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Made a deal with an affiliate and he made me 30 sales in 2 days, but somethings fishy!

by 0b1 Banned
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OK guys

I recently had an affiliate come up to me and wanted to promote right after my product(NOT IM niche) was listed on clickbank

Anyways he approached me and he guranteed minimum 5 sales per day, said he had a few sites to promote my unique product and the catch is though he wanted to be paid eevryday via paypal. his reasoning is that he doesnt want money in cash but in teh form of paypal.

payment is $10/ sale for first 3 days and he said as time goes by I can pay him longer even after 2 months, after we build trusts. my product sells for $37

So we agreed and within 2 and half days he brought me 30 sales!I know im crazy to have agreed. and i have already paid him some money for sales yesterday.

I plan to only pay him up to 50 plus products and tell him to stop sending me traffic after that, until i actually get paid by clickbank for all those sales.

POtential loss here is 50 x 10$ = $500 assuming all sales turn out to be fake or refunded later on.

I decided to check if any of the sales were real by checking the email one by one on facebook. NONE turn up in the search results on Facebook.. warning sign here..

28 of my sales were from the states

need some advice on this!

I want to know how solid is Clickbank's credict card fraud prevention system?

And is there any other way I could use to verify the sales are made by actual people. any suggestions would be great!!

Thanks in advance!
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  • Profile picture of the author Cre8ive
    you know the line "Dont sell the skin before the bear is shot" ?

    It sucks to be drawn into that kind of things, but already with the statement that he wants the money (welknowing) before you get them, sends a strong indication that something is wrong. I think you should contact the provider emediately and say that you have revised, and you are not willing to make payments before the sales are aproved by CB.

    if he is professional, he would understand.. if not.. well.

    You cant really ever know. It could be bought stolen creditcard info aswell as fake emailadresses.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
    Seriously, why would you agree to such a thing - just sending him money via Paypal?

    Sounds like the old Western Union scam but with the nerve to use Paypal.

    Hope things work out for you though.
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    • Profile picture of the author anthony2
      Originally Posted by Christiani View Post

      Seriously, why would you agree to such a thing - just sending him money via Paypal?

      Sounds like the old Western Union scam but with the nerve to use Paypal.

      Hope things work out for you though.
      I agree big time with this comment.
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  • Profile picture of the author wfhblueprints
    Don't pay for any more sales until CB pays you.

    Tell him that he can continue to send you traffic and sales, but you will only pay him after you get paid by CB.

    If he doesnt accept, tell him he can use CB himself...

    If you don't protect yourself you could end up out of pocket big time!

    Regards

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    Originally Posted by 0b1 View Post

    OK guys

    I recently had an affiliate come up to me and wanted to promote right after my product(NOT IM niche) was listed on clickbank

    Anyways he approached me and he guranteed minimum 5 sales per day, said he had a few sites to promote my unique product and the catch is though he wanted to be paid eevryday via paypal. his reasoning is that he doesnt want money in cash but in teh form of paypal.

    payment is $10/ sale for first 3 days and he said as time goes by I can pay him longer even after 2 months, after we build trusts. my product sells for $37

    So we agreed and within 2 and half days he brought me 30 sales!I know im crazy to have agreed. and i have already paid him some money for sales yesterday.

    I plan to only pay him up to 50 plus products and tell him to stop sending me traffic after that, until i actually get paid by clickbank for all those sales.

    POtential loss here is 50 x 10$ = $500 assuming all sales turn out to be fake or refunded later on.

    I decided to check if any of the sales were real by checking the email one by one on facebook. NONE turn up in the search results on Facebook.. warning sign here..

    28 of my sales were from the states

    need some advice on this!

    I want to know how solid is Clickbank's credict card fraud prevention system?

    And is there any other way I could use to verify the sales are made by actual people. any suggestions would be great!!

    Thanks in advance!
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    • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      Anytime someone wants to circumvent the rules or systems that are in place, your internal radar should be screaming "Bogie at 12:00" - stop paying this guy right now.
      ^^^^ This x 100.

      Someone wanted to be paid outside of Clickbank and you agreed? Wow. The word to describe the gravity of this error hasn't been invented yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author SEOAdvice
      Agree with the reply posts. This deal stinks, and you stand to lose a lot more than your $500.
      If the sales do turn out to be fraudulent, CB will not only scrape the payments back, they will also levy chargeback fees, which can quickly mount up.
      Add that to ending up with a Refund/Fraud rate way beyond their allowed levels, and you will fast find your product removed from CB altogether.
      Get him to stop, now, and don't send him any money.
      Then, re-discuss the whole setup with him. The beauty of CB is that they pay affiliates directly, so he can just sell through them, and he'll get paid same time as you do.
      If he's not up for it, start running, and don't look back!
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  • Profile picture of the author JuniorNB
    I agree with Chris here (post #4). Let him continue send you traffic and sales but tell him that you will send money only after CB paid you.

    Lesson learned but it's not too late to make a U-turn

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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    There was a thread with exactly the same issue just a few days ago. Are you the same person? This smells of SCAM. You may pay him out then all of these sales may get refunded... where does this leave you? Out of pocket?! Be wary.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronak Shah
    Why are you in a hurry? I know that guy made you an offer too compelling to refuse but just tell him that until the sales are clear and past the money back guarantee period you cannot pay any money and once the money is clear to you, you will pay him as per the system. Why expect your self to take risks that don't gel with your understanding?
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Sorry, but you started a thread about this exact same situation 2 days ago asking for everyone's advice.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...dvice-pls.html

    Almost everyone in that thread told you to be VERY careful and that it was mostly likely a scam.

    Clearly you didn't listen to anyone's advice so I'm not sure why you bothered asking in the first place. As far as I can see, you got yourself into the problem because of greed. Everyone warned you but you didn't listen.

    Lesson learnt. Move on.

    (I've often wondered how all these scammers are able to make their money but when I see how easily people fall for their tactics, it's no wonder they are doing so well.)
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    • Profile picture of the author Matthew Shane Roe
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Sorry, but you started a thread about this exact same situation 2 days ago asking for everyone's advice.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...dvice-pls.html

      Almost everyone in that thread told you to be VERY careful and that it was mostly likely a scam.

      Clearly you didn't listen to anyone's advice so I'm not sure why you bothered asking in the first place. As far as I can see, you got yourself into the problem because of greed. Everyone warned you but you didn't listen.

      Lesson learnt. Move on.

      (I've often wondered how all these scammers are able to make their money but when I see how easily people fall for their tactics, it's no wonder they are doing so well.)
      Will took the words right out of my mouth. He actually beat me to the punch .

      Like everyone else is saying though, tell him no more payments until you get the clickbank payment yourself. If he don't like it, use ClickBank or don't promote it at all.

      Hopefully you actually listen to the advice being given to you this time.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    So..what the...

    You had a thread a few days ago and people WARNED you...but you ignored all warnings and you still did it...and now you are acting surprised because it might be a scam?

    Seriously...

    By the way...hope you ALSO do not get banned from clickbank...if you make 30+ fraudulent sales, there is a likelihood you also get banned from clickbank.

    Much luck, you will need it since you obviously don't give a dam about what people tell you!
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by 0b1 View Post

    OK guys

    I recently had an affiliate come up to me and wanted to promote right after my product(NOT IM niche) was listed on clickbank

    Anyways he approached me and he guranteed minimum 5 sales per day, said he had a few sites to promote my unique product and the catch is though he wanted to be paid eevryday via paypal. his reasoning is that he doesnt want money in cash but in teh form of paypal.

    payment is $10/ sale for first 3 days and he said as time goes by I can pay him longer even after 2 months, after we build trusts. my product sells for $37

    So we agreed and within 2 and half days he brought me 30 sales!I know im crazy to have agreed. and i have already paid him some money for sales yesterday.

    I plan to only pay him up to 50 plus products and tell him to stop sending me traffic after that, until i actually get paid by clickbank for all those sales.

    POtential loss here is 50 x 10$ = $500 assuming all sales turn out to be fake or refunded later on.

    I decided to check if any of the sales were real by checking the email one by one on facebook. NONE turn up in the search results on Facebook.. warning sign here..

    28 of my sales were from the states

    need some advice on this!

    I want to know how solid is Clickbank's credict card fraud prevention system?

    And is there any other way I could use to verify the sales are made by actual people. any suggestions would be great!!

    Thanks in advance!

    I remember when you posted this and asked advice about whether or not you should do it. A lot of people said don't do it. Be interesting to see how it goes down.
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        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Kid: Mommy, what's going to happen if I put my hand in the fire?

        Mom: You'll get burned.

        Kid: Are you sure? I don't believe you. (puts hand in fire) OWEEEEEE

        Mom: I told you.
        You forgot:

        Kid: Mommy, make it stop hurting!

        aka "I lost my ClickBank account, now what do I do?"

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        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Kid: Mommy, what's going to happen if I put my hand in the fire?

        Mom: You'll get burned.

        Kid: Are you sure? I don't believe you. (puts hand in fire) OWEEEEEE

        Mom: I told you.

        Some people never learn.
        Kid: What about that fire?

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    • Profile picture of the author onSubie
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I remember when you posted this and asked advice about whether or not you should do it. A lot of people said don't do it. Be interesting to see how it goes down.
      Yes, I read the same earlier thread and all the cautionary advice.

      Originally Posted by 0b1 View Post

      I want to know how solid is Clickbank's credict card fraud prevention system?
      Clickbank gives the buyer 30 days or more to get a refund. Since he will be getting a refund, he doen't need to use stolen or fraudulent cards.

      The scam is to trick you into giving him commissions in cash up front, then all the sales will be refunded as soon as the time limit is close or he has pulled as much cash from you as he can get.

      Of course you have no problem giving him the cash because your PayPal is full of sales and still fat after you pay off his commission in advance.

      But now you are on the hook for all the refunds.

      If he was a legit affiliate, he would lose the commissions too (you would share the loss). In this case you are pre-paying his commissions, when the refunds come you will be out that money.

      Since he knows he will be paid in advance and then get refunds, he can pump sales through 'black hat' means like multiple fake buyer accounts.

      I really think those sales will get refunded and he will disappear when you ask if he can return the money you gave him in advance.

      Of course, breaking the Clickbank ToS leaves you no avenue for recourse there. They aren't going to like all those 'fake' sales when they see them and you may have already put your account in jeopardy by breaking the ToS in this way.

      Not to look at at things in a "glass is getting emptier" kind of way... :rolleyes:

      Mahlon

      PS If he is unable to refund the sales and you keep the money, then good for you!
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      • Profile picture of the author 0b1
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        First of all Thanks guys for all your replies. And I apologized for creating a second thread like this. The difference in this thread is I wanted to inform that this affiliate actually did bring me sales.

        I want to make one thing clear. I did give a lot of thought after reading the comments from the previous thread. I did take everyone advice into consideration, I've been online for quite sometime now and I'm aware of scammers.

        I know the advices is to "stay far away" etc etc but when i spoke to this guy on skype and he seem to know so much more and wa seven advicing me on what to do with my campaigns.

        My risk taking side is telling me.. "this is a small risk to take and if this guy is for real i make alot." when i paid him i was prepared to lose that amount.

        I was actually hoping for someone who had the same experience to reply to this thread or someone who had a similar situation.


        Anyways we are agreeing to a different payment plan where he will have to wait 60 days after all sales are finalized. (He still insists on paypal payments)

        As for the sales that were generated by this guy this 3 days, lets wait 60 days and see
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        • Profile picture of the author Tech19
          Originally Posted by 0b1 View Post

          I know the advices is to "stay far away" etc etc but when i spoke to this guy on skype and he seem to know so much more and wa seven advicing me on what to do with my campaigns.

          My risk taking side is telling me.. "this is a small risk to take and if this guy is for real i make alot." when i paid him i was prepared to lose that amount.
          First off, as everyone already mentioned, you posted this a few days ago and nearly every single person here told you NOT to do it.

          This is not your risk taking side... This is your greed side

          You say you are aware of all the scammers, but you sound like every other sucker out there... "But he seemed so convincing!!!"

          I hope for your sake that we are all wrong....
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by 0b1 View Post

          My risk taking side is telling me.. "this is a small risk to take and if this guy is for real i make alot." when i paid him i was prepared to lose that amount.
          If the only thing at stake was money you were prepared to lose, you might have gotten different feedback. As it is, you stand to lose your entire Clickbank account, which means you also lose any future sales you might have made via that platform.

          When you make a bet, make sure you know all the stakes...
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          • Profile picture of the author Scott Burton
            Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx View Post

            You're an idiot!

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            I don't think it's necessary to resort to name calling. In all probability he's been scammed. We all agree. But name calling isn't constructive.

            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            If the only thing at stake was money you were prepared to lose, you might have gotten different feedback. As it is, you stand to lose your entire Clickbank account, which means you also lose any future sales you might have made via that platform.

            When you make a bet, make sure you know all the stakes...
            I definitely have to agree here. If you have other products on Clickbank, intended to have other products on clickbank, or have hoplinks that you are promoting, these could all be compromised or even lost (along with their revenue) if, as appears likely, you've been scammed.
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I remember when you posted this and asked advice about whether or not you should do it. A lot of people said don't do it. Be interesting to see how it goes down.
      Nuff said!
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxBounty
    I have to agree with all the PPs. What sounds too good to be true usually is. I've never seen a situation where people promise guaranteed sales to be anything but fraud. Why would they give YOU guaranteed sales instead of THEMSELVES? Oh... because they need to use you as a buffer between them and the fraudulent sales.

    Sorry to hear that you in all likelihood were scammed. You should listen to the Warriors!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lloyd Buchinski
    With CB's super easy refund policy, the affiliate has 6 weeks to collect money off you, before starting to refund each sale. That would be my first worry in your situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Fishy?

    Dude, this deal stinks worse than a sunny tidal flat three days after a red tide.

    Paraphrasing a quote often attributed to PT Barnum...

    There's a sucker born every minute, and a good con man can get rich on an hour's worth.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vlad Romanov
    How could you possibly think this isn't a scam?

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      The OP's comment from the other thread:

      I have agreed to make payments of $10/sale via paypal for the first 3 days,, even if its a fraud, i think its a small loss to me. I am willing to take this small risk.
      You took the bait knowing the risk. Too late to complain about it now. Don't expect sympathy when you post about being scammed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Torreylee
    Originally Posted by 0b1 View Post

    OK guys

    I recently had an affiliate come up to me and wanted to promote right after my product(NOT IM niche) was listed on clickbank

    Anyways he approached me and he guranteed minimum 5 sales per day, said he had a few sites to promote my unique product and the catch is though he wanted to be paid eevryday via paypal. his reasoning is that he doesnt want money in cash but in teh form of paypal.

    payment is $10/ sale for first 3 days and he said as time goes by I can pay him longer even after 2 months, after we build trusts. my product sells for $37
    This is DEFINITELY a huge red flag! He knows what he is doing.

    I never let affiliates dictate MY terms of payment, that was a bad move. I hate and don't work with Clickbank anymore so I don't know how much help their Credit Card fraud protection will be.

    I'm sorry this looks to be a bad deal for you, I truly hope we are all mistaken, but I doubt it.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Forgot to mention this...

      Clickbank's credit card fraud protection is not there to protect you as a seller to them. It's there to protect CB from crooks using bogus or stolen credit cards, or making bogus purchases.

      Had you played by the rules, the latter point might have helped protect you. Now? You're on your own. Complaining to CB now would be like telling the police your meth lab was burglarized...
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Burton
    The first thing that struck me as a scam warning was a guarantee of X sales per day. Unless X = 0, no one can guarantee a minimum number of sales consistently every day from day one. Even with highly responsive buyers lists on a closely related subject with an awesome copywriter, there's not a GUARANTEE, there are probabilities, but not guarantees)

    Next, the affiliate making this assurance is from a country where Clickbank won't let him be an affiliate? Several countries are on that list due to scam/fraud complaints, others are there for economic reasons, etc. Which should have at least warranted investigating the country he's from. (Due diligence... It applies to all business transactions)

    Third, he wants to be paid before you are; and before the refund period ends, which could leave you losing everything you prepay him, plus bad reputation with CB, possibly banishing your product.

    If I'd seen the original thread, I would have made these observations there, but I must have missed that thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author onSubie
      Originally Posted by Scott Burton View Post

      If I'd seen the original thread, I would have made these observations there, but I must have missed that thread.
      Don't worry. Everyone in that thread gave him stern and fair warning.

      Apparently greed got the better of him. Now he is here asking what to do after ignoring all the advice he got the first time he asked what to do.

      I'm waiting for his thread next week: "Help! I was scammed can someone tell me how to get my money back?"

      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Complaining to CB now would be like telling the police your meth lab was burglarized...
      Funny cuz it's true..

      Mahlon
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      • Profile picture of the author PaulAlan
        What was the point in asking for advice if you had no intentions of listening to it? Lot's of professional people took the time to warn you but you didn't listen!

        You really need to take a look at your ethics. You seem to have sold out to the devil for a quick buck knowing something wasn't legitimate.

        I agree with onSubie:

        Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

        I'm waiting for his thread next week: "Help! I was scammed can someone tell me how to get my money back?"
        Hopefully you won't lose too much money, and think yourself lucky if you don't get banned from Clickbank.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricky Dawn
    I think you will be getting a lot of refunds in the near future, are all of the purchases from different cards?
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    • Profile picture of the author philhunter
      He probably used those prepaid giftcards you can buy, gonna rinse you for 59 days then refund them all and move onto the next person
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    You're an idiot!

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    You been had!
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  • Profile picture of the author Noel Cunningham
    Definitely don't give him anymore money man til you see the cash on your side. If something seems too good to be true (especially online) then it usually is.

    God there's always somebody out there coming up with a new way to screw you over.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
      Please send me $10.

      I promise I will send it back when I'm done with it.

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      • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
        I agree, the deal was fishy from the start. If he can guarantee those kinds of sales, he's got access to hungry buyers. People like that don't need money upfront, with the right offer they can create it.
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        • Profile picture of the author srizer
          You are in loss , You will start getting refund emails very soon, then you dont have any thing in your hand as you already paid to that guy
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  • Profile picture of the author mag2906
    It's not fishy.
    It's 100% scam!

    Only way would be to agree to pay him after 60 days to ensure no refunds have been made...
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  • Profile picture of the author Looking4Mentor
    Sorry to hear about your troubles friend. Please listen to your intuition next time. You felt like something was fishy from the beginning. Then after 30 sales, you feel like something is fishy... This is the part I don't get, you are allowing him another 20 sales?? It sounds like there is a conflict between you being scammed, but really liking the money at the same time (greed). Cut your ties. If you don't have a contract with him, it sucks, but tell him you can't pay until you get paid --- the basics of business.

    Keep us all posted.

    Peace.
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelcorvin
    Clickbanks fraud protection is not the issue. The issue is 1) you pay him to paypal 2) he gets the money 3) those sales chargeback 4) you got screwed...This looks like classic affiliate fraud...lesson learned.

    But that is why Clickbanks affiliates program is in place..to take the heat off of you...

    Don't sweat it

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    • Profile picture of the author vendor
      Listen.
      I am also a vendor at clickbank and have been contacted by likely the same person.
      We took a different approach with him and told the guy to create a clickbank affiliate account and we will credit him via paypal on any sales he has made on that account.
      After he made about 15 sales we found them to be very odd.
      1.All sales were from persons in florida in a row
      and after that all sales from person in texas(very odd pattern)

      2.All sales were 2-5 minutes in between.
      (feels like someone with a list of stolen credit cards input these transactions one by one from a list).

      3.All customers who purchased did not activate the product (we can tell)
      which basically means they were not aware of the sales being made.

      Our assumption is that this guy has a huge list of stolen credit cards and is trying to profit from it via clickbank vendors (since it seems we are not the only ones that have been contacted).

      Do what we did, contact clickbank and have them refund all the transactions and have them block his affiliate account.
      If you have his paypal details send them to us and we will send them to clickbank as well.
      We did not send him any money via paypal at all, the moment we saw the transactions it was abvious something is wrong.

      I consider this a lesson learned on my side.

      Below is the email this guy sent us a few days ago when we were initially contacted by him. I am assuming this email has been copied / pasted and sent to many other clickbank vendors by this person.
      let this serve as a warning to all other clickbank vendors on this forum.

      email below
      "
      EMAIL: lampconline at gmail dot com
      SUBJECT: I can bring you over 10 sales per day

      QUERY: Hello,

      I am an established internet marketer from India. I can't promote your product from clickbank because my payments from foreign have exceeded limits. Therefore, I am contacting you in person and would like you to pay me independently. I would like to run a campaign for your product. I can generate atleast 10 sales everyday for you. My ask is you pay me 25% of each sale.
      Let me know if you are interested.

      Thanks
      "
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      • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
        Originally Posted by vendor View Post

        "
        EMAIL: lampconline at gmail dot com
        SUBJECT: I can bring you over 10 sales per day

        QUERY: Hello,

        I am an established internet marketer from India. I can't promote your product from clickbank because my payments from foreign have exceeded limits. Therefore, I am contacting you in person and would like you to pay me independently. I would like to run a campaign for your product. I can generate atleast 10 sales everyday for you. My ask is you pay me 25% of each sale.
        Let me know if you are interested.

        Thanks
        "
        How anyone can even consider such a request is beyond my understanding. Is it that you're greedy or lack a few of them brain cells.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
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    ob1,

    Don't listen to the Warriors above. They are all sour grapes because you found a super affiliate and they didn't.

    The gentleman you are dealing with is actually working under my tutelage. He is an upstanding humanitarian who often gives 90% or more of his proceeds to orphans and widows.

    The only reason he wants the money upfront is for the fact he feeds 22 children,12 widows, 6 cats, and 4 dogs every day and they are literally eating up his profit at a rate that can not wait the 60 days CB demands.

    You can trust this super affiliate and I advise continuing to do business with him.

    By the way ...

    One of the widows he has fed for over 5 years passed away recently. To our astonishment, the widow had been left almost 20 million dollars in a trust by her late husband. Since she had never taken care of finances, she didn't understand the contents of the letter the lawyers kept sending her.

    In reality she was a little foggy in her late age and actually thought it was one of those Publisher Clearing House Sweepstakes instead of a legitimate attorney's letter.

    This money has been sitting in trust for well over 12 years and could easily be over 20 million in value now. She has willed this entire trust to me.

    Just think of how many children, widows, and animals we could fed with this amount of money.

    The problem is, it is going to cost us a little over $6,000 in lawyer fees to get this money out of trust.

    With all the money we spend daily in food, distribution, and general overhead, we do not have enough cash in hand to pay all the fees. With all we could scrape together, we are still $4,123.57 short.

    If you could see some way to send us this amount, I would personally guarantee you 1 million dollars in your Pay Pal, in no less than 7 days after receipt.

    Even if you do not have the entire amount, just $1,000 would help us to the point we could pay you $100,000.

    Surely you understand I would never cheat you as I have a rather high post count here and several thank yous.

    Pm me and I will send you my Pay Pal information.

    </JOKE >
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      ob1,

      Don't listen to the Warriors above. They are all sour grapes because you found a super affiliate and they didn't.

      The gentleman you are dealing with is actually working under my tutelage. He is an upstanding humanitarian who often gives 90% or more of his proceeds to orphans and widows.

      The only reason he wants the money upfront is for the fact he feeds 22 children,12 widows, 6 cats, and 4 dogs every day and they are literally eating up his profit at a rate that can not wait the 60 days CB demands.

      You can trust this super affiliate and I advise continuing to do business with him.

      By the way ...

      One of the widows he has fed for over 5 years passed away recently. To our astonishment, the widow had been left almost 20 million dollars in a trust by her late husband. Since she had never taken care of finances, she didn't understand the contents of the letter the lawyers kept sending her.

      In reality she was a little foggy in her late age and actually thought it was one of those Publisher Clearing House Sweepstakes instead of a legitimate attorney's letter.

      This money has been sitting in trust for well over 12 years and could easily be over 20 million in value now. She has willed this entire trust to me.

      Just think of how many children, widows, and animals we could fed with this amount of money.

      The problem is, it is going to cost us a little over $6,000 in lawyer fees to get this money out of trust.

      With all the money we spend daily in food, distribution, and general overhead, we do not have enough cash in hand to pay all the fees. With all we could scrape together, we are still $4,123.57 short.

      If you could see some way to send us this amount, I would personally guarantee you 1 million dollars in your Pay Pal, in no less than 7 days after receipt.

      Even if you do not have the entire amount, just $1,000 would help us to the point we could pay you $100,000.

      Surely you understand I would never cheat you as I have a rather high post count here and several thank yous.

      Pm me and I will send you my Pay Pal information.

      Troy
      Are you %&%%& for real? Do you honestly expect anybody to buy this load
      of BS?

      Please tell me this post is a joke.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Are you %&%%& for real? Do you honestly expect anybody to buy this load
        of BS?

        Please tell me this post is a joke.
        It's a joke. I was thinking of offering him some swampland in Florida.
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      • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
        Come on Steve .. I know it's been forever since I have been on here but surely you know I haven't gone off the deep end that bad yet lol.

        But yes .. if the op bought the first load after all the warnings they received from respected warriors .. he has probably already sent me a PM lol.


        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Are you %&%%& for real? Do you honestly expect anybody to buy this load
        of BS?

        Please tell me this post is a joke.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

          Come on Steve .. I know it's been forever since I have been on here but surely you know I haven't gone off the deep end that bad yet lol.

          But yes .. if the op bought the first load after all the warnings they received from respected warriors .. he has probably already sent me a PM lol.
          Man, you had me worried for a minute. I thought you had lost your marbles.

          Okay, thanks. I can go disconnect the life support now.
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        • Profile picture of the author Janet Sawyer
          Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

          Come on Steve .. I know it's been forever since I have been on here but surely you know I haven't gone off the deep end that bad yet lol.

          But yes .. if the op bought the first load after all the warnings they received from respected warriors .. he has probably already sent me a PM lol.
          So then, Troy and Steve, is this a bait and switch?

          Interesting to say the least, Informative - YOU BETCHA.

          Looking for the red triangle now............... but do you know what? I'm not going to hit it for another few hours, just to see where this goes.
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          • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
            Really don't understand what you mean on this one.


            Originally Posted by Janet Sawyer View Post



            So then, Troy and Steve, is this a bait and switch?

            Interesting to say the least, Informative - YOU BETCHA.

            Looking for the red triangle now............... but do you know what? I'm not going to hit it for another few hours, just to see where this goes.
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        • Profile picture of the author colinaudie
          If I were you I would ignore some of the replies flying around here,they absolutely hilarious so trash them. If someone wants to promote your products let them join the affiliate network and promote via it so they get paid from there, if not tell them to buzz off.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
            Lol do you aaaaaall really believe that he did that? Why would anyone even do that? Lol
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            • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
              Originally Posted by Claire Koch View Post

              Lol do you aaaaaall really believe that he did that? Why would anyone even do that? Lol
              No, but sometimes is just fun to play along.

              I'm more likely to believe the OP was looking to gather intel on such as scam and perhaps be able to pull it off himself. Then again some people do pretty foolish things when it comes to money and greed.

              Anwyays, this is an old thread, the OP never came back. I wasn't holding my breath.
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              • Profile picture of the author Antonios
                Originally Posted by Christiani View Post

                No, but sometimes is just fun to play along.

                I'm more likely to believe the OP was looking to gather intel on such as scam and perhaps be able to pull it off himself. Then again some people do pretty foolish things when it comes to money and greed.

                Anwyays, this is an old thread, the OP never came back. I wasn't holding my breath.
                This thread began on January 11, 2012.
                This is February 5, 2012.

                There is still 35 days left for refund requests with CB.

                This time will be March 11, 2012.

                We will have to wait until that time to see if OP returns with results, if he ever does it.

                Antonios
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    • Profile picture of the author SasaIlic
      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      ob1,

      Don't listen to the Warriors above. They are all sour grapes because you found a super affiliate and they didn't.

      The gentleman you are dealing with is actually working under my tutelage. He is an upstanding humanitarian who often gives 90% or more of his proceeds to orphans and widows.

      The only reason he wants the money upfront is for the fact he feeds 22 children,12 widows, 6 cats, and 4 dogs every day and they are literally eating up his profit at a rate that can not wait the 60 days CB demands.

      You can trust this super affiliate and I advise continuing to do business with him.

      By the way ...

      One of the widows he has fed for over 5 years passed away recently. To our astonishment, the widow had been left almost 20 million dollars in a trust by her late husband. Since she had never taken care of finances, she didn't understand the contents of the letter the lawyers kept sending her.

      In reality she was a little foggy in her late age and actually thought it was one of those Publisher Clearing House Sweepstakes instead of a legitimate attorney's letter.

      This money has been sitting in trust for well over 12 years and could easily be over 20 million in value now. She has willed this entire trust to me.

      Just think of how many children, widows, and animals we could fed with this amount of money.

      The problem is, it is going to cost us a little over $6,000 in lawyer fees to get this money out of trust.

      With all the money we spend daily in food, distribution, and general overhead, we do not have enough cash in hand to pay all the fees. With all we could scrape together, we are still $4,123.57 short.

      If you could see some way to send us this amount, I would personally guarantee you 1 million dollars in your Pay Pal, in no less than 7 days after receipt.

      Even if you do not have the entire amount, just $1,000 would help us to the point we could pay you $100,000.

      Surely you understand I would never cheat you as I have a rather high post count here and several thank yous.

      Pm me and I will send you my Pay Pal information.

      Troy
      Hahaha, this is the stupidest post on this forum if you are for real, But if you are joking then this is pretty funny.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      ob1,

      Don't listen to the Warriors above. They are all sour grapes because you found a super affiliate and they didn't.

      The gentleman you are dealing with is actually working under my tutelage. He is an upstanding humanitarian who often gives 90% or more of his proceeds to orphans and widows.

      The only reason he wants the money upfront is for the fact he feeds 22 children,12 widows, 6 cats, and 4 dogs every day and they are literally eating up his profit at a rate that can not wait the 60 days CB demands.

      You can trust this super affiliate and I advise continuing to do business with him.

      By the way ...

      One of the widows he has fed for over 5 years passed away recently. To our astonishment, the widow had been left almost 20 million dollars in a trust by her late husband. Since she had never taken care of finances, she didn't understand the contents of the letter the lawyers kept sending her.

      In reality she was a little foggy in her late age and actually thought it was one of those Publisher Clearing House Sweepstakes instead of a legitimate attorney's letter.

      This money has been sitting in trust for well over 12 years and could easily be over 20 million in value now. She has willed this entire trust to me.

      Just think of how many children, widows, and animals we could fed with this amount of money.

      The problem is, it is going to cost us a little over $6,000 in lawyer fees to get this money out of trust.

      With all the money we spend daily in food, distribution, and general overhead, we do not have enough cash in hand to pay all the fees. With all we could scrape together, we are still $4,123.57 short.

      If you could see some way to send us this amount, I would personally guarantee you 1 million dollars in your Pay Pal, in no less than 7 days after receipt.

      Even if you do not have the entire amount, just $1,000 would help us to the point we could pay you $100,000.

      Surely you understand I would never cheat you as I have a rather high post count here and several thank yous.

      Pm me and I will send you my Pay Pal information.

      Troy
      Troy,

      You might want to clarify to the OP this is a joke. If he fell for the other one you could well end up with $4,123.57 in your Paypal account today!

      Still funny though.
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      • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
        Will,

        I honestly didn't think anyone would think I was serious but .. that right there is why so many scammers exist.

        I know you understood from the first sentence Will but for those that don't ... I have a somewhat warped sense of humor at times.

        Why would anyone want to come to a live forum and run a serious offer like the one I was playing around with?

        I reserve those actions for spamming gmail and yahoo JK ... Not Really a spammer


        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        Troy,

        You might want to clarify to the OP this is a joke. If he fell for the other one you could well end up with $4,123.57 in your Paypal account today!

        Still funny though.
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  • Profile picture of the author giseo
    Sounds like a scam.
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    Don't pay for any more sales until CB pays you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      If by chance you are a VA instead of a bot, when do you plan on coming back and inserting the links?

      Idiot spammers .. don't got too love them!

      Thanks Troy, I thought I was hearing my own echo from this Mitchell1122 person, lol.

      I'd like to quote CDarlock's wise words when referring to the same person:

      "I'd like to us Dickhead alert: it's also cookie stuffing.

      Whenever you see a message with three broken images at the end of it, whack the little triangle icon and report it for cookie stuffing. It's a known forum-spam technique."
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    Janet, I reported before I ever brought attention to the main forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author canada94
    Good luck with getting your money back on this one pal, thats what greed does unfortuately, without integrity we have nothing.

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    • Profile picture of the author Antonios


      That's like the bank that had a poster in its front window:

      "Clients please be warned that there is a scam scheme where you are asked to deposit $5,000 or transfer from your accounta to XXXX-XXXXXX account and that you will receive a 10% monthly interest" This is a scam don't participate!

      Probably, not the exact phrase, but similar.

      There were hundreds of people calling the bank asking for the correct account number so that they could make the transfer!!!!!!

      Scammers know that there are thousands of people all over, that will always fall for a good rip off.

      People want to be martyrs.

      That's why scammers and rip off and con men and women are so successful.

      It's life!

      :confused::confused::confused:

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    You should only pay when you get the money from clickbank... That's the best way to do it...
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  • Profile picture of the author David Raybould
    Alternatively...

    ... why not contact this affiliate guy again
    and ask him if he has any magic beans for
    sale?

    Couldn't hurt.
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  • Profile picture of the author Venturetothetop
    The power of greed is strong within you....

    Nothing worse then someone who is given sound advice, especially after asking for it themselves - and then goes and does the opposite - and then comes back to ask for help from the same people!

    You made a huge mistake - worse case your money is gone, best case (unlikely) everyone who gave you advice was wrong.

    Actually no - worse case is that your refunds rack up real fast, Clickbank red flags you and you product/account/ everything is pulled - not to mention the rubbish stats you have to deal with should they let you even continue.

    If I were you I would concentrate very heavily on gaining real affiliates for your product fast so that real sales can at least somewhat outweigh the negative effects .....

    As for the poking fun/abusive posts on this thread - you deserve it. When I'm an idiot I get told - they are just being polite and making sure you get told. Take it, and learn...
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  • Profile picture of the author vivi62
    This is like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted,perhaps you can get your money back that you paid him for his services through paypal.
    as he hasnt delivered long term sales,it might be worth a try
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