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Please help my boss get leads! He's a great guy. =]

by RedShifted
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Anyone who is willing to help me out in anyway even if its as small as research I'd be willing to compensate for your time. I have been with this company short term but my brother has been with him for years. And since being pulled aboard I've never had a boss or job as rewarding as working with this guy. I really truely genuinely enjoy it.

And he's also not a greedy guy by any means. He does excellent work, and he compensates ANYONE who helps his business get leads. He's also very generous in his commissions just today he gave someone a $4,000 referal fee for a $40,000 waterproofing job he contracted.

He will pay you for a lead than 10% commission if he sells it. And since one of my brothers contracts for him I know personally how good his salesmen are.

Anyway this will be long so PLEASE bare with me here.

This past month he paid $58,000 in advertising.
Mainly what he does:

Pays a PPC guy $1000 a month to advertise his website:
New Jersey Home & Commercial Water Proofing, Mold Remediation, Structural Repair He generates maybe 10-20 leads from this a month may sell 1-3 of them and most the leads are fairly crappy. Especially this time of year which is our down season as we do best business in rainy months (april/august). On occassion however he will do decent with this guy which is why he still uses him.

He does 200,000-300,000 valpak mailers a month. Spends a nice penny for this. The valpak leads are the worst. About another 10-20 leads and sometimes like this month not ONE lead sold.

Also does the clipper magazine and I'd have to say he avgs maybe 5 leads a month these are just as bad as valpak usually.

Then organic leads through google he gets none.

Aside from that he gets leads from service magic, also comments about the quality of these being horrible. He also found out a lead he bought from service magic this week one of his competitors has bought 2 weeks before him. And now he is questioning whether or not service magic sells dead leads and has been rather pissed about this lately.

Then he does referal commissions and sometimes gets random word of mouth leads like the one I mentioned earlier. His word of mouth leads usually seem to close the easiest.

I work for him selling but during down time I read as much as I can about marketing and things like trying to rank him in google.

What I've been doing lately is searching "basement waterproofing nj", finding all his competitors, than trying to analyze their webbehavoir.

If you search "basement waterproofing nj" you get these main competitors:
www.basement-waterproofing-nj.com
www.southjerseydrybasements.com
www.basementwaterproofingetc.com
www.affordablewaterproofingllc.com
www.shieldmybasement.com
www.valuedry.com
www.aridbasementwaterproofing.com


So I've been trying to figure how HOW these places are getting listed in google. Is that google places? He has a google places listing. I tried verifying it and now its saying I need to verify his site. But evenso, how are these companies showing up? Are those ads they are paying for? Did they optimize their google listing? Do I need a map listing for him?

Is there ANYTHING I can do to help him list organically? I've been uploading pics to his google listing but I've been having so many stupid small little problems just dealing with this listing. First I got the impression he may actually have 2, when I accidentally tried logging into his listing and got a totally different email address. I had the password for that account and logged in. Then logged out, went back to find it and instead of this new yahoo email I got his old gmail email which is what I was originally using. NO IDEA why this is happening. Can someone else tell if he actually has 2 listings?

Should I be posting videos on youtube and trying to get them ranked? Maybe post educational videos? Then I can get people to leave comments on them or post some myself?

Mostly I've been focused on a few things myself.
Learning how I can get him to place like his competitors for "basement waterproofing nj". I also got him to buy an account in yahoo's local listings today for $9.95 a month. But I have no idea if that was even a smart move. He's willing to a lot spend more. But I don't want to waste his money as he seems to waste so much already in advertising. What can *I* do that will genuinely help?

Like I said if theres ANYTHING that ANYONE can do to help and if you think you can help us tackle getting just a few more quality leads a month he'd definitely be willing to compensate for it. And I like to make myself useful to when I'm not doing business so if theres anything I can do I'd love to.

Last you can respond in this thread but if anyone would like to contact me personally you can email me at rcece1 @ yahoo. com. (remove spaces).
I have access to his google accounts for his google places and even that I'm having issues with like I said. Thank you all so much for reading this!

-Rob
#boss #great #guy #leads
  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Is your boss going to get you unbanned, when you get banned for making posts like this one?

    It looks very self-promotional to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Self promotional? So what? And no, I'm actually not promoting myself, I'm promoting the guy I work with. Did you not catch on to that?

    And are you not promoting http://redneckmarketers.com? You act like promotion is an evil thing or something. Is this forum not free maybe I missed something?

    All I'm asking for his help. Its a marketing forum. Forgive me if I missed something but I do not understand you.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      Self promotional? So what? And no, I'm actually not promoting myself, I'm promoting the guy I work with. Did you not catch on to that?

      And are you not promoting Redneck Marketers - Sam England & Bill Platt's Internet Marketing Products? You act like promotion is an evil thing or something. Is this forum not free maybe I missed something?

      All I'm asking for his help. Its a marketing forum. Forgive me if I missed something but I do not understand you.

      You are welcome to self-promote in your signature all day long, but not in the post, and especially not when the post is a thread starter.

      If you were seeking help with a problem, you would have posted this in the right sub-forum:
      Adsense / PPC / SEO Discussion Forum

      But you have worded this in a way that clouds your intent and purpose for posting.

      The mods will decide if your thread survives or dies. And if they agree with my assessment, you will see your thread deleted.
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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        You are welcome to self-promote in your signature all day long, but not in the post, and especially not when the post is a thread starter.

        If you were seeking help with a problem, you would have posted this in the right sub-forum:
        Adsense / PPC / SEO Discussion Forum

        But you have worded this in a way that clouds your intent and purpose for posting.

        The mods will decide if your thread survives or dies. And if they agree with my assessment, you will see your thread deleted.
        Bill,

        How much did you pay to have him promote your site in his second post here.

        Don't bother to thank me, your thanks will be deleted soon.

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      • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        You are welcome to self-promote in your signature all day long, but not in the post, and especially not when the post is a thread starter.

        If you were seeking help with a problem, you would have posted this in the right sub-forum:
        Adsense / PPC / SEO Discussion Forum

        But you have worded this in a way that clouds your intent and purpose for posting.

        The mods will decide if your thread survives or dies. And if they agree with my assessment, you will see your thread deleted.
        So all problems go in the seo forum?

        I was not able to single this out as just an seo problem which is why I didn't post in that forum. I just assumed it was more general so I posted it in a more general forum.

        As far as "worded this in a way that clouds your intent" now you're just playing dumb.

        Here I'll word my intent pretty simply for anyone to understand.

        I NEED HELP.

        Or no I'm sorry maybe this will work better:

        I NEED HELP!!!

        I'll go post this in the seo forum now so those guys can tell me this is too broad a question for them and that I need a signature to learn how to get leads which makes realistically no sense whatsoever. This forum obviously is not what I thought it was.... ie marketing forum. Now I'll know its just a signature marketing forum thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
          Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

          I NEED HELP!!!
          Time to keep your panties on with out getting them in a twist, first there are plenty of private people out there that will and can do lead gen. Go over to the offline forum or as suggested post a looking to hire a warrior ad for $5.

          I think what a lot of "bosses" do not see or get their head around is the massive amounts of work and costs that can be involved in implementing this properly so the end result gives very good high quality leads.

          In short go private for your lead gen targeted specific to your bosses business, now you can outsource that and have some one do it for you where you can buy the leads, pay rental on the leads site and maybe even boost that with supported paid ads / adwords to that site.

          Or ask you boss for a few $ and get over and buy some WSO's and learn how to make a site, how to set up lead capture pages, learn how to set up the seo / and drive free / paid traffic it to it and bring your complete lead gen in house.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marvin Johnston
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        If you were seeking help with a problem, you would have posted this in the right sub-forum:
        Adsense / PPC / SEO Discussion Forum
        Another forum to post this on would be the Offline Marketing Forum.

        StomperNet, so far, has been the only place where I've gotten a *great* course on competitive analysis. So that would be another good place to go for help. Of course, they are not free .

        Marvin
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Lover
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        You are welcome to self-promote in your signature all day long, but not in the post, and especially not when the post is a thread starter.

        If you were seeking help with a problem, you would have posted this in the right sub-forum:
        Adsense / PPC / SEO Discussion Forum

        But you have worded this in a way that clouds your intent and purpose for posting.

        The mods will decide if your thread survives or dies. And if they agree with my assessment, you will see your thread deleted.
        I have to agree with tpw on this, it seems your promoting yourself IMO. If you want to make money online put in the hours like everyone else, there are thousands of threads on this forum for you to educate yourself.

        In fact the time it took you to write this thread, you could of actually educated yourself with different ways or earnings, rather than asking people to spoon feed "Your Boss".

        Just saying!
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    And how is the thread under mine not self promotion?

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...y-my-site.html

    And then every thread after that which basically asks in one way or another what a person can do to help their company. Again, not understanding the self promotion thing as I see tons of people already doing exactly that in this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      And how is the thread under mine not self promotion?

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...y-my-site.html

      And then every thread after that which basically asks in one way or another what a person can do to help their company. Again, not understanding the self promotion thing as I see tons of people already doing exactly that in this forum.

      He was asking for help. You were trying to promote your boss' business.
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      • Profile picture of the author WF99
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        He was asking for help. You were trying to promote your boss' business.
        Yes yes you are right ..
        This is one type of promoting ..
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    If the mods think I was out of line, they will delete my posts and your responses to my posts.

    "Help My Boss... He Is A Great Guy" struck me as self-promotion... i.e. promoting your job.

    Also...

    "He will pay you for a lead than 10% commission if he sells it."
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Yeh but so is "help my website so I can make money", and god I don't want to go back quoting the titles of every thread in this forum that seems to be doing the same exact thing I am.

    So it was just me asking for my boss specifically that was self promoting? What if I said "my company" instead or "my website" than would my thread get by like all the other ones are?

    ps. I don't expect a single person on this site to call me up for a waterproofing job as most of you aren't local and this is a local business. I was looking for ways to promote outside this site as I definitely don't see much to gain looking for customers on here. But looking for experts than can help me market yes, which is all I was looking for.

    Not trying to be smart I think I just need to find a less rigid forum to ask this on.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    First off, I am not a mod.

    Second, I have alerted the mods to this thread, and told them that if I am out of line, please delete my posts.

    It has more to do with intent, and how you demonstrated an intent to find someone to get leads for your boss' business. That usually requires paid advertising in this forum.

    I am not going to cut hairs with you. I will let the mods do that.

    But my experience here has been that this thread will be deleted, based on how it is constructed. The other one you linked may or may not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      First off, I am not a mod.
      Yes you are. But, since it appears you meant one of the mods with direct access to the delete buttons, I'll answer from that perspective.

      First thing: This is more a local marketing question, with enough SEO overtones that it would fit in either section.

      However, the presence of the links in the post makes it suspect at best. Yes, I can see how you'd think they were necessary for proper advice, but it's still suspect. If you owned the site, you could easily come in here and pretend you didn't, eh? And before you shout about people being paranoid, that exact tactic is used here virtually every day.

      Second: You've been a member for a month. Bill has been a member for more than 7 years. If someone at your job had 90 times as much experience as you and told you something could get you fired, would you argue with them, or would you stop doing it and try to understand why it might be a problem?

      Third: If your boss really will pay for qualified leads, post this in the Members looking to hire you section. It will cost you $5. Make a deal with your boss where you get a cut of leads sold through those efforts, and there should still be plenty of cash for an effective lead generator to work with you.

      That last suggestion is the reason I haven't just deleted the thread. That's something a lot of people here could learn to either do for themselves or set up as JVs. A ton of businesses out there will pay very handsomely for properly qualified leads, and it's a way to make some real cash online while still keeping an offline job. It's the basic premise of most of the local marketing business.


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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Thats all you had to say was paid advertising ok see now I understand 100%. You can ask for vague tactics to market some website but if you say "help my website get leads" you need to pay for that apparently (still seems like the same thing to me).

    Warrior forum wants a piece of everything seems to be the real point here. No problem paying but I'm definitely not going to pay to find out I still can't make threads like this so let me go read the rules and terms very clearly before I post anything else on this site.

    edit: I got it! Its the whole "joint venture" language thats what it has to be. So because I actually offered to pay you people is the real reason this thread isn't allowed. You consider that a "joint venture". But if I didn't mention paying anyone, and just asked for help, than apparently thats allowed.

    So let me retract my offer to pay any specific person to help me then. =] Maybe if I asked you all collectively as a group, and said there was no money in it for you, then this would have passed through. =/

    (forget it thats enough thinking for one night)
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      so let me go read the rules and terms very clearly before I post anything else on this site.
      You should have done that before becoming a member of this site. If you did then threads like this wouldn't exist in the first place.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      Warrior forum wants a piece of everything seems to be the real point here.
      If it was your site, wouldn't you want a piece of everything?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Warrior forum wants a piece of everything seems to be the real point here.
    [sigh] Another one who's more interested in an ego win than understanding the truth.

    Before you make yourself look like more of a schmuck, go look at the page at the root directory of this site. Look at how many threads and posts there are in the free sections as opposed to the paid sections.

    Getting off to a real good start here, dude.


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    just fyi, one of reliable places where you can get targeted offline leads + cheapest random email list I think is this site email-advert (dot) com, they offer targeted leads,
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjam1n
    Red Shifted, despite whether your post is "self promotion" or not, if you want answers to your question, just go the the SEO section of the forum.

    Basically what you are asking is for somebody to layout an SEO plan for you, which seems a bit lazy to me. Surely your boss would value you a lot more if you can learn the various techniques for yourself so you can be the go to guy for all things SEO, rather than just reel off a set of bullet points from somebody that posted on the warrior forum that may not be correct.

    I spent a few hours over the weekend reading the SEO section and I have learnt an incredible amount. There are so many quality and informative posts it is staggering. I suggest you stop panicking and do the same.
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