WSO reviews trustable?

by Tenzho
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All of the WSO really have good reviews written by real Warrior.

But when I individually PM them, the result is different. They say that they haven't make any money from it, or its worthless, etc etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
    i believe its because when they 1st receive and view the product, it looks good generally so they give a good review, and then they really sit down and digest it it may be different already. and when they actually start doing it and using it then it will be more different.
    so it depends in which season did they do the review. when they receive the product, or when they read it or when they actually do it.

    and some rate it base on how good it sounds, which means its base on the idea or the how the method sounds, but not how it actually works for them.

    this are some reasons.
    hope it makes sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tenzho
      Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

      i believe its because when they 1st receive and view the product, it looks good generally so they give a good review, and then they really sit down and digest it it may be different already. and when they actually start doing it and using it then it will be more different.
      so it depends in which season did they do the review. when they receive the product, or when they read it or when they actually do it.

      and some rate it base on how good it sounds, which means its base on the idea or the how the method sounds, but not how it actually works for them.

      this are some reasons.
      hope it makes sense.
      Thanks, you really make sense.

      I remember when the time i bought an e-book from fiverr.
      The method he talk about feels like it work.

      And I proceed to write good things about it.

      But then when I started to think about the method myself, and I realize this method is not gonna work and its not a lazy way as the author claim to be.
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
        Originally Posted by Tenzho View Post

        Thanks, you really make sense.

        I remember when the time i bought an e-book from fiverr.
        The method he talk about feels like it work.

        And I proceed to write good things about it.

        But then when I started to think about the method myself, and I realize this method is not gonna work and its not a lazy way as the author claim to be.
        You need to remember that just because jow bloggs makes $10k a month from a certain method there are no guarantees you could make the same even following the method to the 'T'. Why? Because we all have different skillsets and are based all over the world.

        Rich
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  • Profile picture of the author arranrice
    It depends, On my WSO all the reviews are real. I asked 15 people to review my product on the "warriors looking to hire thread."

    Maybe some WSO's have fake reviews.. Im not sure.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
      Originally Posted by arranrice View Post

      It depends, On my WSO all the reviews are real. I asked 15 people to review my product on the "warriors looking to hire thread."

      Maybe some WSO's have fake reviews.. Im not sure.
      If you believe ANY wso has fake reviews you need to use the notify button under the wso posters name and notify mods.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tenzho
      Originally Posted by arranrice View Post

      It depends, On my WSO all the reviews are real. I asked 15 people to review my product on the "warriors looking to hire thread."

      Maybe some WSO's have fake reviews.. Im not sure.
      Do you ever buy "super warrior" products?

      Both of his products hook me in.
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  • Profile picture of the author James.N
    I could be wrong but it seems that usually the first page of reviews is from buddies of the OP. Or they are simply reviewing/vouching for the OP himself/herself, not the actual product. Usually the real reviews come in after those. That being said, almost every WSO I have purchased has been great quality and you can't beat the price you're paying for them.

    I usually go through the reviews real quick and make sure there's no major issues but if you cant afford $10 or whatever you're paying for the WSO you probably shouldn't buy it anyways.
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    • Profile picture of the author dwalter
      Originally Posted by quadxnet View Post

      I could be wrong but it seems that usually the first page of reviews is from buddies of the OP. Or they are simply reviewing/vouching for the OP himself/herself, not the actual product. Usually the real reviews come in after those. That being said, almost every WSO I have purchased has been great quality and you can't beat the price you're paying for them.

      I usually go through the reviews real quick and make sure there's no major issues but if you cant afford $10 or whatever you're paying for the WSO you probably shouldn't buy it anyways.
      I was going to write the exact same thing. For 10 bucks, many offers are worth testing if they're in verticals you're exploring.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
    Originally Posted by Tenzho View Post

    All of the WSO really have good reviews written by real Warrior.

    But when I individually PM them, the result is different. They say that they haven't make any money from it, or its worthless, etc etc.
    It's part of your due dilligence to check who the wso poster is (how long have they been here and what have the posted before), if their wso has reviews check the history of reviewers.

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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by Richard Tunnah View Post

      It's part of your due dilligence to check who the wso poster is (how long have they been here and what have the posted before), if their wso has reviews check the history of reviewers.

      Rich
      yup thats called deep search. hahaha

      like i remember the time before i entered the police force, they would interview you and there is a department to do background search on you, all your personal stuff, and also background search on your family members and relatives even. and abit on friends.

      so if your fren is a police, u can just as wel bet the police department did a background search on you. haha
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  • Profile picture of the author the_icon
    You have to take every review with a pinch of salt, also you have to remember thats their opinion as well. Whats the saying, whats good for the goose isnt always good for the gander?

    Anyways, you would be foolish to think people werent posting fake reviews on this site. At the end of the day scammers are after your money and they will go to any means to get it. For example theres a guy I have had experience with recently, an Andrew Manavi, or something like that.

    Gets a WSO shone up to be a scam, gets found out and subsequently banned, however he and a bunch of warriors last year created hundreds of WF accounts for the very purpose of building up posts, putting in reviews and comments etc and when it came time to posting a WSO they would turn up and apparently give creedence to the WSO, meaning fair minded folk may think its a good offer and get scammed.

    Generally, some people give good reviews because they feel obliged too because they got a free copy. I have had a couple of them in the last week or so and told the OP I couldnt post a good review. I could post an honest review but what WSO seller wants that lol

    At the end of the day, only one opinion matters and thats yours. There is always the refund button if it doesnt work out for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaaa33030
    Originally Posted by Tenzho View Post

    All of the WSO really have good reviews written by real Warrior.

    But when I individually PM them, the result is different. They say that they haven't make any money from it, or its worthless, etc etc.
    All wso reviews are not trustable
    Their are employees at microworkers paying warrior forum members with high post count to post positive reviews
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    • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
      Originally Posted by aaaa33030 View Post

      All wso reviews are not trustable
      Their are employees at microworkers paying warrior forum members with high post count to post positive reviews
      Really??

      This is 100% against the forum rules.

      If what you are saying is true, get the username of each Warrior (both the one paying and the one leaving the review), and notify the forum moderators.
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  • Profile picture of the author princecapri
    Unfortunately, such is the psychology of reviews and testimonials. Here are a couple of tricks one uses to garner positive reviews (DO NOT USE THEM - I am only dishing them out because I understand them!)

    1. Give out a free copy - 99% of the reviews will be positive. After all, the reviewer is getting a free copy, right? The problem is, the 1% that doesn't agree with the product will not go up on testimonial page (I REALLY think there should be transparency..seeing 100 different positive reviews and not seeing 50 refunds is really putting the blinds on people's eyes - but hey, everyone does it, right?)

    2. Ask someone to JV. Thing is, if someone JV's with you, they are likely to give you a positive feedback, even if their name does not appear on the sales letter. Even if you ask someone to JV, and if it doesn't work out, they will still leave a positive testimonial for a review copy of the product.

    3. Ask nicely and politely. Email someone who you thinks has high authority in the forum. Better still, get their feedback. If you include their feedback and make them privy of this, the poster is 100% likely to give you a strong testimonial. After all, their advice was heard - who doesn't like that?

    Ok, I know I said a couple...but you get the picture.

    The best advice is to get a refund as soon as possible. But then again, it won't warn the future buyers.

    One thing I did before I almost bought some software from a TOP CLASS WF member was research. I found out that he had reneged on his commitment for FREE lifetime updates on the software, going ahead to release and sell the second version (albeit at a discount to previous owners). Obviously, purchasing from him would have meant that he would create the third version and forget about me (even though he offered the lifetime update guarantee in the second version).

    Umm, so yea, do your research (about the marketeer), but if you do buy something pointless, get a refund.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bambu
    Prince Capri raises an excellent point about free WSO review bias. It is rare to see negative reviews in threads.

    Also, Newbiee makes a good point. Most reviews are made in the honeymoon period while people are still jacked up with sky high promises and dollar signs in their eyes. Give a few weeks and a few failed (or successful) attempts and their reviews may change.

    Tenzho, I think your approach is very prudent. I started PMing prior purchasers of WSOs after receiving a few from perspective purchases of WSOs I have purchased in the past.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    It depends entirely upon WHO gives the review.

    If you want to know WHO to trust, take some time reading in the other sub-forums of the website to make your own determination on who is trustworthy and who is not.


    Originally Posted by LegitIncomes View Post

    All wso reviews are not trustable
    Their are employees at microworkers paying warrior forum members with high post count to post positive reviews
    Really??

    This is 100% against the forum rules.

    If what you are saying is true, get the username of each Warrior (both the one paying and the one leaving the review), and notify the forum moderators.

    Agree.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Allard
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      It depends entirely upon WHO gives the review.

      If you want to know WHO to trust, take some time reading in the other sub-forums of the website to make your own determination on who is trustworthy and who is not.

      Probably the best thing you can do. Once in a while you'll see a WSO get shut down from so many complaints, and when the WSO came out initially it had positive reviews from people. Like others have said, when they get a free review copy most will give a positive review, not realizing they're putting their own name at stake. I now only trust reviews from people I know (or trust sellers I know).

      Also keep in mind the seller's refund policy, if you're on the edge about a WSO and you see there's a refund policy you could always ask for your money back if it turns out too good to be true.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Dan Allard View Post

        Probably the best thing you can do. Once in a while you'll see a WSO get shut down from so many complaints, and when the WSO came out initially it had positive reviews from people. Like others have said, when they get a free review copy most will give a positive review, not realizing they're putting their own name at stake. I now only trust reviews from people I know (or trust sellers I know).

        Also keep in mind the seller's refund policy, if you're on the edge about a WSO and you see there's a refund policy you could always ask for your money back if it turns out too good to be true.

        I only give good reviews to products I actually read/watch and like.

        Now, I am only judging the quality of the material, and whether in my mind it will help someone achieve their goals and meet the promise of the sales copy.

        Some WSO's I have purchased have made me money, because I have already implemented the information in them.

        Other WSO's have never made me money -- not because the information wasn't good, but because I have not yet implemented the information in my own business.

        It is not always necessary to use the materials in a WSO, in order to know that the information is good or not.



        If someone demands from me a good review, in order to get a review copy, I refuse the opportunity to get their product. I'd rather pay for a product that is bad, than to give a good review because I was given a copy.

        A lot of people who review WSO's practice the same kind of integrity I do when reviewing products.

        But then, we would not be having this conversation if everyone had the same level of integrity, would we?
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  • Profile picture of the author rileyb
    some of them are not trustworthy but I think you can tell...
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Tenzho View Post

    All of the WSO really have good reviews written by real Warrior.

    But when I individually PM them, the result is different. They say that they haven't make any money from it, or its worthless, etc etc.
    Yes, I'm afraid that's quite common.

    Still, at least it's good - I suppose - that they're honest when you send them a p.m.

    The whole problem is simply an aspect of the "incentivized testimonials" problem.

    It's true that many people listing a WSO, and especially those listing their first WSO, will ask people with high post-counts to review them in exchange for a free copy. (I've certainly never been offered payment for a review, but I'm offered a free copy for a review all the time.) I almost never do them, unless it was one I'd have bought anyway. And when I review those I say that I was "kindly shown the product before release" or whatever, to announce that I was given a free copy. If I've actually bought it, I say so, openly, too.

    So I reviewed a WSO by Bill Platt (it was excellent) because he kindly showed it to me before it was listed as a WSO (he didn't ask for a review at all!), and I'd have bought it, if he hadn't happened to ask me what I thought of it first. And I reviewed one by CDarklock (which was also excellent) which I'd happily bought and happily recommended. (I'm giving "golden examples", here, admittedly: it's a bit of a no-brainer to buy WSO's from those guys, really, if the subject is of any interest to you at all).

    But you have a wise approach: you're treating reviews with caution and checking with people. I often do the same, because many people "review" a WSO as soon as they've downloaded it, and one can see they haven't actually started using it yet. So those reviews don't really tell you all that much. It's "caveat emptor" in there, for sure.

    I like WSO's which have one or two good reviews from people I know, who bought the product as a paying customer and say so, and have actually been using it, too. (There aren't many).
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Kovats
    Having the opportunity to review some products in the past, I think the reviewer feels some sense of obligation to post at least SOMETHING positive out of the product they are reviewing, in return for a copy of the product. Although I can't speak for everyone, it seems like a natural way of wanting to say thanks. If there were 10 items in a product, and I disagreed with 8, I may only talk about the 2 awesome ideas I got from this. That is just me though.

    As far as putting WSO's into practice, you can't be good at all things and I think too many IM'ers think that because they have an online business, they have to know everything about everything online. I think that can lead to paralysis of analysis. Pick your thing, practice at it, specialize at it, get good at it, make some money from it and then add things to your repetoire as you start earning.
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    • Profile picture of the author silverace
      Originally Posted by theseoguys View Post

      Having the opportunity to review some products in the past, I think the reviewer feels some sense of obligation to post at least SOMETHING positive out of the product they are reviewing, in return for a copy of the product. Although I can't speak for everyone, it seems like a natural way of wanting to say thanks. If there were 10 items in a product, and I disagreed with 8, I may only talk about the 2 awesome ideas I got from this. That is just me though.

      As far as putting WSO's into practice, you can't be good at all things and I think too many IM'ers think that because they have an online business, they have to know everything about everything online. I think that can lead to paralysis of analysis. Pick your thing, practice at it, specialize at it, get good at it, make some money from it and then add things to your repetoire as you start earning.
      I totally agree with this. When you get something for free it's in human nature to want to give something back. this can be anything, so also mentioning some positive stuff you found in the WSO. I also agree on a post a bit further back, most reviewers don't actually use the product but read it and think it might work and write up a positive review.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrjosco
    There was a thread here on the warrior forum about what people do when asked for a review. Most (not all) responded with something along the lines of:

    I will read and review the product. If the product is good I will post a glowing review, if the product stinks I will privately inform the product creator but not post a review.

    What this means is that the reviews are worthless. They will only post favorable reviews and poor reviews never see the light of day. This eliminates the entire purpose of the reviews and makes all reviews untrustworthy.

    That was straight from the mouths of the people who post reviews on WF in a WF thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author highstake
    Yes there is a reason.
    People who love free things just give a good review in return of free service.
    So a WSO offering free review copies would most likely have some unjustified reviews. There are many warriors on this forum who would admire the product if they will get it free.

    What should be done ?


    - WSOs forum should be improved.
    - There should be an option to report a WSO if it doesn't do what it is supposed to do.
    - There should be an option of reporting individual member too if someone buys a WSO and comes to know that the product isn't good. The reviewers should be reported to Admin.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by highstake View Post

      - There should be an option to report a WSO if it doesn't do what it is supposed to do.

      There is one already.

      It looks like this:

      But the bigger issue is whether the person who says that is playing with a straight deck.

      Just because I cannot do something, does not mean that thing cannot be done, following the guidance in any tutorial.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Even
    I don't think many of the testimonials are "fake", but I don't tend to be too impressed by testimonials on the forum these days since they all seem to be so positive even for products that (after I buy them) don't live up to the hype.

    I only put weight on positive testys from Warriors I trust... Although I do pay attention to the negative feedback as it can often be a good warning.
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  • Profile picture of the author carrot
    You may see rave reviews for products that later tank for a few reasons.

    1. People who buy the product WANT to believe its great, because if its not, they have to accept they made a poor decision.

    2. The product may start great but develope bugs (software) or get saturated, or rely on a website that changes etc.

    3. People charge for reviews. Though they say they are honest, who will hire someone who has a history of leaving bad reviews?

    At the end of the day, your best bet it to sit back and wait a week or so - yes you may miss the odd great deal, but thats the risk
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