know
    I can speak into up to around 100.

    It's hardly near the hundreds but I'm curious to
    find out what happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Originally Posted by WhoIsBenjamin View Post


      I'm not sure I can speak in front of hundreds
      of people - never did it before - but I do know
      I can speak into up to around 100.

      It's hardly near the hundreds but I'm curious to
      find out what happens.
      As someone else observed, it's often more comfortable
      speaking in front of HUGE groups than smaller groups. I
      personally focus on individual faces as I scan my
      audience anyway, reading body language, etc., so I
      only really see those near the front of the room clearly
      anyway.... and those are who I interact with.

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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    I thought you was going to say copy writer... LOL

    But public speaking is certainly a good one.

    I have done it before, and I enjoy it.

    But after my surgery last year, I am having to train myself how to talk again and fully enunciate my words.
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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      I thought you was going to say copy writer... LOL

      But public speaking is certainly a good one.

      I have done it before, and I enjoy it.

      But after my surgery last year, I am having to train myself how to talk again and fully enunciate my words.

      Copywriting can be harder work for many but when you get really
      good at it, and can write fast, it can make you millions per year.

      I know platform speakers who make that kind of money though. One
      is a good friend that I'm thinking about spending a few days mentoring
      under even though I'm a graduate of John Childers' $30,000 Speaker
      Training.

      In the IM space it generally depends upon how good a closer you are...
      which incidentally is a criteria many seminar hosts look at in inviting
      speakers.

      Willie
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

    My friend John Childers refers to platform speaking as
    "the world's highest paid profession." I can think of many
    professions that pay better for many of us, but it can be
    very profitable for the right person with the right "platform."
    I thought you were going to say become a Pharmacist lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Miles Kral
    I have been in my field for a number of years but I don't know if I would call myself a true expert, there's always something new to learn. In my field public speaking is not an option because so much of my business is built on trust and being discreet. Having a public presence would only hurt my business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rick Wilson
    Oh No ... NOT me. AIN'T gonna happen in my lifetime, Willie! Uh Uh...

    I'll leave that stuff to you professionals!


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  • Profile picture of the author williamrs
    No, I think I prefer to be an anonymous guys... I know it's probably not the most profitable thing, but I always had a simple lifestyle and I really don't wnat to change.

    I can make way more money now as and IMer than when I was a programmer, but that hasn't changed who I am. I still have the same lifestyle and the same friends, and I just want to keep things this way.


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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      I used to speak to very large groups, but they always ended up being very small groups before I finished.
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      • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        I used to speak to very large groups, but they always ended up being very small groups before I finished.
        It would get your attention if half the room suddenly had to use
        the rest room, or politely leave the room to answer phones that
        they pretended were vibrating as the exited the room, shortly after
        you get into your presentation.

        Willie
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  • Profile picture of the author kea55
    I would like to speak some day, and that's because I love speaking in front of people. Maybe I get some sort of ego boost from it. I'm not really sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    Willie,

    I have some numbers from Ron Legrand.

    In 2004 I attended one of his info-marketing 5-day bootcamps (pitchfest). A half dozen or so of the heavy-hitters in the info business were in the audience.

    At one point Ron told the audience his highest sales numbers from spealing for an hour and a half at events. I just looked it up in my notes, and here is what he said,

    "Ron's highest day selling stuff

    $475,000 gross - speaking not teaching
    $407,000 in 2 hours speaking not teaching
    Many days at $250,000"

    Of course he had to split this with the seminar planner, but still, it's a lot of money for a short time frame.

    The largest audience I've been in front of was 2,000 people. It was a long time ago, and silly me, I didn't have a clue about selling to them.

    I love talking to a group.

    :-Don
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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Originally Posted by Don Schenk View Post


      "Ron's highest day selling stuff

      $475,000 gross - speaking not teaching
      $407,000 in 2 hours speaking not teaching
      Many days at $250,000"

      Of course he had to split this with the seminar planner, but still, it's a lot of money for a short time frame.
      I'd be willing to take that pay cut in average hourly
      earnings

      The largest audience I've been in front of was 2,000 people. It was a long time ago, and silly me, I didn't have a clue about selling to them.

      I love talking to a group.

      :-Don
      I've been in front of groups of about 1500... military formations.

      There is something special about "podium power!"

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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Here in Kuwait, I've had the honor of briefing some 20+ General officers just through the months of November and December alone. While the delegations themselves haven't been over 20 people, the "importance" of the people has been just as high up the military/congressional ranks that you can get. I admit, when I first began doing these briefings as the Accountable Officer of the Theater Redistribution Center in Camp Arifjan, Kuwait, the nerves were incredibly intense. There was a time where I'd stutter and fall over my own words. While speaking, I'd draw blanks and glance at my boss for prompting.

    With time, I do think public speaking become easier. You just have to really commit yourself to it, venture past the unknown and uncertainty, and have confidence that your words will be powerful and resonate. Since November, the highest ranking officer I've briefed was the TRANSCOM 4-Star General. This gentleman--and several other Generals I have briefed--I am confident have gone strait back to the Commander-in-Chief himself to relay the data and information I have given them regarding the responsible drawdown of Iraq.

    On a side note, if anyone is particularly interested in what I've been doing in Kuwait....and how my mission here is directly related to the saving of millions upon millions of dollars of government and taxpayer's money (with this economy, and extent of fiscal irresponsibility lately, I actually find this quite comforting....), check out this video. They didn't use my actual interview, but they do have some footage of me (I have the black, U.S. Army, 1st Lieutenant bar on my chest):

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  • Profile picture of the author richardtj
    I would agree with those posters wholeheartedly. As a post University PostGrad, I positioned myself to such an extent that I was required to speak publicly on a weekly basis- it's great for self confidence, particlaurly when it's a field you're extremely competent in. If you want to get to grips with public/ seminar speaking, then sign up for your local Business networking events- it really helps as you're thrown in at the deep end with loads of like-minded entrepeneurs and I guarantee you'll be the only one there that is an internet marketer- giving you an open field to work your magic on
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by richardtj View Post

      I would agree with those posters wholeheartedly. As a post University PostGrad, I positioned myself to such an extent that I was required to speak publicly on a weekly basis- it's great for self confidence, particlaurly when it's a field you're extremely competent in. If you want to get to grips with public/ seminar speaking, then sign up for your local Business networking events- it really helps as you're thrown in at the deep end with loads of like-minded entrepeneurs and I guarantee you'll be the only one there that is an internet marketer- giving you an open field to work your magic on
      It's funny how you mention being "required" to speak publicly. Perhaps it's my military mindset of simply being thrown into something, and being expected to meet the challenge...and excel. Public speaking was just something I HAD to do. I was really given no other alternative but to succeed. If anyone has ever heard of Sun Tzu--he's one of my favorites and you'll see some of his work mentioned in some of my posts here--I'm a firm believer that he'd be all about just throwing people into otherwise challenging positions. Perhaps "war" is a little extreme in relation to "public speaking", but his approach was embodied quite well in the landing and invasion of Normandy.

      Thousands of Soldiers were placed in a position where they must either rise to the occasion, or die. There was no alternative.

      Of course, as a leader, I do think it would be gravely irresponsible not to provide people with at least the tools necessary to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    I'm not really the type of person to get up on a stage and speak openly and consistantly for a set period of time. I'd be like a rabbit caught between the headlights.

    I have done some public speaking before, ie - at local networking events but it's not something I'd feel comfortable getting into... although... I do appreciate that this area could be extremely profitable and is a very good way of moving your business forward and creating exposure for yourself and your profits.
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  • Profile picture of the author rooze
    I've done the corporate presentation thing in my past but generally hated it, until after it was over, then I convinced myself that it was a good time

    A few years ago I owned a wine/retail/art business in a popular tourist destination. We had a daily (I mean 7 days/week for 4 months) Trolley bus company bring tourists through my business for a wine presentation, which of course I found myself delivering in person
    That was a blast and a great lesson is selling. There would be one bus of 25 people during the week and two buses arriving at the same time on weekends and Holidays. They stayed exactly 60 minutes, so the presentation had to be perfected to 45 minutes and it had to result in people leaving the presentation and buying bottles/cases of wine.
    The best results were always to get them drinking more and having a laugh, which occasionally meant I had to drink too.
    Good times, fond memories, huge hole in the bank account
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    • Profile picture of the author heevyhivy
      For me it depends on the mix of people. I've seen so many teachers of art doing platform lectures. And they all have their own ways of talking. None of them are pro speakers, and usually talk like their talking to their friends, but hey they have everyone hanging on their word, so a lame joke doesn't come across as so lame lol.

      In my guitar performing days, I've done stage performances in front of about 1000 before, mostly 700-800 otherwise. The stage has annoying obstacles, the 'red head' spot lights alone makes you sweat so bad lol, that made me nervous more than anything else.

      Joe Satriania, one of my idols says he wears shades to overcome nerves since he can't see audience very well, making it less scary.

      I'm short-sighted so I would just not wear glasses or lenses.
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  • Profile picture of the author kayshaw
    Thanks for posting this question...It's fun to think about. That is actually one of my dreams, to be a lecturer that is. I was a stage actress for 6 years and gave it up to go to college, which I'm glad I did because I now have a BA in Psychology with a minor in Philosophy which I feel gives me more confidence and credibility in talking about my niche.
    But how does one get into that? Surely its not just something you fall in, but have to have successful products out there that people will want to pay to hear about?
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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Originally Posted by kayshaw View Post

      But how does one get into that? Surely its not just something you fall in, but have to have successful products out there that people will want to pay to hear about?

      It differs depending upon the niche or circuit that you want
      to speak on.

      In the internet marketing space, where I speak most often, you
      get invited, or you ask someone to put you on stage, because
      you have unique knowledge that they want to present to their
      audience.

      However, since the seminars are also an engine for selling
      information products, you also need a product that you can
      offer at the end of your presentation, and split the sales
      proceeds with the event host.

      For that reason, many seminar hosts are very interested
      in how well you CLOSE from stage. They want to know that
      if they put you in a room with a certain number of attendees,
      that a certain percentage will end up buying. So, it's not
      uncommon to be asked for your closing rate.

      Seminar hosts, such as my good friend Armand Morin, use
      to also want to know that you had been professionally
      trained. I trained under John Childers BECAUSE Armand had
      also trained under him,and recommended John. John's training
      did increase my sales substantially, and also made me a bit
      of an expert at some aspects of NLP.

      John taught me how to roll a sales presentation into a
      seminar presentation, that often didn't feel like I was
      selling

      If you are not professionally trained then you are more of a
      risk, because seminar hosts, such as my friend Ken McArthur,
      host of JV Alert, will get DOZENS of requests to speak at
      some of his events. He has to say no to most, including close
      friends, because he can only fit so many onto the schedule.

      In saying yes to one speaker, he is usually saying no to several
      alternatives. So, he's depending upon you to deliver tremendous
      perceived value, and at the same time, be able to sell from
      stage.

      So, having professional training, or a track record that you
      can point to, is how you get invited to speak at a LOT of these
      events. I get invited to speak a dozens of events each
      year... some by people who have never hosted an event,
      which always scares me unless they have studied under an
      expert at hosting events

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  • Profile picture of the author simontts
    A couple of people have asked about how to get public speaking engagements. If you click on the CommentLuv Directory in my sig there is a site called Speaking Agent (not mine) that gets people public speaking engagements.

    You could also just look up conferences that are related to your niche and put yourself forward as a speaker - while some will be grateful and maybe pay you a fee, others will charge you for speaking because it is a great sales opportunity for you.

    I do a lot of public speaking (and I also teach others to do so) and I would ONLY speak on something where I had deep expertise. It is from this expertise that confidence comes because I know that I can give my audience value for their time and attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author Osman_M
    I would love to be a speaker and be able to teach people one day on stage. I like passing along knowledge and it would be a blast doing it in front of 1000 plus people.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    As a content writer I credit my "selling from the podium" days to my ability to also write effective sales copy. And it's interesting that you mention John Childers.

    Years ago I bought a ticket to a pretty expensive real estate seminar based on one of his compelling presentations. Many years later, when I found myself pursuing the podium, John was the trainer for the presenters in the company I was speaking for. He really knows his stuff and also has the ability to teach it as well.

    Someone mentioned Toastmasters. I wholeheartedly agree that this is an excellent free resource to get started. And it's free. Anyone interested in getting started as a speaker should check it out and get involved. I was speaking publicly before joinint and my presentations got much better after having gone through their program.

    I haven't been up in front of a group in quite a while and miss it. Though I do feel I will be relatively soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author savvybizbuilder
    If you are a businessman, its natural to become a speaker at the same time.
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  • Profile picture of the author WriterWahm
    I don't know if I ever had any ambition of being on stage (except as an actress ;-) ) But from when I was 17 I found myself on stage speaking to hundreds of people. First it was in the Christian community and now it is on blogging, social media, etc. Does that establish me as an expert? I guess so. I just haven't learned to leverage on it yet. I only just started developing info products to offer but they are all digital for now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Buckley
    I had to speak to 1200 students about youtube one of the worst things i have ever done
    I forgot what i had written down to speak about so i just started talking about Youtube off the top of my head just tried to structure it best i could and cracked a few jokes and that was it.Longest 10 minutes of my life so far, Will hopefully never doing anything like that again.
    But i got a certificate so it was worth it
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  • Profile picture of the author benroger
    I am a teacher by profession and to speak in front of large crowd is a routine work for me. It certainly takes lot of skills to be extrovert in front of crowd.
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  • Profile picture of the author HairyPoppins
    I could never handle speaking in public. Not so much because I'm afraid of everybody or anything like that. I just hate being the center of attention and that's about as dead center as you're going to get. If it wasn't for that I actually wouldn't mind it. It can be a cool experience when you educate people on something you know a lot about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Originally Posted by HairyPoppins View Post

      I could never handle speaking in public. Not so much because I'm afraid of everybody or anything like that. I just hate being the center of attention and that's about as dead center as you're going to get. If it wasn't for that I actually wouldn't mind it. It can be a cool experience when you educate people on something you know a lot about.
      Yes, you do need to grab and hold their attention.

      You need to be able to educate, entertain, fascinate them,
      and of course gain their trust. The trust part is easy if you really
      know your topic, and if you don't audiences can usually sense
      that.

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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    I knew from the time I was just a little kid that the stage is where I would feel most comfortable. I worked in radio and television for many years. It was thrilling knowing every time I keyed the microphone tens of thousands of people heard my voice.

    Then, when I stepped out on stage in front of a live audience for the first time... I guess that's the feeling some people get when they do drugs. And just like a drug, I was hooked! I can't think of anything I'd rather be doing.

    For those of you that are afraid of public speaking or just don't think you would be any good at it, I suggest Googling your local chapter of "Toastmasters". It is a professional club (like Rotary) where people learn to give speeches. Well worth the time and the business contacts you get are fantastic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      Then, when I stepped out on stage in front of a live audience for the first time... I guess that's the feeling some people get when they do drugs. And just like a drug, I was hooked! I can't think of anything I'd rather be doing.
      Pretty much the way that I'd describe the experience...
      especially if you start gathering groupies
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  • Profile picture of the author WizIMS
    I can't wait to give local and global speeches. It will feel really gooood
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  • Profile picture of the author paul_1
    Speaking in public is natural for me... I'd be very confident when the topic is my expertise...
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    I think entertainment industry....
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  • Profile picture of the author Gengis
    Yes Willie i one day would love to be a speaker on a stage and travel doing it.. WHy? because i love it, i've done it a few times but for a church i used to be a member for and it is the greatest feeling in the world that everyone bombards you afterwards and makes you feel like you're on top of the world..

    I loved it and would love to do it as a business
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  • Profile picture of the author keyuria
    I do not mind speaking in public as long as I know what I am going to speak and the audience is also in the same niche. I welcome all types of questions as that motivates me somehow to learn more.

    Also face to face communications help a lot in finalizing several orders at a time in bulk if everything is organized properly, so I normally look for a chance to speak in public. It gives me the exposure of myself and the services I provide.
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