PLIMUS not accepting Forex vendors anymore?

by ak2000 136 replies
Just had one of my Plimus accounts shut as "due to a recent policy change, we no longer support Forex vendors."

Anyone aware of this or had account(s) shut down for the same reason?

(not to mention they keep all the money for 3.5 months and refund it pro rata...)

Not a small change as Plimus had a decent market share as a payment-affiliate platform in the Forex niche

Last but not least, any other similar affiliate platform you'd recommend other than Clicbank?

Thanks!
#main internet marketing discussion forum #accepting #anymore #forex #plimus #vendors
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  • Profile picture of the author SaraR
    Originally Posted by ak2000 View Post


    Last but not least, any other similar affiliate platform you'd recommend other than Clicbank?

    Thanks!
    :confused:I am also interested if there any good platform that would never do such a trick.. My account also has been suspended due to this policy. hate Plimus now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by SaraR View Post

      :confused:I am also interested if there any good platform that would never do such a trick.. My account also has been suspended due to this policy. hate Plimus now.
      Didn't you get a warning notice to take down your product?

      I wouldn't have thought they would just slide in new rules and suspend everyone.
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      • Profile picture of the author SaraR
        They have sent a message 20 hours ago. Very nice.
        Here what they said
        The credit card associations (including Visa and MasterCard) are increasing their scrutiny of merchants selling products within a number of online segments. Affected market segments include, but are not limited to, the following:

        - Online auctions
        - Foreign Exchange (FOREX)-related products
        - Media
        - Poker chips and other virtual currency

        As you offer products that fit within one or more of these segments, Plimus must now undertake a detailed and exhaustive review of your account, and its compatibility with the Plimus platform. This review will take approximately 30 days; at its conclusion, we hope to be able to advise you that we can continue to provide e-commerce services to your business.

        During the period of this review, we must undertake two steps. First, the payout scheduled for the 15th of this month will be suspended for a period not to exceed 30 days, pending our confirmation that all transactions will be honored by the card associations. Second, your account will be suspended as of Thursday, January 12th, which will mean that no further transactions can take place until further notice.

        We recognize that this represents a significant business challenge, and apologize for the inconvenience. If you believe your account should not be considered to be within one of the stated market segments, or if you have any questions of concerns, please contact Vendor Support directly.


        And you know you can't ask the customers to wait just because Plimus is not in the good mood today. I am shocked to be informed just a day before suspension. So, I am searching for the platform that can handle PayPal and credit cards payments from US and nonUS customers. I will need to have 1 account for all my web-pages, so 2checkout.com is not for me. They charge for every additional web-page. And what I need is a reliable company that would never freeze or close the account without any strong reasons. I also need this platform to allow me having the affiliates.. And the payments should be secured. Well, you all know it Just looking for the good alternative, Plimus has disappointed me and I never liked its support, they may answer your ticket for a week.
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        • Profile picture of the author wordpressmania
          Originally Posted by SaraR View Post

          They have sent a message 20 hours ago. Very nice.
          Here what they said
          The credit card associations (including Visa and MasterCard) are increasing their scrutiny of merchants selling products within a number of online segments. Affected market segments include, but are not limited to, the following:

          - Online auctions
          - Foreign Exchange (FOREX)-related products
          - Media
          - Poker chips and other virtual currency

          As you offer products that fit within one or more of these segments, Plimus must now undertake a detailed and exhaustive review of your account, and its compatibility with the Plimus platform. This review will take approximately 30 days; at its conclusion, we hope to be able to advise you that we can continue to provide e-commerce services to your business.

          During the period of this review, we must undertake two steps. First, the payout scheduled for the 15th of this month will be suspended for a period not to exceed 30 days, pending our confirmation that all transactions will be honored by the card associations. Second, your account will be suspended as of Thursday, January 12th, which will mean that no further transactions can take place until further notice.

          We recognize that this represents a significant business challenge, and apologize for the inconvenience. If you believe your account should not be considered to be within one of the stated market segments, or if you have any questions of concerns, please contact Vendor Support directly.


          And you know you can't ask the customers to wait just because Plimus is not in the good mood today. I am shocked to be informed just a day before suspension. So, I am searching for the platform that can handle PayPal and credit cards payments from US and nonUS customers. I will need to have 1 account for all my web-pages, so 2checkout.com is not for me. They charge for every additional web-page. And what I need is a reliable company that would never freeze or close the account without any strong reasons. I also need this platform to allow me having the affiliates.. And the payments should be secured. Well, you all know it Just looking for the good alternative, Plimus has disappointed me and I never liked its support, they may answer your ticket for a week.
          Sorry to know... It is not fair...
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      • Profile picture of the author ak2000
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Didn't you get a warning notice to take down your product?

        I wouldn't have thought they would just slide in new rules and suspend everyone.
        You would think, right...no notice whatsoever, just an email this morning in the middle of a product launch on Plimus telling me the account has been closed and that they would keep the cash for the next 3.5 months...

        Incredible, I know...what a joke
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      • Profile picture of the author Yulia from DNP
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Didn't you get a warning notice to take down your product?

        I wouldn't have thought they would just slide in new rules and suspend everyone.


        Believe it or not but many companies get " surprise " notice like that themselves, and have to make changes quick.
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        • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
          The vast majority of people who try and earn money by trading in the Forex market lose it all within 6 months or less. Although this market is huge and supposedly too big to manipulate, it is actually manipulated by the 20 or so largest banks in the world for their own profit.

          Shhhhhh! Don't tell anyone that. Don't you know with just $49.95 and my ebook you can become the next George Soros overnight?

          Be very, very quiet. We're hunting wabbits.

          Glad someone had the sack to step and tell it like it is, why places like plimus are saying no more forex. Sorry folks, I don't sympathize with all of the whining about losing an outlet for selling a dream that will never come true, despite your promises. Successful currency trading is not something you learn from an ebook or course.

          Maybe a change in business model and the product you push?
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          • Profile picture of the author MarketTrader
            Did anyone get any payment from plimus this month?

            Aren't they supposed to pay us the rest of the funds they owe use in due course? (meaning every month)

            I still have not got any email from them for payment overview what so ever (which I have always received on the 14th of every month).
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  • Profile picture of the author aaaa33030
    You can try paydotcom, click2sell, e-junkie or rapbank
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  • Profile picture of the author ak2000
    Thoughts welcome. The damage is done now anyway...

    Not to mention the continuity contracts / products / revenue that they suddenly ended and which is virtually lost...
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    ak2000,

    I got the same message as everyone else involved with forex (the one that SaraR mentioned), the account got suspended, not closed and they say they will release the funds starting with February 15.

    How come they closed yours without a suspension? I'm just curious.
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    • Profile picture of the author ak2000
      Originally Posted by cpaul View Post

      ak2000,

      I got the same message as everyone else involved with forex (the one that SaraR mentioned), the account got suspended, not closed and they say they will release the funds starting with February 15.

      How come they closed yours without a suspension? I'm just curious.
      Hi Paul,

      Yes, technically it's a "suspension" which however to me sounds like a closure with immediate effect (except they keep the funds for 3.5 months after the last day of the month of the account suspension date...which for practical purposes means they will "review" whether to pay the money in May!!!)

      Regards, Ak2000
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  • Profile picture of the author stephaniekplimus
    We recognize that the recent announcement concerning accounts represents a significant business challenge. We apologize for the inconvenience of the account suspensions for those identified as selling online auctions, Foreign Exchange (FOREX) and related products, Media and Poker chips and other virtual currency.

    It is never a good time to make such an announcement. But, for these industries the credit card associations (including Visa and MasterCard) are increasing their scrutiny of merchants selling products within these online segments due to market issues.

    As a result, for the protection of our other vendors, we must undertake a detailed and exhaustive review of accounts identified as being in these segments and take appropriate action. Vendors in these market segments ONLY are suspended as of Thursday, January 12th, which will mean that no further transactions can take place until further notice. If you believe your account should not be considered to be within one of the stated market segments, or if you have any questions of concerns, please contact Vendor Support directly.

    If your account has been identified as being in one of these categories (online auctions, Foreign Exchange (FOREX) and related products, Media and Poker chips and other virtual currency), account reviews will take approximately 30 days. During the period of this review, the payout scheduled for the 15th of this month will be suspended for a period not to exceed 30 days pending our confirmation that all transactions will be honored by the card associations.

    Again, we regret having to take this action for accounts in these categories. For all other vendors, business continues without interruption to services.

    Stephanie K., Plimus
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    • Profile picture of the author ak2000
      This is the message I got from your Risk Team earlier today...quite a different picture:

      "Dear Vendor,

      We are writing at this time to notify you we are exercising our right to suspend your account and payment as your business is in violation of the Plimus Prohibited Items Policy under this section: Financial services and of any type including and not limited to financial advice, all types of trading, insurance, currency exchange, trading signals, payment services.

      Should there be any reference to Plimus on your web site, we ask that you remove it at this time.

      In order to cover potential refunds and chargeback as well as any legal costs incurred to Plimus any payments due to you from Plimus are held for a period of three months and fifteen days starting from the last day of the month of your account suspension date; after which funds will be released to you per a monthly ongoing review and based on refund and chargeback impacting your account. In case of a negative balance in your Plimus account, Plimus will invoice you for the balance amount and expect payment within 30 business days.

      We would like to take this opportunity to wish you success for the future and thank you for thinking of Plimus for your business needs.

      Please let us know should you have any questions or concerns."

      Why the difference in treatment?

      Why not give some warning to those involved so we could make alternative arrangements?

      Thanks, Ak2000


      Originally Posted by stephaniekplimus View Post

      We recognize that the recent announcement concerning accounts represents a significant business challenge. We apologize for the inconvenience of the account suspensions for those identified as selling online auctions, Foreign Exchange (FOREX) and related products, Media and Poker chips and other virtual currency.

      It is never a good time to make such an announcement. But, for these industries the credit card associations (including Visa and MasterCard) are increasing their scrutiny of merchants selling products within these online segments due to market issues.

      As a result, for the protection of our other vendors, we must undertake a detailed and exhaustive review of accounts identified as being in these segments and take appropriate action. Vendors in these market segments ONLY are suspended as of Thursday, January 12th, which will mean that no further transactions can take place until further notice. If you believe your account should not be considered to be within one of the stated market segments, or if you have any questions of concerns, please contact Vendor Support directly.

      If your account has been identified as being in one of these categories (online auctions, Foreign Exchange (FOREX) and related products, Media and Poker chips and other virtual currency), account reviews will take approximately 30 days. During the period of this review, the payout scheduled for the 15th of this month will be suspended for a period not to exceed 30 days pending our confirmation that all transactions will be honored by the card associations.

      Again, we regret having to take this action for accounts in these categories. For all other vendors, business continues without interruption to services.

      Stephanie K., Plimus
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    • Profile picture of the author poweraff
      Originally Posted by stephaniekplimus View Post

      We recognize that the recent announcement concerning accounts represents a significant business challenge. We apologize for the inconvenience of the account suspensions for those identified as selling online auctions, Foreign Exchange (FOREX) and related products, Media and Poker chips and other virtual currency.

      It is never a good time to make such an announcement. But, for these industries the credit card associations (including Visa and MasterCard) are increasing their scrutiny of merchants selling products within these online segments due to market issues.

      As a result, for the protection of our other vendors, we must undertake a detailed and exhaustive review of accounts identified as being in these segments and take appropriate action. Vendors in these market segments ONLY are suspended as of Thursday, January 12th, which will mean that no further transactions can take place until further notice. If you believe your account should not be considered to be within one of the stated market segments, or if you have any questions of concerns, please contact Vendor Support directly.

      If your account has been identified as being in one of these categories (online auctions, Foreign Exchange (FOREX) and related products, Media and Poker chips and other virtual currency), account reviews will take approximately 30 days. During the period of this review, the payout scheduled for the 15th of this month will be suspended for a period not to exceed 30 days pending our confirmation that all transactions will be honored by the card associations.

      Again, we regret having to take this action for accounts in these categories. For all other vendors, business continues without interruption to services.

      Stephanie K., Plimus

      IM Products : Suspended
      Forex products : Suspended

      WTF? Do you know what you are doing ?

      OK, Forex Suspension is not in your hands, we can understand that, why Clickbank and other Affiliate Network still sell these products ?
      is this because you cant defend your business ? is it because you are weak ?

      What about the IM industry ? is there any specified reason to not sell it ?

      CONCLUSION : PLIMUS is not looking to grow their business... no like Clickbank, they always look forward being the #1.. instead Plimus ( unprofessional )

      Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    That's the same message SaraR posted (it's just a copy/paste of the email we all received).

    I'd like to know if there is any chance to keep the account open after the review period even if we sell forex related products. If not, what will happen with our money? Will we receive them pro rata after those 30 days?
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  • Profile picture of the author anthony2
    if you are looking for something outside of plimus then
    you can checkout e-junkie, 1shoppingcart, clickbank
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    Hi Ak2000

    Sorry for your account closure.
    Thanks for clarifications, I was just trying to figure out why the difference in treatment. I guess you were not selling expert advisors which belongs to software category even if they are forex related products. However, you might be the lucky one, if they decide to terminate some accounts at the end of those 30 days, we'll receive the money starting from July!

    Any good alternatives to plimus? Clickbank is out of the question, paydotcom looks like a scam and very unprofessional too, how about ejunkie, is anyone using them? Do they have a solid affiliate platform?
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  • Profile picture of the author SaraR
    Sorry to say, got no new information from Plimus rep...
    I am selling EAs, will see what happens to my account, will let you know.

    By the way, I am looking into FastSpring, InfusionSoft, PayPro Global.. sound good..
    But I need the platform to support 30 days refund period with the possibility to open the disputes as they have it at Plimus, and to be allowed to have few web-pages registered to the 1 account. Anyone worked with any of these 3 platforms?
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    FastSpring fulfills all these conditions at a first glance.

    There is a problem with refund however:

    "You can do full or partial (individual line items, like just refunding the CD portion of an order) refunds within SpringBoard, our e-commerce platform. If we get refund requests, we'll send them to you for approval. *Only* if we strongly believe that an order is fraudulent or is about to turn into a chargeback would we refund without permission, and we'd explain it first. Because refunds do cost us in transaction fees, we charge 3.5% on refund transactions. "
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    • Profile picture of the author ak2000
      Originally Posted by cpaul View Post

      FastSpring fulfills all these conditions at a first glance.

      There is a problem with refund however:

      "You can do full or partial (individual line items, like just refunding the CD portion of an order) refunds within SpringBoard, our e-commerce platform. If we get refund requests, we'll send them to you for approval. *Only* if we strongly believe that an order is fraudulent or is about to turn into a chargeback would we refund without permission, and we'd explain it first. Because refunds do cost us in transaction fees, we charge 3.5% on refund transactions. "
      Thanks Paul, I suspect I *could* live with that as long as they fulfilled all the other conditions well...
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      • Profile picture of the author kevintg1
        1st of January they shut down my pad media with no notice, then today i get this

        Dear Affiliate –

        The credit card associations (including Visa and MasterCard) are increasing their scrutiny of merchants selling products within a number of online segments. Affected market segments include, but are not limited to, the following:

        Online auctions
        Foreign Exchange (FOREX)-related products
        Media
        Poker chips and other virtual currency

        As you currently are promoting products that fit within one or more of these segments, Plimus must now undertake a detailed and exhaustive review of your account to assess the stability of the products sold via your efforts.

        During the period of this review, we must suspend payments for your account for a period not to exceed 30 days, pending our confirmation that all transactions will be honored by the card associations.

        We recognize that this represents a significant business challenge, and apologize for the inconvenience. If you believe your account should not be considered to be focused on any of the stated market segments, or if you have any questions or concerns, please contact Vendor Support directly.

        Best Regards

        The Plimus Team

        then i got this from eReadersLibrary


        Dear Affiliate!

        As of today 12 January 2012 Plimus has suspended our account and currently is under review for the next 30 days. This means while our account is under review the order links wont work. Similar action has also been taken agains other merchans with products in the following niches: Online Auctions, Forex, Media, Virtual Currencys.

        We apologize for letting you know about this in such a short nottice, but Plimus acted iresponsibly by letting us know about this just 12 hours ago.

        After thoughtfull consideration of what our action should be, we decided that we should move to a different network, so you as an affiliate and us as merchants we wont lose money in the mean time while the reviewing process is taking place.

        We are already underway in migrate our accounts to a new network AffiliateWire a division of RevenueWire affiliate-wire.com/affiliates Affiliate Signup - AffiliateWire once the migration process is complete, you will be notified promptly. In short we feel Affiliate Wire is the right place for us to grow, you can also expect better conversion rate from AffiliateWire compare to Plimus since it also supports PayPal as payment option.

        We apologize for the inconvenience and we hope we can continue our relationship on a different network.
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  • Profile picture of the author captkev
    I feel for you vendors who relied on Plimus. I was only an affiliate, one that will now have to wait "no more than 30 days" to get the money ($1,200) owed to me from December 1 onwards, for a Games download program.

    While Plimus has every right (and obligation) to protect there business, it is appallingly unprofessional of them to give almost ZERO notice to vendors and affiliates, as they did.

    If I was a vendor in a currently "safe" market, I would advise you do NOT consider Plimus for your business needs, as they have clearly demonstrated a complete lack of regard for their clients.

    Cheers and good luck finding a new suitable platform. (fyi, my vendor went to Regnow.com, no idea if they'll be as bad as Plimus yet.)
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  • Profile picture of the author SaraR
    If anyone is searching for a new platform, here is the answer from FastSpring support.

    Thank you for contacting us, but unfortunately, we don't support Forex related products. We've tried them many times in the past, but they have always yielded high rates of returns and chargebacks from disappointed buyers, and even in some cases, high levels of fraud.

    Keep on searching.
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    • Profile picture of the author cpaul
      Originally Posted by SaraR View Post

      If anyone is searching for a new platform, here is the answer from FastSpring support.

      Thank you for contacting us, but unfortunately, we don't support Forex related products. We've tried them many times in the past, but they have always yielded high rates of returns and chargebacks from disappointed buyers, and even in some cases, high levels of fraud.

      Keep on searching.

      How about regnow or click2sell? Many fx vendors already moved there.
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    • Profile picture of the author poweraff
      Originally Posted by SaraR View Post

      If anyone is searching for a new platform, here is the answer from FastSpring support.

      Thank you for contacting us, but unfortunately, we don't support Forex related products. We've tried them many times in the past, but they have always yielded high rates of returns and chargebacks from disappointed buyers, and even in some cases, high levels of fraud.

      Keep on searching.
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    • Profile picture of the author buyforex
      Originally Posted by SaraR View Post

      If anyone is searching for a new platform, here is the answer from FastSpring support.

      Thank you for contacting us, but unfortunately, we don't support Forex related products. We've tried them many times in the past, but they have always yielded high rates of returns and chargebacks from disappointed buyers, and even in some cases, high levels of fraud.

      Keep on searching.
      Hi,

      I am in the same situation, I need an alternative to Plimus to accept credit cards, paypal and manage affiliates. Have you found a solution? Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    Aren't they accepting new ones? Because I see plenty of Forex vendors in their market place.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Hi

    If Plimus is doing this because the credit card companies are not covering the transactions, then moving to another source isn't going to help. Unless they use something besides AMEX, Mastercard, Visa or PayPal.

    Clickbank isn't going to allow FOREX products either if Visa won't cover the sales.

    Mahlon
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    • Profile picture of the author askloz
      They are accepting them, they just dont accept robots any more.

      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post


      Clickbank isn't going to allow FOREX products either if Visa won't cover the sales.

      Mahlon
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      Hi

      If Plimus is doing this because the credit card companies are not covering the transactions, then moving to another source isn't going to help. Unless they use something besides AMEX, Mastercard, Visa or PayPal.

      Clickbank isn't going to allow FOREX products either if Visa won't cover the sales.

      Mahlon
      Exactly.

      Whilst I can't speak for the level of customer service Plimus are providing in relation to this situation, moving to a new payment provider and assuming to be safe is a false assumption.

      It's the card companies who are ultimately dictating these rules and I seen no reason why the rules won't eventually be rolled out across every payment provider.
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      • Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        Exactly.

        Whilst I can't speak for the level of customer service Plimus are providing in relation to this situation, moving to a new payment provider and assuming to be safe is a false assumption.

        It's the card companies who are ultimately dictating these rules and I seen no reason why the rules won't eventually be rolled out across every payment provider.
        Refund and charge back rate from forex vendors is traditionally higher. Even when you offer high-quality product. Temporary draw down....more refunds. Basic knowledge required to set up the system....more refunds.

        However, I know my numbers are more than ok (specially for the forex niche) and the PSP (http://www.sagepay.com/),i talked today with confirmed that as well. I also asked them about new requirements from CC providers, and they did not know about any new rules regarding forex or media-related products.

        I don't think it is connected with refund or charge back rate. If it were so, they could have sorted out vendors what do not fit. However, they kicked out all (as far I know) and now Vendors and Affiliates stand in the rain.

        And what a surprise....it all happens just days before they should pay out!
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    • Profile picture of the author metaarticles
      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      Hi

      If Plimus is doing this because the credit card companies are not covering the transactions, then moving to another source isn't going to help. Unless they use something besides AMEX, Mastercard, Visa or PayPal.

      Clickbank isn't going to allow FOREX products either if Visa won't cover the sales.

      Mahlon
      Well Said Mahlon
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      • Profile picture of the author LazyMarketer
        Originally Posted by metaarticles View Post

        Well Said Mahlon
        I fail to understand this. If a CC Company decides not to accept payments for Product X, then why would Plimus even need to terminate this product?

        The transactions will not occur with Visa anyway....so there will not be any penalty to Plimus, or anyone for that matter. Why not let the other CC companies who WILL CONTINUE to allow payments keep proccessing? Where's the damn issue here?

        Because....if AMEX still allows a payment, or whoever, simply let the customer either use AMEX or simply choose not to buy the product. Simple fix. No problem from Visa, they simply deny a purchase, no harm, no foul. Customer finds another way to buy, or they don't buy it.
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  • Profile picture of the author swingin4dafence
    Unbelievable and scary.

    My question is why Plimus has chosen to take this course in this fashion. It is a great litmus test of just what kind of business they really are. ALL of their customers should take NOTE that this could just as easily happen to them - at a whim -any time.

    Everybody, please recognize that the Credit Card companies and banks are all becoming very draconian because they are (a) largely evil scum suckers that will put people like Sara out on the streets without blinking at the drop of a hat, and (b) flailing around desperately to maximize profits under new regulations while desperate to comply with the stringent requirements in effect.

    NOTE that other CC merchants have NOT acted like PLIMUS even though MC/VISA have certainly sent them the exact same notifications. PLIMUS just took the low road.


    Sara - Will you let us know which provider you end up with?
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    • Profile picture of the author captkev
      I think this says it all, for prospective, and unaffected existing clients, of Plimus:

      From their email to vendors:

      "...Affected market segments include, but are not limited to, the following:

      - Online auctions
      - Foreign Exchange (FOREX)-related products
      - Media
      - Poker chips and other virtual currency
      ........."


      That pretty much says it all about their heavy handed tactics. Stay away from Plimus!
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    • Profile picture of the author askloz
      The problem is, Plimus.com uses Paypals API payment gateway, its not an act from plimus but rather paypal enforcing these stupid rules... they claim that the refund rates are really high; no thanks to these a-holes who abuse the internet and rip off people... which drove up the refund rates...

      personally my refund rates have been less than 8%, which is kinda unheard of in the fx industry, the standard is about 25-35% refund rate.

      Originally Posted by swingin4dafence View Post

      Unbelievable and scary.

      My question is why Plimus has chosen to take this course in this fashion. It is a great litmus test of just what kind of business they really are. ALL of their customers should take NOTE that this could just as easily happen to them - at a whim -any time.

      Everybody, please recognize that the Credit Card companies and banks are all becoming very draconian because they are (a) largely evil scum suckers that will put people like Sara out on the streets without blinking at the drop of a hat, and (b) flailing around desperately to maximize profits under new regulations while desperate to comply with the stringent requirements in effect.

      NOTE that other CC merchants have NOT acted like PLIMUS even though MC/VISA have certainly sent them the exact same notifications. PLIMUS just took the low road.


      Sara - Will you let us know which provider you end up with?
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  • Profile picture of the author SaraR
    Yes, I will surely keep you informed.

    I am here shocked right now. Just see the message from Plimus I got -

    The suspension will last indefinitely – that is to say, there is not much of a chance that your account (or any other vendor that fell under the stipulated high risk categories) will be reactivated again.

    · We cannot provide you with more time – as you can tell by the swiftness of this action, this decision was made in order to respond to an urgent need to comply with our processors.


    I am thinking about going to court... I am just shocked. As for regnow or click2sel - haven't found the details I need - I mentioned them above in the message #17.

    I need the platform to support 30 days refund period with the possibility to open the disputes as they have it at Plimus, and to be allowed to have few web-pages registered to the 1 account.
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  • Profile picture of the author 0oo0
    What do they mean by "media"? That is pretty broad
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    • Originally Posted by 0oo0 View Post

      What do they mean by "media"? That is pretty broad
      Hehe, yes, I was just going to ask the same thing.

      Does that mean video courses? Or something else?
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      • Profile picture of the author askloz
        Yup, my daily trading system forex course has like 153 videos in it...

        I asked them that mines a forex course, not some crappy $97 robot that dont work, or a bunch of strategies, etc... its a full on forex course, they said it doesnt matter, anything forex related is being removed, period

        Originally Posted by InternetSuccess001 View Post


        Does that mean video courses? Or something else?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Gordon
    This is why I have never though of and will never use Plimus.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    SaraR, how about the blocked funds, did they say when are they going to be released?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ilse
    Too many scams in the forex niche...
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  • Profile picture of the author TrafficBot
    What plimus is doing is what clickbank did back in august 2011. They are cleaning up their marketplace due to high refund/chargeback rates for certain products. Alot of the forex stuff out there is JUNK so plimus doesnt want to lose their account status with the big payment processors like visa, mastercard, etc. They are covering their A**.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    They said they suspended my account but when I try to login it says "invalid username and password". I can process my refunds, I can't see the account status anymore, nothing, as if it never existed. Are they stealing our money?
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  • Profile picture of the author shabtay
    Guys... look at the positive side... this move will clean up many scammers
    in the forex niche and there would be much more room (and money) for us
    (people who create good products)

    Just move to another network and keep up the good work...
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    • Profile picture of the author kampester
      Originally Posted by shabtay View Post

      Guys... look at the positive side... this move will clean up many scammers
      in the forex niche and there would be much more room (and money) for us
      (people who create good products)

      Just move to another network and keep up the good work...

      So true...! The Forex fraud only creates a greater vacuum for those who can survive the purge!

      Hang' in there!
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  • Profile picture of the author kevintg1
    This was not just forex, books for ipads, moves for ipads etc
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  • Profile picture of the author anonymous1
    Some forex and media sites are still up with plimus such as\

    cinema on demand
    buyforexsignals


    so frankly your refunds were just too high.
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    • While cleaning up is a good thing, what Plimus is doing here is highly unethical. My account was in very good standing (low refund, super low charge back rate) and right now the account is dead.

      >No E-Mail
      >No Call
      >Account Manager don't pick up the phone and don't call back
      >No access to Plimus platform and data

      All i know right now is what i read on forums and other vendors tell me. How nice is that?

      This is already the second time i have a major problem with them.

      First time they claimed that something was wrong with the bank details what was not the case but a good reason to send the money one month later.

      If you sell with Plimus you can expect any surprise at any time and you will never know they pay you and your affiliates or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    I'm thinking of a way to fight back if they don't honor their promise to start release funds on February 15. If they don't do that, it means they are thinking of stealing our money: no email, no call, nothing, no account access, they can do whatever they want with our funds without us having the possibility to see the account status.

    I'll just instruct all my customers to ask for refunds or chargeback because I'll give the software for free. I have more than 500 customers, if all vendors will do the same then Visa and Mastercard will shut the *******s down because of a very high chargeback rate.

    If I'm going to lose my hard earned money, I'll make sure they don't get away with it easily. This is not the way of doing business especially if you call yourself a big company.
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    • Profile picture of the author tommysimpson
      Originally Posted by cpaul View Post

      I'm thinking of a way to fight back if they don't honor their promise to start release funds on February 15. If they don't do that, it means they are thinking of stealing our money: no email, no call, nothing, no account access, they can do whatever they want with our funds without us having the possibility to see the account status.

      I'll just instruct all my customers to ask for refunds or chargeback because I'll give the software for free. I have more than 500 customers, if all vendors will do the same then Visa and Mastercard will shut the *******s down because of a very high chargeback rate.

      If I'm going to lose my hard earned money, I'll make sure they don't get away with it easily. This is not the way of doing business especially if you call yourself a big company.
      I cannot even get in to cancel my account, and no reply to emails, threats etc.. This sounds like something I would like to help with. If you start taking action, let me know....
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      • Profile picture of the author egyptsoul
        Hi guys
        I see that we are all victim of crooked company "Plimus"
        These guys never got a single chargeback from me and very small number of refunds in the period of the 30 days MBG.

        My balance there was around $4500 same for my affiliate..On 15th of Feb. they emailed both of us telling us our payment plane .. Simply outrages .. After the 30 days till 15th of Feb. they informed us that they are going to send us our money drop by drop and penny by penny in period of 6 months exposing my funds to any refund request in a minute without even asking me...Then they contact me informing me that they took care of the client issue...How dare they?
        Sometimes I thought that they refund any client once he say "Hi".

        I managed to ask couple of my clients to issue a refund to save some of my money with them and they did it in a minute.

        My share this month out of $4500 is only $225..
        I'm requesting full release for my funds or I'm going to take an action to be sure that they will never do that to anybody again..That's if they didn't get out of business.
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  • Profile picture of the author husla3x
    With my account it just moved the commission from this month amount over to the money owed to me for this month side of the page. The yesterday, today stats have been zeroed. I refreshed the page and blam the money I made today and yesterday was all moved to the left into the "what we owe you column.

    I think they are keeping the money from sales simply because I had many visitors that never showed up on the Plimus "stats" page after the above happened. I know of one sale for over $1000 that happened n my account yesterday and it never raised the money that I am supposed to get in 30 days. Thats a pretty stron indicator that all sales during the "evaluation" period will go to plimus - weak. I was with the guy when he ordered and recieved the item - No change in my account, not even a "traffic" line to show he was there. They kept my $600+ commission for that sale.

    Don't know what to do right now - more truth would be to say I dread doing what I have to do right now. Much research and coding. 16 hour days here I comes.....
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    • Profile picture of the author philhunter
      The worst part about this is they are also not paying AFFILIATES that promoted those products either, they announced 4 days before payday that affiliates would not be receiving there paycheck for up to 30 days.

      What kind of a company is this? If they didn't want affiliates promoting these kind of products then they should have removed them from there platform, not said 4 days before payday that you aren't getting paid because you promoted a product (that we approved and has been on the plimus system for years) but now we don't like them any more.

      Clickbank would never screw the affiliates like that because they know that the affiliates are the heart of the business they would have taken the hit themselves (if there was one) I'm 100% sure of it.

      Also what a joke the plimus rep is that has posted above, why bother coming here to copy and paste virtually the same thing that everyone already received.

      I'm sorry to say but since plimus has been sold I think it was bought by a bunch of monkeys that have absolutely no business sense whatsoever, I for one will never use this unprofessional outfit again.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    Things might be worse than that, neither of us will see the funds again.
    If they don't release some of the funds on February 15, it means that they are going to run away with the money. Only 2 things left to be done:

    1. Sue plimus

    2. Ask all customers to issue refunds/chargeback, that would hurt them real bad. If I won't get my money, they won't get them either. Besides that CC associations will shut them down for a great volume of chargebacks and scam compliants.

    Let's see if they are going to keep their word and release the funds.
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    • Profile picture of the author resdev4d
      So have any of you guys got paid by Plimus , they sent me a payment report for the money they owe me but still no payment.. I read the are being sued for the fake unlimited movie download sites . So I guess we need to sue as well before all the money has gone
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    Alexander, you are absolutely right, that's why I smell scam here, they are planning to go away with the money. I'll wait until February 15 and if they don't release my funds I'll just instruct all my customers to issue chargebacks and they can keep the software for free.

    My refund rate was 7% (unusually low for fx industry) and no chargebacks at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    That's not too surprising, the niche has a really high refund rate and merchant accounts don't like processing refunds for obvious reasons.
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  • Just found this thread after receiving the same email from Plimus.

    What they have done is effectively theft/fraud.

    They owe us a six figure sum and have just pulled our account after 3 years of problem free service and a low chargeback rate, less than 1%.

    If they don't pay any money by Feb 15 we'll email all of our customers for the past 2 years and URGE them to chargeback. We'll even provide instructions on how to do it!

    If you're reading this Plimus, be prepared for over $2M in chargebacks.

    We are now scrambling to find another processor and they've completely screwed up our cash flow.

    Our customers do not care that we're having problems with Plimus, they want their products immediately.

    I feel a class action may be brewing as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author anonymous1
      Just today they announced the re-integration of paypal. Looks like paypal didn't like your products and they removed you rather than give you the option to not use paypal.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    MarketingDude2213, that is exactly my line of action. If we don't receive payments as promised, on February 15, I'll give away my software for free and instruct all my customers to chargeback and I'll email all vendors I know to do the same.
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    • Profile picture of the author anonymous1
      Its not a good idea to get all your customers to chargeback, if you end up with a negative balance to plimus they'll take you to collections.
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      • Originally Posted by anonymous1 View Post

        Its not a good idea to get all your customers to chargeback, if you end up with a negative balance to plimus they'll take you to collections.
        Plimus can take us to collections if they wish, I really don't care.

        As I have already said, if Plimus DON'T pay, what they are doing is THEFT. We will not just sit here and accept theft from our business. Consequences will follow if they choose that course of action.

        I'm not sure who you are "anonymous1" but I am going to assume you work for Plimus because there really is no reason for Plimus to be defended in this situation.

        Yes, they have the right to pick and choose who they work with to maintain the integrity of their business. But, we signed contracts, they approved our business and we used them to process our payments.

        Giving us 48 hours notice that ours and others accounts would be suspended is completely unacceptable and doing it just before a payment date makes me believe even more that they have no intention of paying money owed to vendors/affiliates.

        In response to your other post about PayPal not liking vendors businesses is completely irrelevant. We didn't sign any contracts with PayPal and they have absolutely no say in this matter.

        This is all about Plimus and their unprofessional, bordering on criminal, behavior.
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        • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
          Originally Posted by MarketingDude2213 View Post

          In response to your other post about PayPal not liking vendors businesses is completely irrelevant. We didn't sign any contracts with PayPal and they have absolutely no say in this matter.
          The people who run Plimus likely don't care what you sell, Forex or otherwise. All they really care about is getting their money as painlessly as possible. The problem is that the banks who do their processing do care and Plimus has to do what they tell them to do or they risk losing their processing. If you think PayPal has no say then you are very mistaken.
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          • Nope, I am not mistaken, PayPal has absolutely no say in this.

            Plimus emailed all vendors late last year and gave ample notice that PayPal was no longer going to be supported by them and that any vendors who wish to continue using PayPal must use their own account.

            We don't use and don't want to use PayPal and had no issue with them removing it.

            Yes, the banks who do their processing are completely entitled to dictate who Plimus process payments for.

            The issue here is that Plimus gave vendors 48 hours notice. I highly doubt their processing bank gave Plimus 48 hours notice.
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            • Profile picture of the author anonymous1
              man up about it, you got screwed. i've had the same sh1t from paypal and clickbank, alertpay, swreg, 2co. thats the industry for you.

              other forex products are still on plimus so apparently there was no issues with them.

              go blackhat if you can't keep it up legitimately.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    If they don't pay as promised on February 15, it means they have no intention to pay us anymore. If someone sues them for that he/she would win for sure as the prejudice they created by suspending those accounts without a fair warning is huge. Besides that, they violated our right to see the account status at any time as no one can login anymore. I have no chargebacks at all and a very low refund rate.
    Considering the above, I don't think they would sue someone for not paying for a negative balance. If they do that, they would lose.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    Many forex products are being sold using paypal directly so paypal has nothing to do with that. Clickbank still allows forex products, I see plenty of them on their marketplace. So does click2sell and regnow I see hundreads (most of them are junk) in their marketplaces.

    Other forex products are still on plimus just because they doesn't contain the word "forex" in their title or description, I've checked them all.
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    • Profile picture of the author anonymous1
      Originally Posted by cpaul View Post

      Many forex products are being sold using paypal directly so paypal has nothing to do with that. Clickbank still allows forex products, I see plenty of them on their marketplace. So does click2sell and regnow I see hundreads (most of them are junk) in their marketplaces.

      Other forex products are still on plimus just because they doesn't contain the word "forex" in their title or description, I've checked them all.

      you must be blind.

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      .
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      • Profile picture of the author cpaul
        Originally Posted by anonymous1 View Post

        you must be blind.

        24 GOOD VIBRATIONS Forex Technique
        Satellite TV Cube
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        and much more still active


        .

        They didn't raise suspicions because they didn't have any sales, or they had a very small number of purchases. I have another account with plimus, forex related product, with 97 purchases so far and 5 refunds. It's still up.

        They are shutting down big players only. Those products you've just mentioned, they would be soon removed on a second suspensions wave.

        The damage has been done, all we care now is whether we can find another reliable processor, and of course, the safety of our funds at plimus. We'll see what happens on February 15, not much left to be said until then.
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      • Originally Posted by anonymous1 View Post

        you must be blind.

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        and much more still active


        .
        HAHA, yeah, because these websites are completely legitimate.

        Fake iPhone unlockers and paid subscriptions to watch copyrighted movies are the bottom of the barrel for scum webmasters trying to make a quick buck.

        And the only reason these vendors weren't shut down yet, is because their revenue isn't that good.

        Plimus are just a glorified merchant account. It's as simple as that. They aren't the next PayPal and never will be.
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        • Profile picture of the author husla3x
          I don't get it. There are 4 or 5 new forex products in the plimus marketplace and the system is still tracking forex signals and forex EA's (robots) for my account. All the options training systems are no longer there but the forex products are. I think the big thing was Kris Kunnundro because those are the only products gone from the marketplace - Makes no sense any other way.
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          • Profile picture of the author autotrader
            Hello to everyone! We was one of the decent forex vendors in Plimus and our accounts was closed two days after the notification. We have many pleased clients and very low refund rate and almost none chargebacks. We was amassed how Plimus treat their correct and profitable partners. I really think that Plimus will realize soon how huge is this fiasco. Let all vendors over the world be warned that Plimus are everything but not a reliable business partner.
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            • Profile picture of the author chris69
              yeah well there are many more networks accepting even worse type of products and credit card companies are doing nothing about it. you can buy fake generic Viagra with any credit card but its ok. now suddenly the credit card companies have joined up just to pick on plimus? they wouldn't the are competing on a heavy scale. its all about the money.

              that doesn't make any sense at all. fined millions per a transaction? imagine how many of these products you can order off the home shopping networks that make false promises and imagine their charge backs. if it were true they would be all out of business.

              if there is offshore high risk merchant accounts still running why don't they get into any trouble.
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              • Profile picture of the author forexking
                Hi Chaps

                Plimus made this ****.

                Let's make some plan for them to close down and I am planning to sue them. We need to gather all the forex and other vendors and then do course of action.

                Not only Plimus but lets try to get some data from Corporate registry and sue their owners personally and Black list their owners names here in Forums and everywhere.

                I will gather more ideas in time to come.

                I would not wait anything after that.

                You know we have all the records for all the emails for Sales, please do not delete, this is Sufficient and coroborate evidence.

                Also we can sue them our earnings which we are losing.

                Regds

                Forex King
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      • Profile picture of the author chris69
        Originally Posted by anonymous1 View Post

        you must be blind.

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        and much more still active


        .


        I am one of the owners of one of these products. plimus hasn't deactivated the payment gateway but the funds are not getting paid. plimus is lying about the credit card companies as every other network has not herd of these "new rules" .


        Plimus was bought by monkeys a few months back now they are screwing all the companies that have been there years. the main reason they are holding the funds is because charge backs and they don't want a negative balance in the account. i have had very low refunds though on my product all the clients are happy because it really works.

        There are may scam products on the network yes but that is plimus's responsibility to approve the products. I am not receiving one cent of the money that is due. and there response is all copy and paste emails. i suggest all the vendors on plimus should move their products to other networks asap.


        This is unethical business practices. if you look at the market place the first product is a forex product. I am not a lawyer but i think is is illegal. i was charged handling fees even though i didn't get paid a cent. this is very bad because i am relying on the money monthly and this may ruin me.

        clickbank will never do this and no affiliate that is affected will trust plimus ever again. hope they shut down and i will run a heavy anti plimus marketing campaign just because i can. this is bs.

        They also mention they might pay me the next payment cycle. which i doubt. the email said not more than 30 days but it will be 32 in days if they do which is already lying. they becoming a dodgy network.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ilse
    I never experienced any problems selling my forex products directly through Paypal.
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    • Profile picture of the author cpaul
      Originally Posted by Ilse View Post

      I never experienced any problems selling my forex products directly through Paypal.
      What is your refund/disputes rate?
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  • I hope Plimus will pay on Feb 15th, what would you do if Plimus refuse to payout?
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    • Profile picture of the author philhunter
      Originally Posted by AffiliateAffiliate View Post

      I hope Plimus will pay on Feb 15th, what would you do if Plimus refuse to payout?
      Its been said above, people will contact customers telling them how to do a chargeback on there product or initiate a class action lawsuit.

      Personally I think they will pay because if they don't there as good as finished.

      No one will ever trust or use them again if they can decide on a whim at any time that they don't like your product and refuse to pay you out.

      Also I'm pretty sure they would not be allowed to do this legally, maybe they could refund all the transactions at a push but even then that means they have given your product away for free without your consent but actually keeping the money is theft and as they have at least one base in the U.S I highly doubt they would try that.

      The only thing they hinted at in the email was if visa and mastercard would honour the payments and if they don't then you can kiss goodbye to it I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    Good point Phil, but I highly doubt that visa and mastercard won't honor the existing payments, people have paid and the product has been delivered. Beside that, there was no official announcement from their side whatsoever that they won't allow forex related products anymore. Even more, why paypal and clickbank are still accepting them in spite of their high refund rate?

    I know exactly why: on clickbank people get refunded in no time while with plimus one has to wait for weeks. Plimus has a high number of chargebacks and has been warned by cc association. They have decided to do something about it, but they did it like a no brainer would.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevintg1
    1st of January they shut down my pad media, then i did a search to find out what that site was up to, and found it here, https://flippa.com/2680938-over-1-mi...ded-in-auction

    take a look and read QA and this one
    Hello,
    You could use PayDotcom, Paypal, E-Junkie, Google Checkout, Click2Sell, and you could also research into using a high risk merchant account that online drug stores use. There are plenty of opportunities. Since I have a good relationship with Plimus management, I will try get the deadline extended to the end of this auction, so hopefully I will not have to change during this time.
    Thanks


    So Plimus new all the time they where shuting him down, then told me on 1st january
    then keep all my money,
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  • Profile picture of the author ak2000
    They also seem to be treating accounts differently.

    I had 3 Plimus accounts - all have had payments suspended but:

    Account 1 (vendor) - payments "suspended" until May (see full message here http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5405656) and no access to the system

    Account 2 (vendor) - payments "suspended" for 30 days and no access to the system either

    Account 3 (affiliate) - payments "suspended" for 30 days and access to the system still

    Makes no sense whatsoever...what these guys are doing is plain illegal. Won't touch Plimus with a barge pole, ever (other than in court, of course )
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    The funny thing is that on their marketplace the top ten product recommend by plimus are forex products!

    I finally got a phone number: 1-866-312-7733, EXT.5
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    Chris, these are exactly my thoughts. I've emailed some other PSP and they know nothing about these "new regulations" imposed by visa and mastercard plimus keeps talking about.

    If they don't pay on February 15, I'll instruct all my customers to chargeback, and I'll email all vendors to do the same, we have nothing to lose anyway but their loss would be much bigger as they'll be shut down by credit card associations.
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  • Well we'll see what happens on February 15.

    If you're reading this Plimus, if you don't pay what people are owed by Feb 15, expect a ton of chargebacks, law suits and a few Plimus Scam websites to be setup which will have no other purpose apart from exposing your illegal behavior and underhand tactics.

    You have been warned.
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    • Profile picture of the author vendor
      Plimus will be removing these products as they feel
      the risk of having them is greater than their potential profit.
      They claim that they can be fined in the millions by CC companies
      per transaction for transactions of fraudulent or shady vendors
      hence for the good of keeping their company alive they are doing this move.

      I spoke to a clickbank rep(one that knows what he is talking about) and he told me that as far as he knows clickbank got no such warning.

      I am not happy with how Plimus is treating their affiliates and vendors
      and feel it is unprofessional boardring in criminal, this behaviour
      on their side is like shooting themselves in both legs(if not the head).

      I have some contact details of individuals at plimus i can share:
      Steve Kucklinca | Sales Development Manager
      Office: 1 (408) 454-5687| Skype: steve_k09
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    I wander if CC Associations know about those claims made in their names. Or they just warned plimus only?
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  • Profile picture of the author forexking
    Guys please see list of their key clients and key clients contacts who posted comments at

    Clients Testimonials, Sell Online, Ecommerce Software Company | Plimus

    I have given below list of key clients who posted comments, we can circulate all these forums links etc so these big companies could take over business from Plimus.

    Bill Fawcett
    Dir, North American Distribution
    Autodesk®, Inc


    Phil Schnyder
    Director of Business Development
    Avanquest Software

    Christopher Hennebery
    VP of Software Distribution
    Yummy Interactive


    Hila Ovil-Brener
    CEO
    WhiteSmoke

    Janna Chelsy
    Sales Manager
    Eltima Software

    Amit Gilon
    Senior Vice President Business Development
    Ginger Software

    Ronan Kavanagh
    CEO
    SpamTitan

    Ronen Carmona
    CTO & Co-Founder
    IMScouting Ltd.

    Gal Darom
    COO
    Ekoloko

    Eran Savir
    Co-Founder and VP Business Development
    Kampyle Ltd.


    Lior Libman
    Chief Operating Officer
    One Hour Translation

    I think we need to collate all links for key forums and then circulate to these companies.


    Also these are the people in Plimus management:

    Matthew T. Vettel
    Chairman

    Christopher M. Busby

    Nicholas R. Cayer

    Hagai Tal
    CEO

    We will see, if they will not open access to our accounts in a day or 2 then we will start further action.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    I've contacted them and they said no suspended account will ever be active again, however all accounts will be reviewed for payments on February 15. I'll wait until then. If they don't pay we'll do what's necessary to get our funds back and shut them down.

    1. Sue them
    2. Instruct all our customers to chargeback or refund
    3. Setup a lot of plimus scam sites
    4. All the above

    But let's wait till February 15..

    @kindsvater,
    Most of us were selling software, not signals and advices. They allowed them for years and they still do for some vendors. On their marketplace top 10 products are forex products and they are recommended by plimus!
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  • Profile picture of the author ak2000
    For those of you who can still log into their accounts have you seen an increase in refunds?

    I log into my account every morning and all I see are refunds...

    The sales having dried up due to most vendor accounts being closed and I guess as most vendors can't log in to process refunds anymore all refund requests are refunded automatically with no chance for the vendor trying to solve it with an alternate solution

    This is excruciating...

    1. Not only they keep our cash for anything between 1 month to 3.5 months...

    2. Not only they shut down a platform a lot of vendors (including me) unfortunately relied on...

    3. But we have to sit and watch our funds being depleted just because they decide to shut access to the system!

    Not a lawyer but confident if we took them to court they would be in serious trouble.
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  • Profile picture of the author maafee
    Plimus stopped paypal processing few days back, look like they are rebuilding their system
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    15 is coming, I wonder if they are going to pay.
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    • Profile picture of the author mharry
      i am wondering how come other payment processing is not affected by this like clickbank,
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      • Profile picture of the author MarcWalton
        Hi, I have promoted some forex products via plimus and am still awaiting payment from sales in October! I spoke with an insider who told me the company were sick of the refunds & more importantly the charge backs from the credit card companies. Also that they were looking to go "up market" - if you are selling any products in smaller niche markets be careful and at the very least consider opening a n other vendor account as a fall back. What they did to the vendors was disgusting and if they did it once they clearly won't care about doing it again?

        The charge backs were in my opinion Plimus own fault. They threw as many hurdles as possible in the way of those who wanted a refund and in the end those wishing to cancel had no alternative but to go to their credit card companies. Eventually their reputation for being awkward and difficult over refunds meant that a lot of forex forum folk simply went straight for a charge back THAT hurts a vendors relationship with the credit card companies.

        They decided to get out and did so with no prior notice which as you have seen on here has cost a lot of people both money, stress and possible long term damage to their businesses.

        I have a number of forex sites that subscribers pay via clickbank. Our refund rate is currently less than 1% which is awesome but I was obviously concerned when plimus announced that their actions were because of the credit card companies & rumours flew that all marketplaces would drop forex products. Clickbank assure me that they have no intention to follow suit & hopefully the more reputable vendors will survive, but its a concern & I am currently looking to open an account with click2sell after recommendations from a few associates, Marc
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    You are awaiting payment from sales in October?? How come they didn't pay you on November/December 15?
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    • Profile picture of the author MarcWalton
      Hi Cpaul, because plimus did some major launches of some poor forex products and got hit, ie they paid affiliates after the 30 days BUT there were chargebacks from the credit card companies up to 100 days, they have withheld payments for 100 days for the last 6 months. Needless to say I have promoted nothing new with them and am just waiting for the payments. However they may sting me again! If your account is inactive for a certain period they start to charge you a monthly fee! So as Novembers sales were only $100 and I have done nothing since are they going to charge me/rip me off? It wouldn't surprise me. I have never used them to sell my own products and would advise any affiliate or vendor to tread carefully with them for reasons stated in my post above, best of luck, Marc
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    Hi Marc, thanks for your reply, what they have just done to vendors is an outrage! Not to mention that we are not able to login to our accounts anymore, they are simply refunding any customer even for asking a question using plimus support form!

    I don't advise anyone here doing business with them anymore, clickbank would have never done that to vendors and affiliates!
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    • Profile picture of the author MarcWalton
      Hi Cpaul, I couldn't possibly agree with you just now as I am still hoping they will pay me. If that ever arrives THEN I will say what I really believe about them! Marc
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      • Profile picture of the author MarketTrader
        Folks, I am a Forex vendor at Plimus and got suspended too..


        The reason why this whole suspension deal does not make any sense for me what so ever, is because it came without a warning and just a few days before their system starts printing the numbers for new paychecks (which happens every 14th-15th of every month)


        It is painfully obvious that Plimus has not given any warnings about this step to squeeze every last penny out of vendors who work in one of plimus no-longer-allowed niches.


        And the reason for that in my opinion is one of the following:


        1) to just make the most percentage out of these niches before banning them.


        2) to make as much money as they can out of keeping YOUR money in the bank to feed on the monthly interest for as long as they can..


        3) to just take as much money before they shut down and run away because all of these niches which they have banned at once and all on a sudden are (and in my opinion) the most selling and money producing niches for Plimus.


        The more these guys delay the payments the more odds will fall into number "2" and "3".


        so if they do not "ATLEAST" make a partial payment THIS month to some of us then ALL odds will go to number "3" and we really should take an early legal action against this all together before it is too late.


        Anyone knows what legal steps we can do in this situation?
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  • Profile picture of the author magneticweb
    I sympathise with everyone here who has had their account at Plimus closed or suspended. I can, however, see why Forex related products have fallen out of favour with many people (though credit card companies aren't exactly saints when it comes to safeguarding people against losing their money).

    A few years ago I spent some time studying the Forex market, opening a dummy account to see if I could trade successfully and earn money with it, buying several courses on it and so on. What I learned was quite disturbing.

    The vast majority of people who try and earn money by trading in the Forex market lose it all within 6 months or less. Although this market is huge and supposedly too big to manipulate, it is actually manipulated by the 20 or so largest banks in the world for their own profit.

    These banks have traders working for them who are seasoned professionals who have been trading for years, and they have capital of millions to back up their trades. They can ride the volatility of the Forex markets by setting large stop loss positions and "riding out the storm" when a trade goes against them, until they are back into profit.

    Against them, the new trader, even armed with the latest "robot" or "magic" system has no chance, especially when most of the "experts" advise them to trade with tight stop losses. It's like thinking you can cross a stormy ocean in a raft just because you have an on-board computer. The big banks are powering across in a liner. And they have computers too.

    The cost in human tragedy can be very high. Many new traders are over-confident, having been told how easy it is to make a fortune in this business, and when they get into trouble they often try and trade their way back into profit, with devastating results.

    It's clear that the only money to be made (other than by the big banks) in Forex is by people selling Forex products to unsuspecting would-be Forex traders. There may be one or two new traders every once in a while who do manage to trade successfully, but they are a tiny minority.

    That's why I withdrew completely from the Forex market, both as a trader and as a seller of Forex-related products (I wrote some PLR for the Forex market a couple of years ago).

    Yes, it has the glamour and the razzmatazz that so many other niches don't have, but that's all it does have. It really is, in my opinion, absolute poison.

    My advice, for what it is worth, is to avoid it like the plague, both as a would-be trader and as a seller of it's various courses, ebooks, etc. Keep your money and your conscience intact.

    Sorry if this goes against the grain to many posters on this thread, but I felt I had to make this point.
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    • Profile picture of the author dandate2
      Plimus Scam Class Action Lawsuit
      By Matt O'Donnell

      A federal class action lawsuit claims online marketing company Plimus and its parent company Great Hill Partners defraud customers with phony reviews designed to trick them into paying for “lifetime access” to material that’s already free on the Internet.

      “Defendants, in conjunction with third parties, actively promote and profit from an array of websites that purport to offer unlimited access to downloadable digital goods, such as eBooks, movies, TV shows, and video games, all for a low one-time fee,” the Plimus class action lawsuit states. “For this one-time fee, Plimus represents that consumers will receive lifetime access to thousands of digital goods, including bestselling books, newly released movies, current TV shows, and brand new video in games. In reality, these websites do not, in any manner, offer products in the manner advertised.”

      According to the Plimus class action lawsuit, Plimus’ marketing campaigns include the “mass production of fabricated consumer reviews, testimonials and fake blogs that are all intended to deceive consumers seeking a legitimate product and induce them to pay. Yet, after consumers pay for access to any of these digital goods websites, they quickly realize that the promotional materials and representations were blatantly false.

      The Plimus scam class action lawsuit is brought on behalf of all persons in the United States who paid a fee through Plimus to access any of the Unlimited Download Websites found on page 4 of the class action lawsuit document. It is asking the Court award restitution to Class Members, as well as all economic, monetary, actual, consequential, statutory and compensatory damages caused by the Defendants’ conduct.

      A copy of the Plimus Scam Class Action Lawsuit can be read here.

      The case is Kimberly Yordy v. Plimus, Inc. and Great Hill Partners, LLC, Case No. 12-cv-0229, U.S. District Court, Northern District of California.
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    Let's see if they are going to pay us 2 days from now. If not, they are thieves and I'll take them to court.
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  • Profile picture of the author Plimus
    Hi All,

    Leore from Plimus here.

    As mentioned before, we do recognize that the recent announcement concerning accounts represents a significant business challenge and apologize for the inconvenience of the account suspensions for those identified as selling online auctions, Foreign Exchange (FOREX) and related products, Media and Poker chips and other virtual currency.

    We are carefully reviewing each one of your accounts to try and release the max amount of funds for each vendor. You'll all receive a detailed email with your payout plan tomorrow which will include the status of your February payout and the reserve plan for the next couple of months.

    If you have any questions or concerns, please contact Plimus' Vendor Support.

    Regards,
    Leore
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  • Profile picture of the author ak2000
    Hi Leore and the rest of the Plimus "crew",

    Your message above is very generic and doesn't say much on what is an already disastrous situation caused and borderline legal. The only reason I haven't sued you (yet potentially) is that I'm not based in the US and have better (and more profitable) things to do with my time (but we have a lawyer on the case).

    I just received 2 payment "reports" ("refunds" reports more exactly) from 2 different accounts of mine:

    - Why has 100% of the amount been added to "reserve"??? PAY THE F****ING MONEY!

    Not only you already held it for longer than agreed but now you're refusing to pay it???
    As opposed to you, we are running a SERIOUS businesses with PROFESSIONAL people who need and deserve to be paid on a regular basis and we (rightly so) count on those funds to pay them, us and sustain our families

    - This is a small thing compared to the massive mess you created...BUT why am I being charged a "wire transfer fee" for the second time if it's the SECOND time you don't pay the money you owe us?
    In other words, not only you don't pay the money for a second time in a row, but you STILL charge us for the "wire transfer fee" - MOCKERY!

    (Everyone else, do you have the same charge in your statement?)

    This looks like the final mockery in what is one of the worst demonstrations of business conduct

    Sincerely,
    An outraged former and never-to-be-again Plimus user
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  • Profile picture of the author cpaul
    ak2000,

    I have received exactly the same report. 100% of the amount added to reserve. I'm not US based also, but I'm gonna sue them, I'll have a lawyer on the case starting today, this is pure mockery and I'm not going to accept it.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarcWalton
    Hi Leore, your comment & presence here is purely to try salvage Plimus reputation (good luck with that - NOT). The fact that Plimus have decided to ditch forex products is not an issue, any company has the right to sell whatever they wish HOWEVER the problem here is your complete and utter disregard for those of us who acted in good faith and sold products that you originally deemed to be good ones. A decent company would have bitten the bullet, paid out what they owed and moved on, but your companies behaviour is despicable. Anyone considering selling anything via Plimus take warning, this company does not give a sh*t about its clients and is utterly untrustworthy. Today I have recieved $38 and your crooked company is still sitting on $400 the vast majority of which is from October, ie well past the 100 days potential chargeback period
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  • Profile picture of the author poweraff
    Hey Guys,

    Plimus is not stealing anyone,
    i had $5,000+ in Forex Products Affiliate Commissions sitting on my Plimus account for the past month,

    In the Payment report i got, they are paying me $2,000 and holding the $3,000
    because some refunds are still coming.

    I don't see anything weird on my account or my friends accounts.

    If you have little funds and you still have refunds, then its logic that your money is kept hold untill the refunds/chargebacks stops.

    Good Luck for everyone getting paid

    Thanks
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    thank you!
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketTrader
      I have just received an email from plimus saying that they will release
      what I think is approximately 75% of my funds.

      I am now waiting on the bank wire.

      by the way, my refund rate is very low, hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author jord2n
    I just contacted Plimus vendor support (located in California) and was told that they are unable to help me, only the people in Israel can but I cannot have a contact number for them.

    The support staffer would not provide his name.

    I only received an email saying, "Some or all of your balance is being held by Plimus as a reserve until we re-evaluate your account next month."

    I have not received an email as Leore the Plimus rep stated providing, "You'll all receive a detailed email with your payout plan tomorrow which will include the status of your February payout and the reserve plan for the next couple of months."

    I was also told my contract says, "they can hold my monies as long as they want for any reason."
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  • Profile picture of the author poweraff
    Hello Warriors,

    i just checked my Bank Account and received my $2,000
    i hope to get the rest of $3,000 Next month

    Good luck to everyone
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    hmm... topclassaction.com look pretty scammy themselves....

    FWIW Plimus have always paid me on time for all sales.. I don't doubt that that will happen this month. However, I'm not surprised that they're distancing themselves from Forex. I would hope that they will honor any payments (excluding refunds, which would be understandable)
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelcorvin
    The problem that I am seeing is that too many Internet marketers are trying to jump on the Forex bandwagon and producing products that are s**t. If anyone is going to produce a product that has to do with how peoples money is handled in any way...the IM'er needs to know what they are doing.

    Honestly, it makes it easy for companies like mine to market our services because we offer Forex products developed by real traders who are making serious bank as traders and have been for years...We stand out from the crowd because we get real results...

    IM'er who develop crap products...I salute you..thank you for making me money :-)

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    • Profile picture of the author LazyMarketer
      Hey everyone!

      I have good news about this post.

      I just got kicked by Plimus as well. I own the site HHOSuperPack, and I was the top 4th product, moving up quickly to 3rd and I've only been a vendor for 1 year so far. The good news is that I found 2 VERY good payment processors who each accept multiple credit cards and....PayPal again!

      The websites are RevenueWire's affiliate/vendor site called Affiliate-Wire, and I also joined with SWREG.org . SWREG.org Pays every 2 weeks, allows CD Offers via mail, and they accept phone and fax orders. I'm still waiting on Revenuewire for final approval.

      First thing they asked me, "Did you just get kicked from Plimus?"

      My top affiliate told me about the other people getting "kicked" such as SimpleWaterFuel (#1 top plimus product) and the Magnet4Energy (#2 top product on plimus) and everyone is moving to RevenueWire. So in reality....Plimus just fired 3 out of 4 of their best selling product vendors.

      Who is that stupid?

      I was making over 300 sales per month, as a vendor, with less than 5 refunds per 300 sales. My chargeback rate was almost non-existant. People love my HHO plans, because I over deliver and I make sure I give them everything possible to build an HHO Cell.

      Moving On. I am happy that Plimus fired me, A) because they stopped offering paypal B) my customers started getting blank CD's in the mail about 2 months ago, causing me all kinds of **** and C) they only pay on a monthly basis.

      SWREG is turning out to be very good so far. Easy interface. Delivery methods are = Download, Email, Keygen, CD (With custom image) and "Personal delivery method" which has to be approved.

      I am going to use both SWREG and Revenuewire to sell as a Merchant, however my affiliates will have their own Custom Sales Pages with their affiliate link embedded in the "Buy Now' button. I am very strick nowdays about my affiliates, and I allow them to pick a custom folder to be their affiliate page on my website, as long as they deliver traffic and at least 1 sale per week.

      By using these 2 payment processors for my Personal traffic, I am going to make A LOT more money than before with Plimus. I am also joining Moneybookers. My personal traffic will be delivered to a sales page with 3 payment processors links. This way I can accept payments from everyone possible! The customer will be able to choose which payment processor they use.


      So Plimus....Good Luck and Thank you!! You opened my eyes to a new idea I never would have considered until I needed it, and now I am going to make more money than ever! Accepting more credit cards than ever before....and paypal again, what else do I need!!

      ALSO I wish SOMEBODY around here would start their OWN payment processor....somebody who is also an Internet Marketer with programming skills and money to get this running right....somebody who knows all the bull**** we hate.....somebody who will not deny a product because "It seems contraversial" or "deceptive"..... I had almost 1% refunds out of 300+ sales per month!

      We should start our OWN freaking shopping cart / affiliate system, a kind of inner circle so NOBODY can shut down our products anymore unless the inner circle decides it's too deceptive or too many refunds.

      Anyone up for this task?

      I hope this helps everyone find what we need.
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    SWreg Rocks
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  • Profile picture of the author poweraff
    Anyways... Plimus is paying both vendors and Affiliates,
    personally i am not having any issue with them so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author mharry
    yes they did send the pending payments.
    However there were a lot of refunds and charge backs.
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  • Profile picture of the author ak2000
    These guys are a complete joke.

    Out of 3 accounts I hold with them they are holding 100% of the money across all 3 accounts, and refund rates are very reasonable.

    The only reason I'm not suing them is that it's not a big enough amount of money for me to divert my attention from other revenue-generating activities.

    Ah, and the "cherry on the cake" is that they keep charging me for "wire transfer fees" when NO transfer is taking place!

    This is one of the least professional conducts (if not THE) I have ever seen in my online career.
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    • Profile picture of the author HappyDental
      This is in fact not Plimus it is their bank, which is either Bank Leumi or Haphaolim Bank. Both of these Israeli banks were heavily involved in 3rd party payment prcessing for the adult industry as well as the IM market.

      These banks have been pushed hard by Visa and MC to remove themselves from the market and FOREX is th latest market targetted by credit card companies over the banks.

      Its interesting to see people on here claiming low chargebacks of less than 8%, when the cc processor demands less than 1% from the banks on credit card transactions and less than 14% on refunds. The FOREX segment segment will now begin the move to another payment prcessor where the same event will occur when that processors bank, like Caix from Spain will be pressured to do the same thing and withdraw payment facilities.

      If your FOREX product is that good, go to the bank and show them what you want to sell online and get them to provide you directly with cc payment processing.

      I appreciate the monies you are owed are personally substantial to you but feel thankful you didn't get caught for 10's of millions of $$$ like mobile phone wholesalers did when their cc processor went down in the Caribbean.
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    • Profile picture of the author egyptsoul
      Originally Posted by jeessy View Post

      You can try paydotcom, click2sell, e-junkie or rapbank
      Thank You Jeessy
      I already tried Click2Sell for couple of months since I got suspended with Plimus
      This is Odd but they made me MISS Plimus.
      From the first sight you would love their system
      Very low rates ($3) per transaction.
      But then you will find that you can't accept CC with that, then they suggest that you apply the CC acceptance to your account..I did exactly that for couple of months but what they missed to tell me that when you move to the Complete version your per transaction fee will jump up to be the highest in the Market ($1.5 + 7%) .. I was paying that thinking I'm paying only $3

      Also they pay you every two weeks and that's fine, but again there's a trick..They reserve 10% from EACH transaction to be paid after 6 months.
      So if your product for $100 .. They will get $8.5 per transaction + $9.15 reserve to be paid after 6 months so you will only get $82.35 only
      That's around 20% cut.

      That's one thing.
      Another thing the lack of communication there...They never come back to you with anything less than 24 hours even if it's very urgent request or even if you reply them in am minute once you receive their email..It's like rule to never answer a support email with less than 24 hours..However you can wait for few days to get an answer.

      Also at the beginning I was in a direct contact with the CEO "Egidijus Andreika " .. I was still digging into their system and tried to contact him few times through Skpye..Didn't wait too much until he told me "don't put pressure on us"
      I was trying to set all the new products from Plimus to Click2Sell and I found that I need to wait 24 hours at least for any product to be approved and if I change any tiny thing with my product it will not take less than 24 hours to be approved again...I asked Egidijus to accelerate that because I can't sell anything since I'm suspended with Plimus but he couldn't care less.

      Then about the system itself and the 24 hours thing to add or change anything about your products..
      Also one of the biggest issues that they don't have any kind of coupon/discount system.

      Click2Sell would be the last alternative to be used but it's nothing compared to Plimus despite all the crap they gave us.
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      • Profile picture of the author ak2000
        Originally Posted by egyptsoul View Post

        Thank You Jeessy
        I already tried Click2Sell for couple of months since I got suspended with Plimus
        This is Odd but they made me MISS Plimus.
        From the first sight you would love their system
        Very low rates ($3) per transaction.
        But then you will find that you can't accept CC with that, then they suggest that you apply the CC acceptance to your account..I did exactly that for couple of months but what they missed to tell me that when you move to the Complete version your per transaction fee will jump up to be the highest in the Market ($1.5 + 7%) .. I was paying that thinking I'm paying only $3

        Also they pay you every two weeks and that's fine, but again there's a trick..They reserve 10% from EACH transaction to be paid after 6 months.
        So if your product for $100 .. They will get $8.5 per transaction + $9.15 reserve to be paid after 6 months so you will only get $82.35 only
        That's around 20% cut.

        That's one thing.
        Another thing the lack of communication there...They never come back to you with anything less than 24 hours even if it's very urgent request or even if you reply them in am minute once you receive their email..It's like rule to never answer a support email with less than 24 hours..However you can wait for few days to get an answer.

        Also at the beginning I was in a direct contact with the CEO "Egidijus Andreika " .. I was still digging into their system and tried to contact him few times through Skpye..Didn't wait too much until he told me "don't put pressure on us"
        I was trying to set all the new products from Plimus to Click2Sell and I found that I need to wait 24 hours at least for any product to be approved and if I change any tiny thing with my product it will not take less than 24 hours to be approved again...I asked Egidijus to accelerate that because I can't sell anything since I'm suspended with Plimus but he couldn't care less.

        Then about the system itself and the 24 hours thing to add or change anything about your products..
        Also one of the biggest issues that they don't have any kind of coupon/discount system.

        Click2Sell would be the last alternative to be used but it's nothing compared to Plimus despite all the crap they gave us.
        Totally agree with you. Have used and had very similar experiences to yours with Click2Sell.

        They just don't give me the comfort and peace of mind to use them for my payment processing for a large chunk and crucial part of my business...
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        • Profile picture of the author locdev
          Same here closed click2sale account in 1 week after open.
          They said my products are bad!!! Even plimus didn't ban me yet

          I feel that click2sale is worse than plimus....


          Can you please tell which one you use now?
          I'm moving to SWREG but also looking for some other to try...
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  • Profile picture of the author zpchips
    depends your chargeback level, they might take more time, ive received almost 80% so far of what they froozen,

    either way, what is the new gateway for a niche like this?

    regnow? any other options?
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  • Profile picture of the author zpchips
    what are the forex people using now as gateway? reg now ? any other good option?

    thanks
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