I never realized how much more Aweber was vs GetResponse

14 years ago

$29/month is "steep"? It never ceases to amaze me how cheap some people can be when it comes to the tools that are needed to run your business. No offense Dexx, but expenses are part of running a business. If you want the right tools, you need to pay for them. Instead of worrying about $10/mth, do something with those 600 subscribers. How much time (and how many sales) are you going to lose screwing around with trying to transfer a list over to a new service to save 30 cents a day?

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Originally Posted by famous2313

i have to agree with you man.

getresponse is really good but you will drive yourself

crazy importing your list to another service. Your subscribers

will have to double optin to have that done....by then you

can lose 50% percent of your list. So is it really worth it.

Wrong.

I exported my list from aweber, emailed it to a representative at getresponse and they had it up and running that day.

I didn't lose anyone and it was easy.

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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

You know, if you're going to build your list to 1,000 people or so...you need to ask yourself if it's worth the hassle and time it will take to transfer everything over and import your current list.

Also, your subject line is a bit misleading. AWeber didn't do anything wrong to you, you just didn't read through everything.

Whose fault is that?

And to say "screw you aweber" is getting pretty close to breaking WF Rule #1.

Just sayin'

I understand your frustration, though in this case there may be a better way to handle it than badmouthing a company whose rules you didn't bother to read.

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14 years ago

Gotta say I agree with Michael though I do think it is a bit on the steep side.

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RGallowitz

14 years ago

Getresponse is really good in my opinion. You get everything aweber provides and the email deliverability is probably better. The only drawback to getresponse is that it integrates with less IM list building scripts.

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Amitywill

14 years ago

I agree with jmidas. I have tried both get response and aweber and will never use get response again. To be honest if you can't make the $29 a month back from a list of 600 people then whats the point of having the list? You might aswell cancel your membership and save your 29 bucks.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Amitywill

I agree with jmidas. I have tried both get response and aweber and will never use get response again. To be honest if you can't make the $29 a month back from a list of 600 people then whats the point of having the list? You might aswell cancel your membership and save your 29 bucks.

I'm interested to know why you say "will never use getresponse again".
Please elaborate on that? I find them to be fantastic.

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14 years ago

There are two issues here and I'm not sure which one is more important.

The first one is deciding on an autoresponder service to use. To do so based
entirely on cost, IMHO, is foolish, but that's just me.

The bigger issue is $29 being too much, I am assuming because a list of 600
people isn't worth the "service" that autoresponder provides.

That to me is alarming. If you can't make a minimum of $600 a month ($1 per
subscriber) from a list of 600 people, then one needs to seriously take a look
at their business model because something is very wrong.

At least that's the way I look at it.

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Alan Petersen

14 years ago

When you transfer you're subscribers will need to optin again so you'll loose the bulk of your subscribers. But I guess starting over now w/ a list of subscribers of 600 is easier than a list of 10,000. I use Aweber and I don't see their pricing model as bad. The more subscribers on your list the more money you should be making so it's not that bad to pay the difference to have one of the best A/R services on the market to manage your list.

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Originally Posted by Alan Petersen

When you transfer you're subscribers will need to optin again so you'll loose the bulk of your subscribers. But I guess starting over now w/ a list of subscribers of 600 is easier than a list of 10,000. I use Aweber and I don't see their pricing model as bad. The more subscribers on your list the more money you should be making so it's not that bad to pay the difference to have one of the best A/R services on the market to manage your list.

I didn't when I transfered from Aweber to GetResponse.

Dexx, just email GetResponse and tell them you want to transfer from Aweber and you got a list you want to import. They will be more than happy to do it for you.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I didn't when I transfered from Aweber to GetResponse.

Dexx, just email GetResponse and tell them you want to transfer from Aweber and you got a list you want to import. They will be more than happy to do it for you.

You're right looks like their abuse dept checks your list and if you can prove they've already opted in you might be in the clear.

However, if you have a full opt-in information for your prospect/s (such as their IP address, and the timestamp of their sign up) we may consider to import your list. Such requests are handled by our abuse Dept. and the decision is always based on individual cases. Please contact our Support Team to discuss moving your list to our services.

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ExRat 14 years ago

Hi Dexx,

$29 per month to send as many broadcast and time release pre-loaded emails as you like to up to 2500 people along with many other features, like tracking? Absolutely scandalous.

I hear some people are paying up to $30 a click on adwords. Are they mad? If only they'd used their noddle and done a google search they would have realised that Acme Traffic Blaster System would send them 1 million hits for $6.

Hi Barry,

Why pay $69/month when another quality service will charge you $20 for similar service?

Why buy a Volkswagen when you can pay a lot less for a similar Seat?
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JayXtreme

14 years ago

It tickles me that people bitch and moan over things like auto responder cost. It's such limiting belief that creates that attitude.

The price is brilliant. The question here isn't the price, it's clearly obvious you have absolutely NO clue about what it takes to run an outfit like AWeber, believe me when I say, the price is more than fair.

I mean, c'mon...

$29 measly dollars for your 600 list... what YOU do with that 600 should bring back your $29 investment ten fold at least.

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Originally Posted by JayXtreme

It tickles me that people bitch and moan over things like auto responder cost. It's such limiting belief that creates that attitude.

The price is brilliant. The question here isn't the price, it's clearly obvious you have absolutely NO clue about what it takes to run an outfit like AWeber, believe me when I say, the price is more than fair.

I mean, c'mon...

$29 measly dollars for your 600 list... what YOU do with that 600 should bring back your $29 investment ten fold at least.

He isn't complaining about $29 but also the steep rising costs of when he continues to build his list.

Why shouldn't he try to keep his costs down if he can get the same service for a lot less.

I don't understand some of the people on here. I think that it is pretty smart, business wise, to lower your fixed costs giving you more profit and you are telling him he doesn't know what he is doing. :rolleyes:

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

He isn't complaining about $29 but also the steep rising costs of when he continues to build his list.

Why shouldn't he try to keep his costs down if he can get the same service for a lot less.

I don't understand some of the people on here. I think that it is pretty smart, business wise, to lower your fixed costs giving you more profit and you are telling him he doesn't know what he is doing. :rolleyes:

Keeping costs down is one thing Thomas.

At the same time...

If your "reduced costs" result in a loss of tracking and a lack of access to data and tools that could potentially enable you to profit on a much higher scale.

Are you really reducing costs?.. or limiting your potential by skimping on a few $$$?

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Originally Posted by JayXtreme

Keeping costs down is one thing Thomas.

At the same time...

If your "reduced costs" result in a loss of tracking and a lack of access to data and tools that could potentially enable you to profit on a much higher scale.

Are you really reducing costs?.. or limiting your potential by skimping on a few $$$?

Why are you assuming he needs to track more than what is available at GetResponse?

Limiting, I don't think so. I switched over to GetResponse and my business is better than ever. In fact I am able to automatically load customers into my autoresponder campaigns without having them opt in. My business is better than ever now.

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Loren Woirhaye 14 years ago

I use GR - I like to use single opt-in and I've been pleased
with most of the features.

There is a sneaky thing GR does where it puts ads for
other people's lists on the side of your confirmation
page. Just make sure you turn it off for every list
so your subscribers won't think you sold their email
to spammers. A subscriber of mine alerted me to this -
and regardless of what the reality of the way the opt-in
system works HER PERCEPTION was a bunch of people
she never heard of were suddenly spamming her with
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Why are you assuming he needs to track more than what is available at GetResponse?

Limiting, I don't think so. I switched over to GetResponse and my business is better than ever. In fact I am able to automatically load customers into my autoresponder campaigns without having them opt in. My business is better than ever now.

I didn't say he does need it.. I'm responding to his use of the word steep with regards to a service that is well worth the price for what you get.

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Originally Posted by JayXtreme

I didn't say he does need it.. I'm responding to his use of the word steep with regards to a service that is well worth the price for what you get.

What a service is worth depends on the individual, Jay. It may be worth it to you but not to me.
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  Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap
  
  What a service is worth depends on the individual, Jay. It may be worth it to you but not to me.
  
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ExRat

14 years ago

Hi Thomas,

I'll try and elaborate for the people that you don't understand on this point (for the record I've used both services and have no complaints.)

and you are telling him he doesn't know what he is doing

(PS I haven't told the OP he doesn't know what he is doing)

The reason is - 'there are reasons.' There might be similarities, but if there was absolutely no difference and there was no consequence of changing service, then everyone would desert Aweber for GetResponse. They haven't, so either they are all not bothered to cut down expenses, or there 'are reasons.'

I'm putting it that way because I don't want to get into a to and fro about certain issues that are mainly speculative.

If we were talking about a service that cost $10 as opposed to $10000 - fair enough. But when we are talking about $149 a month for running a massive list (up to 25k) then the OP's choice of wording of the title, and using superlatives like 'steep' over a $10 a month rise, is showing himself to be (forgive the expression, but it's the most suitable) penny-wise but pound-foolish.

It's up to each of us how we approach our business, but if you consider the cost of an autoresponder against the potential profit, and also compare it with the costs of other services, then in my opinion they are severely underpriced.

Edit-

Yeah, don't try to cut costs down when you can pay more and write off a little bit of it on your taxes. :rolleyes:

Pay more Dexx so you can have higher write offs. lol

I think what they were trying to say is this - if you are making a profit then you are likely to be paying taxes. Therefore, unless your tax is less than $10 per month (as per this case) it DOES actually make sense to use a better service and put the money directly into your business, rather than just handing it to the taxman.

Why do executives fly first class and hold conferences in expensive hotels?

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Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Thomas,

I'll elaborate for the people that you don't understand (for the record I've used both services and have no complaints.)

(PS I haven't told him he doesn't know what he is doing)

The reason is - 'there are reasons.' There might be similarities, but if there was absolutely no difference and there was no consequence of changing service, then everyone would desert Aweber for GetResponse. They haven't, so either they are all not bothered to cut down expenses, or there 'are reasons.'

Hi Rog,

I am not sure if you mean I don't understand but I am pretty much do.

I have used both services as well. No complaints either.

Now, there was significant leap of services when Aweber announced their payment change. I know GetResponse got a lot of those members as well.

I changed over because there were features that would allow me to automatically optin my customers without them needing to. I don't lose any customers now.

I also see problem with Aweber on this forum from time to time. A lot more than GetResponse. I know it took longer to send out emails on Aweber than it does for me on GetResponse.

The people are taking digs at Dexx over nothing here. Maybe he doesn't need or want to additional tracking that Aweber put into place. I do all my emails in text so the tracking won't help me as far as I know. I thought it was mainly on html emails. I could be wrong...

Anyway, I am a little surprised at the comments made in this thread.

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Dexx

14 years ago

Sorry guys I should clarify on my post a little bit...

The title was more for shock value and to get discussion flowing, I actually I don't have an issue with aWeber's business model.

I was more just annoyed with the fact that for $18 I can have a list of 10,000 with GetResponse (which I plan to reach very shortly this year) while aWeber will continue to increase in costs.

The price isn't the issue, I mean I spent $40 bucks at the movies last night.

I just hate paying for anything knowing that I could get the same thing for a lot less...I mean who doesn't like to SAVE money.

I did contact GetResponse and they gave me the contact email to send my confirmed list spreadsheet to and they will set it up so they don't have to opt-in.

I hope that helps to clear things up. Once again, no issue with aweber, just like the feeling of "getting a deal"...who doesn't right? :-P

That and the fact that Aweber doesnt allow auto-sign-up to a list with DL Guard but GetResponse does...that I find silly too.

Have a great day all! Thanks for the feedback

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Martha Richardson

14 years ago

The argument that "if you can't make at least blah blah blah" only goes so far, and perhaps would bear more weight if there were not quality alternatives, but there are. Why pay $69/month when another quality service will charge you $20 for similar service?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Barry Richardson

The argument that "if you can't make at least blah blah blah" only goes so far, and perhaps would bear more weight if there were not quality alternatives, but there are. Why pay $69/month when another quality service will charge you $20 for similar service?

Barry

That was my thoughts exactly

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Barry Richardson

The argument that "if you can't make at least blah blah blah" only goes so far, and perhaps would bear more weight if there were not quality alternatives, but there are. Why pay $69/month when another quality service will charge you $20 for similar service?

Barry

I think that's a great point. That sort of thinking is what gets companies in trouble. If you can find a suitable/comparable alternative and spend LESS to get it .... then it would simply be prudent to do so.

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Star69

14 years ago

Are you running an actual business or is it a hobby? Big difference, especially when it comes to tax time and claiming write-offs for business expenses.

I understand your concern, Dexx, but perhaps you should reassess how you are looking at this. Like others have said, if you are running a business, you should have no trouble making more than enough to cover the cost of aweber service.

And imagine what kind of a business we'd have if we didn't have autoresponder services to use. It's a small price to pay for the benefits we get from them.

And what kind of service do you get from either of them. Paying a smaller cost per month may also result in more unsatisfactory service, and the savings vs. the irritation would be negligible.

Hopefully you can transfer your list without losing anyone, but might it be better to leave your list at aweber and not build it larger than 2,500 (to keep the monthly cost at $29) and begin building a new list over at getresponse? You could then see which service you like best and go in that direction.

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Originally Posted by Star69

Are you running an actual business or is it a hobby? Big difference, especially when it comes to tax time and claiming write-offs for business expenses.

Yeah, don't try to cut costs down when you can pay more and write off a little bit of it on your taxes. :rolleyes:

Pay more Dexx so you can have higher write offs. lol
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Michael Oksa

14 years ago

No problem then. If you're looking for a way to keep expenses in check, then that's smart - as long as you don't lose any necessary functionality...go for it!

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Jason G Anderson

14 years ago

It's interesting how GetResponse hide their pricing these days - when I checked a few months ago their pricing was fairly similar to Aweber once you got over 10,000. Now they just say it's the $18 a month up to 10,000, then "The Customer agrees to pay an extra "Expanded Mailing List Usage" fee for every additional 5,000 unique email addresses hosted in their account."

Anyone know what the higher pricing is like now?

Edit: Never mind, finally found it at the bottom of their FAQ - $4.50 per 5,000. Which is pretty good - just well hidden :-)

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Andy Money

14 years ago

Anything above a $1 is ridiculous for an auto responder service. They're making a friggin' killing, it's worse than text messaging. You can build a list with vBulletin and have a 99% delivery rate on your list, might start doing that

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14 years ago

Hi Thomas,

I only mentioned the 'understand' thing because I was responding to -

I don't understand some of the people on here

It seems there are two camps in this thread and I was attempting to speak for one of them

I am only speaking for myself when I point out that I haven't had a dig at Dexx (unless you count the 'pound-foolish' comment).

Overall, when we are talking about a low amount of expense for what can be an absolutely vital piece of equipment used to communicate and sell to your prospects - then I am a little taken aback at some of the comments here, and I have to say that there is a hint of 'scarcity-mindedness' about them.

EG

Anything above a $1 is ridiculous for an auto responder service. They're making a friggin' killing, it's worse than text messaging. You can build a list with vBulletin and have a 99% delivery rate on your list, might start doing that

It's as if no-one even factors into their thinking how much work is involved in maintaining deliverability, with all of the problems that can be experienced.

Either way, I don't have a stake in this discussion. I'm more than happy to have the 'Rolls Royce' of equipment for my business, whatever it is that it does and regardless of what others choose to do. No Skodas for me. I'm a snob. Not for vanity reasons, but for business reasons. If my friends asked me, I'd tell them to adopt the same approach.

Rolls/Skoda

Adwords/Traffic-Exchange

Best Equipment/Happy Taxman

Spend time - Increasing Profits/Cutting Costs

Champagne/White Lightning Cider

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Tom B Banned 14 years ago

I have known Dexx for some time now. The man has invested a lot of money in tools for his business.

He isn't a person that tries to scrape by. I personally think he is just being wise and reducing costs where he can.
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Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Thomas,

I am only speaking for myself when I point out that I haven't had a dig at Dexx (unless you count the 'pound-foolish' comment).

Hi Rog,

No, you didn't have a dig at him. Sorry if I left that impression.

Just because we are talking about $10 doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to cut costs whenever you can. The pricing does increase the larger the list.
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JayXtreme 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Champagne/White Lightning Cider

Where's the violently puking emoticon when ya need it, eh?

That stuff is toxic..

I'm a rolls kinda guy too...
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Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Thomas,

Champagne/White Lightning Cider

etc

Rog, is that type of party you throw in UK?
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Either way, I don't have a stake in this discussion. I'm more than happy to have the 'Rolls Royce' of equipment for my business, whatever it is that it does and regardless of what others choose to do. No Skodas for me. I'm a snob. Not for vanity reasons, but for business reasons. If my friends asked me, I'd tell them to adopt the same approach.

Rolls/Skoda

Adwords/Traffic-Exchange

Best Equipment/Happy Taxman

Spend time - Increasing Profits/Cutting Costs

Champagne/White Lightning Cider

etc

There's poetry in those words.

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DeniseLorraine 14 years ago

I'm wondering what are the pros and cons of buying a script and running your own autoresponder? Can you get accused of spam more easily?

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- Steve Steinitz 14 years ago
  
  Hi Roger,
  
  I enjoy your posts and this one, though I bear the brunt of it, is no exception. Thanks for grudgingly using my name and the word eloquent in the same breath -- it means a lot coming from you.
  
  I actually poured over the thread, looking carefully for tidbits of information. I always do. I found few. I wasn't concerned with your preference of one service over the other, far from it -- just expressing my frustration that, in mailing list threads, people seem to use semantic devices (Rolls, invest in your business) along with grunting (mainly to bolster aweber) rather than offering concrete battle-won information.
  
  I naively believe that once I've married one of the mailing services I will provide real information, warts and all, to seekers. That said, the most tantalizing, but sadly content-less, comments usually come from polygamists who've married both aweber and GetResponse. I grew up in Utah so maybe...
  
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dolcevita 14 years ago

Awebers's salepage and support sucks.
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Don't always focus on price. focus on value.
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- MikeAmbrosio 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by naruq
  
  Don't always focus on price. focus on value.
  
  While I agree with this as an overall strategy, sometimes you need to look at it from price too. For example:
  
  You have a need for a tool or service that does "X,Y and Z" so you research solutions.
  
  You come across "Product 1" and it does everything you need, and nothing more and it costs $30
  
  You also come across "Product 2" that does a LOT more and costs $150. Obviously, with the added bells and whistles, it makes it the better value.
  
  However, if you are 100% sure that you will never use the extra bells and whistles of "Products 2", would you buy it anyway simply because it's the better value?
  
  I don't know about you, but I would choose to save the extra money if I know I will never use the extras.
  
  That's what I think about this debate too. Some people don't want, care or use other tools for tracking - so better value for the buck or not, why choose it when you can save money.
  
  Yes, it starts out cheap, but with my list size, I would be at that $140 - 150 a month mark right now instead of the $40 I pay.
  
  It has very little to do with things like "Well, if you are making more money that shouldn't matter". I find that to be a ridiculous statement when you are running your own business. Bottom line should matter. Shopping for better deals that fit your needs it the smart thing to do.
  
  My opinion...
  
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14 years ago

I use aweber and I love it! I think keeping the cost down it's very important, but come on we are talking about $29, if you know how to get the best profits out of your list, you wouldn't worry about the $29.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Simon74

I use aweber and I love it! I think keeping the cost down it's very important, but come on we are talking about $29, if you know how to get the best profits out of your list, you wouldn't worry about the $29.

Some of you guys are not reading closely. He's not worried about the extra 10 bucks. He's just saying why pay extra if everything you need is available for less.

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Hi Dexx,

Thanks for bringing this up. I'll think about switching in advance before reaching the 500 subscribers mark.
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14 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Either way, I don't have a stake in this discussion. I'm more than happy to have the 'Rolls Royce' of equipment for my business, whatever it is that it does and regardless of what others choose to do. No Skodas for me. I'm a snob. Not for vanity reasons, but for business reasons. If my friends asked me, I'd tell them to adopt the same approach.

Rolls/Skoda

Adwords/Traffic-Exchange

Best Equipment/Happy Taxman

Spend time - Increasing Profits/Cutting Costs

Champagne/White Lightning Cider

etc

Roger,

You'll need to send me your email address. I have a new service launching this month and it will be the "Rolls Royce" of it's kind. And not cheap.

You probably won't need all the bells and whistle, and there is a downgraded membership, but take the big package. Pay more for nothing. It would make me very happy

I am playing whth you, as you know, but IMHO it's fine (and also necessary) to spend time cutting costs in your business. After all, if you cut costs, isn't it likely to increase profits?

And I happen to really dislike champagne. And would never buy it.

And I don't know what a Skoda is - I am assuming some sort of vehicle?
(Nevermind - just Googled it).

Don't get me wrong - I love Aweber. But not enough to triple or quadruple my bill for the "privilege" of having tools available I will never use.

Don't forget, when they announced these new prices, they marketed it on the "great new whiz-bang tools" additions.

Typically, if I don't need something, I won't buy - or overpay - for it. There are exceptions, of course. But this isn't one of them.

Mike

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ADAMw3

14 years ago

I have lists on both aweber and get response, and honestly I prefer get response over Aweber.

Just my take on the whole situation. Choose one and stick with it. They both do their job.

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MikeAmbrosio

14 years ago

With Aweber's new pricing structure, I would now be in the $149 range vs. where I am now (30 or 40, I forget).

I have no need for their tracking tools, as I have been using my own tracking methods for years. So to me, if I were looking to choose, I would NOT choose Aweber for this reason.

Why spend more for stuff you ain't gonna use?

Happily though, I have been with Aweber for about 3 years, am very happy and still on their "cheapskate" plan

What they have done, in essence, is force new users to either use tools they may not want/need, pay WAY more, or go to a competitor. I still don't see why they just don't have a "No Frills" plan. They would still have the customers that abandoned - or would have captured the ones who looked, got sticker shocked and went on to GR.

And Dexx, FWIW, you really should change your subject line. It's harsh from where I sit.

Mike

BTW - If you DO like Aweber, you can always find a Private Label Aweber - the ones I know have not been migrated to the new system and still fall under the old pricing - Prosender.com comes to mind as one (a Mike Filsaime branded A/R )

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Dan Klatt

14 years ago

I appreciate you using the provocative subject line, because I have never quite taken to GetResponse and have been questioning whether it might be worth migrating to Aweber, instead.

There's a good chance your lesson learned the hard way saved me from finding out the hard way myself, as well.

And thanks Mike for pointing out the more attractive pricing for Prosender, which I have heard of and did not look into.

Warmly,
Dan

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Originally Posted by randallj87

Wow. That really sucks.

Adding to the post count I see.

Bad Randall.
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RebeccaL

14 years ago

Considering the outstanding service, tools and overall businses that Aweber provide to us and the unlimited opportunities it creates, they should be charging $129 per month, not $29.

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by RebeccaL

Considering the outstanding service, tools and overall businses that Aweber provide to us and the unlimited opportunities it creates, they should be charging $129 per month, not $29.

I am sure they would be more than happy to accept 129 a month from you. Go ahead and show them how great they are.

I get just as good service from GetResponse. I have used both of them.

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Sean A McAlister

14 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

I hear some people are paying up to $30 a click on adwords. Are they mad? If only they'd used their noddle and done a google search they would have realised that Acme Traffic Blaster System would send them 1 million hits for $6.

Hey Roger....is Traffic Blaster any good? or all junk traffic? Seriously!
BTW ....always love your icons!!!!

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I personally think he is just being wise and reducing costs where he can.

Yea.....kinda like Obama cutting the US Military defense by 10% or 55 Billion.........

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Originally Posted by The IM Reporter

Yea.....kinda like Obama cutting the US Military defense by 10% or 55 Billion.........

Why do we need a military. Everyone loves America.
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Dexx

14 years ago

I can't believe how crazy this thread became heh, it was meant just for me to vent off the top of my head.

Anyway, I updated the thread title and added a blurb to help clear up any confusion.

Thanks for the feedback everyone, its why the Warrior Forum is such an amazing place...the opinions and discussions that take place are beyond priceless!

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humpysmith

14 years ago

This thread is bizzare. I read it end to end thining Dexx was a cheapskate. Then I realised that if you have two firms providing identical service then why go with the most expensive. We're not comparing Rolls Royce vs Skoda here its more like BMW vs Mercedes. The reason the thread is of interest is because I want to start my cash cow business and it involves signing clients up individually to autoresponders and charging them monthly so to a certain extent cost matters.
Must admit though I probably wouldn't change comapny once i'd gotten a list over 500, not unless there were delivery issues.
Everyone here seems to like their Aweber and getresponses services so I'm still unsure which one to go for depsite combing this thread.
Thanks for starting up an interesting chat Dexx.

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14 years ago

Unless I missed a few posts in this thread, I swear there was only ONE mention of delivery rate, which is really the only thing to consider in a service like this. (and that person actually said GR was better)

From what I've read in umpteen forums, Aweber is the king when it comes to delivery rates. If this is not the case, then I'd agree w/ the OP's complaint on the pricing.

The list I use Aweber for isn't big enough to do any valid testing to make my own determination on this, but I'd love to hear from someone with a large list that has any stats on delivery rates from Aweber vs Getresponse.

I just can't see how a service that allows single optin could even compare to Aweber. I tried to run an 'in-house' autoresponder service and 99% of all of my lists were nothing but bots and crap spam email addys. That kind of thing just has to have an effect on delivery rates in the long run.

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Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Doug English

I just can't see how a service that allows single optin could even compare to Aweber. I tried to run an 'in-house' autoresponder service and 99% of all of my lists were nothing but bots and crap spam email addys. That kind of thing just has to have an effect on delivery rates in the long run.

Who said everyone is only using single opt in? I automatically add CUSTOMERS to my lists but double opt in the rest.

The delivery rate has been about the same between the two.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

Who said everyone is only using single opt in? I automatically add CUSTOMERS to my lists but double opt in the rest.

The delivery rate has been about the same between the two.

Never said everyone is using only single opt-in. Just said that GR allows it, and one bad apple is all it takes in some cases. Anyone who has ever made the mistake of using GoBaddy for a host or registrar probably knows this first hand.

If GetResponse can really maintain the same delivery rate as Aweber, then I'd be more than inclined to switch. Like you said in one of your previous posts, why spend more if you don't have to?

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jficarro

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Doug English

Never said everyone is using only single opt-in. Just said that GR allows it, and one bad apple is all it takes in some cases. Anyone who has ever made the mistake of using GoBaddy for a host or registrar probably knows this first hand.

If GetResponse can really maintain the same delivery rate as Aweber, then I'd be more than inclined to switch. Like you said in one of your previous posts, why spend more if you don't have to?

When I signed up for GR there was an option to use single opt-in, but the system had it auto locked so that you couldn't choose it. Maybe this is something they started more recently.

Also, With the auto subscribe features and script that are available... I have avoided them because so many normal computer users don't know how to program their default email client and use gmail or yahoo, etc. so by auto subscribing them, you capture an email that they'll never receive. Let me know if I am incorrect, because in a perfect world, capturing name and email from a click here button would be a Godsend.

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14 years ago

AWeber rebrands itself for 'special' customers, and it looks like their rates are at the old pre-increase Aweber prices.

AutomateYourList Autoresponder & Newsletters: Unlimited Follow Up Autoresponders Increase Email Deliverability. is Michael Rasmussen's. He's currently running a promotion for a 'free' month with pre-written autoresponder messages for clickbank.

ProFollow Autoresponder & Newsletters: Unlimited Follow Up Autoresponders Increase Email Deliverability. is aweber's rebranded autoresponder for Jeff Walker. He just set it up this spring while we were doing our product launch class.

Same service as Aweber, lower pricing structure. Worth taking a look.

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jficarro

14 years ago

Aside from some type of tracking that may or may not be of use... can anyone please tell me exactly what is better about aweber? I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to know. The only thing I've ever heard that was different was when someone said that the aweber user interface was easier.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by jficarro

Aside from some type of tracking that may or may not be of use... can anyone please tell me exactly what is better about aweber? I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to know. The only thing I've ever heard that was different was when someone said that the aweber user interface was easier.

I've tried out GetResponse and AWeber but settled on AWeber
for these specific reasons:

1. Great Support - I've found the support I get from AWeber to
be excellent particularly with anything technical.

2. Trackability - AWeber Analytics allows me to track the response
that my messages are having on my prospects and customers.

This is HUGE.

Look at any top end marketer, and you'll find that they test and
track the response of their subscribers like a maniac.

Sure, the bigger boys may use different systems like InfusionSoft
or EmailLabs etc, but LOOK closely and notice that they're tracking
more than just click through rates.

Why? To get higher ROI and maximize subscriber and visitor value.

3. Great Training - AWeber provide a first class education on
how to use autoresponders effectively and what trends to look
out for that could affect your list building efforts.

4. Ahead of the Curve - As AWeber only provide services
related to autoresponders (including Delivery Monitor), they focus
their expertise and resources on one thing: autoresponders and
have become great at it.

RSS feeds, posting the newsletter to a blog or even Twitter.

I used 1ShoppingCart for a few years back in 2003 because they
did the autoresponder, shopping cart, affiliate scheme, etc all
under one roof. Big mistake on my part: they didn't do any of
them particularly well - too many technologies to master.

5. Easy to Navigate Interface - I just find the interface of AWeber
to be better than that of GetResponse (at least when I tried it out
around 6 months ago).

With AWeber it's a breeze to navigate around the site and it's
clear where to go to access the different functionality.

By the way, with my AWeber account, I can still use single opt-in
for my lists if I choose to do so.

And as for the supposed 'high' pricing of AWeber for larger lists,
get a grip. Start thinking like a business person instead of a skinflint.

For me, the way I utilize AWeber for my lists, the additional
Analytics functionality is worth the additional dollars to me.

Why?

Because I can better target the right message to the right
person instead of sending out a blanket e-mail to all of my
list and alientating those who aren't interested in the message.

Does GetResponse have analytics yet? Not that I know of
though it's in the pipeline.

Does AWeber have analytics? Yep.

Infusionsoft has advanced tracking too but they're $5k to
set-up and prices start from $299/month. There's is an
even more sophisticated system.

Comparing AWeber with GetResponse is not an apples to
apples comparison IMO. Just like comparing AWeber to
Infusionsoft is not an apples to apples comparison.

Before deciding I also took a look at who the pro Internet
Marketers were using at that time: mainly AWeber.

I noticed that GetResponse use a testimonial from Marlon
Sanders on their website and yet he sends his newsletter
to me via AWeber.

Make up your own mind but the reasons I've given above
are the main ones I think that AWeber is a better choice.

Dedicated to your success,

Shaun

P.S. I also use DLGuard as my shopping cart and I've got
it to integrate with AWeber pretty well. Not quite as
seamless as it is with GetResponse - but more than
adequate for my needs.

If someone buys via DLGuard, I've got it set-up to
pre-populate a sign-up form on the thank you page
so all the customer has to do is press the submit button.

So they don't need to re-enter their details - just press
a button to join the list and therefore meet the TOS
of AWeber as the lead is fully trackable.

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Mark Riddle

14 years ago

The main reason I use GetResponse is because of the integration with DLG.

It works for me, and I see no real reason to choose aweber.

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Big Mike75

14 years ago

I've used both services, and really don't have any complaints. At the end of the day all of us in the IM world need list building mechanisms, and the task the house and do it yourself is just not an option for most. Aweber and Getrsponse are the two premier services used by most, and you can't go wrong with either.

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Charann Miller

14 years ago

I think with the potential returns you're going to get, I mean look at the lifetime value of a customer you should be fine. I like Aweber, they're support is fantastic and I always feel comfortable with the double opt in method.

Count your blessings you have 600 subscribers even if you have to pay a little extra, it's worth it.

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mackz

14 years ago

Well, this is certainly an interesting thread, and a healthy debate.

The likes of which I haven't seen since Aweber announced it's new pricing structure, people were up in arms about it swearing they were leaving.

While GetResponse and Aweber are both very good at what they do. Aweber has long been the Uber marketing Gurus autoresponder of choice.

Ok, and the choice of many up and rising IM stars.

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MikeAmbrosio 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mackz

While GetResponse and Aweber are both very good at what they do. Aweber has long been the Uber marketing Gurus autoresponder of choice.

Actually, many of the uber marketers are migrating to integrated services, and one in particular - InfusionSoft.

Not because they don't like Aweber, et.al., but because it offers an all-in-one solution.

I am not in a position to compare things like deliverability, etc. because i have no idea. Just thought I would clarify this one point

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gopaldev

14 years ago

I've been using GetResponse for sometime now and am quite satisfied. I remember that the price difference between it and AWeber was the deciding factor for me choosing the former. They seem to function in quite the same way so for those who can afford it AWeber must be awesome...hehehe G

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Larry_Horne

14 years ago

All the discussion has not looked at any other options, only Aweber or GetResponse.

Has anyone used services like, Ultimate Marketing Center, that includes autoresponder services?

I'd like to know how they compare.

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Bruce Hearder

14 years ago

Here's a couple of the Awber private label sites, that still have the old pricing and the old limits (much higher than Aweber current has), worth checking out:

1. http://www.turboautoresponders.com
2. http://www.autorespondergenerator.com
3. http://www.asianbrainfollowup.com
4. http://www.profollow.com

I am not affiliated with any any of the above, this is just the ones I found with a quick Google Search..

Hope this helps, someone

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TimP

14 years ago

This has been a great thread for me because I have to chose one of these services within the next two weeks.

From what I have read, it seems like many people are saying that the services are mostly the same, with aweber having an edge in analytics. Can someone explain why the aweber analytics are better?

When I chose a service, price will matter, but what matters more is who I will be happier with in the long run.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by TimP

From what I have read, it seems like many people are saying that the services are mostly the same, with aweber having an edge in analytics. Can someone explain why the aweber analytics are better?

As I understand it, Aweber have analytics and GetResponse
do not.

Here's why analytics functionality is important for me as a
marketer:

1. Monitor Individual Subscriber Actions

If you have say 1000 subscribers on your list and you send
out an e-mail with a link to your offer.

From your your webstats you find you generate say 200
unique visitors to your salespage via your newsletter.

Wouldn't it be great to know WHICH subscribers - by name
and e-mail address - clicked on your link and went to view
your offer?

With analytics you can. Without it you can't!

2. Focus on the Action Takers (e.g. Clickers)

If they clicked on your trackable link, they were at least
interested enough in your offer to look and see right?

If they don't buy your offer, you can then follow-up with
only those who clicked through to see the offer.

For example, in December of last year I released a product
internally to my list.

With AWeber Analytics, I was able to specifically see which
subscribers were interested enough to go and view the
salespage.

For those who didn't buy, I was then able to send out
another e-mail - to them only (not my whole list) - and
prompt them to take another look.

I said something along the lines of:

Hi Bob,

I hope you're keeping well.

I just performed a search of my AWeber database and
according to their analytics functionality, you clicked
on the link to view the release page at:

[URL here]

This tells me that you were at least curious to see what
[Product Name] is all about.

For whatever reason, you didn't get the program at that
time and that's fine.

I just wanted to e-mail you to let you know that...

This is a highly focused message that ties in with the
actual behavior of the subscriber.

3. Modify the Message for Non-Clickers

And with the 800 who didn't click on your link? - there are
a multitude of reasons for them not clicking. One is that
they're simply not interested enough in that particular
message.

So either change your message to one that may interest
them OR don't send them another message and use up
their mental bandwidth unnecessarily.

Without analytics functionality, you don't know which
subscribers are clicking and who aren't clicking so you
either send out the message to ALL of your subscribers
- or none of them. Not good.

People are individuals and respond better to messages
written to their needs and situation.

4. Optimize the Sales Process

Apart from just tracking clicks by individual subscribers,
with AWeber Analytics you can also track subscribers
and see which pages of your website they go to.

All you need to do is to add a little bit of Javascript to
the page you want to track, and then AWeber does the
rest.

So, now you can do a search with AWeber to see which
subscribers visited a particular page on your site.

Without analytics you don't really know who's taking
action on your list and who isn't so you're not able to
send them highly relevant messages based on their
past behavior.

5. Build the Relationship

An essential part of list building is developing the
relationship with your subscribers.

Ideally, what you want is for your subscribers to know
that you understand them and send them messages
that are highly relevant - to THEM.

Analytics allows you to do this.

If you send out mildly relevant - or worse - irrelevant
e-mails this will be detrimental to the relationship with
your subscribers and your response will decrease.

Without analytics, you're effectively doing away with
some very valuable market intelligence that can allow
you to send highly relevant messages to your subscribers.

With autoresponders, you're in the DIRECT RESPONSE
business.

So the better you know and can measure the response
that your e-mails are generating (or not!), the better
you can adjust your campaigns and get better results.

Hence, analytics for me is an essential and not optional.

I hope this clarifies some of the benefits of having the
analytics functionality and the downsides of not having
it.

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MarkoD

14 years ago

Well if you only checked their TOS you'd know that before being charged. But heck, it's a few bucks more.

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GlenHopkins

14 years ago

One way to get your prices down with Aweber is to deleteremove all your unsubscribes.

Otherwise, Aweber will count them as "Subscribers" and charge you accordingly.

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tanya7zhou

14 years ago

Holy Smoke!!!! What's going on here? First, if you want to reduce your cost while enjoying top notch quality, then YES go with GetResponse. If you have a list and are already making good money from your list then stay with Aweber. These two companies are good. This is not like comparing Aweber from Norabots.

Those guys who are talking about paying more for their subscribers, if you want to pay more, go with InfusionSoft.....Period. If that makes your mindset or consciousness feel first class.

There shouldn't be an arguments here. Aweber & Getresponse they are both good.

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Bruce Hearder

14 years ago

Originally Posted by tanya7zhou

Those guys who are talking about paying more for their subscribers, if you want to pay more, go with InfusionSoft.....Period. If that makes your mindset or consciousness feel first class.

You can't compare Infusion with Aweber or GetResponse at all!
Its like comparing apples to oranges, or in a more computer related concept, Aweber & GetRespnse is like DOS 3, where Infusion is the latest release of Ubuntu. Yes both can run a computer, but thats where the simularity ends..

Infusion is a fully featured CRM system with highly advanced marketing abilities (as used by people like Yanick Silver, Dan Kennedy, Stompernet, Perry Marshall) where as Aweber and GR or nothing but autoresponders, that it..

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wealth2moms 14 years ago

Hi,

I have been with Aweber for years and still spend the $19 per month. I was under the impression that I would still be under their old plan. That I would not be charged the extra money per month like their structure is setup today.

It seems like people are saying if you go 501 - 2,500, that I will now be charged $29? I know there was a discussion many months ago that we were not going to be part of the new structure plan if we were already paying $19?

Just checking.

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14 years ago

This is a very interesting and timely thread as I am debating which (GR/AW) to go with for my new product.

One question I'll pose is...what is the downside of starting with AWeber and switching to GetResponse if it gets too expensive and the ROI is too low?

From what I've read on here, all it takes is sending an export of your list to GR and they'll upload it, no need to re-optin your list.

Would that not be a smart approach?

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Haltingpoint

This is a very interesting and timely thread as I am debating which (GR/AW) to go with for my new product.

One question I'll pose is...what is the downside of starting with AWeber and switching to GetResponse if it gets too expensive and the ROI is too low?

From what I've read on here, all it takes is sending an export of your list to GR and they'll upload it, no need to re-optin your list.

Would that not be a smart approach?

Starting off with one AR service and then moving onto another
one later doesn't make sense to me - even if you can import
100% of your subscribers.

Why?

Because you'll have to back track all of your sites, create new
sign-up forms for them, insert new code, etc.

Plus, you'll also need to learn the user interface of a new AR
provider too. I want to minimize the number of learning curves
I need to go through.

I prefer to go into depth and learn one AR system inside and
out and maximize it's capabilities.

A few years ago I moved my lists from 1ShoppingCart because
their service and deliverability fell through the floor and their
customer service slackened off too. It was a pain and one I
wouldn't voluntarily go through again.

If you learn how to utilize autoresponders effectively, then
the cost of the autoresponder service, even at $149/mth
for 10,001-25,000 subscribers should be insignificant.

Focus on what you want rather than what you don't want.

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14 years ago

I recommend jvlistpro. They are a private label of aweber with much better pricing.

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Steve Steinitz

14 years ago

Hello,

To the few muted voices asking for details from the aweber faithful about reasons for their passion or reasons they have eschewed GetResponse, don't hold your breath. With the lone exception of Shaun OReilly's intelligent posts you'll only get guttural grunts of allegience and patronizing belittlements about concerns over spending money unnecessarily. As if unnecessary spending weren't among the top concerns of many great businessmen.

And so it always is with mailing list threads.

And to the aweber fans who like to compare the apple of their eye with Rolls Royce, please tell us why (something besides 'nice interface' or vague mention of analytics, I beg you). I won't hold my breath.

But the most disturbing logic to date, and so seductive that it nearly sucked me in until I slapped myself, is that one should start with aweber because its easier to migrate to other services -- i.e. start with an uncooperative service because you can more easily migrate later to more amenable services. Sigh. Who would have foreseen high irony in mailing service choice.

Steve

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ExRat

14 years ago

Hi Steve,

And to the aweber fans who like to compare the apple of their eye with Rolls Royce, please tell us why (something besides 'nice interface' or vague mention of analytics, I beg you). I won't hold my breath.

If you bothered to actually read the posts rather than cherry-picking words like 'Rolls Royce' and placing your own choice of words and meanings around them, you'd see that I have no preference for either service, and I was simply commenting on a title (now been changed) that said 'screw aweber', an OP that said $10 per month was a steep increase that required a change of autoresponder.

Eloquent rant, but unfortunately aimed at some imaginary Aweber fan.

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Houcem Rihane

14 years ago

I totally agree with Shaun,
For me, the analytics alone justify the difference.
The profit margin in this business is based on the optimization of the processes.
If you want to optimize, then you must have statistics to work on, the more detailed the statistics the easier the optimization.
This is what make the difference between IMers in terms of profits.

If this is not your way, then there is no difference between Aweber and Getresponse...exept the pricing.==> Go for the cheapest service.

my humble opinion.
Houcem

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Steve Steinitz 14 years ago

Shaun,

Thanks for taking the time to hint at the scope of the aweber's analytics.

Wow.

Its exciting to think of being able to understand one's subscribers down to that level and to be able to selectively communicate with them based on their atomic actions or collections of actions. Each of the features you chose to describe has its own special usefulness which you made very clear.

Tracking subscribers' visits to your web pages may not turn out to be the most useful analytic of the bunch but, man, what a cool concept.

Its hard to believe aweber can offer so much power for the price.

I may soon be an aweber grunter

I wish GetResponse's promised analytics were less of an unknown.

Thanks again,

Steve

ps. Having just finished reading Wunderman's Being Direct, your statements about Direct Response and measurement resonate.
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Trieu

14 years ago

I just want to make sure. $19 for 500 subscribers. Is that for 1 list with unlimited autoresponders included?

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Haltingpoint 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Teo

I just want to make sure. $19 for 500 subscribers. Is that for 1 list with unlimited autoresponders included?

That's a good question. Are you able to create many lists for that first tier? Like if I sell multiple products with different lists, or want to segment my lists based on what peoples interests are?

Also, Steve, the reason I had posed that question is because while I would find value in the analytics of AW, it would be comforting to know that it was easy to switch to GR if I had buyers remorse. Yes, there is some hassle involved, but it does not nearly begin to describe the value that would be lost if I had to get my list to re-subscribe.

I think I'll end up with AWeber based on the power of their analytics but I like to always have a contingency plan, and thus the ability to port my data over plays a part in my decision. Hope that explains the bizareness of my question, although I'm flattered that you found it seductive
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sheffie

14 years ago

Getresponse's CEO is making history with his another product, webprosperity.
Anyone heard of that?

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Haltingpoint 14 years ago

Originally Posted by sheffie

Getresponse's CEO is making history with his another product, webprosperity.
Anyone heard of that?

No, but it looks like more MLM crap. And if you start putting it in your sig after you get enough posts I'll be sure to link back to this one to call you on it.
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Bigsofty

14 years ago

For some lists it isn't cost effective to go with GR let alone AW.

My own list is purely to let people know when there's a new version of my software. I don't pimp other people's products as an affiliate, I don't upsell because 90% buy my upsell at the checkout and the remainder wouldn't buy it anyway. I prefer to focus on what I do basically.

Should I pay $29 every month just to tell people about once every 10 months or so that there's a free update?

For me my own script on my own server makes more sense. If I were to crank it up a notch I'd go for GR. Only if my business WAS my list would I consider AW and then I'd need some kind of verification they were making more sales for me.

I hear a lot about deliverability but I once sent out a simple survey in exchange for a free gift to 1500 people and got 1450+ replies, so I can't say I'm entirely convinced. After all, I check my spam folder and I guess others do too, while being in the IN folder is no guarantee of avoiding instant deletion or being marked as spam anyway if you've already irritated people.

I've recently unsubscribed from a number of lists that seem hellbent on sending nothing but affiliate "recommendations" from their close and trusted guru buddies who make 6 figures in their jimjams before breakfast and want to tell me how - but I must be quick! Yawn.

Sending quality mail from GR or spammy junk from AW will kick AW's ass every time. Spending more for no reason strikes me as a reversed version of blaming your tools, or in this case buying hope. Concentrate more on the PEOPLE on the list rather than the delivery method.

B.

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scorpions84

14 years ago

I'm not an "extra" features fanatic. As long as the basic work can be done(subscribers can receive emails, tracking, etc), I'm ok with it.

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Mark Riddle

14 years ago

Are you looking for something to fit
or looking for a match?

To me that is the key question.

If you are looking for something that fits, one compares the benefits and features of the services.

However, if you are looking for a match, you start with looking at the things that you require.

Things that you want and things that you would like to have.

As you go through these lists, anything outside of you match list isn't part of the mix.

It could be web services, or washing machines or even marketing forums.

Sometimes all you need is something to fit, and other times you need something that is a match.

Mark

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Alex Sol

14 years ago

Yes, Aweber surprised me with their price change as well.
My limit on Aweber is 10,000 opt-ins but I only pay $29/month for it ($19?)...
I guess I signed up right before they increased the price... I still have 7,000 more to go to reach the limit

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Dan Foley 14 years ago

Dexx asked a serious question and a bunch of "warriors" jumped all over him with sarcastic replies like "if you can't make at least $600 a month" and "its your business and if you can't see the value". It reminds me of a bunch of bullies in a school yard.

How about being helpful to Dexx instead of ganging up on him.

I hope this isn't the direction that the Warrior Forum is heading toward.
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Virtual Banker

14 years ago

Can someone point me to a link or thread that does an educated side by side comparison of AW and GR?

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I never realized how much more Aweber was vs GetResponse

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